Frank definitely wasn’t going to kill the old guy. He doesn’t kill people who don’t deserve it. He definitely wasn’t going to kill him when he found out he was a Marine.
Yeah, I think he legitimately was purposely putting on an act with the gun because he had already picked up on the fact that Matt had some kind of enhanced senses. You could see he was genuinely surprised after the old guy showed up when Matt had heard him from so far away, and he also saw Matt suffering heavily from having his senses disoriented at the end of their prior fight.
I really appreciate that the show allows both the Punisher and Daredevil to make genuinely valid points re: their views on killing/not killing. Neither one is painted as completely right or completely wrong, and while the show ultimately leans more in Matt's direction, it doesn't stack the deck against Punisher to make him seem totally unreasonable (which would've been an easy copout).
"You hit them and they get up, I hit them and they stay down" The argument has been made similarly with Batman and the revolving door of Arkham. One of the most profound lines from one of the story arcs I despise with batman still hit hard when batman grabs Joker and says that he has to think of all the people he "Murdered" by letting Joker live. What's the right thing to do in the face of all these repeat murderers?
@@nahlannentrela5376 _"The argument has been made similarly with Batman and the revolving door of Arkham."_ The revolving door at Arkham that exists since we the audience _want_ the popular villains to pop back out to fight Batman over and over because of the gladiator arena nature of the superhero comic book, that revolving door at Arkham? :-) _"One of the most profound lines from one of the story arcs I despise with batman still hit hard when batman grabs Joker and says that he has to think of all the people he "Murdered" by letting Joker live."_ That is not really profound since it isn't just billionaire Bruce Wayne letting the Joker live, there's also Commissioner Gordon and all his policemen, the courts and the staff at Arkham and pretty much anyone in Gotham City that can use a sniper rifle (e.g. the widow of someone the Joker has killed) and then there's people like Superman, The Flash, John Constantine, etc. Why does the blood of the Joker's victims stain billionaire Bruce Wayne's hands but not theirs? _"What's the right thing to do in the face of all these repeat murderers?"_ That's a trick question for two reasons: 1. There is never a "the right thing" to do, or a "the wrong thing to do". 2. "Murder" is a myth.
A better word for the Punisher is uncompromising. He believes what he's doing is necessary, and is not satisfied with Matt's approach, which he sees as insufficient to address the problem. He also only targets those he feels deserve it; he didn't bother the mugger in the pawn shop because it wasn't worth his time, but a child porn trafficker definitely was. And also, about Frank saying "you don't do it, his death's on you", that was meant to show that Frank believes that those who can prevent crime have a responsibility to do so. In Frank's mind, he has the skills to keep criminals from hurting people, and therefore if he doesn't, he bears some of the responsibility for letting those people be hurt. That's what he means when he says "The [choice] I make every time I pull the trigger."
I'd like to see him in the Thunderbolts movie in some capacity (even if its just a post-credit scene) as either a target of the team or a potential recruit for them (or both).
Yes, he does come back and has signed with Marvel Studios. As a condition of his contract, he has creative direction on the Punisher. He's a fan of the character and has really embodied the role.
@@william_santiagothat’s really good to hear, he’s played this character for quite a few years. So he’s one of the best ones to know how he should be in the new stuff
Nah whatever disney will do it will suck. I really wish the people that were in charge he with Daredevil S2 and The Pu Isherwood are the ones who will do more with him.
It’s a small detail, but I like how they make the Punisher feel like a slasher villain, like Michael Myers, in the first episode. It’s slow, but really brings weight and menace to his character
Personally, I think Daredevil and Punisher are both right. There is forgiveness and redemption, but how many innocent must suffer until they find it? Exactly how many are allowed to die before someone says, “No you’ve gone too far, we won’t tolerate you any further.”?? Both Daredevil and the Punisher are what we need: redemption and justice.
Episode 3 is my favorite episode of this season, especially Matt and Frank arguing on the rooftop. @54:04 the way Frank says his catchphrase makes him one of the scariest men alive. That’s when you know someone’s screwed.
While I'm not really a fan of The Punisher, I think he does act as a necessary counterpoint to heroes like Daredevil and Spider-Man by setting up a good debate about the effectiveness and end point of vigilantism. This is best exemplified in the rooftop argument in episode 3 which is one of the best sequences of the whole series.
I like The Punisher. Even the 2 seasons we got. What I don't like is the IRL people who think they're the Punisher, but also the good guy. Like, how much it's popular for cops to wear Punisher logos on their gear like LARPing psychos. But in theory, I agree. I just don't think his expertise is best used at the street level. Maybe people like Kingpin, but that's about it. Which is what I appreciate about the show. (Frank)enstein's monster turns on the people who made him after they take away the only piece of humanity he was holding on to. And he *knows* he's not the good guy.
@@cctomcat321 You should check out "Punisher issue #13" to sum it up. Two cops find punisher and instead of trying to arrest him they show him there punisher sticker on there police cars. To which he takes it off and rips it up saying "Were not the same. You took an oath to uphold the law. To help people, I gave all that up a long time ago. You dont do what I do. Nobody does. You boys need a role model? His name is captain America, and he would be happy to have you."
The punisher definitely has a moral compass, a very big one. That's why he never kills an innocent man. He just doesn't have faith in the system like Matt does. He's my favorite marvel character and you should definitely react to his show
If you look at the promotional posters for this season, they they are designed resembles some famous paintings (can’t remember which ones but, it’s cool seeing the similarities in them)
The Punisher is an anti-hero and yes, that is a reference to his skull-logo. I'm impressed that you knew about the character =) I love your jokey side, Vee, you made lol so much in this XD =) In the comics Frank was a Vietnam-vet, but here they had to obviously changed it to Iraq-vet because of age-gap. The Punisher is my favorite Marvel character, I'm such a fan that most of the comics I own are Punisher-comics, I have two different Funko Pops of Jon Bernthal-version of The Punisher & I have a poster of the 1st issue of Punisher's first miniseries from 1986 called Circle of Blood framed on my wall =) And I've of course seen the Dolph Lundgren-Punisher movie from 1989, the Thomas Jane-Punisher movie from 2004 and Punisher: Warzone with Ray Stevenson in the lead.
@@Griever_404 Same & it is Warzone. I know the facts & I know it's not well liked by most, & sure the writing could have been better, but that movie is the closest to being accurate to the comics, especially the MAX series. The casting is spot on, unlike the MCU Netflix version of Micro & Jigsaw, here they're more accurate! I like the actors, especially Ben Barnes, but those tiny scars in season 2 where such disappointment! Yeah, yeah, "inner scars & more psychological shit", not everything needs to be 100% realistic, nothing wrong with suspension of disbelief! I like Jon Bernthal, but when it comes to my favorite movie version it's Ray Stevenson - not only was he great, but his look was perfectly accurate! Has the look from the MAX series & the outfit from the 80's & 90's comics! I don't care, I still love that movie!
I really hope we see Elden Henson and Deborah Ann Woll reprise their roles in Daredevil: Born Again. They've already recast Vanessa, and no-one really knows why from what I can tell. The show would NOT be the same with our Foggy and Karen
The gun was loaded (Daredevil used it to shoot the chain). He pressed the trigger to show the thugs that it was empty 1) so that any bikers hanging back out of fear would come after him and not focus on the old man and 2) the character has issues with thrill-seeking.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps Well it is a fantasy universe where almost anything goes. Of course in real life I would never condone someone blasting a criminal away no matter how horrible of a person that guy is.
@@Shawaeon "Deserving" is a myth no matter what universe. Shakespeare can say "Well, God exists in Hamlet so Claudius deserves to die by poison since I wrote the book so God in my book makes it so." until he's blue in the face, fact remains Claudius cannot "deserve" anything.
I love the conflict between Daredevil and Punisher as it makes for some of my favorite scenes and character dynamics. It's the same dynamic as Red Hood and Batman from the DC universe. Batman and Daredevil put the bad guys away with the chance of redemption. They believe that people can change and that it isn't their job to be judge, jury, and executioner, only an enforcer trying to save innocent lives. But at a certain point, Red Hood and Punisher both recognize that there are people who won't ever change and that someone has to stop them, so they take it upon themselves to make the hard call, and they know that Batman and Daredevil won't. The Punisher did say it right, that Daredevil is "one bad day away" from being him. Daredevil knows he has a darkness in him, that he has "the Devil" in him, and that's why he prefers using his fist. I think it was in the comics where it was mentioned that he doesn't like using weapons because he finds it too easy to hurt others and potentially break his code that way which he doesn't want. But the Punisher recognizes that he is already too far gone, already down that path of darkness, so he tries to make the best out of it.
If you knew about The Punisher's backstory, you will understand where he is really coming from. That's why he is one of the most conflicting characters in the Marvel Universe.
In the comics they arent so much as friends but reluctant allies willing to work for the greater good but often in conflict due to their divergent opinions on protecting the city. There is partly a mutual respect there. Eager for you to learn Frank's backstory.
5:35 That's only because it's something you know. If you watched a film based in India with Indian characters, you most likely would not know how to differentiate between the authentic and the fake elements of that culture depicted throughout. Most things aren't accurate because they don't need to be as 99.9% of the audience don't know the exact landscape, area or generally how things work in those places enough for it to bother them. Moonknight shot all of it's London elements in Greece, and I knew that off the bat, but most people wouldn't.
It's terrible how badly she freaks out about the tap water when NYC has some of the best water in the country. It's one of the best protected aquifers anywhere. A lot of bottled water is from New York.
Yeah, I imagine that your community has already said it (hopefully without spoilers), but in terms of Frank Castle's motives, character, etc. You'll have to continue watching to know why he's doing what he's doing. You'll be able to understand it/maybe even empathize with him (thanks to his story/Jon Bernthal's performance), without agreeing that we can deal out death and/or judgement onto others “so easily”. It's really interesting to watch people like him, Deadpool, Ghost Rider, Wolverine, etc. because in some of these cases of the “anti-hero”, their arcs are really complex/engaging. Really fun reaction as always 😃👍🏾, can't wait for the next part, keep up the good work 😁🤙🏾.
The Punisher, Fisk and Daredevil are essentially a three sided coin. Fisk doesn’t love killing people, but doesn’t hesitate to if they’re in his way. Matt WANTS to kill the bad guys, but his moral voice wins over and he holds back because he knows it’s wrong. Like Matt, The Punisher wants to kill, but only the bad guys, and like Fisk he’s undaunting and brutal. He’s like a combo of both of their worst sides. He’s like Matt if his governor was turned off.
I can't believe I never frikkin realised that x-ray of Frank was the Punisher skull. I've watched Daredevil loads of times since it started too, I'm so mad at myself! 😄
Pretty sure you'll hit the episode in part 2, that had Netflix scrambling to give him his own series, no spoilers, just know, you'll understand instantly the reasons why!!! Both Jon Bernthal and Charlie Cox, do such an amazing job embodying the characters of Daredevil and Punisher, far better than any of the films.
I am really interested to see how someone who doesn't know the Punishers back story reacts to him. Especially since it opened with him shooting up a hospital; I'm curious to see how perception of the character changes by the end of the season.
When you said you recognized the actor playing the Punisher (Jon Bernthal) by the back of his head it reminded me of the Beasty Boys song She's Crafty when the cab driver recognized the girl from the back of her head.
The punisher talking to daredevil reminds me of Mike's speech about half measures in breaking bad. In the conversation mike talks about threatening a man who beat wife only to later go to the crime scene were the man killed his wife and how mike regretted not having just killed the guy. It brings up a huge moral question, if you spared someone who goes on to do something horrible and you knew that the chance of them doing that was pretty much gauranteed does that make you culpable?
I think where Punisher crosses the line is that all crimes are equal to him, a guy robbing a bank because they're desperate isn't the same as a rapist, a podophile a serial killer or a mobster. Daredevil on the other hand has the flaw of everyone deserves a second chance. The Punisher is right in some ways, some people can't be saved, don't deserve to be saved, however one guy being judge, jury and executioner isn't true justice either, and Matt isn't great either, but at least he isn't an executioner too. There's a story behind every crime, and sometimes there's regret and a path to redemption. The Punisher doesn't allow for that path to be open. Saying that The Punisher is an interesting character of an anti-hero who you support but simultaneously know that if everyone were just allowed to do that it'd be absolute chaos.
Lol, at already knowing who he was by the back of his head. The Frank Castle Punisher stuff was my favorite part of season 2. Some of the best stuff of the series!
What's really interesting is how people like to draw the line between the Punisher and other superheroes, like Wade Wilson kills just as many people as The Punisher does yet he's thought of in a better white because he's funny. Tony Stark also kills so does the Hulk and Thor. And even my favorite Captain America ndmc you has killed so not as much as the others. Yet everybody draws a line when it comes to Frank for some reason
Neither Punisher or Deadpool are superheroes. That aside, being a superhero is not about not killing. EDIT: If that sound strange, picture this, a Clark Kent or Peter Parker that basically prays "Please God, don't put me in a situation tomorrow where killing someone is my only option." before he goes to sleep is wise while the Clark Kent or Peter Parker that just goes "I would never stoop to killing! I mean, I wear a colorful outfit, I inspire hope, I am a superhero!" is an egomaniac idiot.
@Mansplainer 2099 Punisher isn't a superhero he's a form of a hero. Deadpool is a superhero at times and villain at others because he has Powers. But what I'm talking about is that even Thor Odin's son kills quite a few people. In fact that's literally his claim to fame with the Vikings. Tony Stark kills people mere seconds within donning the Iron Man armor. Catherine America being the soldier that he is has killed other soldiers, and operatives and aliens, in the MCU. What I'm saying is there's not much of a difference between Punisher and a life taking superhero. Now Frank a little more extreme but, she's proven he's just as capable of taking out a Thanos a he is a Crime Boss. But people's perception of the punishers different versus Deadpool for other life taking superheroes, even Guardians of the Galaxy. Probably because it's the presentation, also he's a lot more closer to home then everybody else, even Daredevil.
@@alaneskew2664 _"Punisher isn't a superhero he's a form of a hero."_ He's an anti-hero. _"Deadpool is a superhero at times and villain at others because he has Powers."_ Powers are beside the point. Deadpool started out as a supervillain then over time became an anti-hero. He's had "superhero adventures" but he's never been one himself basically because that's not his appeal. _"But what I'm talking about is that even Thor Odin's son kills quite a few people. In fact that's literally his claim to fame with the Vikings. Tony Stark kills people mere seconds within donning the Iron Man armor. Catherine America being the soldier that he is has killed other soldiers, and operatives and aliens, in the MCU."_ Sure, I understood that part. _"What I'm saying is there's not much of a difference between Punisher and a life taking superhero."_ There's a huge difference. Also, life taking is also pretty much beside the point. There's a superhero area and a vigilante area. Punisher is in the vigilante area while Daredevil and Wolverine are on the fence between the two areas (a third area), Daredevil doesn't kill people but Wolverine does. Deadpool is in none of the three areas, he'd be in a fourth area. Punisher, Wolverine and Deadpool are anti-heroes but Daredevil is rarely seen as one.
Punisher. On Disney+? You realize what's going to come of that right? They're going to cut both characters' daddy bags off like they already did to Matt in She-Hulk.
@@robertlombardo8437 that was cause of how she hulk was as a show and don’t act like Matt isn’t charming in his own show he had like 3 girlfriends and they put Punisher from Netflix 2 season in Disney plus already in the nature section , obvi there gonna be changes but I’m gonna wait and see if they disrespect punisher I’m done
This was so fun to watch! And it is impressive that you were able to recognize Jon Bernthal just from the silhouette! DD is remiss to kill, but he has done it. On a different note, that man's death would have been and remains on DD's ledger. After all, he could have picked up the gun and shot Frank in a non-lethal spot, but in a spot to disable him nonetheless. Unless his senses were not working, which, from the fighting in the building that followed, they clearly were working well! If he had shot Frank, he could have saved Grotto, not had to fight any of those bikers, turned Frank in to the police, and prevented any further bloodshed... for a little while, at least. Not only that, but he could have also finally put Foggy at ease about what he's doing! Instead, DD sticks to his "guns".... (Yeah, that was used ironically!) Looking forward to the next one!
Charlie Cox has Just Immersed Himself into BEING MATT MURDOCK SO well On like a Hugh JACKMAN Level….and In MCU Movies His Cameos make PPL GO HAM IN THEATERS😎🤩
10/10 Amazing!! As a huge fan of Marvel I'm a little biased because I pretty much like everything they put out. My bias aside, Daredevil is terrific! It's actually my favorite Marvel show (along with The Punisher). If you don't believe me just read through the reviews here and look at the ratings. Even the critics loved this. Charlie Cox and Vincent D'Onofrio were born to play Daredevil and Kingpin. They're easily the best part of the show. This is a show that you'll want to binge as quickly as you can, it's that good. It's too bad that Netflix couldn't renew their contracts with Marvel and they had to stop making the Netflix Marvel shows because every single one of them was great! Now that they're on Disney they can bring these wonderful characters back. They already started to with Daredevil and Kingpin showing up in other shows and they just renewed Daredevil for another season. Now they have to do the same for The Punisher, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones. At least bring them back into the MCU somehow. If you're a Marvel fan then this is a must watch!
No capibara's in Florida. Also, mostly known for Alligators.. We have crocodiles in Key West, but they arent the typical crocodiles people think of. They are much smaller.
VKunia - The Punisher was an INCREDIBLE Netflix series. I'm really hoping that when they bring Frank Castiglioni back in the new 18-episode Disney+ series Daredevil they don't really mess up his character.
I think I’m more of a grey person, because honestly I wouldn’t do what the punisher do, but I’ll let him do it.. it’s not like he murder thieves or innocent people, he murder murderers basically. It’s good tho that you think Matt’s right, but the question is, how else are you supposed to stop people from hurting other people while they have so much power to be put in jail? See? That’s why the conversation was so great because you can’t possibly choose. Also remember when Matt put that guy in the dumpster and he turned out to be in a coma/ brain dead (I forgot) basically I think Matt’s pretty arrogant tho, he’d do anything as long as they’re still breathing.. and that’s exactly why “you’re on bad day away from being me” hits.
Im loving your reactions. I just wanted to comment that Frank was trying to make a point when he asked for Matt to kill him or he'd kill Grotto - Frank's point of view is that because Matt doesn't kill (the bad guys) then the blood of their victims are in his hands - because Matt didn't kill Frank, Grotto died. (not saying Frank is right but is super interesting to watch their points of views clash)
What you are describing is a "Sliding scale of payment." It is used by many charity organizations such as Planned Parenthood and many community health centers.
When Season 2 first came out I must have replayed that scene of Frank's boots walking down the hall a million times. I cut my hair like his, bought a Punisher t-shirt with Jon Bernthal and his catchphrase on the back. I was obsessed. The first three episodes of Season Two are still my favorite out of ANY of the Marvel media. ANY of it! After that it was all kind of downhill, though, which unfortunately included the Punisher series.
From what you have said over several reviews you are well travelled. I mean, not only did you live in New York but Philly, too?!? Man I miss the Philly Cheesesteak. And, yeah, Daredevil has been my favorite hero since my youth. This show does such a good job with him. Cheers.
I'm glad u got impressed by the "one take" fight sequence. This show has one every season and it's inspired by the Korean movie 'Oldboy'. Highly recommend checking it out.
The challenge the punisher faces isn’t ‘finding his moral compass’. His challenge is that due to a brain injury he is permanently in fight or flight mode. He literally mentally can’t process events as being anything but the presence or absence of an emergency which if present needs a strategy to deal with immediately.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps It's not. Most people panic under fight or flight. Frank is exacting and precise. Prior to the things that drove him to do what he does, he already was a man without the ability to feel fear and his tolerance for pain was unparalleled among non super-powered folks. In all the Marvel universe, there isn't a non-powered character who has the feats Frank Castle has accomplished and survived.
@@taylemgames2652 I see, although I don't really panic. As I understand the term "panic" at least. Take Iron Man 3 example where Tony literally jumps and runs out of the building since it's a "panic attack" while I know exactly what that "trauma reminding you it's there" feels like but I wouldn't jump or run since that attack is as commonplace to me as feeling thirsty, I would either just carry on or excuse myself to a bathroom or something. I remember at a relative's party I'm just casually talking with the strangers seated around me and you'd think I just spit an awful lot when I talk everyday but that's because my adrenaline was pumping, I was literally trying to will my heartrate down, I was sweating despite being outdoors a cool late afternoon. Point is, in that state part of you wants to run or wish someone would pull a knife (you're basically stopping yourself scanning for it, especially since the ladies might think you're picturing them naked) but you're neither panicking or effectively strategizing, you're essentially just fumbling in the middle between the two.
@@VKunia you should just watch the Defenders next, because Daredevil s3 that goes after is just the best show in existence and everyone is probably waiting for you to check it out way more than other marvel shows
@Seth Rogers I already made my original comment with that in consideration. Knowing the background for a character in Defenders who isn't even particularly likable or interesting isn't worth sitting through Iron Fist for.
I think both Daredevil and Punisher are correct in their beliefs. The only deciding factor is where the line gets drawn. Matt's right, some people deserve redemption. But Frank's right, some people don't. Some are too far gone.
Just as a recommendation, Luke Cage is a very solid show, despite some moments where things go kind of wacky, but in a fun way. If you enjoyed his character in Jessica Jones, you will probably really enjoy Luke Cage.
@@yawdaorb i just found the actor boring. I mean if they got a different actor that was bigger You mean the villain who wore a costume? He was a joke. Iron fist was disappointing for sure but Collen Wing was great. I honestly expected too much Kung Fu lore and mysticism that we never got.
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