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this special triangle gives us sin(18º) 

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We will compute the exact value of sin(18 degrees), i.e. sin(pi/10), with this 18-72-90 special right triangle. We will also see the golden ratio during the computation when we use the quadratic formula! This is a classic geometry and trigonometry problem. If you like math, then you will enjoy it!
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@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen Год назад
sin(18 degrees) with the quadratic formula: 👉 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-p2k756gbwik.html
@davidkippy101
@davidkippy101 6 лет назад
If 18 degrees seems random to you, just remember that in radians it's pi/10
@rishabhdhiman9422
@rishabhdhiman9422 6 лет назад
Just remember its 180/10 in degrees
@turbopotato4575
@turbopotato4575 6 лет назад
tau/20
@renaared
@renaared 6 лет назад
david plotnik Just remember it is 20 grad
@bernardz2002
@bernardz2002 6 лет назад
20 Grads*
@renaared
@renaared 6 лет назад
oh I'm stupid, sorry, I'll edit
@thegoatman22
@thegoatman22 6 лет назад
For your next video you should find cosine of 72 degrees :)
@kirktucker8183
@kirktucker8183 6 лет назад
cos(72 deg)=sin(18 deg) remember the cofunction identity cos(90-theta)=sin(theta)
@thegoatman22
@thegoatman22 6 лет назад
thanks for sharing
@kirktucker8183
@kirktucker8183 6 лет назад
Any time :-)
@enzila468
@enzila468 6 лет назад
It probably does in some way because that's just how math works.
@Drakonya08
@Drakonya08 6 лет назад
it was a joke...
@1234Daan4321
@1234Daan4321 6 лет назад
In math, whenever we draw badly, we just say "just believe in the math" and everything is ok. 🤣
@ubernerd08
@ubernerd08 4 года назад
or the more formal way used in textbooks: “figure not to scale”
@miles8048
@miles8048 4 года назад
This reminds me of the time my math teacher was teaching us some graphing function and the line he drew barely missed a point so he just made the point bigger so it connected
@oenrn
@oenrn 3 года назад
As one of my old maths teachers used to say: "If I draw a square and tell you it's a circle, you treat it as a circle and that's that!"
@marbanak
@marbanak 6 лет назад
It has been hard enough for me to accept the fact that the limit of the ratio, of any 2 sequential terms in the Fibonacci series, equaled The Golden Ratio. Now, I find the Golden Ratio is also 2 x sin (pi/10). This is almost as cool as Euler's equation. Many thanks!
@jacksainthill8974
@jacksainthill8974 6 лет назад
+blackpenredpen Thanks for phi-guring it out. ;)
@arnavanand8037
@arnavanand8037 4 года назад
I will never forgive you for this *sin*
@oenrn
@oenrn 3 года назад
This is a golden comment.
@DasIllu
@DasIllu 5 лет назад
When self similarity is in the game SQRT(5) often comes over to hang out.
@avi4689
@avi4689 6 лет назад
"This is blue by the way"
@disc_00
@disc_00 4 года назад
If it was green it would die
@cveo1971
@cveo1971 6 лет назад
"What a-cute triangle" "My mommy says I'm special"
@jack002tuber
@jack002tuber 4 года назад
You're a little angle
@AdityaGhosh50
@AdityaGhosh50 6 лет назад
Again, a great video. In high school, we learned the method of taking 5θ = 90° and doing tedious manipulations. This method is so much better and pure.
@imsounak19
@imsounak19 24 дня назад
You're right! In India trying to solve a question in an innovative way is always not appreciated (especially by Math Teachers)
@mahendragupta2896
@mahendragupta2896 6 лет назад
Can you tell me why I am having a feeling of a pentagon and golden ratio
@franciscoabusleme9085
@franciscoabusleme9085 6 лет назад
36, 72 and 108 are the angles that appear in a regular pentagon, In fact the ratio diagonal:side is phi
@Vivenk88
@Vivenk88 6 лет назад
Here is another interesting fact. If you draw a regular Pentagon and join all the diagonals, you get a smaller Pentagon inside. The ratio of the side of the bigger Pentagon to the side of the smaller Pentagon is golden ratio^2. Also sine(666) = -(golden ratio)/2 #sacredgeometry
@KolasName
@KolasName 5 лет назад
Vivek Venkatesan Oh sh*t! That's f*kin deamon math!
@drenz1523
@drenz1523 4 года назад
Cus pentagon side×gold ratio=diagonal
@douglasmagowan4918
@douglasmagowan4918 6 лет назад
Inscribe a regular pentagon in a circle or radius 1, the vertexes are (1,0), (cos 72, sin 72),(cos 144, sin 144), (cos 72, - sin 72), (cos 144, - sin 144). The average of these coordinates will be the center of the pentagon (0,0). 1 + 2 cos 72 + 2 cos 144 = 0 1 + 2 cos 72 + (2 cos^2 72 - 1)= 0 4 cos^2 72 + 2 cos 72-1 = 0 Apply the quadratic formula cos 72 = -1/4 + sqrt(5) / 4
@dozenazer1811
@dozenazer1811 5 лет назад
I thought that (-1 + sqrt 5)/2 is the golden ratio but then I remembered that the golden ratio is made from the quadratic equation with negative b.
@pramanverma6209
@pramanverma6209 6 лет назад
Dear Sir, I really appreciated your efforts in this wonderful piece of geometry explanation. I really liked this new way of solving and obtaining the. Golden ratio... Sir,. I discovered that 18°*5 = 90 degrees therefore I found the value of sin18° by algebra and so I wanted to share it with you .. Let 18° =x 2x+3x =90° 2x= 90°- 3x Taking the sine on both sides, You obtain Sin(2x)= sin (90- 3x) 2sinx cosx = cos 3x Sir .. after solving these equations by eliminating cos(x) from both sides and converting cos^2x into sin^2x we notice that a quadratic equation is formed. We solve it and obtain the same value as you did using this amazing mind bending geometry , I.e( (5)^0.5 - 1)/4 .
@jakistam1000
@jakistam1000 6 лет назад
You have to know, however, how to write cos(3x) differently. I checked that it's equal to cos^3(x) - 3sin^2(x)*cos(x), but that's not something I would know on top of my head. Once you know that, however, it is really nice way!
@jakistam1000
@jakistam1000 6 лет назад
Abdullah Kanee Thanks :) Yes, in my maths class in high school we didn't learn triple angles identities, and since then, I was mainly using numerical values for the angles (or sinx=x approximation ;) ). In general, sin(2x), cos(2x), as well as sin(x+y), sinx+siny etc. are probably more useful. But it's easy to forget that there are other possibilities, if you don't use them :D
@JoeTaxpayer
@JoeTaxpayer 6 лет назад
That was great. The base of the full triangle was 1/phi , that was very cool. Great to see the enthusiasm for math here.
@pavinijain4743
@pavinijain4743 5 лет назад
Notice if u keep on cutting 72° u will get similar triangle over and over again...I would like to do infinitely many times...wow...!
@jona4385
@jona4385 6 лет назад
I love your videos so much!! Keep it up mate!
@Mir6922
@Mir6922 6 лет назад
The moment i get convinced you are the true math ninja... U hit me with a blow so powerful that i realize how my previous notion was such an obscene understatement.
@fCauneau
@fCauneau 6 лет назад
Yeah !! Blackpenredpen, are these triangles linked somehow with self-similar Penrose tiles ? They were considered long time as a simple mathematical curiosity, until they became the core of the recent discovery of pseudocrystals.
@tomkotch3726
@tomkotch3726 6 лет назад
I love these videos! I am hooked!
@egilsandnes9637
@egilsandnes9637 6 лет назад
This guy never stops to amaze me, isn't it?
@seanl.5181
@seanl.5181 6 лет назад
There was a much faster way of getting to that quadratic equation, why didn't you do it this way? the triangles are similar so corresponding sides are proportional 1/x=x/mystery number cross multiply x^2=mystery number 1=x+mystery number aka x^2 x^2+x-1=0
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
sigh... Happy Friday, It's over 100 deg F here.... Stay cool everyone!
@seanl.5181
@seanl.5181 6 лет назад
btw I'm 12
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
I know u must be 12.
@seanl.5181
@seanl.5181 6 лет назад
I'm very confused now, more than i was before
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Just bc u r 12. Stay cool, kid. It's really HOT here... I am going to buy some cold drinks! I would buy u one if u live in Los Angeles as well.
@benburdick9834
@benburdick9834 6 лет назад
I would love to see more videos that deal with complex numbers
@cosmopolitan4598
@cosmopolitan4598 6 лет назад
08:10, yep I can see (suspect) golden ration when I see sqr(5)/2 not mentioning plus or minus 2.
@donaldasayers
@donaldasayers 5 лет назад
This is one of the very few youtube maths videos where I can honestly say; been there, done that got the (Fibonacci ) Tee shirt. When I was 8 my teacher showed me a compass and straightedge construction of a regular pentagon in a given circle. 30 years later I was able to prove the construction using that triangle.
@Tomaplen
@Tomaplen 6 лет назад
5:20 I couldnt watch anymore it was weird and hard to understand with blue very confusing
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Tomas Molina oops.... sorry. :)
@johnhare8208
@johnhare8208 4 года назад
My thoughts exactly. This channel is mathematical heresy
@phoebedraper3046
@phoebedraper3046 4 года назад
John Hare whats so hard about understanding that two sides of the triangle are equal?
@nacargod5110
@nacargod5110 4 года назад
It was a joke...
@davutsauze8319
@davutsauze8319 4 года назад
@@nacargod5110 really? I don't get it
@andreguimaraes9347
@andreguimaraes9347 6 лет назад
As soon as I saw you making the 36-36 big triangle, I could smell golden rations coming up.
@U014B
@U014B 4 года назад
I figured it out when he showed the √5 in the quadratic formula.
@skillerfree500
@skillerfree500 6 лет назад
Hey man, write a book! :D
@gregaizi
@gregaizi 4 года назад
Excellent! You don't know how great it is! Thanks.
@MrRyanroberson1
@MrRyanroberson1 6 лет назад
5:00 the third line of the red is x², right? Similar triangles rule
@MrRyanroberson1
@MrRyanroberson1 6 лет назад
And since it could alternatively be 1-x as you said 5:30, 1-x=x² familiar golden ratio
@rafciopranks3570
@rafciopranks3570 5 лет назад
Lines aren't surfaces
@AmeliaBadeliaForever
@AmeliaBadeliaForever 6 лет назад
That was fun to watch, thank you
@thermotronica
@thermotronica 6 лет назад
Very cool, it was funny seeing you couldnt wait to tell us.
@ILikeReadingTho
@ILikeReadingTho 6 лет назад
GOOOOLLLLLDEEEEE NNNNN NNN RRRAAA TTTT IIIIIEEIEIIEIIII OOOOOOOO!!!!!!
@o_-_o
@o_-_o 6 лет назад
I have not been able to breath for several seconds. That's an ALL RIGHT TRIANGLE
@iaagoarielschwoelklobo6342
@iaagoarielschwoelklobo6342 6 лет назад
This video is gold!
@holyshit922
@holyshit922 6 лет назад
We easily construct angle if tangent can be expressed with four arithmetic operations and taking square roots Addition and subtraction can be realized by moving segments with compass , multiplication and division can be realised with Thales' theorem square root we will get after geometric mean with unit segment Slope is the tangent of angle we want to construct
@dougr.2398
@dougr.2398 6 лет назад
This is a very quick result but the method of constructing a rectangle from two differently sized 45° right triangles, one 30-60-90° right triangle and the 18-72-90° (rt. ) triangle is elegant & beautiful
@jaymarqrodillas8412
@jaymarqrodillas8412 5 лет назад
Hello Sir., May I Have A Question Regarding 18°, How do you simplify or Write it into Radian like This for Example "2π/4" ... Thank you & I Love your Videos... 😘
@ashakirdak4897
@ashakirdak4897 4 года назад
You can use angle bisector theorem after bisecting 72° That is 1/x=x/1-x 1-x=x² X²+x-1=0 Give you x=-1+√5/2
@anaygoyal1657
@anaygoyal1657 7 месяцев назад
Nice
@Propane_Acccessories
@Propane_Acccessories 6 лет назад
My DiffEq prof was just like this guy. Best math teacher I ever had.
@rb1471
@rb1471 6 лет назад
4:06, at this point you could say that the second triangle has a missing side of x^2 since the triangle was changed by a factor of x from the first one. Then at 6:03 you notice it's the same as 1-x. Then your equation becomes clear that x^2 = x-1 and get your solution
@shubhamgune1168
@shubhamgune1168 6 лет назад
Subscribed!
@TheShaakta
@TheShaakta 4 года назад
Belief in the math is now my mantra for life
@eksdi2115
@eksdi2115 6 лет назад
Thanks for the proof And i'll do a copy pasta math joke Q:Why don't you accept people to drink in your math party? A:Cuz you cant drink and derive (sorry :D)
@chaosredefined3834
@chaosredefined3834 6 лет назад
So, consider a 40/70/70 triangle. Specifically, BAC = 40 degrees, ABC = ACB = 70 degrees. Set a point D on BC and draw the line BD such that BDA is 30 degrees and BDC is 40 degrees. The lower half is an isosceles triangle. The upper half has a 30 degree angle, allowing you to use the sine rule. Set cos(40) to be x, and remember that sin^2 + cos^2 = 1. In the end, I have a cubic polynomial. Is there a better way to approach this?
@rafinonato
@rafinonato 2 года назад
Could you do a video on the super golden ratio? 👀
@kujmous
@kujmous 6 лет назад
This was cool!!
@juanguerrero5626
@juanguerrero5626 6 лет назад
Este video ha estado muy entretenido, Te felicito, Ahora ya puedo relacionar 18 con la proporción áurea.
@shivajoshi9068
@shivajoshi9068 5 лет назад
U make me recall the enjoyment that I got when I took up maths
@Docweed13
@Docweed13 6 лет назад
Simply a perpendicular bisector. That is a simple ratio given by Euclid in Data as well as elements. It is also taught in Geometry. As well as a modified G-conjecture.
@J7Handle
@J7Handle 6 лет назад
This is equal to (1/2) * phi^(-1). The cosecant is equal to 2 * the golden ratio. In the original 36-72-72 triangle the ratio of the sides is exactly the golden ratio. This is not so surprising because the golden ratio is (1 + sqrt(5))/2 and all the angles of the triangle are measured in fifths of 180 degrees (for the isosceles one).
@marcushellstrom1157
@marcushellstrom1157 6 лет назад
Actually there is big Phi and small phi so it might be even closer than you think. Your explaination though doesn't make immediately sense to me but I'm sure if I thought a bit about it, it would!
@rishabhdhiman9422
@rishabhdhiman9422 6 лет назад
+Marcus I like to call them major and minor golden ratio. Minor golden ratio is (1-sqrt(5))/2 so (sqrt(5)-1)/2 = -(1/2) * (minor golden ratio)
@marcushellstrom1157
@marcushellstrom1157 6 лет назад
Ok. I belive it is not trivial that (sqrt(5)-1)/2 = -(1/2) * (1-sqrt(5))/2 or true. Minor mistake perhaps have been added for this comment. But what is also not trivial and that I believe to be even more impressive as far as I understand, major phi(golden ratio) equals 1 over minor phi(other golden ratio) and also 1 plus minor phi(other golden ratio).
@rishabhdhiman9422
@rishabhdhiman9422 6 лет назад
minor phi = -1/(major phi)
@rishabhdhiman9422
@rishabhdhiman9422 6 лет назад
It actually doesn't equal 1 + minor phi
@7necromancer
@7necromancer 6 лет назад
`Hi, please do a video on a fourier transform :)
@Connarthian
@Connarthian 4 года назад
Hey look at that, that's pretty cool, golden ratio value is (1+sqrt(5))/2, the negative root is just the negative of that value.
@Connarthian
@Connarthian 4 года назад
I just saw the end of the video, I'm feeling kinda redundant lol
@biggbarbarian224
@biggbarbarian224 6 лет назад
Could you please add the name of the piece of music which plays at the beginning of the video in the discription. The same goes for your other videos btw.
@DonnyPetit
@DonnyPetit 6 лет назад
Bigg Barbarian it is a fantastic intro... i thought it sounded like this song: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-p5GOCq3lhg4.html
@xeon7663
@xeon7663 9 месяцев назад
I have a question, how come at the beginning you couldn’t just use cosine rule to find the length of x? I tried it myself and got a different value
@holyshit922
@holyshit922 5 лет назад
72 18 90 right triangle is useful in regular pentagon construction Hypotenuse of this triangle has length a lim_{n\to \infty} \frac{F_{n+1}}{F_{n}} where F_{n} is nth Fibonacci number
@sangeetaraorao236
@sangeetaraorao236 4 года назад
Never gonna forget this now !!
@erianaretnoputri7883
@erianaretnoputri7883 4 года назад
Understand well with what you explain, the sign + on sin 18° because it is on first quadrant
@dreznik
@dreznik 5 лет назад
you should work out the cosine too which is the vertical leg of the triangle: sqrt(1-(-1+sqrt(5))/4)²)
@TheGoki7
@TheGoki7 6 лет назад
so with this method, you can find the sin etc. of any angle? even the 30, 45, 90?
@Filip6754
@Filip6754 6 лет назад
Would it be possible to solve using "a" instead of 1 for the triangle sides?
@losthor1zon
@losthor1zon 5 лет назад
The 72 degree triangle is also something else... it's a truncation of one arm of a pentagram (which is also closely related to the golden ratio).
@Souls_p_
@Souls_p_ 6 лет назад
Best maths channel on RU-vid.
@safaesafae6041
@safaesafae6041 6 лет назад
thank youuuu so much for this amazing video
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
SAFA BIRIG thank you for your amazing nice comment!
@safaesafae6041
@safaesafae6041 6 лет назад
It's realy interesting and kind thing to share our knowledge with the whole world
@safaesafae6041
@safaesafae6041 6 лет назад
so again thank you to make me believe in the math
@avijitghosal9072
@avijitghosal9072 4 года назад
You could use the compound angle formula to get the value of sin 15 = sin(45-30) = sin45cos30 -cos45sin30
@rmandra
@rmandra Год назад
Thanks!
@theralhaljordan7337
@theralhaljordan7337 6 лет назад
So only with a 36-72-72 isosceles triangle does the line bisecting the 72 degrees equal the short side?
@JasmineJu
@JasmineJu 6 лет назад
Can you please explain the golden ratio part?
@cthulhumetaltuner1992
@cthulhumetaltuner1992 6 лет назад
MINDBLOWING VIDEO, SO AWESOME
@wristdisabledwriter2893
@wristdisabledwriter2893 6 лет назад
I love when u say believe in the math
@das250250
@das250250 6 лет назад
The most interesting part of this is that the triangle can have a negative and positive answer and how to understand it and not discard it ,
@RubenHogenhout
@RubenHogenhout 6 лет назад
Very nice. I wonder now is there an example of an Cubic of the casus iiriducible ( three real zero s ) that are in the first place expressed in sinus or cosus and then in this way can be expressed in roots anyway?
@RubenHogenhout
@RubenHogenhout 6 лет назад
For example if I construct a Cubic with sides 3 , 2+ (2)^(1/2) , 2+ -(2)^(1/2) I get X^3 + -7*X +14*X + -6 = 0 if I reduce it I get Y^3 + (-7/3)Y + (34/27) = 0 if I neglect that I allready know the aswers and can fraction it and calculate the sinus anyway I will find two expressions in sinusus that are equal two 2+ (2)^(1/2) and 2+ -(2)^(1/2) but can this be done too if all the three zeros are not integars? Or can this always been done also vice versa?
@donmoore7785
@donmoore7785 4 года назад
I saw what you did there. Awesome!
@matthewtang1489
@matthewtang1489 6 лет назад
blew my mind!!!
@segayanmx4442
@segayanmx4442 Год назад
Dear blackpenredpen sir! Thanks for the explanation! But I ve a doubt ! Which theorem do you use to get : x/1=1-x/x ? Or anyone else can explain me ?
@dennyleo6191
@dennyleo6191 6 лет назад
awesome vid good !
@X00000370
@X00000370 4 года назад
Pretty cool!
@chessandmathguy
@chessandmathguy 6 лет назад
very awesome!
@1989DP3
@1989DP3 6 лет назад
That was so beautiful, I thought I'd die!!!
@matj12
@matj12 6 лет назад
FYI, you used masculine ordinal indicator instead of degree sign. It looks strange with some fonts. (Like in the page title on my browser's tab.)
@AL-gz6cd
@AL-gz6cd 6 лет назад
Awesome videos
@sergiu2325
@sergiu2325 4 года назад
Hello.How about making a video showing a method to calculate cubic root of any real number?
@carloslavrado
@carloslavrado 6 лет назад
"This is sooo coool" A very special channel in RU-vid!
@trucid2
@trucid2 6 лет назад
Never knew the Ood liked math.
@nishatmunshi4672
@nishatmunshi4672 3 года назад
I really enjoyed
@anuraagrapaka2385
@anuraagrapaka2385 3 года назад
You should have given a different way for getting to sin(18⁰) Let A= 18 5A=90⁰ 2A = 90⁰ - 3A And then taking sine on both sides and solving
@user-ti2wm6xf7p
@user-ti2wm6xf7p 5 лет назад
1years ago, i saw this. Yesterday, one school math test answer was cos72. But i used this, and prove what is cos72. Thank you for many information.
@coolmangame4141
@coolmangame4141 3 года назад
this is amazing
@srizic1136
@srizic1136 4 года назад
By the way sine of 18 degrees is also the secant of 36 degrees divided by four. Also, the golden ratio is 2 multiplied by the cosine of 36 degrees
@Jamblox-nm5er
@Jamblox-nm5er Год назад
You guessed I would comment about the golden ratio but I know sin and pi are linked so what is the link between pi 18 and the golden ratio
@pahandulanga1039
@pahandulanga1039 Месяц назад
Can you do this trick with other angle values???
@mowleeshmurugan6440
@mowleeshmurugan6440 6 лет назад
Excellent video
@nikhilnirmal7772
@nikhilnirmal7772 6 лет назад
Mowleesh murugan must see channel Nikhil Nirmal Geometry Theorum of 18°72°90°
@soulswordobrigadosegostar
@soulswordobrigadosegostar 5 лет назад
Somebody should make a shirt out of this: "BELIEVE IN THE MATH"
@sanjeevtomar6247
@sanjeevtomar6247 4 года назад
Thanks very much
@arekkrolak6320
@arekkrolak6320 6 лет назад
This just shows how hopeless is transcendental trigonometry that we are happy as kids if we can solve one particular triangle using it and the result is still convoluted...
@PackSciences
@PackSciences 6 лет назад
You get minus psi because you solved X^2 + X - 1 = 0 ; if you do the change of variable y= - X, you get y^2 - y - 1 = 0 which is the characteristic on why you find psi and phi (characteristic equation of the fibonacci sequence, and of lots of stuff).
@hydrolythe
@hydrolythe 6 лет назад
I solved it by considering the equation x^5-1=0, then disassembling the equation and using the sum rule to put the output into another equation. After solving the equation that you got you should get the cosine of 18°. Then you simply plug it into the formula cos^2(x)+sin^2(x)=1 to get the solution.
@jwmmath
@jwmmath 6 лет назад
...construct a pentagon, center it at the origin, draw horizontal and vertical lines from the vertices, and play-play-play with 18 degrees, 72 degrees, etc., all year long!
@hugotosone223
@hugotosone223 5 лет назад
Buena pedagogia en este ejemplo: Una buena forma para ejercitar teorema de la bisectriz, clasificacion de triangulos, propiedades de angulos en triangulos y resolvente de la ecuación de segundo grado.
@mikerophone9618
@mikerophone9618 6 лет назад
unbelievable!!! incredible!!
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