That thumbnail might attract anti vegans to watch it, and dispel some of the misconceptions about fully plant based diets. I watched another video from that channel and the guy who did the video discussed above said that he is leaning toward switching to a fully plant based diet himself. These guys have a lot of subscribers, so that would be good news!
@@SunshineAndMoonbeams Are these people all "sick?" Some intelligent, widely admired people who chose not to eat meat- Pythagoras, Socrates, Leonardo da Vinci, Voltaire, Newton, Benjamin Franklin, Nikolai Tesla, Albert Einstein, Gandhi, Albert Schweitzer, George Bernard Shaw, Tolstoy, Thoreau, Saint Francis of Asisi, Nobel laureate and holocaust survivor Isaac Bashevis Singer, and many more. Some on this list switched late in life, but stayed on it to the end. Ben Franklin switched at age 16. "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." -Einstein (Of course today, he would be vegan. So would the others on this list.) The famous Professor of Physics Brian Greene is vegan. You may have seen him on PBS hosting science shows for the layman. Jane Goodall recently went from a long time vegetarian to vegan. Greta Thunberg is vegan. Jon (Daily Show) Stewart is not only vegan, he owns a farm animal sanctuary!
@mdoublehb1420 Please cite evidence from a credible source that cooked food is detrimental. Raw food has its place in a good diet, but so does cooked food, according to the studies presented by Dr. Michael Greger. Fair warning- RU-vid often auto deletes comments that include links to anything other than other YT videos.
I watched that ASAPscience video because the clickbait title/thumbnail got me and i was pleasantly surprised that it was actually a positive video, although also very disappointed they didn't go into the ethical side of veganismat all :(
I think the reason why they don't go into the ethical side of it is because they try to stick with scientific facts that are studied, given their background as scientists, rather than opinion based pieces. They go more into their opinions on the topics on their podcast channel, Sidenote
My issue with the ethical argument is… doesn’t that also apply to humans? How much of the worlds produce is farmed through unethical or forced labor? How is that any better? No plant harvested with child labor is more ethical to consume than honey
@@maxkordon hi! I cant speak for all vegans, but I include human exploitation in my veganism. I personally grow as much of my own food as possible, as well as contributing to our community garden, and also receive a local produce box sourced from farms in our region. We also purchase almost all of our clothing secondhand and will occasionally splurge on good quality, reputable brand items. Sometimes we purchase items that are not local and may have questionable human practices involved... but did you see the news reports of child labour in slaughterhouses? Also leather tanneries? And just general slaughterhouse working conditions?When human and non-human animal exploitation are combined that is much worse for the humans too. Whether it's for flesh, wool, leather, cosmetics, etc .... I hope that makes sense. Basically the humans involved suffer more when animal cruelty is involved. Your comparison with honey seems like a bit of a red herring since it does not provide the bulk of calories for your diet... also honey is a very specific example 🙃 To be fair: being vegan and applying these principles across all facets of life (reduction of harm and suffering to both human and non-human animals) can be exhausting, but I believe it's the best we can do! ♡
@@harbingerbk1 yeah the point about honey was just an example off the top of my head, I’m mostly speaking from a more socialist sort of “no ethical consumption under blah blah blah” perspective so it irks me when I see the matter of ethics come up without really mentioning the human side of that. It’s not an attack at all I just feel the need to remind people that we all should be treated better (plants and animals included) and I appreciate hearing how other people try to live a life with as little cruelty as possible :) ALSO remember that no individual can be blamed for the cruelty and ecological destruction caused by our society and the only way to actually change it for the benefit of all is through activism and legislation!
@@UnnaturalVegan call me cynical, but he doesn't have a video on being wheelchair-bound so.... I sort of love the cringe of his awkwardly placed video promotions 😅
Their pod side note is good too ☺️ I think the title is purposely inflammatory/clickable to the anti vegan/skeptics to catch their attention, then inform them.
6:11, Love, love, love your content, but I gotta point out your choice of words here when talking about chimps', gorillas', etc, consumption of animal matter, "a fair amount". Insects make up 1% of wild gorillas' diets and ~4% of wild chimpanzees' diets. The majority of their food intake is plant matter And yes, yes, chimps do cannibalize and even hunt monkeys sometimes, but even the Jane Goodall Institute sites that this is a small percentage of their diets (siting ~6% as animal based, inclusive of insects). So, no, I wouldn't call that "a fair amount". overall - yes I do agree that evolution is a silly debate when it comes to humans and veganism today. What happened MYA has nothing to do with the fact that we humans can live healthfully on a vegan diet and very many of us on the planet have the means of doing so today. It also heavily takes away from the driving factor of what veganism means, "causing the least amount of harm to animals," because indeed animals suffer. they are not here for us. WTF does the evolution of our species have to do with how we treat animals in today's society?
i was a bit confused because i could have sworn there was a graphic that shows up in this video where it says 94% plants...so yeah i would call that "mostly" plant based personally but yeah
@@homie3461 Which thread? Would it be easier to cite it here? Just so you know, RU-vid often auto deletes comments that include links to anything other than YT videos.
I know Im always saying this but you should do more vegan memes vids- their so funny and more light hearted than your other videos. Seems more and more difficult to tolerate non vegans and fake news at the moment for me..
I watched the video and thought it was a great video and probably watched by a lot of meat eaters. I think that was the point. To reach beyond the people who already eat plant based.
Great video! Also I laughed about monkeys vs apes 😂 I majored in anthropology in university (love Jane Goodall) and it drives me so crazy when people refer to chimps or gorillas or any other ape as monkeys! 😂😅
The thumbnail may actually imply that the pro meat arguments are all a lie an not the other way around.. since the word lie is placed on a piece of meat🤷♀️ i think we are misinterpreting it because of the video title
Tbh I'm quite tired of seeing "rah-rah, veganism is the solution to all our problems" content, so love the more balanced and reasonable take on veganism's benefits and challenges, both here and in the ASAPscience video.
Lmao this is completely random but when you said “actually, Chlorella and duckweed might contain B12” I heard “gorilla and duck meat” -well, they probably do contain B12, but I’m surprised to find out that gorilla meat is vegan 😂
I believe ASAPScience had been vegan for a short while, and still eat little meat and animal byproducts according to their podcast episode which also discusses this topic more casually (Sidenote Podcast), which may be why he said it's a simple step people can take
Wait which plants have downsides mentioned at 17:27? Other than maybe the really sugary ones like dates I can't really think of any off the top of my head
Great video!! Just had a few questions wondering you thoughts on a few things. You sometimes mention donating to effective charities, just wondering which charities you find effective and/or how you determine what charities are most likely to be effective? You also mentioned in a video about prey animals suffering due to predator animals in the wild and was just wondering if you could give a little more thoughts on this topic. And finally is you had any thoughts on things like chronic wasting disease among deer and such and how it is being handled currently?
One point on the plant based level of our relatives. Bonobos have a lower trophic level than some hooved herbivores as they gobble more bugs and not mice repeatedly. Chimps and bonobos are super flexible in what they eat compared to most species. We are really good at eating whatever works for our species if we have adequate variety
Nutritional Yeast is fortified with b12. This is because nutritional yeast is naturally high in B vitamins (and minerals too) except b12 and folic acid. So in order to ‘round it out’ like a B complex, they add it in. So yeah, you don’t need to take a pill, you can eat b12 fortified foods.
18:34 I would *love* to hear your thoughts on how vegans are expected to be hyper-health conscious and how unhealthy vegans are used as examples to criticize the ethical foundation of the movement, rather than the dietary aspect. Like obviously there's an issue with raw foodists/fruititarians/anti-supplement vegans, but even when a vegan has no better/worse nutrition than someone on the standard American diet, it's seen as a failure of veganism as an ethical belief system.
Our closest relatives aren't the chimpanzee, tho that was the mainstream story for a long time, they are the meek, adorable, sex addict and frugivore bonobos.
About vegan B12: I was stunned to see B12 listed on a non-alcoholic beer! Ok, you need over 1 Liter of non-alcoholic beer to fulfil your daily requirements, but still... where does it come from? Does the yeast produce it?
I suspect we could get B12 through fermented plants since long before we started fermenting foods intentionally. B12 has been found in fermented teas as well.
@Homie I did not say B12 is in teas. I said it has been found in fermented teas. I should probably say "certain" fermented teas. I never mentioned "pickled" foods. The simplified yeast process for B12 is about fermentation, and I read about it a long time ago. It's one of the reasons I'm interested in B12 fermentation happening in nature, or in our bodies (right at the place where it is located in the digestive system) as one of many possible sources in the past, and as a simplified process for plant foods in the future. You are right, we don't need to jump to conclusions but an open mind can be helpful for new discoveries.
The jacked apes and gorillas are is a different topic. They seem to not need a lot of exercise to get muscular, and their fibers are mostly strength than endurance. I think we evolved as long distance runners so our tendency to lose muscle is actually an adaptation to save energy, and we need to do strength training regularly to provoke the gains.
just a quick comment reguarding the water usage. Having lived in California all m life, we are made aware of our water usage almost every year. something like 40% goes to farmland for well Agriculture/Farmland (i.e plants). I don't see how this will change if a vegan diet is more publically followed. I would actually think that this number would go up.
It would depend on how much of those plants are destined to human consumption and how much to animal farming. Besides, I believe California also has livestock farming, which is less efficient in water usage, so decreasing it would improve the situation even if it is accompained by an increase in agriculture.
You would be shocked how many plants are grown to feed livestock. I live in a corn-growing state and it's all I see in the country, and all of it is harvested well past its prime because it ends up being ground up and fed to factory animals 😢
You might be surprised to know that the plant that uses the most water in California is not the almond, but alfalfa. Alfalfa is pretty much exclusively grown to feed farm animals.
@@justine4652 I would not be. As i said, i live in California, and we are made aware of this (plants made for grain feed) almost every year, as we have been in a near constant drought for 20+ years. We (in Southern California) have faced constant scorn from farmland area (Central and Northern California) for "taking their water." It's a whole thing. But here a lot of water goes to "wine country," Fresno, etc.
@Homie I take no offense. It is a valid point. However, i would like to point out that while watering plants does go to ground water it doesn't reduce the water usage issue. Unless the animals are slaughter out right, which i doubt you would endorse, they would need to be preserved in some fashion. Meaning that you (ie the farmer, or if the animals are transplanted to a reserve) would still have the same issues that you describe. Farmers would not likely be willing to give up land that they can use to farm with for the sake of the animals and would likely sell them to an interested party who would decide to either continue the process of selling meat, or maintaining them on some kind of reserve. This would put a less burden on the farmer, but not on water usage. By creating a reserve where the animals can run free to an extent, you not only just shift that current usage, but now the farmer is also using it for plants. This means an increase not decrease of water usage. Which was the only point i was making regarding the cited video.
Did you supplemented before or after going to a dietician/doctor? Do you remember the dose? What did you supplemented with? If you were already deficient then you should've given a bigger those than the common one to mantain normal levels, or maybe there was some medication/health condition that you had that may have had that may have interfered with the supplementations, your diet may have also been poor in many ways despite having supplemented. Clarifying this because there's always an explanation for everything health related, even if we may never find it, but it's important for people like you had struggled and suffered to think were the mistake could've been made so that it may not happen again in the future
Adding in more types of foods doesn't mean you get more or better nutrients. It seems to me that the best opportunity to optimize nutrient intake would be on a sensibly varied whole foods plant diet. An omnivorous diet could compete with this only if animal foods are kept to a very low minimum.
Just going to say, if you live in a developed country, odds are transportation is the biggest impact we have on the environment. Eating less meat and dairy helps, but getting rid of a car is going to have a larger impact that going vegan. Environmentalism is bigger than just what you eat.
Who are these guys? Where is WIL? Maybe I should watch your other videos, for some reason the algorithm only recommends me your responses to What I Learned.
I still haven't got an answer from vegans for this question, what vegan food has more nutrients or the same as an egg for less or the same amount of calories?
The "we have canines too" is the most absurd of arguments in this topic. Do you all know how paleontologists tell human species' skulls from other ancient apes? Because their lack of those canines.
So it looks like he really wants to say something against Veganism, but simply could not possibly have found anything, since there isn't: assuming a good nutrition plus properly supplementing, a Vegan diet *is* the Best one for Health - not to mention all the *Moral* aspect (which that guy practically ignores). Vegan "junk food" *is* good, since the more we have of it = the more we are likely to convince an ever-growing number of carnists to finally *go Vegan* - and, besides, *who wants to be Freelee???* 😂😂😂 (Although I admit, I am - well, at least _theoretically..._ - trying to diet, too... well, sort of. I acknowledge the need to, anyway. 🙂)
Junk food is not good when it makes vegans unhealthy. Nobody wants to give up their health to save animals, and there's no need to. That's what we need to show, by example.
@@carinaekstrom1 Sure Health is important, *but* there has been an image of us Vegan as some kind of "Health obsessed madmen", who terrorize everyone, and most of all themselves, about each and every single component of what they eat - *not* for the Animals, but for the dumb sake of _"my body is a temple"_ bullshit. And so, it *is* crucially important to show, that in order to go Vegan and stop hurt innocent Animals, you do *not* need to go live in the Trees, or exist merely on bananas and adopt three goats or something. That you can also still enjoy Cheese, Chocolate, Ice-Cream and Pizza - and even a pastry, now and then!! - since they *all* do also have *excellent* Vegan versions. This is why I so Heartily support the Israeli Vegan Chocolate, which in Israel is called "Panda" and in the u.s. "7th Heaven". This is why I think, that stuff like "Violife", "Redefine Meat", and "Beyond Burger" are so Great. Because *each and every single one* of these products, have the potential to veganize *MILLIONS* = which means, protect the Lives and Wellbeing of *countless* Animals!!
The 8.7 million species of animals have a 100% success rate with their species diet as long as they had access to the food and no accidents happened. If a vegan diet does not have a 100% success rate with simple intuition based on evolution, then someone is trying to outsmart nature which will have a 100% failure rate.
The great apes eat very little meat, and if they ate a lot at times I'm sure they would get as sick as we do. Because they/we are fundamental plant eaters. We just eat less fiber rich foods and get more calories and nutrients out of certain foods by processing and cooking.
You are forgetting the most important thing@@plant-based-carnist. Humans learned to use fire and cook their food. That gave them access to many more calories, mostly from plants and still not a lot of meat. But if they sometimes did eat a lot of meat they would have suffered just like anyone who starts to eat foods that are so different from what their bodies have been designed for, during about 30 million years as plant eaters. We still suffer from too much meat any time we try it. Slow but certain deterioration and early death.
@@carinaekstrom1 No, I did not forget cooking. Fire helped with evolution but it came much much later. Fire was "invented" by the homo erectus about 1 million years ago. Before the invention of fire, the homo erectus were already very intelligent due to having bigger brains. This was because the hominins had 6 million years of evolution from the last common ancestor with the apes. The lineage of the homo erectus ate raw meat gradually more and more in those millions of years that's why they got adapted to meat. Meanwhile, the lineage of the apes stayed vegetarian that is why they stayed as apes until today. Ask yourself this question....Can the most intelligent ape make fire? No way Jose! Only a very intelligent being have the capacity to make fire. Cooking helped with the final stage of human evolution from homo erectus to homo sapiens only in the last 1 million years.
@@carinaekstrom1If our ancestors were vegans, they would not have grown brains to be able to make fire. This is what happened with the apes. The chimpanzee might have a chance in 10 million years more if they keep adding more meat in their diet but the gorillas have zero chance because they are sticking to vegetarian diet.
@@carinaekstrom1Why are vegan narrative twisted or cherrypicked? You seem to think human evolution is only between homo erectus and homo sapiens. You are excluding the longer and bigger portion of the process.
Gladiators were not fat. There is a big difference between not being lean and being fat and there is no proof for the latter being true, while there is an overwhelming amount of evidence in favor of them being athlete-like built. And we are not naturally omnivores. Other primates are not as well. If you look up the percentage of animal products in their diet it's about 2% of their protein intake. If you widen the definition of omnivores to that, then why wouldn't you call a deer an omnicore? There are cases of them eating meat.
Exactly! I keep pointing out that if apes are omnivores then just about every herbivore is. It's such a meaningless word, unless you talk about animals who definitely need to eat similar amounts of both plants and meat for their long term sustained health. Or if they can shift back and forth without any health problems whatsoever.
I mean he posted on Facebook 4 days ago, and his last video was uploaded to RU-vid in the last two weeks. “Disappeared from social media” seems a bit dramatic in this context 😂
@@noticeddamian I don’t see why anyone would think that an influencer taking a break (which isn’t the case with thing, just trying to level with you here) means he has any short of health struggle 👀
My understanding is that a healthy vegan diet is about the healthiest diet you can eat, and an unhealthy vegan diet is about the unhealthiest diet you can eat.
I think an unhealthy vegan diet is just an unhealthy diet. I don't think you can honestly think of many pros of any unhealthy diet whether that one includes meat, fish, dairy or not. The negatives will far outweigh any small benefits.
Everything is not the diet. In a world filled with depressive news, that can affect your mental state and sometimes your health. B12 is not a vegan problem, it is a diet problem. And you can get b12 eating nori, and duckweed. You can also get iodine from nori. And the amount of insect and snails gorillas eat is highly insignificant. And not all gorillas eat insects. Also some monkeys like the hourglass monkey is a strict herbivore.
@Homie sea weed has b12. I don’t care if it is caused by a bacteria. I just know that nori is a good source of b12. Also duckweed. But many plants do have b12. If your soil is organic it has the bacteria that creates b12. And the roots absorb it.
@Homie no I got my information in scientific studies of plants. If b12 was a big deal pandas and hourglass monkeys would have a problem. They live quite well. Especially pandas that are not herbivores. We are more herbivores than they are.
@Homie I don’t think that the amount of termites they eat would make any difference in the b12. I believe they get it mainly from the grass. I don’t believe they eat poop ether. That would be pandas. And there us no research that all of them do this.
@@Siegfried5846 it wouldn’t be much of a challenge. Grains like rolled oats and brown rice are pretty calorie dense. Maybe your stomach is particularly tiny 🤷🏻♂️
