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The Alternating Harmonic Series convergence is something you could show in a calc 2 class. Although the alternating harmonic series is conditionally convergent, you may not have known why the sum of alternating harmonic series equals ln2.
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@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 9 месяцев назад
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@hasanjakir360
@hasanjakir360 3 года назад
I understand this prove for the first time. Now, I'll just have to practice a while.
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Great to hear! Thanks for watching :)
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 3 года назад
@@BriTheMathGuy same for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@p_square
@p_square 3 года назад
It is also the special case of the Dirichlet Eta Function η(1) and also the x = 1 case of the Mercator Series
@kinshuksinghania4289
@kinshuksinghania4289 3 года назад
That's a very neat way of proving that the sum equals ln 2
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Glad you thought so!
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Did this video explanation go too fast?
@Nolord_
@Nolord_ 3 года назад
Yes
@vinayakchawla2510
@vinayakchawla2510 3 года назад
Nah bro , I sat with a pen and paper so it was cool
@vaibhavcm7503
@vaibhavcm7503 3 года назад
No, don't worry....
@evilape87
@evilape87 3 года назад
A little bit, yes. I prefer the slower tempo of 3Blue1Brown or Mathologer, to be honest.
@cpasr8065
@cpasr8065 3 года назад
Yes, but i m still in high school, so maybe just for me.
@SlimThrull
@SlimThrull 3 года назад
"Oh, good. A short video." 30 seconds later... "Ahhhhh this is going way too fast!"
@karangupta4978
@karangupta4978 3 года назад
Well i just remembered the Taylor expansion of ln(1 + x) = infinite sum( ((-1)^(n+1))x^n/n) (we use it a lot in calculating limits) which kinda solves the problem in a blink but I really liked that you squeezed in the squeeze theorem ;)
@StarGarnet03
@StarGarnet03 10 месяцев назад
nice pun at the end
@The__Leo69
@The__Leo69 3 года назад
Okay. That limit of inequality...it blew my mind!
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Glad you thought so! Have a great day!
@The__Leo69
@The__Leo69 3 года назад
@@BriTheMathGuy You replied! Made my day🤩🤩🤩
@GameXplayTutorial16
@GameXplayTutorial16 3 года назад
This is so clean! Perfect speed imo :)
@RafaxDRufus
@RafaxDRufus 3 года назад
I really prefer this more advanced and faster going through content
@anne5664
@anne5664 2 года назад
4:17 did you say "I'll sum you in that one" instead of the usual "I'll see you in that one" 😆. Love your videos btw!
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 2 года назад
Thanks so much!
@d0tz_
@d0tz_ 3 года назад
for a second I was like wait, this isn't what's promised in the thumbnail, then I remembered what natural log means.
@sagnikasen2402
@sagnikasen2402 2 года назад
This is mind blowing !
@jensknudsen4222
@jensknudsen4222 3 года назад
Inequalities are a pain but sometimes they deliver the goods.
@FadkinsDiet
@FadkinsDiet 3 года назад
The integral of x^n over 1+x can easily be computed by reindexing, just let y=1+x, it becomes integral of (y-1)/y with altered bounds
@NsEricNs
@NsEricNs 3 года назад
You amaze me every time too
@axbs4863
@axbs4863 Год назад
A cool little thing I found is that if you write the sum as 1 to inf as ((-1)^(n+1))/(xn), for every positive integer above 1 you put for x, the sum equals to the xth root of 2 (2^(1/x)). neat.
@frankreashore
@frankreashore 3 года назад
Another great video. Huge thanks. When I paused the video I realized that you were not really going too fast. I would have done the same.
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it! (I'm still working out any kinks with timing 😂)
@karma_kar9623
@karma_kar9623 3 года назад
Quality videos. Subbed.
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Much appreciated!
@Mallowigi
@Mallowigi 2 года назад
Math major 15 years ago and my head hurts with all these integrals. But nice deduction!
@jh8801
@jh8801 2 года назад
that is actually amazing
@xcreeperbombx61
@xcreeperbombx61 3 года назад
The length of the video is a nice number
@cpotisch
@cpotisch 3 года назад
Why didn’t you just plug -t into the geometric series, integrate from 0 to x-1, and plug in 2?
@jackweslycamacho8982
@jackweslycamacho8982 3 года назад
Because everybody does that
@harish6787
@harish6787 3 года назад
Amazed..!
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
🤯
@stephenphelps920
@stephenphelps920 3 года назад
Brian has abandoned the dark side
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
😂 I wore a black shirt so I backed myself into a corner. Do you like it less or more?
@Havron
@Havron 3 года назад
@@BriTheMathGuy Personally I prefer dark.
@alexszczepucha385
@alexszczepucha385 3 года назад
Got tired of writing out your math backwards huh 😂
@GhostyOcean
@GhostyOcean 3 года назад
If you notice in those videos, his handedness changes. So he records it by writing normally from his side of the glass/plastic wall, then flips it in post so that the text looks correctly for the camera.
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Well I did that "trick" with video editing, but it turns out this way just requires way more video editing 😂
@TI5040
@TI5040 3 года назад
Your proof was quite beautiful, but simple it was the Dirichlet ETA function right??
@crazyspider17
@crazyspider17 3 года назад
Who also thought of Candace from Phineas and Ferb when he said "conditionally"
@taheralabbar9853
@taheralabbar9853 3 года назад
Awesome
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Glad you thought so! Have a great day!
@ellacai8612
@ellacai8612 Год назад
Amazing!!!! OH OMG, this is amazing! I figured it for 3 days and this is my answer?! So funny👍
@GEMSofGOD_com
@GEMSofGOD_com 3 года назад
Epic series
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
I think so too! Thanks for watching!
@NXT_LVL_DVL
@NXT_LVL_DVL Месяц назад
Which books should I refer to learn all these ?
@hvok99
@hvok99 2 года назад
I like these videos a lot, but find they go a beat and a half to fast for me to track, I often need to pause to not feel totally disoriented. It's awesome content and we'll explained, just too fast for me to stay with you as you are explaining.
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 2 года назад
Noted! I'll try my best in the future to slow down a bit!
@MrDazzlerdarren
@MrDazzlerdarren 2 года назад
0.75 playback speed ;-) lol
@hvok99
@hvok99 2 года назад
@@MrDazzlerdarren touché
@Vapour1o1
@Vapour1o1 2 года назад
1:34 "We can pull this sum out of the integral with basically no justification since it's a finite sum." 3:40 takes the limit as n approaches infinity, where n was the bound of the earlier "finite" sum. ... I feel like justification might have been needed.
@BambinaSaldana
@BambinaSaldana 2 года назад
I read this as he said it
@stirlingblackwood
@stirlingblackwood 10 месяцев назад
1:03 I think you mean divide by 1-x.
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 3 года назад
so impressed that it is 5 minutes & great video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Glad you liked it! Have an awesome day!
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 3 года назад
@@BriTheMathGuy #thanks it's easy
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 3 года назад
@@BriTheMathGuy same for you!!!!
@johnchang8279
@johnchang8279 Год назад
Easier to take ∫ dx/(1+x) = ln(x+1). Integrate the geometric series on the left to get x-x^2/2+x^3/3 ... and substitute x=1.
@vaibhavcm7503
@vaibhavcm7503 3 года назад
Hello, a request, can you please please make a video on that integral inequality, I still don't understand the proof of it.... please
@stephenbeck7222
@stephenbeck7222 3 года назад
Absolute value of the integral means you add up the signed value of all the positive and negative areas then turn the result into a positive value. Some of the areas are negative so they reduce the final result. Integral of the absolute value means turn all the areas positive first then add up all the areas: nothing is negative to reduce the sum. So the former must be less than the latter.
@_mt_takku3599
@_mt_takku3599 3 года назад
I'mJapanese.this video is very interesting!!
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Glad you liked it!
@GoogleUserX
@GoogleUserX 8 месяцев назад
Love Math ))) It's THE ONLY HUMAN READABLE form of the REALITY ))) Ironically it's not reality itself, But precise DESCRIPTION of reality ))) No other forms of REALITY are available to us as we are A PART of it )))
@nikhilnagaria2672
@nikhilnagaria2672 2 года назад
4:20 video length Man of culture I see.
@anthonypham7563
@anthonypham7563 3 года назад
Clean video
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Thanks! Have a great day!
@JoeyFaller
@JoeyFaller 2 года назад
I don't think it's too fast. If people are happy to dedicate some time, they can watch through it once, then watch through again and pause as necessary if they wanna take notes.
@Regularsshorts
@Regularsshorts 3 года назад
Nice vid
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Thanks! Have a great day!
@speedcubesolver1195
@speedcubesolver1195 2 года назад
Whoa 😳
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 2 года назад
🤯
@philippep4036
@philippep4036 2 года назад
Why are u taking the primitive between 0 and 1 at 2:09 and why isnt it 0 and +inf
@lavneetjanagal
@lavneetjanagal 3 года назад
Consider F(x) = 1-x/2 + x^2/3 - x^3/4 + ... . Now, d(x F(x))/dx = 1- x+x^2 -x^3+ ... = 1/(1+x) . Integrating both sides x F(x) = Log(1+x)+c . Clearly, c=0 considering x=0 on both sides. Therefore, F(x) = Log(1+x)/x . The series in the video is x=1. This also shows that as x approaches -1, we get log divergence which is the divergence rate for harmonic series. More interestingly, one can use this to define analytic continuation for the similar series for x = some negative number not equal to 1.
@baticadavinci3984
@baticadavinci3984 3 года назад
1:37 those equations looks soooo HOT
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
🥵
@chhavigupta2802
@chhavigupta2802 2 года назад
Bruh
@RafaxDRufus
@RafaxDRufus 3 года назад
Loved this derivation, but wouldn't it be enough to calculate it through taylor series of log(1+x) ?
@einsteingonzalez4336
@einsteingonzalez4336 3 года назад
Note that because of the small radius of convergence, the series no longer converges for x>1.
@RafaxDRufus
@RafaxDRufus 3 года назад
​@@einsteingonzalez4336 I'm pretty sure it converges for |x|1 (the series of log(1+1/x) ) is log(1+x) = log(x) - (-1)^k / (k · x^k ) for |x|>1 Plugging x=1 in any of the two forms you obtain log(2), so that value can be evaluated without any risk.
@matthewboyd8689
@matthewboyd8689 Год назад
Looking at those exponents made me realize something to the power of 1/2 means square root, which means if you take the negative of a number and take it to the power of one half it becomes an imaginary number. Just tried it on my phone and you need parentheses but it said, keep it real rather than error. Thought it was funny.
@vaibhavcm7503
@vaibhavcm7503 3 года назад
I tried solving the alternating harmonic series. I took it to be the summation of (-1)^n/(n+1). And I write (-1)^n as e^n(ln-1) and I wrote ln(-1) as iπ and then I used Euler's identity and wrote is as the summation of (cos (nπ)+isin(nπ))/n+1 and then on breaking the summation the the summation which contains sin(nπ) becomes zero. And we get summation of (cos(nπ))/n+1. But I don't know what to do next. I'm stuck on this from days. I tried solving it like this, but I'm stuck....go nowhere, thanks by the way...... amazing video.....
@p_square
@p_square 3 года назад
It's not the summation of (-1)^n/n+1!! it's the summation of (-1)^{n+1}/n. You were taking the sum wrong! Try the sum I wrote and you'll get ln(2). Good Luck!
@achillachill5520
@achillachill5520 2 года назад
isnt the sum from k=1 to infinity} ((-1)^{k+1 of)/k a convergent series?
@ccg8803
@ccg8803 3 года назад
Why this Channel has only 62000???
@AB-ts7gi
@AB-ts7gi 3 года назад
is the reindexing at the end of the video correct?
@jagatiello6900
@jagatiello6900 3 года назад
Yes, because (-1)^(k+1) is the same as (-1)^(k-1) because (-1)^(odd)=-1 and (-1)^(even)=1
@AB-ts7gi
@AB-ts7gi 3 года назад
@@jagatiello6900 thank you a lot!
@blue_blue-1
@blue_blue-1 2 года назад
was sagt er am Schluss?
@giampiproietti
@giampiproietti 3 года назад
Just use Taylor series of ln(1+x) at x=1
@gregoryfenn1462
@gregoryfenn1462 3 года назад
Only works if you have proved the correct Taylor series, but yeah I agree that is probably easier in this case
@mysticdragonex815
@mysticdragonex815 3 года назад
What is the Taylor series for ln(1+x)?
@giampiproietti
@giampiproietti 3 года назад
@@mysticdragonex815 ln(1+x)=x-x²/2+x³/3-x⁴/4....
@Dhruvbala
@Dhruvbala 3 года назад
4:20
@jonathandawson3091
@jonathandawson3091 4 месяца назад
I mean you could probably just taken the Taylor series of ln(x)?
@mikkel3836
@mikkel3836 2 года назад
this is before watching, are you saying that such a simple sum can equal the nautral log of 2?????
@nishatmunshi4672
@nishatmunshi4672 3 года назад
Nice
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Thanks! Have a great day!
@vatsalbhuva1471
@vatsalbhuva1471 3 года назад
Another approach to the problem. We know that the sum of the ∞ Geometric Series, 1-x+x²-x³... = 1/(1+x). Taking the definite integral from 0 to 1 on both sides, we get: x-(x²/2) +(x³/3)....∞ = ∫1/(1+x). Solving the RHS integral, we get: ln(1+x) = x-(x²/2) +(x³/3)....∞ The definite integral is from 0 to 1, and plugging in these values in the LHS and RHS, we get: ln2 - ln1 = [1 - (1/2) + (1/3) - (1/4).....∞] - [ 0-0+0-0....] Hence, ln2 = 1 - (1/2) + (1/3) - (1/4).....∞ Taking log on both sides, we get: e ^ (1 - (1/2) + (1/3) - (1/4).....∞) = 2 Cheers!
@anshumanagrawal346
@anshumanagrawal346 3 года назад
0:18 But that's not generally true, right?
@get2113
@get2113 3 года назад
Just the Taylor series for ln(2).
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Also works!
@quickmath8290
@quickmath8290 2 года назад
You can explain this much better, if you just integrade the geometric series expansion and plug in 1 as value.
@romanbobyor
@romanbobyor 3 года назад
you squeeze this in 4 mins :)))
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Good old Squeeze theorem :)
@aggelosbillis7433
@aggelosbillis7433 3 года назад
At 3:06 isn't x to the power of n only >0? instead of >=0
@nasekiller
@nasekiller 3 года назад
x>0 implies x>=0
@aggelosbillis7433
@aggelosbillis7433 3 года назад
@@nasekiller yeah but x to the power of n is never zero
@nasekiller
@nasekiller 3 года назад
@@aggelosbillis7433 its still >=0
@sujalsalgarkar360
@sujalsalgarkar360 3 года назад
Me at the end of vedio : wow
@feynman.r4118
@feynman.r4118 2 года назад
I was so amazed even i want to give you 10 likes!!🤭🤭🤭
@Hamesha_Haste_rho
@Hamesha_Haste_rho 11 месяцев назад
Love from India 🇮🇳🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 ❤❤
@MrRandom54
@MrRandom54 3 года назад
not really surprising, just taylor series of ln(1+x)
@xtraPathshala
@xtraPathshala 3 года назад
keep on I also try to make animated content to help students.
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Fantastic! Have a great day!
@kroax9720
@kroax9720 3 года назад
taylor series pops out from anywhere brother
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Facts.
@chjxb
@chjxb 2 года назад
Another crazy stuff. How can integer fractions come together as ln(2)? I think I will quit maths
@StevenTorrey
@StevenTorrey 2 года назад
If you say so.....
@clemensp9318
@clemensp9318 3 года назад
Applying the triangle inequality, before dropping the absolutes is very daring of you :p
@fly7thomas
@fly7thomas 3 года назад
ln(2)-ln(2)=0
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Facts.
@jonasdaverio9369
@jonasdaverio9369 2 года назад
Why do you say calc 2 at the beginning? To me at least, calc 2 is calculus on R^n, while everything you covered here is covered in calc 1
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 2 года назад
Depends where you go to school I guess 😀
@user-dd7xw5ib6c
@user-dd7xw5ib6c 3 года назад
Google Translate. I'm a Japanese viewer, but I would appreciate it if you could add English subtitles.
@lebdesmath2510
@lebdesmath2510 Год назад
wow nc vid
@purim_sakamoto
@purim_sakamoto 3 года назад
お、おう めっちゃ複雑な計算なので目でおいきれんかった😯 結論だけわかる😅
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
I'm not sure what this says but thank you for watching and have a great day!
@purim_sakamoto
@purim_sakamoto 3 года назад
@@BriTheMathGuy thanks a lot!☺
@AJF1atharv
@AJF1atharv 3 года назад
It would be rather easy with MCLAREN SERIES as according to this Log(1+x) = x- x²/2 + x³/3 - ...... Let it be eq. 1 Now Log Sn = 1 - 1/2 +1/3 -......... Log e Substituting x = 1 from eq.1 Log Sn = log (1+1) x 1 Sn = 2 :)
@heh2393
@heh2393 2 года назад
That's the standard way, his AIM was to show another elegant way to do it.
@jatloe
@jatloe 3 года назад
2:38 This doesn’t convince me. Why does this work?
@CAG2
@CAG2 3 года назад
Let's see what it means to integrate the absolute value of a function, versus the absolute value of an integral. The absolute value of a function is always be greater than or equal to zero at any input (aka. x value). If we graph it, we see that there are no parts of it under the x-axis. So if we take the definite integral of this between some value a and b, it represents the total bounded area of the _original_ curve and the x-axis. This is because any negative area in the original curve has been flipped above the x-axis, and hence it will add to the final value, not subtract. Meanwhile, if we simply integrate the original function from a to b, we do not get the bounded area. What we get instead is the total bounded area _above_ the x-axis *minus* the total bounded area _below_ the x-axis. If we take the absolute value of this result, we simply remove any negative sign and hence it becomes positive. Try to convince yourself that the latter simply cannot be greater than the former.
@GhostyOcean
@GhostyOcean 3 года назад
One way of defining an integral that is equivalent to Reimann integration is the Darboux integral. Since my keyboard doesn't have a capital sigma handy, I'll use £ as a replacement for now. It's a real pain to write out the definition of Darboux integration on mobile, so I leave it to you to look at the necessary definitions and notations. Basically, an integral is a sum of things, so we can use the triangle inequality to get |£ x_i| ≤ £|x_i|. Then taking the inf and sup over all possible refinements of a partition P gives us that |int( f(x) dx)| ≤ int |f(x) dx| Next, we'll set [0,1] = D. Then note that 1+x ≥ 1 for x in D. So 1/(1+x) ≤ 1 for x in D. So x^n /(1+x) ≤ x^n for x in D. Thus we have shown the desired result.
@GhostyOcean
@GhostyOcean 3 года назад
Another, simpler way to put the first point made is that if a function F is integrable and nonnegative, then | int(f)| = int(f) = int |f|. So | int(f)| ≤ int |f| since they are equal. But if f has some interval D where it is negative, then the integral on D subtracts from the value of the rest of the nonnegative parts and makes the resulting output smaller. Conversely, the integral of the absolute value is increasing since |x|≥0 for all x. Thus the integral of an absolute value cannot ever decrease in size. Thus in this case, | int(f)| < int |f|. So | int(f)| ≤ int |f|
@jatloe
@jatloe 3 года назад
@@CAG2 Ah ok, that makes a lot of sense, thanks!
@jatloe
@jatloe 3 года назад
@@GhostyOcean Yep ok, thanks!
@emanuellandeholm5657
@emanuellandeholm5657 3 года назад
e^(alternating series) can be written as e^(positive terms) / e^(negative terms). If you pull out a half from e^(negative terms) you get 1/2 e^(positive terms), which gives e^(positive terms) / (1/2) e^(positive terms) = 1 / (1/2) = 2. QED *trollface*
@nasekiller
@nasekiller 3 года назад
thats wrong on so many levels.
@nicholasheilig3694
@nicholasheilig3694 3 года назад
gotta admit 3b1b did a simpler proof
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
True!
@lawliet2263
@lawliet2263 2 года назад
Who is 3b1b
@deepakgoswami7882
@deepakgoswami7882 3 года назад
You are cool
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
You're cool! 😎
@akankshasharma7498
@akankshasharma7498 3 года назад
Who else computes alongside his videos ? .......(and gets stuck all the time 😑)
@p_square
@p_square 3 года назад
If you have taken Calc 2 then its just a cake walk
@KarmaPeny
@KarmaPeny 3 года назад
Nice video. We can also use conditionally convergent series to show why the algebraic 'proof' of 0.999... = 1 is invalid. (By the way, did you see my comment under your last video where I explained why your formal argument for 0.999... = 1 is flawed?) The algebraic proof is where we start with x = 0.999..., we multiply both sides by 10, subtract what we started with, then divide both sides by 9 and supposedly end up with x = 1. Obviously if we start with x = 0.999... and then multiply both sides by (10 - 1)/9 we should end up with exactly what we started with. The reason it appears to change to x = 1 is because under the cover of the decimal system a sneaky misalignment of the terms was performed before the subtraction. Let's do the proof again but let's replace 0.999... with the geometric series that it represents, namely 9/10 + 9/100 + 9/1000 + ... Then if we multiply it by 10 we get 90/10 + 90/100 + 90/1000 + ... then if we subtract what we started with we get 81/10 + 81/100 + 81/1000 + ... then if we divide by 9 we get back to exactly what we started with. We can easily show that a 'shift-and-subtract' operation on geometric series can result in contradiction. We start with 1+1+1+... = 1+1+1+... and simply subtract what we started with except that on one side we 'shift the terms' before doing the subtraction. We end up with 0=1 and so this appears to be evidence of why this 'proof that 0.999...=1' is flawed. There are other ways to demonstrate that we can't just re-arrange terms in a series. For example, we could re-write 0.999... as the series [9/10 + term1 - term1] + [9/100 + term2 - term2] + [9/1000 + term3 - term3] + ... where term1, term2 etc. are the terms of any conditionally convergent series. Then as per the Riemann Rearrangement Theorem we could make the result of the subtraction supposedly converge to any value we like. Most people agree that the base 10 decimal and the geometric series represent exactly the same thing and so should be interchangeable. And so if we can show there is a flaw in the proof when using geometric series, then the proof is no good at all. We can't claim the proof 'works' for the base 10 decimal but not for the geometric progression because these two forms are just different ways of writing exactly the same thing. As far as I can gather, most mathematicians think it is acceptable to define our way out of the problem. Mathematicians have simply invented a lot of rules about what we are allowed to do in terms of rearrangement/regrouping of terms. For example, we are not allowed to re-align the terms of a divergent geometric series and this allows us to claim that the example of 1+1+1+... = 1+1+1+... is not relevant. And (presumably) we are not allowed to modify an absolutely convergent series in any way where the result of a subtraction could be made to converge to more than one value. So even though we might think that the the example of 1+1+1+... = 1+1+1+... clearly demonstrates why the misalignment of endless non-zero terms in geometric series should not be allowed, it is not enough to simply work from 1st principles. We need to be aware of every definition and every rule that has ever been accepted into the discipline called 'mathematics' just in case there are any that say "that is not allowed". In other words, when faced with any counter argument to what mathematicians want to be true they say "that is not allowed". It is not a very elegant way to side-step problems to simply use a bunch of made-up rules that say "that is not allowed" and it raises the question of what exactly does mathematical rigour mean if mathematicians can simply define their way around any problem that they don't like.
@headlibrarian1996
@headlibrarian1996 3 года назад
I always thought the argument goes like this: there is always a distinct real number between any two distinct real numbers. If there is no B such that A < B < C, then A and C are not distinct aka they are the same number. There is no real number between the infinite decimal expansion of 0.9999... and 1, therefore 0.9999... is equal to 1.
@KarmaPeny
@KarmaPeny 3 года назад
​@@headlibrarian1996 I'll reproduce my answer from the other video as it explains my position regarding your point.... First of all, you can't start by expecting everyone to accept that 0.999... is a 'real number' because it is the concept of real numbers that is in dispute. Most people accept geometric series so why not start there? Even some mathematicians reject real numbers, most notably Professor N J Wildberger who has produced many RU-vid videos on the subject. We can easily explain why 0.999... cannot equate to a constant: if it was a constant then it would have to have a 'last non-zero term' which it supposedly does not. The notion that a constant can have endless non-zero terms and be a static not-changing entity is clearly absurd to me (maybe not to you). Therefore your starting assumption that 0.999... is some constant value that is less than or equal to 1 is based on what I consider to be a false premise. We can compare nth sums of series but not 'sums to infinity' because there is no such thing as 'infinity' let alone an 'infinite sum'. With respect to nth sums, we can say that half way between 1 and 0.999... is the series 95/100 + 45/1000 + 45/10000 + ... and if we subtract 0.999... from 1 we get the series 1/10 - 9/100 - 9/1000 - ... In your formal argument you extensively refer to the nth sum, resulting in your claim that 1 - x needs to be between 0 and 1/10^n. Since you have worked with respect to the nth sum you can't suddenly change the rules and claim that x is not an nth sum but a so-called 'infinite sum'. We can find as many series as we like where 1 - (nth sum) is always between 0 and 1/10^n. Next you claim that we can replace 1/10^n with 0, presumably by going to infinity, which is another absurdity. After multiple absurd assumptions you conclude that 1 - x has to be zero therefore x = 1. No follower of Professor Wildberger is going to accept your argument and so you have not settled the debate. Even if we abandon the decimal system and just work with series then we still have the main dispute which is what does the series 9/10 + 9/100 + ... actually mean (or what does any series mean for that matter). For a lay person with what I call a 'practical mindset', the description of what a numeric symbol actually means needs to refer to things that can/could exist in our shared physical reality. For example, say we plan to cross the road by jumping nine tenths of the distance, then 9 tenths of the remaining distance and so on. By following this plan (or algorithm) we are never going to reach the other side. We can't make our plan reach the other side by simply defining the plan to be equal to reaching the other side. Therefore to a lay person who thinks of 0.999... as being an algorithm, it makes no sense to define it to be equal to the distance which that algorithm can never reach. It makes far more sense to say that the algorithm can never be equal to the limit. If a computer screen plots the diagonal of a unit square it will plot a finite amount of pixels; it will not plot 'the square root of two' amount of pixels. This is because the square root of two is an algorithm rather than a constant. Any endless series of non-zero terms cannot be said to equate to a constant. There would have to be a last term in order for it to be a constant. For people with my type of mindset this is blatantly obvious and you are never going to convince us otherwise by asking us to accept a bunch of weird and supposedly 'abstract' concepts supported by definitions and rules that have no meaning in the real world. Consider an attempt to show that 0.333... equals 1/3. The common epsilon argument amounts to this: give me any point before one third and I can give you an nth term (of the sequence 0.3, 0.33. 0.333, ...) that is closer to 1/3 than your point. [This appears to indicate equality] But the opposite argument is this: give me any nth term and I can give you a point that is closer to 1/3 than your nth term. [This appears to indicate inequality] These two arguments appear to indicate that the sequence cannot end before 1/3 and it cannot end at 1/3. In other words, they indicate that 0.333... represents an algorithm (like a finite computer program that loops) rather than a constant value. For most of our history (i.e. before 1594) it was accepted that 1/3 could not be expressed in its entirety in base 10. If we divide 1 by 3 then at each stage of the division process we get a remainder of 1/(3x10^n). Since this remainder is always greater than zero, one third can never be expressed in base 10. And so for those of us that apply real world logic instead of imagining we can go to infinity, 0.999... cannot equal 1 and 0.333... cannot equal 1/3. Endless series represent algorithms not constants.
@cpotisch
@cpotisch 3 года назад
Everyone, this guy is notorious for literally rejecting all accepted mathematics. It’s pointless to talk to him.
@lawliet2263
@lawliet2263 2 года назад
This guy looks English
@jamescoughlin8856
@jamescoughlin8856 3 года назад
but as a conditionally convergent series, this sum is not unique. A rearrangement would lead to a different sum. Both the positive part and the negative part of this series are infinite in magnitude. According to Riemann's theorem, we can find a rearrangement that sums to ANY real number. So that one particular rearrangement is ln 2 is to be expected, that can be said of every conditionally convergent series.
@banana6108
@banana6108 3 года назад
Hi
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Hello :)
@RichardKCollins
@RichardKCollins 3 года назад
On "speed", I turn off the sound, turn on the captions, set the speed to one quarter, and don't look at you gesturing. Plenty of time and fewer distractions. Highly recommend using screen videos. Work out your presentation on the computer, record as you go. Explain the steps and move the pieces around yourself in real time. It takes some preparation and you can do it by editing too. But I find talking heads mostly useless and distracting. You are putting your face between the people and the material. Metaphorically sit beside them and let them see the same screen that you do. Whisper in their ear or write your explanation. If the caption is well written the Google translate can convert the whole (taken is pieces because they have a size limit) caption listing and translate it to other languages. They are getting better and anything in the other languages is better than none. The chance of your spoken English to text and the translated to other languages -- coming out even close -- is small. You could do these same exercises, demonstrations, walk-throughs, verifications, checks, proofs, examples -- on a web page that supports symbolic mathematics with integrated simulations and visualizations (more than simple graphs). Numerics are not bad. You used that mentally when you said every term (1/(1+x)) would be smaller than the corresponding 1/x. But you could have showed the actual values. In real problems in engineering, sciences, economics, finance, budgeting, planning, project and device design and myriad other places, you will have to also do the quantitative demonstrations - for yourself and others. I am looking at all mathematics on the Internet - all of the tools, people, uses. This video presentation has to go into human eyes and minds. And in the minds find matching resonances (memories that are close). But with you in between, the people are not doing it themselves, except those who know how to do it by paper and pencil. Or rarely who have a symbolic math tool they can afford and is not so bloated it takes forever to learn or afford or use. Don't tell people how to fish, or show them pictures of fish and fishing - give them fishing poles, some hooks and bait, directions to where to fish, and give them a community of others doing the same thing. RU-vid only has this clunky blog thing. No index, no faqs, no collaboration, no building something together. There are horrific problems in the world, and people are only sharing words about the problems, not sharing the data and tools and organizations to map ans solve the problems. You know some of them. And truthfully, most of the posed mathematical problems only have value in the real world when the insights and more efficient methods help save lives, assure the survival of the human species, teach not hundreds or thousands - but billions of people who need better skills, better tools, and efficient project management for the really large, hard, but not impossible problems of the world. I am working on "covid" which has 7.5 billion entries on the Internet. That is mostly massive duplicates and variations on a core of a few hundred pages of knowledge and essential guidelines. Think about the problem of 4.8 Billion people who have some access to the Internet. They search for "covid" related things and get 7.5 Billions starting points and an almost infinite number of pathways. None of the material is traceable (much of it). Now you or I might spend hours or days or months tracing out tiny pieces, and sometimes we can find the author and tools and data and check things. But that level of diligence, and that amount of time and effort and skill - must be multiplied by the number of potential views (4.8 Billion) to get an estimate of the cost of our current messy Internet on society. "mathematics" on the Internet has 320 Million entry points. Many mouths shouting -- "I can tell you about mathematics". It is not good for society as a whole when all the mathematicians in the world are not working together - not to create a monopoly on tools and methods, jobs and applications - but to document what is known, what is being worked on, and share it - in the form of tools that new generations can use. I am working on "atomic fuels", "faster than light communication", "global climate change", "solar system colonization" and many thousands of similar topics. 7.8 Billion people is a lot of people and human time. The basic human brain is capable of much more than we ever require of it. And it can grow and stretch with good training data sets and tools for exploring and visualizing. You show symbolic mathematical steps. But your could have the computer do it, and let people step though the formal symbolic substitutions and operations to see how they are done. The processes of the steps are the product of some human learning of what is important to do when comparing quantities, structures and patterns. We should not make billions of people learn by rote listening to talking heads, but give them real tools and real data. dissemination If a paper is good, then millions might read it. But if it is poorly written, and it takes hours or days or weeks to understand just the pieces, then it is a burden on all those reader that has quantifiable economic and social impact. For covid, the delays mean 200,000 deaths each month. Just because the world is playing that game of "whisper" or "telephone" where a child whispers something in the ear of the next, and it gets repeated many times, - coming out garbled at the end. It always is garbled. For children at a birthday party it is a big laugh. But when millions of lives depend on something and the people involved all over the earth persist in sending "papers" to each other, rather than putting tools and data and models and active communities online -- it is just sad. Thank you, I like your skills and efforts, but I think you could also help with problems in the world. Training, not entertaining, people to use math for serious problems would help. Not memorizing steps, but finding and using good tools that can be used for global scale problems . Richard K Collins, Director, The Internet Foundation
@harshs6689
@harshs6689 3 года назад
early yayy
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
Thanks for being here!
@techwithpie
@techwithpie 2 года назад
this is wrong
@kaveeshwaragayanath1863
@kaveeshwaragayanath1863 3 года назад
Please make the video for sum of 1-1+1-1+………………………
@licht4808
@licht4808 3 года назад
1-1+1-1+1... is divergent.
@MithicSpirit
@MithicSpirit 3 года назад
In the meantime, this video covers it quite well: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YuIIjLr6vUA.html
@MithicSpirit
@MithicSpirit 3 года назад
@@licht4808 He probably means the Riemann Sum
@Noname-67
@Noname-67 3 года назад
You said that a series is convergent because they approach 0 and each term is smaller than the previous is wrong. I find it ironic since you're talking about the alternating harmonic series while the normal harmonic series is divergent.
@jatloe
@jatloe 3 года назад
Alternating series do behave that way. The harmonic series is not alternating.
@BriTheMathGuy
@BriTheMathGuy 3 года назад
It's true for *alternating* series :)
@xavier3153
@xavier3153 3 года назад
@@BriTheMathGuy How many pythagorean triplets "A","B" and "C",where "A","B" and "C" are natural numbers exists such that "A","B" and" C" are in geometric progression
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 3 года назад
4:08
@AstroB7
@AstroB7 3 года назад
Damn, man I love you
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 3 года назад
@@AstroB7 Love you too, Astro
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