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The info hack is so much more useful than the evade one, you can play as jungler every game and invade the other guy knowing his camp's HP, his smite and flash CD and also QWER CD. Perfect information is way more frustrating than dodging something or cleansing Ashe R on the spot, something like that.

I think the Draven walking under turret is because the script prioritized catching the axe

As someone who also plays Apex and CS:GO, can confirm that Riot is by far the best at minimalizing the number of cheaters I regularly run into in-game. It's been months since I played against someone in League who I legitimately felt like was scripting

as other comments noted - Xerath ult, Jhin ult, Galio ult, etc. all manipulate the camera perspective, so it would be very easy to reverse engineer that after loading up practice mode. also it's basically impossible to prevent such a cheat because client side you have all info available, and even if the game had completely fixed camera perspective you would be able to change it since you can change anything in memory. (client side info has to exist otherwise your visuals would lag by full ping time every time you moved camera)

Man I want to see him watch this with a developer so bad, it would be so fascinating to hear their thoughts on this. Please make it happen

6:46 looks like the script prioritized picking up the axe over avoiding turret aggro

would love to see an inhouse 5v5 where everyone has scripts

I've played against scripters before, and the funny thing is they "stun" themselves when casting, so you cast at the same time they do and you'll hit them. Since the scripter has to cast manually, and they make horrible decisions, this makes them somewhat beatable.

To be honest, I would have preferred a longer video (even with a mid-roll ad) that let us see some of the things Doublelift was reacting to. Felt like I was missing out on a lot

I'm now kind of curious as to what a match between 10 pro players, all using this kind of script, would look like. Would be interesting to see how they all react to knowing their lane opponents ability, ulti, and summoner cooldowns.

Anyone with a moderate amount of game sense and actual talent would be damn near impossible with these things.6 years and these fuckers can still do it but as dl said to find a scripter is a rare thing so to riots credit they are on it

It was recently talked about in Leaguecast, but it's crazy how much information you can get from a script or overlay that is also just game knowledge. Where is the line before it is cheating? Technically if you look at their runes and stats, you could memorise or otherwise calculate every cd in the game. If you make that information easy to access, it removes more of the game knowledge requirement and turns it into game sense requirement. How much can you actually use the information you have? We can clearly see here all the info being processed for this player and still their lack of game sense gets them killed several times and they make several bad plays.

It's like league of legends with world of warcraft addons

To answer the camera question, my assumption is that the birds-eye-view cam used in LCS is in the main games program somewhere

Here in Brazil we had like a wave of ppl getting banned cause a lot of scripters were getting into GM/Challenger elo and nothing was happening... You said Riot does a good job... it can be true on NA, but here it took a long ass time for that to happen. It even happened cause we have a challenger rioter and he started getting scripters in his queue, so he banned them himself... otherwise I dont know if they would get banned that quickly LOL. Nice video though :D

Honestly whoever programmed all of this is a genius, it’s the most impressive multi I’ve seen from any game

"Lol ha no cheaters" Meanwhile, all the plat/diamond smurfing soloque in bronze for money: hold my elo

The thing with scripters is that they don't care that their macro and game understanding is bad. Just the "mechanics" they get from scripts can get them to like Dimond which is enough so they can sell the account

4:00 I had this happen when i was younger, i used a xray resource pack on minecraft to find diamonds. The example is silly but It's information overload really. He has so much info that he is disconnected from the game itself, like seeing yourself play in third person. So he loses sense of time and movespeed etc, prompting him to do a move because he "knows" where the jungler is, but he stops thinking further because his senses are overloaded, and fails to realise that the jungler can actually cut him off and kill him. I don't know if people understand that feeling of seeing yourself playing in third person, feeling disconnected from your actions, you actually put yourself in a haze to block off the excess info but you can't chose which one goes through, so gamesense stops at a base level, like say "oh the jungler is botside doing his camps, i know he is there" is stopped from branching into "he can actually walk from his wolves to the blue and prevent me from going away if i try to go behind the bot tower.

The maxed out camera must be emulating a huge screen. The higher the resolution, the wider the view on LoL

honestly a full scripting custom game could be fun to watch

To shortly explain the spectator cam thing. So long as these scripts are running something that is allowed within the parameters of the game, the game doesn't necessarily detect it instantly. That's how a lot of scripts/cheats in Rainbow Six work as well. They basically allow a player to have a game mechanic that wouldn't otherwise be possible be running. Like, cheaters used to use aimbot in combination with where the spectator would spawn during a custom match to become superman, get basically against the skybox, and use their aimbot to kill all players on your team off rip

It's probably why there aren't so many cheaters in league 1)skillshots are only one acpect of the skill 2)you can't cheat gamesense 3)cheats tend to overdodge

@2:15 “there’s basically no cheating” that aged well lol

The info is not unavailable. It comes in raw format and gets modified by your client according to your team an location. (fog of war and all that ). Scripts just feed you the raw info and draws it on the screen. 1 thing I noticed a few seasons back when I got constant disconnects were moments where I had +900 ping spikes and could see enemies shuffle out of fog of far. As if my client already had info on them coming out of there eventho my internet was obviously unstable and the attempting to reconnect had appeared

Riot is probably going to create a champion so overloaded that it actually has built in scripts like this

The reason there are fewer cheaters in league is because it doesn't really help. If you're playing games like PUBG or CS:GO then aimbots can basically win you the game, add in wallhacks and constant vision/outlines of the enemy players and it's just freelo. In league you can aimbot with characters like Xerath and gain a ton of extra knowledge with the timers and stuff but you as the player still have to make the correct decisions based on that knowledge. The other thing that is completely being missed here is the amount of wintrading, which just skips the need for cheating or even the need to play well.

THE RARITY of SCRIPTERS in League is no more in this Season. in Smurf Q every secound game AT LEAST there are 1-3 scripters. Any high elo player can tell that, myself detect scripters by movement in literlly 3secounds. ALSO i know for a fact that before recent Banwave, 2/5 or AT LEAST 1/5 of Master - Challenger on EUW were scripting. A couple did it OBVIOUSLY the most just used the info they got from it. Because scripts are kinda far developed, as far as i know is that they ONLY get BANNED manually. So if a rioter looks into the account and CANT detect ANYTHING The account remains EVEN if everyone knows that guy is scripting by his Gameplay.

You can still see how much dmg enemy ability is doing, so the script can count it and probably predict what skills person have taken

7:26 If someone wants to know what the scripter wrote with "slowdctim" in the dm. ( its just casual talking) they wrote: slowdctim: at the moment he/it is cold (maybe food, maybe a person, could be anything. I dont know the context). scripter: ok good. he: yes, i hope it stays like that. I am playing in a moment. going to go get groceries now scripter: ok he: see you later, tell me when u are finished (finished with the stream/games i suppose)

This only confirms my belief that the creators of this game also create cheats for it and sell them. So much work has been put into these programs, they are so easy to find, and yet no one even tries to do anything about it or punish those who use such things. Even the appearance can be changed during the game AND NO ONE CAN SEE ANYTHING! You report a player that the robot plays for, your application is considered by a robot, and the low ranks are filled with robots playing for humans. Nothing suspicious is happening there.

The information scraping is fairly easy - the script calculates XP range by going off of public information, and within that range if a minion dies then the XP is tracked for those within range. It's pretty simple really, as a human you could do this too if you had eyes on mid all game and did the calculations yourself. The script just does this for you so you can focus on your own lane like a human would.

1:17 in most of game u can zoom out with just graphic engine, devs just lock in in `1optimal` fov

For those wondering, these programs are checked for when you're loading into the game - so it doesn't matter if you just want to use it in the training room, you'll still get banned for it if it's detected.

Scripting in league is huge. You don't notice it as much as in other games because you need game sense as well. You just can't install a script and instantly get to challenger without any game knowledge. In a fps game for example is different because even if you don't know anything about the game, the map, types of weapons, etc., you just need to right click on people and shoot.

Someone else from germany heard "Neymar" by Capital Bra xD. Nostalgic song but weird to hear it in an US league stream

Camera zoom is just a variable that can be changed by a pointer...

There is actually so many ways to use scripts that are completely unnoticable. Like just using a cs cheat. Or just one that tracks flash. You could do so much with just a tiny bit of extra info that would never be noticed by anyone

I imagine the zoomed out thing might come around by the way some ultimates work, like Jhin and Xerath ult as an example

I would love to see a pro level player play with these scripts. They'd do so much more for a better player and I would love to see how that played out.

DL being intrigued by this is like Joe Rogan looking at videos of UFO's recorded by the US Navy.

Gotta say seeing the camera zoomed out like that just makes me wish it was an actual option. I hate how you have to have the camera so zoomed in all the time

The funny thing is even csgo pros who play legit used to mess with cheats just to learn the game. Some coach even said he used to usewall hacks in custom games to learn wall bangs and stuff

You haven't seen this before? I'm sure if he holds spacebar he has auto csing. Classic hacks and they look better but haven't changed much. Insane that people still do this.

But how can you say that there are so little cheaters in League when there is NO way to find out if someone is cheating if they don't have evade and movement prediction on? Like the ability information alone is so op for lane.

It's like giving a normal person a nascar, they'd just slam it into a wall.

we need a league match where its league's version of open ai team vs teams like edg and etc and see just how much it shit stomps them like it did the dota 2 champs

Why scripts suck in League is simple. 1. Script isn't going to place position you correctly in team fights. 2. It's not going to tell you to group or go bot for dragons. 3. League 24/7 is being updated every 2 weeks, a minor update could completely crash the script or make it detectable. What's worse than Scripts? Plat 4 players who afk / Grief over 1 death.

Honestly the zoomed out camera should already be in game so you get no disadvantage when playing top side.

one year later and the "no cheaters in league" line doesnt hold up. riot is cashing out ggs

The point and click line is to tell you if some1 is coming to your lane from fog of war, I learnt against scripters if i want to gank them you have to click wayyyyyyy behind them and they will get confused

Still less addons then the average world of warcraft retail player

As someone who tested scripts in LoL I can confirm these scripts suck probably some free ones

The zoomed out camera is the spectator camera. It's in the game because of pro-play. Some people are referencing the zoom out for certain abilities, but...even without those abilities, this function would still be in the game. It's just not normally accessible to players. At the end of the day, Camera zoom is just another variable that can be manipulated when you directly modify memory, it's not hard-coded. Also, you're wrong DL. There are a lot more scripters in league than you think there are...they just aren't in the higher ELOs. The sheer number of people who play in Bronze and Silver ELO and can land every single abillity at maximum distance because they use these drawing scripts is insane. Also, to answer the question...Yes, all of this information is available to the game client. If it wasn't, none of your abilities would ever hit anything. All this script really is, is a GUI for client information, and in some cases, useful interpretations of that information. If it makes it any clearer, you can think of these scripts like the GUI riot implemented for execute abilities. The graphic that lets you know that your cho`gath ult will kill someone, that your pike ult will kill someone, etc. Those graphics work identically do how these scripts work.

6:12 its called reading the Memory, in RAM thats what any game bot usually does. thats what cheat engine is, a ram manipulator

The Mouse click is actually for the script to detect the distance of mouse from sidestepping depending on the distance of the mouse location while walking and sidestepping distance

I think it'd be funny to see another Pro vs. series but this time it's doublelift scripting in a 1v5

This really makes me wonder if it was worth it for the person who made this because seeing how advanced this shit is it must've taken shit ton of time.

How can he say he never saw within the game the camera zoomed out that much? You get that every time with jhin or Xerath R... Regardless, the cheat obviously changes client information and so it can set the camera at whatever zoom lvl desired. The cheat also reads the client data overseeing the entire map to keep track of summoners. As for the skill levels it is just an extrapolation based on the champ items and how much damage it did when using the ability. The cheat does not know what is happening in the fog of war either as that information is not available to the client but it does some guess work. In general there is a serious overload of useless information like ability ranges and movement directions, any player worth their salt knows the ranges by heart. But there are some nice things that the cheat does have that I would like to use like: modified minion hp bar, summoner spell cooldowns and the zoomed out camera.

The bots in low elo that are either boosting or trolling to int ranked games is so high.

I once scripted in League back in 2016, the huge amount of information on screen only is dumb. This player can just toggle off what is unecessary and just focus on normal gameplay while having skill shots direction. There is also a huge flaw in scripting, every melee champions are most not affected by most of the scripting stuff because they mostly have target ability. The only thing that puts them in disadvantage is that you are always revealed on screen thats it.

We can thank blitz and other third parties being allowed. These scripts apparently work on the same loophole that these programs work, it isn't a cheat infused in the game, it's almost an overlay.

the screen being zoomed out i think its because it's on a ultra wide monitor like a 34 inche curved one because mine i can zoom out that much it adds like an extra 20% map

I think the reason league has so few hacks is because of how little mechanics actually plays a role in the game. The main reason I still play league is because it’s one of the few fighting games that is hardly based on mechanics. Every fps game relies on being accurate with a gun to be good, which can easily be scripted. But there is no hack to tell you that stacking dragons is more beneficial to your team than ganking top, there is no hack to stop your team from feeding, there is no hack that can tell you to freeze the wave to punish your lane opponents, or hacks that tell you to push when they roam or to match their roam, all of it is based on game knowledge and it’s one of the few things that I think makes league so addictive. If you become a boomer and lose your mechanical skills, you’re by no means a bad player, if anything you evolve into a more well rounded player

I think he walked under turret to get draven's spinning axe. And then the long flash was probably because of the change in delay. I think it could be much stronger with he right settings.

A friend of mine uses this script on hacked accounts. This script needs a monthly subscription and they even have champion specific scripts. Sad part is, the only way to get detected, is if someone submits a ticket on riot support page. Reports in the client DO NOT work.

The yasuo eq exploit is from a camera bug patched ages ago that can still be used with the script, it allows no cd at all which is 10x worse than it sounds.. the reason i know this is even in silver you still run into things like this.. i guess higher elo gameplay gets monitored more for cheats or something?

Man just change the pitch slightly to avoid copyright this sound beyond scuffed lol

The weird movements its because of the "Evade", scripts does that but sometimes its better to take a soraka q before walking into turret, so the scritp kinda made it so he was getting funneled into a melee range fight

This is like the age-old argument about WoW addons. There's stuff that, in theory, should just be visible to the player, like exact cooldowns on teammate's ults/summs or jungle buff respawn timers for camps your team has killed, since these timers are spam pinged repeatedly anyway. The flipside is that there is some "skill" to communicating and memorizing that would be removed, although let's be honest most people /mute all and don't communicate due to the toxicity.

2:29 the reason why league has "no cheaters" is because everything in the game is server sided, cheats in other games happen because parts of the game are done on the client's side, anything that is client-sided can be changed. So it's not Riot being "good" at what they do, it's just how the communication between Client - Server is designed. Other games need to have sections done client-side because lag is a lot more apparent, in League because of how the movement system works, it's hard to tell whether your action has a 2ms delay (because of the time it takes to travel to server, server to process, and return if the action is valid) but in other games, like first person shooters, a 2ms delay on pressing W is a lot more apparent and would feel unplayable - in this case the movement would be done client-side and would be prone to cheating. Edit: The "2ms delay" was an estimate :)

the camera doesnt work like that, the way you zoom out is to force the game to use a camera mode only available at certain times, and since for example on xerath r the camera zooms out, you can force the game to use that camera mode all the time

I think scripts are a lot more prevalent than people realize, I play in GM NA, these people will do anything to get the slightest advantage, if you buy scripts you don't have to go ham with it and make it obvious to get banned, many will just turn them on in dire situations when, dodging that extra 2-3 skillshots could win you the game and will never get caught.

Maybe it's too much info for the script to calculate correctly due to those unneded inputs. Maybe it's just a bad script despite looking complex. As you said, too much info seemingly.

Didn't someone do exactly that? Found a script, fucked around, then got perma banned.

I saw the part about being able to change skins and almost went to try and find this thing for download. I've been wanting Riot to add a clientside feature where you can make everybody default skin for years now, simply because on alot of the newer skins its so hard to tell whats going on. So many inconsistencies with hitboxes, shit that doesn't look like the ability its supposed to be, stuff with wacky colors and particle effects that in a teamfight turns into a seizure on your monitor. CLEARLY it can be done LOL. Riot games stays the worst company in gaming.

*TL;DR:* It's not that Riot is good at anti-cheat (they are not). MOBAs just don't need anti-cheat like other genres do. Cheating in League is hard because it's nearly completely server-sided. That's why your movement is always delayed, it waits for the server to acknowledge. You can't expect an FPS shooter to wait for server acknowledgement to move, that would be nauseating and impossible to play. Try playing with 25 MS delay on your mouse or keyboard inputs. Shooters also do ping compensation. Who shot who first? You technically can't know that because people have different pings. Technically they might have shot each other both first, but according to the server, the one with the better connection wins. League doesn't have this disadvantage, because it doesn't have to deal with ping. There is no interpolation between client and the server.

I'd love to see an actual otp with only the info scripts on, none of the auto play features. Like if I didn't have to use 1/3 of my attention to track enemy CC the game would be WAY easier as a Kat main.

you would've thought he isnt scripting if he didnt show it. That's why ppl think there is little scripters

added on, it's harder to cheat in league because you have to build items. You don't do enough damage at the beginning so you have to rely heavily on game sense if you want to get fed. Most trades in lane is being hyper aware of your enemy, your positioning, and how much you can do without them killing you. So it's only reliable if you have good game sense as well, and not as simple as cheaters in other games.

The script is basically code added to the current game code, in the code they can have assumptions, for example, the tracking in 3:37, we know that LB W range is 600 (from the league fandom page), the code assumes where the landing of that w will be (600px towards the cursor, for example) the moment LB presses w. Really it's simple, just some code :D

I think he was actually completely minion blocked at the turret

They should just add the info features from this script to the official practice tool.

doublelift asking the real questions how am i going to change my angle

The catch about cheaters in league is that the ones only using info scripts never get reported. So how could you really tell if cheaters have influenced games longer than you think.

that just looks like my friends screen, 49 inch

Doublelifts mindset I bet is how a lot of people get into scripting they kinda just want to mess around with it and have fun and wouldn’t use it it a real game. Then they realize how easy it is and one normal can’t hurt and then another and then all of the sudden you’re banned for using it in ranked

6:27 He walked under turret, caus his script made him pick up his q, and the script just ignored the turret

1:10 i have a bad PC, and sometimes in 2v2arena, when the cam zooms in at the start of a round, i get lag and the cam stays like it for the whole round, even if i die

True. Riot deserve credit for the lack of hackers in-game.

any movable camerca can zoom hack in any game. because you have a zoom in and out option in league. normally it is locked to a max, this probably just overrides the max

this is like league of legends version of cyburpunk dystopia

"Riot does such a good job with cheaters, you barely see a cheater, take a look at PUBG, CSGO, Apex, Call of Duty". Oh wait, those are all shooting based. Cheating in leage doesn't bring you that much unless the whole team is cheating.

5-0 vs scripters in the past 2 weeks keeping d1 / low masters streets clean 😎

A rough estimate version of this would be Fakers FOV

I dont know if the editor reads these commits but how you get your screen to be so high up so you can see so much more is a vr setting. So if you play with a vr headset it will pull the cam way out so you can see so much more. Obviously the scripter isnt playing with a vr headset but its prob a setting that got turned on.

"Riot is doing a great Job there is no Cheating in this game" this sentence aged so badly

its funny the song that was playing was "better now"

when i played with a 49in super ultrawide 32:9 samsung monitor you go to nvidia control panel and make a new resolution and leauge picks it up as a usable resolution and you can see so much more it might be the same for how zoomed out it is for him

i can confirm, played like couple of days with scripts and honestly preferred the normal way. There are so many things I would do different than the script and it would prob end up better , ok not the super amazing dodges and stuff, bt honestly without the script overall I felt normally I played like 15% better.