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This Sun Shade Sail Install is Going Strong 3 Years Later - What I've Learned

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Here we review my original sun shade install designs, which are holding up great, but I've also made some improvements that work even better.
Here's the original video: • Sun Shade Sail Install...
Here is a Sun Shade Sail better than the one I'm using: amzn.to/3HmwhLY
This Video was shot with a Sony ZV-1 Digital Camera: amzn.to/3jhfiPO
WARNING: This video is only for entertainment purposes. If you rely on the information portrayed in this video, you assume the responsibility for the results. Have fun, but always think ahead, and remember that every project you try is at YOUR OWN RISK.
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@docjody8624 10 месяцев назад

THANK YOU! You saved me a ton of $$$ and time, not having to buy 4x4 lumber and tons of concrete, no digging holes. Metal conduit brilliant idea, easy install. God bless you!

@MakeItorBreakItNow 9 месяцев назад

You're welcome docjody, always glad to help. You might also be interested in this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Cj_g47tRYww.html putting up LED lights using a similar concept.

@mariarubio1850 7 дней назад

metal and lightning??

@shreyashpatel1588 Год назад

Electrical fish tape will last over 10 years in strong sun all day. I have used it in my yard and still going strong over 16 years. Thanks.

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Great idea, thanks for sharing. I used this galvanized wiring on my lights and its also holding up great. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Cj_g47tRYww.html

@pearlperlitavenegas2023 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing I live in DallasTX the sun 🌞 is no joke here

@Mr.Beastforpresident 11 месяцев назад

What brand and size?

@shreyashpatel1588 11 месяцев назад

I don't think brand matters but 1/2 inch is thick enough. I myself have 3/4 inch tape and that can handle lot of weight.

@docjody8624 7 дней назад

What exactly are you using Electrical Fish Tape for in this system?

@ritareilly8548 11 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for sharing your experience!!!

@MakeItorBreakItNow 11 месяцев назад

Rita, you're welcome. Still going strong, here's the year 4 video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qHS3AH6pyWM.html

@barryparks8055 11 месяцев назад

Some useful ideas. Many thanks!

@MakeItorBreakItNow 10 месяцев назад

You're welcome Barry, thanks for leaving a comment.

@calc1588 Год назад

Great tips - helped me out beyond comprehension. TY

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Cal C. Glad it was helpful! You might be interested in this video, its the newest addition to our deck: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nU1NgdZ3P6o.html

@pdfico 11 месяцев назад

I’m always amazed at videos like this. I mean this guy must have seen other examples of properly installed sail shades. He must have noticed the difference in quality between his debacle and a real craftsman. Yet he’s still talks into the camera like he’s some sort of competent craftsman. Amazing

@MakeItorBreakItNow 11 месяцев назад

Nope

@serenityjewel 10 месяцев назад

❤ I'm so sorry you're not ok. I hope you find lasting happiness and joy soon.

@sannunaveen3941 Год назад

True shade sail tutorial!

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Thanks Sannu!

@tialorenna6603 Год назад

Great video! Very informative and hilarious 😂 in a dad joke kinda way. Currently trying to set up a tarp and we were struggling, hopefully this'll help

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Tia, Good luck! Yeah, can't help it. I'm a Dad. You might like new video where we build a steel gazebo: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nU1NgdZ3P6o.html

@randymarshall1267 11 месяцев назад

Awesome job

@MakeItorBreakItNow 10 месяцев назад

Thanks Randy. I'm really pleased with this sail installation. You might also be interested in the LED lighting I added last year. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Cj_g47tRYww.html

@southwest7977 9 месяцев назад

I hooked two corners with the same spring clips. The other two I set up tautlines that connected to the sail. Tied the other ends to my fence and shed. Cotton rope allows it to stretch in high winds but I can use the knot to periodically tighten up. I’m sure that I will have to replace the rope every couple years.

@MakeItorBreakItNow 9 месяцев назад

Wow, some interesting suggestions. Thanks for sharing.

@amyreaves2166 Год назад

Good job!

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Thanks Amy!

@pasztoradam1988 Год назад

I had people telling me, these might not be that durable, you just convinced me otherwise, thanks !

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Yup, they're holding up grea, this is the 4th season so far...

@cindybledsoe8878 Год назад

Outstanding

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Thanks Cindy, you might also like this video on deck lighting: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Cj_g47tRYww.html I'll have a follow on video on how to control these lights.

@agenticmark 9 месяцев назад

Just like in sailing, reducing friction and supporting stress points is precisely the right thing to do. Good on those clips! Now learn how to back braid that bitter end and it will look sharp! Also pick up some general non-slip knots like the bowline.

@MakeItorBreakItNow 9 месяцев назад

Good points, I know the bowline and actually used it later when I modded the installation.

@ssr4656 10 месяцев назад

I'm not an engineer but I don't see the rope being wrapped around the pole adding any strength to the conduit, maybe you can explain the added strength? Great video Sir!

@MakeItorBreakItNow 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for your question. Its a compression thing along a distributed load. I'll have to search my books and see if I can get a more technical answer.

@ssr4656 10 месяцев назад

@@MakeItorBreakItNow Very interesting, thanks for the quick answer!

@Majikdiva Месяц назад

You are very creative with the pole ....i like that !!!! Diy...Diy....

@MakeItorBreakItNow 28 дней назад

Thank you! 😊I just put the same sails up last weekend, now on year 5. I made a couple changes, stay tuned for the new video coming soon.

@mariabaumgartel766 Год назад

Appreciate the close-up & description of basic parts. You might want to slow down & show the assembled parts longer for us beginners. Thank you, video is very helpful.

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Maria, thanks for the feedback. Will be updating my LED lighting and will slow down just like you suggested. Here's that video see what you think. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Cj_g47tRYww.html

@isabellavision Год назад

@Maria Baumgartel There are times in many videos when I wish the presenter would move slower and also sometimes faster-- I click the cogwheel at the bottom right of the video and change the "playback speed"-- experiment with that if you haven't, it's been a game-changer for me.

@tinarodriguez9120 Год назад

Thank you

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Tina, you're welcome, the sails are still going strong. I have LED lighting video I will be updating this installation you might be interested in: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Cj_g47tRYww.html

@peterGnash Год назад

Great video, thanks! Is this set up winter proof?

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Yes, it is! Depending on where you live and how much snow you get. We leave ours out from March through late November most years...

@dnavanlith77 Год назад

Cool ideas! Did you use EMT or rigid conduit?

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

EMT conduit, hollow on the inside.

@docjody8624 7 дней назад

9-month update: Nope! Recent "microburst" storm (brief 80-mph winds) wrecked my deck's Shade Sail System. Recommended 10-ft. galvanized conduit metal poles bent to nearly 45-degrees, one split open. Storm was sudden-- no time to lower sails, alas. Now rebuilding w/ SQUARE 1-1/2-inch 10-gauge steel 8-ft. Poles. Will design new System at a low enough height to remove Sails QUICKLY for fast storms (w/out wasting time to grab step stool). How to "best" attach square poles to these 4x4 treated lumber Deck Uprights?

@rhetta3504 6 месяцев назад

Brilliant!!..Mastermind!!🧠

@MakeItorBreakItNow 6 месяцев назад

Thanks, this design seems to holding up well, I just took them down after the fourth year. Think I might get a 5th year out of the set...

@docjody8624 10 месяцев назад

Brilliant. Those metal Conduits, for some odd reason, look greater than 1-in. in diameter. Can you provide Specs such that I buy the correct type? Thank you!

@MakeItorBreakItNow 10 месяцев назад

Thanks, interesting. I just went out with some calipers and remeasured, 1.1695 inches. I recall on metal conduit the 1" refers to the inner diameter of the pipe.

@MrGameOwnage 8 месяцев назад

Hey mate! I'm thinking about attaching a pole to a 1.7m timber fence post. The pole would add 0.7m above the fence. I'm told by construction store staff that the fence post isn't strong enough for that. But your setup looks like it has even less foundation strength than that and it's clearly working. Do you think my fence would be fine and not experience bend over time?

@MakeItorBreakItNow 8 месяцев назад

If your fence post is tied into a fence similar to my railing you should be fine. I'm an aerospace engineer by profession so I know a bit about structures, particulary lightweight but strong structures. occassionally I'll get comments that my rig won't work and it will fail. Well +4 years later and its going strong and looks as good as it did on day 1. And trust me its been tested by 60-80 mph winds, hail, gusts and still going strong.

@Fulblade Год назад

Good video

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Thanks, one of my favorite movies BTW, even if some people don't get it...

@ocean1233 Год назад

Please let me know ...what is the size of the eye screw you used? I want to use stainless steel with a large enough eye...long enough to hold. Also...I am placeing 10' EMT Counduit and will drill a few holes. What size eyebolt /washer /nut should I buy? Thank you

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Paula, The eyebolts I used were 5/16in X 4 in. 5/16 inch hardware both washers and nuts. Here's my original video with those details: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-is590oV_PLE.html

@ocean1233 Год назад

@@MakeItorBreakItNow THANK YOU .. I am ordering my materials now👍

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

@@ocean1233 good luck, let me know how it turns out for you.

@thaixeon76 Год назад

you'd want to Cap the galvanized post or water Will fill up inside and rust will weaken and eventually snap with tension

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

I thought about it, but the poles are not sealed on the bottom so the water runs straight through.

@marelleq1506 9 месяцев назад

Before I mounted I added leather straps to the hook area in other words I on the 12th tape I put leather straps over it and sewed the attachment directly to the shade sale so they had that reinforcement that has made a huge difference

@marelleq1506 9 месяцев назад

That would be over the twill tape

@MakeItorBreakItNow 9 месяцев назад

wow, great idea, thanks for sharing!

@djamburere 10 месяцев назад

🎉 thanks

@MakeItorBreakItNow 10 месяцев назад

you're welcome.

@galacticjunkyard1054 11 месяцев назад

Would a post cemented in a wooden half barrel be able to hold up a sun shade? The other sides would be attached to a pergola.

@MakeItorBreakItNow 11 месяцев назад

I would think so. This design works spite the critics who have posted negative comments here. Being an aerospace engineer, and sailer, I design things differently than most. Because the shades are perforated to some extent, they don't carry the wind load as other materials would, hense limited reason to over design as some have with these...

@BrianJonesSr 10 месяцев назад

That is the solution i use, although you will still need at least on guy wire going to the ground to get enough tension on the sail and to avoid having the barrel fall over during winds. Also, i ended up having to switch from standard yard stakes to the anchor types uses with trampolines because i have higher winds in my yard.

@adampark8341 2 часа назад

U should’ve used the ratchet anchor attachment

@AnAvidReader-sj7bt Год назад

Do you think Tposts would be an acceptable alternative to the pipes? I need to sink them into dirt.

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Are talking about something like this: amzn.to/40fazS2 I yes then I'd say sure if you got them long enough. I used these post in a grape arbor and then attached the conduit to this to compliment their strengths...

@AnAvidReader-sj7bt Год назад

@@MakeItorBreakItNow okay cool - I’d actually use the heartier cousin of that kind. They don’t have the U or the holes. Thank so much! This will save us a lot of money and give a lot of relief on a south-facing porch!

@_DixonCider Год назад

If you replace the natural rope with steel cable or synthetic rope they will last much longer.

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Dixon Cider, very true. The sails came with synthetic rope. Steel cable ends can be a different level of DIY for some, But to your point chain would work also...

@Glidedon 9 месяцев назад

Use ropes from sailboat sails . They don’t stretch and are sun resistant.

@TheScottiedawg319 Год назад

What type of poles are you using and how far down do you put them in the ground??

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

1 inch steel conduit, none of the poles are in the ground. Thy're mounted on the deck railings. The first video goes more into the construction. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-is590oV_PLE.html

@1252PFC 9 месяцев назад

Can you make a video on how you built the camera rig at the 9:20 mark? Thanks.

@MakeItorBreakItNow 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for the suggestion, stay tuned you should see the video soon.

@evapantaleoni1405 21 день назад

Would this system work on a terrace hit by high wind? I can't install a "real" gazebo to the terrace with bolts and such. I can't even put barrels! I thought to tie poles to the rail, but I am told a sail would fly everything out. So, I thought to put a series of smaller "slices" of cloths to provide shade but let the wind go through. Am I completely off track ?!

@MakeItorBreakItNow 16 дней назад

I think it would work, this setup has been hit by winds over 70 mph, hail, and tons of rain and are still going strong: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TWK4CpoxonU.html

@kleineroteHex Год назад

you can come over and help me get my sail right - your poles are genius - nothing seems to fit our present structure. What sort of poles did you use?

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

one inch electrical conduit pipe from Home Depot, not a sponsor, Lowes has them too, pretty much any store that has electrical DIY project stuff.

@frankcampos1251 Год назад

Why didn’t you just buy the hanging connector kit for the shade sail? Also, you can the shade sail with reinforced “D” loops at the attachment points and use stainless cabling. This would have simplified your installation and durability.

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Thanks Frank. Good points, maybe I'll do the D loops for the next set of sails. Wanted to try a simplier installation forst that others could more easily follow. I did use steel cabling on my LED strings though...ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Cj_g47tRYww.html

@frankcampos1251 11 месяцев назад

@@MakeItorBreakItNow I think your explanation was very straight forward and I like how you did your patio lights. Will definitely try this. Thanks for the reply.

@Tsuki7786 Год назад

Hi, so I'm a don't want to wait for a man to doi kinda woman 😅 and try and do lots... however this bolt into side of house part I can't wrap my head around. Is there a specific spot for side of the house and how does it work for a 2 story home. I have aluminum rod fence perimeter and a 10ft tree about 10' away from house and center of yard. Could you please tell me what I'm looking for as the perfect spot and how difficult is it to get the eye bolt in? Thank you for your help

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

First of all, good for you, like your attitude! I'm tying into the wood under my main roof called the soffit. There should be some structure there to tie into. I wouldn't put an eye bolt into the tree. You could just wrap the line around the trunk at whatever level you desired.

@MasonSanchez. 10 месяцев назад

Thanks Dad. ❤

@MakeItorBreakItNow 10 месяцев назад

okay...

@MasonSanchez. 10 месяцев назад

@@MakeItorBreakItNow Lol Just saying. I watched almost this whole video, and all I could think after I watched most of it was “Thanks Dad.” Very insightful, just like my Dad would have showed and explained to me. ❤ 😂

@jennycarpenter3745 Год назад

How does that work in the rain. Does the water pool in the center?

@indyguy5570 Год назад

Jenny, if you slant the sail downward a little as it should be the water will run off the sail and not collect. It should not be flat at all 4 corners so the slope is what allows the draining. Also the tighter the sail is the better it will drain off as well. Hope this helps.

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Jenny, agree on all the above. Also through the season you might have to tighten the lines a bit.

@debdeb5093 Год назад

Thx

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Deb Deb, you're welcome. Thanks for the comment.

@frankuribe3662 Год назад

What size poles did you use, what's thickness

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Frank, 1 inch diameter metal conduit. Here is the original video where I built the system: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-is590oV_PLE.html

@thesilentgeneration Месяц назад

I have an all metal roof that heats up my house beyond belief. Using paint is just too much for me, I'm 78 years old. But, I need to cover my roof with something to block the sun that will last for years. My roof is about 35X40 feet. I am looking for something economical. The sun here in the Philippines is relentless.

@MakeItorBreakItNow Месяц назад

These could work. In that level of sun exposure they might only last a year or two though, but probably worth is. Love the Philippines BTW, a wonderful place.

@Awyzemanoncesaid 2 месяца назад

I am in the middle of installing a couple of these and have been reading a lot on how to do it. Your conduit attachment points are not close to what is recommended. You claim this system works but I don’t see your leaning metal pipe staying secure on even a breezy day. If you are installing one of these sails I recommend reading material from other sources and decide for yourself how to proceed. I would not feel safe under these sails on a gusty day, likely get smacked in the face by a spring clip or strangled by a piece of broken rope.

@MakeItorBreakItNow 2 месяца назад

The proof is here, working on year five, these had endured heavy hail several times and wind gusts up over 70 miles an hr well over a dozen times and still look as good as the day I installed them.

@sambro9134 3 дня назад

A bit dramatic. Geezus. 🙄

@stanleydrive740 10 месяцев назад

How do you clean them?

@MakeItorBreakItNow 10 месяцев назад

The rain seems to take care of that. Amazing really how well nature cooperates in this area. Eating my garden and plants, not so much. The sails also terrify squirrels and birds, they avoid them like the plague...

@unionse7en Год назад

good video. This Mechanical Engineer wants to see the Free Body Diagram on how wrapping a mast can possibly add significant strength or stiffness to the mast. ;-)

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

FBD, now that's not a term I've heard for a while, thanks for the memory, brings me back to my flight test days...

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

You might also like this video where I added multicolor LED lights to this deck a month or so ago: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Cj_g47tRYww.html

@desert-walker 2 месяца назад

Well, the less comments were six and eight months ago or seven whatever guess I’m late to the game but anyway, those would only last about one year here in Tucson the sun would destroy it after year, and it would start ripping and disintegrating, so I finally went with a metal roof and I made a little post and 2 x 4 frame to hold it up kinda like a carportworks great

@MakeItorBreakItNow 2 месяца назад

Interesting. Agree the Tucson sun is hot for sure.

@isabellavision Год назад

great info, cool ideas (pun intended)... and the background music of your first video on this topic is not missed. Much better without it!

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Thanks for the feedback, I'm only using music at the end of my videos now. Trends seem to change over time...

@isabellavision Год назад

@@MakeItorBreakItNow Yours wasn't bad, it's just better without the unnecessary background music, I like the trend now, good job.

@thomaswilliam630 6 месяцев назад

Use chain for longevity

@MakeItorBreakItNow 6 месяцев назад

Good suggestion, although I jsut finished up year 4 and only replaced one line with paracord. If I get 5 years out of these sails I'll be happy.

@wickedkarma Месяц назад

A great tip is to use trampoline springs. It will allow the sail to stay taught, but also in crazy winds it gives it a little play and then snaps it back in place.

@MakeItorBreakItNow Месяц назад

That's a great idea, thanks for sharing. I might try installing those this year.

@danielsun7298 10 месяцев назад

What a mess too much rigging but it works !!

@MakeItorBreakItNow 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for your comment. We all have our ways of doing things for sure.

@dcpowerdavid Год назад

Either there is no wind where you live, or this was just put up for the video. Those stays wouldnt hold up in a mild wind.

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

Well the evidence proves otherwise. This setup has seen winds in excess of 60 mph several times and we regularly experience winds in the 20-25 mph range... 4 years and still going strong.

@d.j.vandermeer3832 Год назад

Learn how to use a sail on a sailboat. The material used on a sailboat can stand heavy windforce.

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

D.J. van der Meer, agree, I've sailed all sorts of boats big and small, but all the sails were pretty strong, except for spinnakers, I've seen those shred by the dozen on certain races...

@d.j.vandermeer3832 Год назад

@@MakeItorBreakItNow I only sail on small boats (Falcon) on Dutch lakes with a jib and main sail but yes the spinnakers are easily gone. But they get a lot when sailing by the lee.

@MakeItorBreakItNow Год назад

@@d.j.vandermeer3832 yes they do, its great to feel a boat go up on plane with a spinnaker. Tacking can be fun too.

@retired_mex 10 месяцев назад

wrapping the pole does nothing to increase the stiffness of that support… NOTHING

@MakeItorBreakItNow 10 месяцев назад

okay, thanks.

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