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@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy Год назад
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@vladislavanikin3398
@vladislavanikin3398 Год назад
Nice video, but why haven't you talked about the fourth paradox of Zeno - "The Stadium Paradox"?
@Bemajster
@Bemajster Год назад
Magic word - VELOCITY
@fragileomniscience7647
@fragileomniscience7647 Год назад
Or the archimedian principle: For x < y, there is natural n such that nx > y. That induces a real interval covering. And it works, at least in analysis.
@God-ld6ll
@God-ld6ll Год назад
"takes minimum coverage of two distinct points to move. Otherwise how would you know with one?" Least i like to think about it.
@vsyovklyucheno
@vsyovklyucheno Год назад
Magic word - Planck distance
@05degrees
@05degrees Год назад
@@vsyovklyucheno Planck distance isn’t what is often popularly thought about it. It isn’t a smallest step like a distance of one cell in Conway’s Game of Life or other cellular automata. It’s just a scale at which we shouldn’t try to apply general relativity or quantum field theory, because they clash quite horribly here. In other cases, we can use approximations to get what we want, but on a Planck scale (which includes all Planck quantities) we can pretty much just wave our hands. We can do more if we suppose a more universal theory is true, like string theory. Then we just use insights from that theory to fill the paradoxical gaps in naively quantized GR. I like to think about the motion paradox in terms of an example from quantum mechanics (probably QFT too, but I’m not good with it at all). In QM, the state of the physical system already contains information about its position “distribution” (just apply the position operator) and its momentum “distribution” (apply the momentum operator) and moreover its evolution in the neighborhood of the current time instant is dictated by the state too: apply the hamiltonial operator to see the “velocity”. (Also one can reasonably do away with all those quotes.) In classical mechanics it’s often needed to have two different kinds of spaces: configuration space (for a moving ball that’s just its positions) and phase space (add velocities) and the dynamics are dictated by a state from a phase space. This doesn’t resolve the paradox as is but it says: no, there is difference which you evidence with this paradox that just a position isn’t enough. But when we encounter a framework like QM, we see sometimes we can have come with the phase space from the start! (Of course QM isn’t an “ultimate theory” (at least it’s superseded by QFT) but I don’t think one should wait for an ultimate theory for making sense of this paradox.)
@vladislavanikin3398
@vladislavanikin3398 Год назад
The third paradox precisely exists to discredit the idea of velocity
@05degrees
@05degrees Год назад
Nice you shipped multiple of Zeno’s paradoxes in one package! 🌈
@fragileomniscience7647
@fragileomniscience7647 Год назад
Archimedian principle: *You picked the wrong house, fool!*
@kanna-chan6680
@kanna-chan6680 Год назад
Here are my thoughts on the Zeno Paradox: While it’s true that at any given instantaneous snapshot of time (let’s call this S) there is no motion relative to the reference frame taken from at that given time, this doesn’t mean that a composition of DIFFERENT snapshots won’t give rise to overall motion. If we let each element in the series {S1,S2,S3… Sn} be unique, then the sum of them can never be equal to S1 (a snapshot where there is no motion), which is the snapshot where, according to Zeno’s Paradox, one cannot in reality move from. The idea is very similar to what a convergent series is in calculus.
@eu7059
@eu7059 Год назад
Just to play the devil’s advocate here, but you cannot create such a sequence considering the time as a continuous variable in a set that is uncountably infinite. But this opens up the argument for taking infinitesimal steps along the time line, and given its density and continuity it is possible to have motion even with fixed frame points. Also this explains the half distance paradox, since although you’re taking an infinite amount of steps, you do them in an infinitesimal amount of time, just like you can take an infinite number of points and end up with a totally measurable line.
@kanna-chan6680
@kanna-chan6680 Год назад
@@eu7059 Right, maybe we should modify the sequence to be something like this { 0, Sn -> 1 } where n is the most infinitesimal number in R+ (which excludes zero,) 1 is a representative and the final element in the sequence and -> represents all the numbers in the sequence that go from Sn to 1. Regardless of how the sequence is expressed though, I think my point still essentially stands.
@SuperYoonHo
@SuperYoonHo Год назад
my ans: 1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+1/32+1/64+1/128+1/256...=1 no paradox there and i am only 13 qed
@chickensoupproductions
@chickensoupproductions Год назад
Goofy Ahh nerd
@FaranAiki
@FaranAiki Год назад
@@SuperYoonHo Wow, very smart for your age! You have the potential to be on Harvard!
@Inspirator_AG112
@Inspirator_AG112 Год назад
Where to locate edge cases ~90% of the time: Zero Infinity
@aguyontheinternet8436
@aguyontheinternet8436 Год назад
Well, both are technically not numbers that we attempt to assign arithmetic properties mainly just to see what happens. Sometimes we get cool and interesting properties that help us do math easier (sometimes we get x/0 or infinity-infinity)
@RedTitan5
@RedTitan5 Год назад
sir your very generous as always... We need more "paradox"
@nHans
@nHans Год назад
One of Zeno's students completely believed everything his teacher told him. So the next day, in the marketplace, he stole a purse from an archer and started walking away. He was sure that neither the archer nor any arrows shot by the archer would reach him. Guess what happened next? The archer yelled "stop thief." A group of policemen who were some distance ahead heard the archer, stopped the student, recovered the purse, beat him up, and imprisoned him. MORAL: Always expect the unexpected.
@Matthew_Klepadlo
@Matthew_Klepadlo Год назад
I’m starting my second year today! I have three different math classes this semester, no science-type classes so this should be fun 😎 I hope 😰
@oitthegroit1297
@oitthegroit1297 Год назад
Good luck to you! I hope you have great success.
@twistedsim
@twistedsim Год назад
You just need to add a small offset before starting the supertask and you can show that you will reach the goal (1) in finite step. you can make the inital offset as small as you want and still have finite number of task
@magnusprobus4777
@magnusprobus4777 Год назад
Nice content as usual
@nHans
@nHans Год назад
And now, you also know the reason why the ancient Greeks 🏛 did not use analog clocks and watches ⌚. Zeno had taught them that if the minute hand got behind the hour hand - say, at one o'clock 🕐- it would never be able to cross the hour hand again.
@ZaturateEDM
@ZaturateEDM Год назад
This is one of my favorite paradoxes of infinity.
@maxime9636
@maxime9636 Год назад
Thank U so much 👍👍👍
@Lucidthinking
@Lucidthinking Год назад
Very fine video, although I don't see it solving the paradox. Here is why 1) The problem presented in the paradox is not that infinite tiny steps might diverge to infinity. The problem is that a process with infinite steps has no end. So how can I catch my friend by applying a process that has no end. 2) The mathematical solution also doesn't solve the problem, as there is a difference between equality and convergence. The sum of the members of the infinite series never equals one, only getting closer and closer to 1, which is the limit it never reaches. Think of is this way: If you sum a million members of the series, you will not reach 1. If you add the millionth and one member you will also not reach 1. No matter how many members you add, you will never reach 1, even if you continue to add members to infinity. Infinity is not a number nor a quantity. You cannot sum infinite amount of numbers. At best you can say that as the summation goes to infinity the sum goes toward 1.
@elweewutroone
@elweewutroone Год назад
The solution is that the motion has a minimum length - the Planck Length. This resolves the paradox because you actually cannot subdivide each distance infinitely.
@Lucidthinking
@Lucidthinking Год назад
@@elweewutroone I agree
@3dplanet100
@3dplanet100 Год назад
0:07 "half the distance to your friend" or *away* from your friend?
@GEMSofGOD_com
@GEMSofGOD_com Год назад
Loved the motion one. Takes some to solve
@ciroguerra-lara6747
@ciroguerra-lara6747 2 месяца назад
I have always had a problem with the series argument, since I can also say that I would have to travel half the distance, before that a third, before that a fourth, before that a fifth, an do so on. Then what was one now diverges.
@Ashbakhaaz
@Ashbakhaaz Месяц назад
This "solution" to Zeno's paradox only works for the sequence 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + etc. But Zeno's paradox could be formulated with other sequences equally, for example 1/3 + 1/9 + 1/27 + etc. Yet your solution would not work for this second sequence, because it converges to 1/2, not to 1. So it seems to me that Zeno's paradox remains mathematically unanswered, since before reaching your friend, you have to reach a third of the distance, and then a third of the remaining distance, etc, and mathematically it means you should only ever reach half the distance to your friend.
@tommyhuffman7499
@tommyhuffman7499 Год назад
Mathematics both causes the problem and provides the solution. Wonderful explanation!
@No.1Staticradiolover
@No.1Staticradiolover Год назад
As a math novice, this blew my mind. 😅
@SuryaBudimansyah
@SuryaBudimansyah Год назад
"Um sorry friend, this whole paradox thing is so confusing. Why don't we Discord instead?"
@scrungozeclown836
@scrungozeclown836 Год назад
1. You have infinite steps, but you are not moving in those discrete steps. You aren't taking "step one" because you are moving over it, in a way. You can also look at it like you are moving infinitely fast for the first infinite moves, but as you move you get progressively "slower". You complete each step in a longer amount of time, starting at completing the "first" step in an "infinitely short" amount of time 2. This is similar in that as you get closer, the length of time between steps gets shorter and shorter, eventually resulting in you overtaking your friend 3. This is sort of the same paradox of a derivative. What "slope" does a single point have, if a slope is a straight line (defined by at least two colinear points)? You can also maybe consider that there IS a "shortest amount of time". This would be the Planck Time. Perhaps, even more paradoxically, the movement occurs BETWEEN each Planck "second"? Either way, all these paradoxes exist because they view time in a discrete manner, an artifact of the human mind inventing "time" as a concept. We assume seconds exist, but even those can be warped just by traveling different speeds, so clearly a discrete measure of time is impossible (without fudging the numbers)
@chrisg3030
@chrisg3030 Год назад
It's all due to describing motion as a series of fictitious stops. When you report the position of a moving object, like it's halfway along, or 1 km from its destination or start, or give a map reference, or whatever, then you're pretending it's stopped at that point. Nothing wrong with that necessarily, it's a very useful convention. When the distance is big enough and the motion slow enough, like a ship on the ocean, you can then use that information to make useful predictions. But you can also play tricks, as naughty old Zeno does, and argue you can't get anywhere because of all those stops. But reaching your friend is only miraculous if you take those "stops" along the way as the literal truth.
@alphazero2357
@alphazero2357 Год назад
i concur with this explanation.
@OptimusPhillip
@OptimusPhillip Год назад
The solution to the first paradox has actually also been around for millennia, since at least the time of Aristotle. Basically, he noted that Zeno did not take time into consideration, only distance. To reach your friend, you must first cover half the distance between you and your friend, but covering that half distance takes half the time it takes to reach your friend. Same argument applies to the first fourth, first eighth, first sixteenth, and so on. There are infinitely many steps, but you also have infinitely many time intervals to complete them in. So as long as you maintain a constant speed, you can easily complete the journey.
@justinchampagne1729
@justinchampagne1729 Год назад
I hate to be “that guy”, but you misquoted the formula for the geometric series: For the sum of ar^n where |r|
@rjthescholar177
@rjthescholar177 Год назад
No, he was right, this is starting at n = 0, but he is starting at n = 1, which will always result in a difference of 1 between the formulae.
@lakshay-musicalscientist2144
He's applied the correct formula
@SuperYoonHo
@SuperYoonHo Год назад
Thanks BriTheMathGuy!!! Love to have more paradox! my ans to Zeno: 1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+1/32+1/64+1/128+1/256...=1 no paradox there and i am only 13 qed
@Veilwing
@Veilwing Год назад
for the second paradox; every time your fried runs a distance, you, being faster, run more than that distance. so if you constantly move more distance than your friend, you will eventually pass them. For the third one; its like pausing a video and saying it cant play because it's paused. In the scenario of a video, the upcoming events are stored as data. in real life, the upcoming events are stored as energy. ( but that example isn't perfect) and time is relative anyways. idk those are my thoughts lol
@marcusscience23
@marcusscience23 Год назад
“At any instant the ball is not moving” Planck time: Allow me to introduce myself.
@MUJAHID96414
@MUJAHID96414 Год назад
1:25 it's call turtle paradox
@pablocopello3592
@pablocopello3592 Год назад
A more "general" paradox: if a line have infinite number of points: how much time are you going to be at any point? An instant? That is, during 0 time. Is it different to have been 0 time in a place than NOT to have been in that place? (technically, if the number of points is infinite countable, like rationals, you still can have a non 0 time in all points and the sum of all times still be finite, but if the set is dense, like rationals, you will not have a definite finite speed in each point. If you want to have a definite speed at each point, time will be 0 at each point). Now, the sum of zeros, even an infinite number of zeros, is allways 0 (in standard mathematics, with non "alternative" numeric systems). What happens is That we are using a "model" to represent "reflect" real phenomena (movement in space). But ALL models (mental representations of some aspectos of reality), have limitations and cannot be applied outside their límits, and if you do, you fall in all kind of paradoxes. You cannot use the model of a point moving in a real number line in a continuos time (also real numbers ) with definited instantáneos speeds, to calculate the time to go from one point to other as the sum of times the moving point is in each point of the line, That is "outside" of the límits of the model. (we cannot have an "absolute" or "definitive" model of reality and we cannot know all the limitations of a model because reality is much more complex and concatenated than our capacity to model)
@chrisg3030
@chrisg3030 Год назад
I suggest the model very simply consists in representing motion as a series of fictitious stops. When you report the position of a moving object, like it's halfway along, or 1 km from its destination or start, or give a map reference, or whatever, then you're pretending it's stopped there. It's a very useful convention. When the distance is big enough and the motion slow enough, like a ship on the ocean or a star in the heavens, you can then use that information to make useful predictions. But you can also play tricks, as naughty old Zeno does, and argue you can't get anywhere because of all those stops. But reaching your friend is only miraculous if you take those "stops" along the way as the literal truth.
@GlorifiedTruth
@GlorifiedTruth Год назад
At 1:30, Brian corrects his own grammar error ("will have RUN" instead of "will have RAN"), eliminating the need for me to point it out in the comments section. Thanks, Bri!
@lietpi
@lietpi Год назад
Smh can't infinitely walk to your friend and have him beat you if you have no friends lads
@MarioDSLife
@MarioDSLife 8 месяцев назад
Great way to turn a meaningless brainless “family gathering” into philosophical mathematics!
@UltraMaXAtAXX
@UltraMaXAtAXX Год назад
Before I reach my friend, I need a friend.
@rparl
@rparl Год назад
Actually, a moment is a sixtieth of a second and an instant is a sixtieth of a moment. But these are seldom used.
@novemtrigintillionaire7684
@novemtrigintillionaire7684 Год назад
3 words: velocity and derivative
@velimir_ikalovic
@velimir_ikalovic Год назад
quantum, plank lenght, plank time
@krozjr5009
@krozjr5009 Год назад
Calculus go brrrrrrr I guess
@aguyontheinternet8436
@aguyontheinternet8436 Год назад
Intuitive calculus
@God-ld6ll
@God-ld6ll Год назад
Sumilenia
@paradox6647
@paradox6647 Год назад
The real question is why this stumped people for Millenia lol. Didn’t they know any bit of mathematical logic? You can easily figure out why it doesn’t work by using proof by contradiction. This example of someone walking to a friend is actually a proof that convergent infinite sums exist. In our world, motion is possible, Zeno’s paradox shows us that if you assume that all infinite sums are divergent you get the absurd conclusion that all motion is impossible which contradicts reality. By using proof by contradiction, our initial assumption must’ve been false and thus convergent infinite sums exist. The crazy part is that proof by contradiction existed in Zeno’s time.
@yordiz9481
@yordiz9481 Год назад
How much is speed of time? I say 1.
@aguyontheinternet8436
@aguyontheinternet8436 Год назад
I'd say it depends on where you are and how fast you're going, because the amount of time distortion you're experiencing changes. A second isn't always a second.
@yordiz9481
@yordiz9481 Год назад
@@aguyontheinternet8436 are you entering to special relativity? If it is, i am saying on the same reference frame. If you also relate it with moments, again i say it is 1.
@thirtytwenty
@thirtytwenty Год назад
answer to the intro: just walk
@pseudolullus
@pseudolullus Год назад
Tfw too much philosophizing stunts your attempts at discovering calculus
@hydrochicken9854
@hydrochicken9854 Год назад
Of course this is all assuming that you have friends
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy Год назад
*Axiom of Frienship*
@hydrochicken9854
@hydrochicken9854 Год назад
@@BriTheMathGuy I think you’ll find this leads to some contradictions though
@petterlarsson7257
@petterlarsson7257 Год назад
this isnt even a paradox though
@mathman15
@mathman15 Год назад
Their is no maths in real life there is just use of maths in real life it means the first question you raised is not valid because maths is not real life it's just a use in real life and physics so that we can find answers of different physics terms
@brrrrrrruh
@brrrrrrruh Год назад
Lazy content.
@rudychan2003
@rudychan2003 Год назад
"I'll Be The One" -- BSB 🎵 THE ONE -- Jet Li 📽 Ordinary Sum. You will never-ever meet Friend. infinity [8]*
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