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"Riots in china is very rare" maybe this is the reason why we Filipinos can fight even some us are untrained because riots and brawls are common here. When I was a kid, I wonder why chinese who visit Philippines was beaten by some average bystanders since chinese knows kung fu. Now I know, because kung fu is ineffective.
Old people are generally quite tidy and seeing as the only reason to do this is to keep your joints supple and active as you age then the fact its clean kinda makes sence
I know why xu chooses not to fight "students" of these masters. Because it allows for ringers to happen. I suspect that a master would hire an actual fighter, not his own students to fight xu. And lets say xu does win, then people would just say "nah he only won because the student is just that a student, he is only still learning, inexperience, doesnt encompass or entail the chinese martial arts that i teach". anyways choosing to fight a "student" allows for a lot of variables unforeseen, allows for alot of underhanded things to happen behind the scenes. And i expect that some of these chinese martial artist have a lot of money. And considering how much information is censored in china, the likelihood of the people finding about a ringer is even less likely. Side note. that zhou hon chun guy is only a tai chi master till he gets beat/loses to xu. Then tai chi community will just say that master is a fake, a fraud who doesnt know TRUE tai chi. that seems to be the repeating follow up whenever one of these tai chi masters get beat.
@rrobertt13 That's more about pedantry. You know how toward the end the USSR kept telling it's population that in another 20 years or so we'll achieve communism?
Wrong for the most part Tai Chi students become disciples in an official ceremony: it would be simple to determine whether the person was an actual student or not. Two if Xiaodong beat a student or a disciple then he would be earning the right to actually challenge the head teacher!!
@@FightCommentary is there some reason you refuse to make a fight commentary breakdown on an actual combat Tai Chi practitioner like Sun Yang (Chen Practical Method) Muay Thai fight (longer version) instead of just showing how Tai Chi for health is often lacking in the transmission of the combat aspects of Tai Chi? I think you must be confused as to the difference between Tai Chi for health (Lei Lei) as oppossed to combat Tai Chi practitioners like Chen Zhongua, Liang de Hua or Adam Mizner. What you are doing is akin to lumping Yoga into the same category as Kalaripayat , when history shows they diverged centuries ago!!
Oh wait, important update everyone he gave us his *LINEAGE*: Some Guy With No Fight Record taught Some Other Guy With No Fight Record and "modernized" it. That sounds awfully dangerous and totally not a weird thing TCMA guys are fixated on for no reason.
nah hes deadly,, if you don't believe him,, he will show you his gun,,,thats a sign of a true martial arts master,, so confident in his abilitys he carrys a gun.
Well this is repetitive. A master says he can beat Xu. Xu beats him. That master then blames on diet, bad day, bad Feng Shui, etc. Then another master says he can beat Xu. Then it becomes a cycle. They never realize. You spend your time doing something, you get good at it. You learn boxing, get in the ring, have some sparring, then become good at punching someone in the face. You learn Muay/MMA, get into some street fights, have some injuries, then become good at K.Oing someone on the street. You learn dancing with staff/sword, playing with wooden dummies, then you will be good at just that. When a TMA pratitioner and a MMA practitioner get in the ring to have a KO match, it is always a losing fight for the TMA one.
Street fights aren't anything like fights in a cage, when you're fighting on the street the other guy doesn't even know how to throw a punch, much less an elbow or a head kick... Come to think of it, it's kind of like fighting one of these Bullshido Masters
Don't forget the classic _"He's a fake and not a true master!"_ excuse that gets peddled. The guy that got knocked out in 11 seconds was training since he was only seven years old and comes from multiple generations of Tai Chi practitioners, but those armchair experts ruled him as a "fake" solely cause he got exposed by Xu Xiaodong.
We all want our sacrifices and investments to be worth something. When I was a kid, I swore by Nintendo and Nintendo only. I never wanted to admit that PS2 or XBox could also have good games. Once you've sunk a lot of time, effort, and money into something, your brain tricks itself into thinking it was all worth it.
Think of a fine artist who suddenly has to paint a house. They may be a very accomplished painter, but unable to quickly and evenly paint a house compared to some guy who normally paints houses but couldn't paint a realistic tree or something... or, somebody who designs rocket ships might never be physically able to fly in one, while the pilot could never build a rocket. Both are technically in the rocket ship business but they aren't exactly equivalent.
@@Orimthekeyacolite well i mean, okay if from the analogy seems like trying to say "both sides are okay, both sides are real, playing with paint" but i mean the problem is if you are artist don't say you can paint house better and the other way around. Sorry for bad English.
@@praditiaiksan5298 but, maybe you can have some different martial knowledge. Say you have a hundred equal men, give half some training from the old man who can no longer fight and then let them battle. Now you see the old man's value. Like Mike Tyson without his manager. War and fighting and life in general is not simple. One can win every exchange but still lose in certain circumstances.
In my humble opinion, I think it is appropriate for Xu to challenge these Masters. In the old-old school karate tradition it would be called a dojo-yaburi or dojo challenge, in which the challenger makes a formal challenge to the dojo and fights everyone one-by-one. From the absolute beginner to the novice, to the intermediate, then the advanced students, and then finally the senior instructors. If he wins he simply thanks everyone for their time and then leaves. If he loses then by tradition he may stay and become a student. Another way of challenging another dojo would be to assemble a five man team and challenge another dojo with their five students. And these ten students then fight each other one-by-one as a means to prove the school's training methods and their martial art. So do I think it is appropriate for Xu to go around and challenge Masters - absolutely yes - but the big question is what is the protocol?
Its funny, because these TMA guys think this IS their prime. Whenever someone who’s trained for “only” a few years loses, we’re told its because they havent had time to perfect their technique.
@@sarban1653 or he's a fake tai chi master, or he was deprived of a fourth course to his meal the night before, or it would have been different if it were in da streetz, or if he weren't a vegetarian...
Even the way he used that spear was pathetic. You're supposed to use the spear with alot of vigor and rapid movements but this guy is as sloppy and as slow as molasses.
@@BD90.. Don't need to take my word for it. This video is what I mean about display of vigor, control, precision and movement. Please take into account this is WuShu and it's designed to be very showy and entertain. However when it comes to passing your Staff or spear tests you have to show this level of control, vigor and movement for your Sifu to pass you. If you don't, it's automatic fail in their eyes. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yzJis7VvORY.html This one is a video of a Shaolin Monk displaying spear technique. Same thing, you see vigor, control and precision. The end of the spear point must travel in a STRAIGHT line and never curved or bend in a sloppy manner. When you whip the spear then you MUST show the spear bend to develop that whipping power. If you fail in doing any of those, you fail. If you watch that so called master use his spear at 0:06 watch the end of the spear point, its not traveling in a straight line forward and back into his hand. He is SLOPPY, lacks control and precision of movement. This guy is a fraud, no Sifu from the old days would ever pass this fool.
Also in Kung Fu culture, the staff is the first weapon you ever learn and the staff techniques you learn there passes on to the spear. This is why if you can't control the spear that means you never mastered the Staff in the first place. I used to do Kung Fu and it was mandatory that you do your staff techniques properly, in Staff training the whipping of the staff is absolutely vital. You literally had to develop so much power at the end of the staff that your staff bends completely. If you fail to do this, you fail to pass. Don't think the staff is flimsy either, its thick and tough.
This is going to be long, so I apologize up front. I've been watching the debate on MMA vs traditional for sometime. So maybe a slightly different view. Sometimes people negatively comment about listing the "credentials" but my own path may give me a slightly different perspective. I'm nearly sixty, and I've been fighting for 55 years of that time. My dad was a boxer, GG and Army and coached boxing, I started boxing when I was 5. I grew up in one of the worst parts of East Los Angeles where fighting was a regular occurrence, even in the 60's. I boxed until I was 17, and when a small Kwoon (dojo) opened in town, I started studying 5 animal style Kung Fu of the Ark Wong lineage. After a few months of studying forms I absolutely thought, this is great but when do we learn to fight. So coming from a boxing background FIRST definitely changed my view on learning kung fu. But the sifu, Gilbert Bates, was also a PhD in Asian philosophy, so I started reading everything I could find as well, and stuck with it. And I began to see that the "fight"...was in there. Later I studied Northern Shaolin Kung Fu, fought full and semi contact karate tournaments in the early 80's, I worked in bars for over a decade in my twenties and early thirties, and again, fights were common. After losing to an akijutsu guy (not akido...great ground fighter), I started studying Katori Shinto Ryu in a very traditional setting (hard to find in those days), and again, the boxing foundation gave me a slightly different take on how the hand to hand waza, might be applied in a street fight. And I ended up being one of the first Americans to learn Genbukan Togakure ryu ninpo. Oh No! Not one of those guys LOL. Yeah, a lot of what is shown now seems watered down to me, my training was different. Before judging, I suggest searching AKBAN on youtube. So whats the point? First, I'm a huge UFC fan, from day one when there were no rules, and by accident, my own approach is mixed. One of the observations made back when Karate tournaments were all you had...street fights usually end up on the ground. You need to spar, or fight. There are two mental barriers you need to break through. The first time you reaize someone is trying to hit you and...the first time you realize this guy is trying to kill me. All of the fights I've seen with Xu Xiaodong, I've had the same thought. This is the first time this guy has been hit. They turn their head, step back when they should step in. And the same for a lot of other videos involved in the debate. "Everyone has a plan until they get hit" - Mike Tyson. So do traditional styles "suck" . We forget that China and Japan both went through cultural revolutions designed in part, to take the fight out of fighting. In Japan, Jutsu (skills) became "do" (the way ). Kung Fu became Wushu. That doesnt mean that the arts themselves, are not combat effective. People have been killing each other with their hands since day one. It stands to reason that they developed efficient ways of doing so. Look for the "fight" in what youre learning, I dont care what it is. Is chi fake. In all these years, I've never seen someone defeat a resisting opponent by waving their hand and they guy drops. BUT...I have experienced being hit with a force that was disproportional to the mass and bio-mechanics involved. I believe that Chi exists. Its the difference between living wood and dead wood. More importantly, we diminish ourselves as human beings when we dismiss the esoteric. Regardless of your style or religion, I recommend reading the Shingon texts by the Monk Kukai. Will a lot of what is taught as self defence "get someone killed". In the wrong situation...absolutely. But being choked by a guy in a bar and rear naked choked by Bas Rutten are two different things. Some training is probably better than no training, the liklihood of encountering a trained UFC fighter is slim, and most people do not have the time to commit to the kind of training it takes. AND (heres where hopefully I dont make the MMA guys lose their minds :-) in a street fight, some of the principles used in ring fighting, are equally invalid. Its a combat sport. The most brutal unarmed combat sport in history probably, but it focuses on 1 on 1 combat situations. In my experience, fights rarely happen that way. Theres no mental preparation, you don't touch gloves, no one stops the fight when they think you've had enough. It starts because some guy thinks you ***** his girlfriend and he blindsides you with a beer bottle, and you go into it with your bell rung and blood streaming down your face. And if you get someone in a lock, he isn't going to tap out, and his friends aren't going to watch you choke him out. Someones going to kick you in the head. So...maybe there's validity on both sides. Again, sorry for the long post, if you train at anything and put your heart into it, you have my respect. As human beings, I believe we need to be more supportive, and try to elevate, rather than tear each other down. Peace to all.
That's what I was thinking, he looks like shit for his age. All that internal gong fu isn't helping. Reminds me of the video uploaded yesterday of the other tai chi guy whose home Xu went to, the guy was smoking the whole time. These guys going to get steamrolled if they ever fight Xu.
One way for Kung fu to grow would be to hold tourneys between different Kung fu schools, (jokes aside) purely Kungfu. I think even then some 'masters' wouldn't participate for fear that they'll be seen to be not as 'the martial art to beat all martial arts' sort of thing.
let me guess he's another actor who's sat round the table with Xu to discuss about what money he'll be paid before putting on a nice show. This one is barely even doing kung fu anyway
After Fight Commentary: Interviewer: "I thought you said you could be Xu XiaoDong?" TaiChi Master: "I didn't say I could beat him in a fight, I meant in Beer Drinking."
"Everybody has a plan till they get punched in the mouth!" Mike Tyson. You can train all you want, do all the pretty moves and excel in your discipline but in a real fight better know how to throw a punch and take 1 as well.
I watched his split/rollback/push with his student. His structure was broken and it was just a shove , no fajin. Like most modern Taiji masters he trains with modern floppy wushu weapons , the swords are to light and POB is wrong and the spear is made from the wrong wood, to light and to short for real traditional taiji spear. This means you will never gain a true understanding of the weapons from the form nor how the practice is meant to improve your boxing by what it is meant to teach/emphasize and correct. Another master that has bought his own blag believing he is a boxer like his masters 2or3 generation ago. The original taiji boxers were not genteel calligraphers, many were illiterate, they were what would be considered thugs today, or solders and bodyguards. They were men that liked to fight and did. Yang Ban Hao was a very famous taiji master, he didn't friendly spar he fought crippling his opponents for life and is remembered for his bellicose nature and brutality in boxing. Some of the latter students were intellectuals but they were never taiji boxers. These modern masters have never trained nor taught like the real taiji boxers and their self delusion only brings shame to the memory of some of the greatest boxers China had. You are correct Jerry , he will not beat Xu, he will get hurt and lose face.
I feel bad for this guy, I kinda do want him to win. He seems so nice~! I do hope he has actual fighting experience (and strength training) but it doesn't look like it.. All the best to him, I will be watching that fight!
"I'm a professional security officer..." Oh, shit. He's a mall cop, probably with a track record of incapacitating old grannies. Sigh. Popcorn, please.
Yeah I agree he should fight the students. It's easier to beat an old man with no training. It's a little harder to be a young in shape man without training.
so this master of the martial arts,, has no training? he is 48 not an old man,, I know 50 year old guy who could crush ur skull if they farted too hard,,, its impossible to be young and have 25 years of fighting experience now isn't it,,id rather fight a snot nosed blow hard young man than a seasoned veteran any day of the week,, omg,, you kids make me laugh till I shit and at my age that doesn't take long LOL
@@mogwaijizm872 That Xu keeps beating up old guys that have never been punched before in their life. I'm not on any teams either. I'm just talking about reality. It's part of Xu's gimmick to beat up "masters". Because he can say I beat the best the "master" and it's easier. With actual trained fighters someone one older and more experienced is a advantage. Up to a certain point. Early 40s with pros but you can be a bit older as a non pro Vs another non pro. Like I said a young person who isn't trained could get lucky and overpower him or catch him with a powerful punch. This guy has probably never been in a fight like all the other old guys Xu beat up.
Most traditional Kung fu is for performing not actual combat. It is a way to look good while moving your body, and can be described as an art form. Indeed there is a lot of training and heart needed in order to master a traditional martial art, but at the end of the day it is just that, an art. If it hasn’t been tested through combat, then you have no basis to say it would triumph over MMA. MMA on the other hand is the result of years of tried and true combat. It is the result of the clashing and mixing of a myriad number of fighting styles, which was finally simplified down. In conclusion while TMA has its own value as an art style for performing, it would never stand on its own in combat against MMA. To suggest so would be disingenuous and ultimately harmful to those who are looking to learn to fight.
The problem of fighting the students is that you have to be sure the student is a student. The point of Xu fights is to prove that Kung Fu does not work in a fight. Every time that a supposed "student" of kung fu come to the ring, the guy is clearly a Sanda or kickboxing expert paid for it. Even if he studied Kung Fu at some point in his life, he does not use any Kung Fu at all during the match. On a second point, part of the mysticism of Kung Fu that Xu hates is the idea that an old master is more dangerous than his students: size and body strength do not matter, technique matters. An old master should be basically a supernatural beast from the legends. The age advantage is there of course, but the fact that there should not be any age advantage is part of those claims that Xu wants to debunk.
It seems a lot of people including OP miss the point: Xu never said he's even on top level of a fighter. He only said he can beat most if all these claimed kung fu masters! Xu said an average professional MMA fighter might beat him easily at the moment. Also, a lot of the happened fights are resulted from the masters' challenge. Xu is being challenged everyday, and lots of them are just trolling him. He posted once how a guy made a serious call saying he would give Xu more than $1 000 000 for winning and demand no money if he loses, then the second day that guy said he was just trolling for fun. There's also a recent video Xu posted that a 30ish 130 kg challenger was beaten by Xu's 51 years old 70kg friend. And the challenger got a broken bone after the fight and is now suing Xu and his friend. OP can find and post the video.
Chinese Government: *GREAT!* Let's reserve our Olympic stadium and set up a grudge match with a $50 million purse! There's no way we'll Wil E. Coyote it this time!
The sad thing is chinese martial arts, including Tai Chi, used to be effective by being tested in Lei Tai fights ( recomend to see information on the internet) and now because of Mao Zedong "cultural revolution" chinese martial arts are nothing more than a form of gymnastic.
On one side of the coin you could say he is rigging it by insisting he fights the master who is often older, but then on the other side you could say if the art is any good then the techniques should win the fight on their own despite age.
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Nice health benefits for him. However, when I see his large stomach, my first impression is he has no cardio. Although he can boast he has plenty of qi of whatever, that qi is not cardio. Once he starts clinching/wrestle with an opponent, his mind will register for the first time that he is out of breath and the "oh shit" moment will hit him. Let's just enjoy his awakening.
@@lcyakko3237 Hahaha, yes I agree. Fat guys in UFC are dangerous, but fat guys in the park are usually panda. Especially if they have never fought a real fighter in reality.
That guy is dreaming, sorry lots of respect for Chinese gong fu but it is clear he does not have any full contact training, probably never been punched
I think the best person for him to fight would be Wang Hai Jun, as he is just in his forties but has more than 30 gold medals as national champion and is a 12th generation lineage holder of Chen Style Tai Chi so it would be a fair match.
I do highly recommend “Kung fu” for spear fighting, the point and poke strategy is tried and tested, but sometimes you need to hit someone with a big stick.
The thing I found somewhat remarkable in this video about how prepared a master is for a fight with Xu is that there was no sparring, no bag work, no conditioning and no grappling. Basically, it looks like pretty much every other taiji school, with a bunch of people gently attacking the air for no clear reason, and experience has shown us that those kinds of schools don't develop fighters. I don't know what the story is between Xu and the students, so I won't opine. For all I know he's said yes to those fights and they're just saying he declined. Conversely, the students could be pro kickboxers who wear taiji uniforms, which is not all that far fetched. Yi Long, for instance, uses this ruse, and I've seen a number of sanda fighters compete in taiji uniforms against karateka before. But I don't think we need to go that far. The master being discusses is too old, but if Xu is denying for fear of a real fighter, fake taiji master, he should aim for someone in theirs 40s, which is roughly Xu's age, who has a very long documented practice of taiji. Perhaps one of the grandmaster's favored students who has a school of his own. The thing is, Xu's a name brand. He doesn't have to take fights with people's students, no more than Anderson Silva has to take fights with BJJ blue belts. At some level, you need a pedigree to be worthwhile, or otherwise you'd have to take on thousands of challengers.
Xu should scout out the top students of the geriatric master and challenge several (4 or 5) of them to decide a representative from among themselves to fight Xu. The geriatric Master will have a pool of 4 or 5 approved top students to choose as his representative. Xu cannot be viewed as being unreasonable.
Do not do it, jeeez these people never learn. They are ignorant about mma or ufc or boxing, or bjj,. They do have tv shows that show the fight competitions? Those are serious fight, not some dance or exercises. People!
As William Blake said, "If the fool persists in his folly he will become wise". For this green Chai Tea wisdom will come at the end of a fist 5 seconds into the match.
As a Taiji practionar I can say this guy is not a fighter. Real Gong-fu does exist but rare to find good master. Someone who has attained really high gong-fu, their eyes look different from normal people.
This fool is about to have his world rocked, people like this have generations of disciples, prestige income, but they can’t even display basic defensive moves, it’s like they were taught by someone who had no idea.
Well,l am just a student of tai chi. I dont believe this guy is a máster. May be a teacher,but never a master. There is no harmony no essence in his movement.
He might win a dance competition with those moves, but a fight ! No chance. Why don’t they just give up and just say what they practice is good exercise, and put it on par with something like ball room dancing or yoga. Its just not a functional martial art for most who practice. Otherwise it would be all over the internet with practitioners kicking ass, but it’s not, and most you do find is a Kung fu or Tai chi guy throwing his traditional moves out the window, and replaces them with what comes naturally, just throwing wild punches with the chin up in the air.
If Xu is going to combat a traditional martial art system it should be Choy Li Fut Kung Fu. Tai Chi in my opinion will struggle against MMA's aggressiveness due to it not having enough emphasis on combatives.
It's not about kungfu vs Xu. But "tradisional kungfu which have no sparring and only train weird supernatural power like in the movies (ipman movies for example) cant fight mma/doesnt work against real fighters".
Private Bodyguards in China are trained more than the police xD. Last time I saw a video about Chinese Police, they arrested the person calling them . Not to degrade them in any way, but this happens frequently cx
Tai chi master should stop talking, and fight Xu. Let his hands and feet do the talking. Then these fake master, can be removed from such respectable possitions. Smh. Xu expose these fake masters.
spot on age is important especialy if that older fighter has no combat history Xu needs to fight better matched fighters to establish and maintain a stronger reputation
Xu has become the boogyman to these guys. In reality he is putting the fight back in his countrys martial systems by forcing them to confront what they have become. I see you Xu. Respect.
The problem with these people is they don't bother seeing how xu even fights and then act surprised when they get their ass kicked and they try fighting in katas
If one don't know how to not resist, one will not win against someone who could attack aggressively. Find someone who actually know something about a real fight and work on it.
