This Tough Skeptic Stretched My Knowledge 

"HE IS NOT A CREATION, HE IS ETERNAL!"

There’s a few responses I’ve seen. One is to say He is uncreated to which the skeptic will usually respond with why can’t the universe be uncreated to which you can say there is both biblical and secular evidence that the universe had a beginning. The other response I saw goes something like this. “Ok let’s pretend God was created by God #2. Then what?” Usually they’ll say who created God 2, and you respond with God 3. Keep going until they realize their question doesn’t really make sense since the answers don’t make sense either. I might not have that exactly right, but the point is the buck has to stop somewhere and saying God is created means He isn’t God then.

❤ Response: Means you are asking about a created god. But, GOD of the Bible is the CREATOR. Not creation...

Depends on the situation and how much time I'd have, but a few ways - Short version: "Nothing did. God always existed - He didn't 'begin to exist'. He's the necessary First Cause." Longer version: "Everything that begins to exist has a cause. This means that in order for anything to 'begin to exist', there must be (what Aristotle called) an Unmoved Mover - something that 'didn't begin to exist' - otherwise we'd run into a logical problem called Infinite Regression. Since Infinite Regression is logically fallacious, it cannot exist in reality, so everything that begins to exist ultimately owes its cause to an uncaused first cause: in other words, God." (the fancy terminology would state it like this: "Everything causal ultimately owes its existence to at least one non-causal thing.") ===== Oftentimes there's the counterargument "Well, if something had to always-have-existed to explain everything that begins to exist: why can't we just say the universe is the thing that always existed?" To answer that: science, pretty much! -Heat death: if time were infinite into the past, the proposed 'heat death' of the universe would have already arrived. -Red shift: Galaxies are still moving away from each other, and this is observable (through 'red shift', red colors being 'shifted' from others due to the object moving further away at very high speeds). If time were infinite into the past, they'd already be out of 'sight', even if ours somehow were still together. -Basic philosophy regarding infinite regression: time isn't 'infinite into the past'. If it were, there'd always be another moment of time (hour, day, eon, who cares) before the one in which you read this sentence: but since you read this sentence, you're not at the 'end of an infinite' and thus time isn't infinite into the past. So either time began to exist (there's a first 'moment of time'), or an infinite regression exists (which is logically impossible). =Related: Einstein's theory of general relativity. Since, per general relativity, time and matter are 'co-relative', that means the 'first moment of time' is also the first 'moment of matter'. -Universal models: specifically, that no proposed model of the universe that is 'past infinite' (such as a cycling 'big bang->big crunch->repeat') has ever proven mathematically sound. The closest to such a looping model requires at least one initial starting condition to be set to negative infinity - and an infinite quantity is logically impossible to instantiate in reality, much less a negative-infinite.

I usually respond with something like, “in order to have a first creation, its creator cannot be created himself and has to be eternal”.

Yes!

AMEN!!!

What a wonderful testimony! That transformation must have made a huge difference in your marriage. ♥️

@@ingela_injeela In Islam we don’t believe that a human like me and like you is god , jesus is not god , he is a a human like me and you , Allah created prophet Jesus

@@ingela_injeela you better believe it did!

@@Hassansalhi440 Jesus says of Himself "I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End." He also says "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father." And "I AM the Way the Truth and the Life - *no one* comes to the Father, except through me." In the Bible, God is the Heavenly Father, and He is Love. But in the kur-an, God is *not* a Father, and He is *not* Love.

@@allofus5 Halleluyah! Praise the Lord! You will have to tell me all about it one Day, Sister! 😊 God is good. 🙌

Is anything to hard for the LORD?

@@MikeMortoncabomike no

He must willfully choose humility…that is up to any individual.

I like Amazing Grace also and I'm an atheist.

He will never be saved he is an Ohio State fan. They are some of the most disgusting people on the planet.

Yes please pray for Ray. He is truly lost.

Is Jesus playing hide and seek again?

In his 🩷

Yeah Ray is a mess for sure

​@@A_Stereotypical_Guy This guy^

As I heard recently in the Living Waters podcast, the problem with so called “back-slidden” Christians (which in reality do not exist because that would mean they were never Christians to begin with) is usually an issue with the heart, not a logical issue.

​@@KamiNoRanger99the problem is there is no demonstrable evidence for any of the thousands of God or Gods claimed by humans throughout history

​@TheTlucQuestioner I'd argue to the opposite, all of existence is proof of God. Everything that exists; from morality, the order and grand design of the universe, the ability to logically reason, a basis to do so by, an overwhelming amount of archeological evidence, and even people's withdrawn mindset/heart toward God. Are all proof of both His existence and His Word, The Bible, being true.

​@TheTlucQuestioner it's not that there's no evidence, it's just that you don't accept the evidence that is presented, or you consider the evidence to support some other possibility.

@@thelastadmin9272 you can argue all you want, but without evidence for a Gods existence, those that claims aliens created us are just as "right" as you

My words exactly!

cults get mocked and scoffed at when they have ignorant people like ray making false claims about them. Ray is quite a failure with his usual song and dance about "sin", etc.

@@velkyn1 thank you for proving my point. I’ll pray for you. Have a beautiful day

I definitely understand that man! Me personally I’ve watched so many evangelism videos on RU-vid, and in comparison I see this encounter as a big success! Despite his attitude toward it all, he listened and talked and was even respectful to a degree. From the outside it appears this guy has some huge walls around his heart but I pray Jesus can touch his and so many others like him who have been hardened by life!

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How did you cry out before the end if you're here typing comments on RU-vid?

@@A_Stereotypical_Guy 🤣😂🤣

@@rattlesnake8153 seven people liked that comment...🙄 We're doomed.

​@A_Stereotypical_Guy you didn't even take the time to properly understand his statement, and you're mocking it.

​@@A_Stereotypical_Guymaybe re-read it like 10 times over until you can grasp it because your comprehension is really limited.

He probably gets that a whole lot, he just doesn't post it obviously. That would hurt his money making machine

yep, not the only cult to make that claim. Curious how you can't show it merely exists.

Dust and dirt itself will just stay and remain as dust and dirt, even after billions of years. The Almighty Heavenly Lord above was able to produce the energy force, and intelligence, to cause the formation of such extreme creations, such as The Sun, The Moon, The Stars, The Planets, along with the Thousands of Living Kinds spread out throughout The Entire Earth, and the Millions of Gallons of Water that was formed, in order to create and formulate the Lakes and Oceans. How could mere Dust and Dirt be the core stimulus to eventually form and formulate all the living structures and the dramatically gigantic planetary formations spread out throughout the Galaxy..?! Do you lay you're faith on the notion that Dust and Dirt can form and create everything and create it's own intelligence and energy unspeakable..?! Because billions of years will always explain and be able to put the mind at ease, and disregard any doubt of Dust and Dirt being able to formulate itself into an incredibly unspeakable force of energy and intelligence, right..?! All hail the faith of just thinking Billions of Years will enable Dust and Dirt to up and do it all. Smh. : /

Matthew 24:37 “For the coming of the Son of Man (the Messiah) will be just like the days of Noah.”

@@NewCreationInChrist896 and yet more fail from christianity since you all have been promising this nonsense for 2000+ years and failed every single time.

Who, the atheist? He'll be fine.

Did you turn from your sins?

Can you give us a scripture where some one said the sinner's prayer?

Do you also believe in Once Saved Always Saved?

Unless reincarnation is true.

What if a person has truly opened their eyes [to the concepts in religion] and yet no "god" did anything at all?

you assume your god exists. it doesn't.

That’s what Mormons believe. Infinite regression of Gods

​​@@velkyn1lol you have way too much time on your hands. People are here because they believe, why are you wasting your life being bitter over Christianity? Kinda sad. If God isn't real then it wouldn't matter either way yet here you are.

@@velkyn1 He will prove you wrong in due time.

@@Steinstra-vj7wl Yep, the claims of a cultist who has nothing. Curious how I've been hearing those claims for the last 30+ years and christians have been making them for the last 2000+ plus. Sorry, dear, your imaginary friend isnt' coming back to get anyone. "He will prove you wrong in due time."

Praying for you ❤

The Lord inclines his ears to all of your supplication, for he hears our every cry. I Pray that the mighty hands of our Lord Jesus Christ be revealed to you at all times. Stay strong in the Lord and never stop giving thanks and worship to the LORD. YOU HAVE THE LORD ALMIGHTY ON YOUR SIDE, YOU ARE NEVER ALONE

Get a job

May God Bless you…I taught special needs children years ago and I know the struggle you have🙏🙏🙏….We don’t understand so much about this life BUT KNOW that God hears you and may He give you strength as only He can Dear One🙏🙏😘😘

@@annairwin8147 she is a scam artist. She comes to multiple Christian channels and videos and copy/pastes this same comment hoping someone will donate her money. She's actually made a pretty lucrative living off of this if investigations into her are true.

Doesn't make any sense

YOU call it "a creation". That's not evident in the universe. Nothing about the universe "appears created".

Why? Does God need reminding?

I pray God may give you patience and compassion for alll!

Anacondas and boa constrictors have vestigial leg bones. If you read Genesis 3:14 the Bible implies that before God cursed snakes, snakes did not crawl. If they didn't crawl, they walked. The Bible lines up with scientific fact

He was talking about an elephant. It cannot be more clear in Scripture.

​@@A_Stereotypical_Guy have you ever seen an elephants tail?

@@jonagylfa6831 I have! Why do you ask?

@@A_Stereotypical_Guy Fire breathing dragons. Job 41:18-21 “Can you draw out Leviathan[b] with a fishhook or press down his tongue with a cord? 2 Can you put a rope in his nose or pierce his jaw with a hook? 3 Will he make many pleas to you? Will he speak to you soft words? 4 Will he make a covenant with you to take him for your servant forever? 5 Will you play with him as with a bird, or will you put him on a leash for your girls? 6 Will traders bargain over him? Will they divide him up among the merchants? 7 Can you fill his skin with harpoons or his head with fishing spears? 8 Lay your hands on him; remember the battle-you will not do it again! 9 [c] Behold, the hope of a man is false; he is laid low even at the sight of him. 10 No one is so fierce that he dares to stir him up. Who then is he who can stand before me? 11 Who has first given to me, that I should repay him? Whatever is under the whole heaven is mine. 12 “I will not keep silence concerning his limbs, or his mighty strength, or his goodly frame. 13 Who can strip off his outer garment? Who would come near him with a bridle? 14 Who can open the doors of his face? Around his teeth is terror. 15 His back is made of[d] rows of shields, shut up closely as with a seal. 16 One is so near to another that no air can come between them. 17 They are joined one to another; they clasp each other and cannot be separated. 18 His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the dawn. 19 Out of his mouth go flaming torches; sparks of fire leap forth. 20 Out of his nostrils comes forth smoke, as from a boiling pot and burning rushes. 21 His breath kindles coals, and a flame comes forth from his mouth. 22 In his neck abides strength, and terror dances before him. 23 The folds of his flesh stick together, firmly cast on him and immovable. 24 His heart is hard as a stone, hard as the lower millstone. 25 When he raises himself up, the mighty[e] are afraid; at the crashing they are beside themselves. 26 Though the sword reaches him, it does not avail, nor the spear, the dart, or the javelin.

Well, Romans 1 does say that God gives us over to our desires. This is why it is URGENT for one to repent NOW!

​@@melissaculpepper7663the bible says lots of stupid stuff too

First comes death and then the judgement...

@@Brett.D prove it

Yes, I am with you, let us meet the challenges of these last days, even if I am scoffed at, I will continue

All the verses and arguments Ray was saying kept the listener staying through to the conclusion. Hope he continues searching, amen.

You would be just getting the world ready to accept the antichrist

What if the sky is falling?

Go out there with members of your church. Do all the necessary planning. Start small and work your way up. Be bold for our King. No fear

Actes 2:38 Repent and be beptized in the name of Jesus- Christ for the rémission of your sins .....

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom...

I won't [and don't] "blame any deity" for bad things that happen.

I really hope your dont believe the earth is flat

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​@@jordanbass9167I really hope ypu don't think the earth is 6000 years old

@TheTlucQuestioner I may not know how old the Earth is, No one can 100% know. But I can assure you the human presence on earth is young, instead of getting triggered, re evaluate

@@jordanbass9167 we have multiple way of cross referening the age of the earth amd human remains, and 6000 years isn't even laughable close

Yeah that guy did show a lot of patience with Ray, he did good.

@davyboone1794, What do you mean?

@Jaytee. Romans, 9;22 describes how God is patient and long-suffering. With Hard hearted, stiff necked, slow to hear the truth rebels such as this man. On the day of Judgment All the people who God sent to this man to lead him to the knowledge of the truth will be replayed for him As a testimony against him Before he is turned out into outer darkness To absorb the wrath of a Holy and righteous God for all of Eternity. Of course he could Repent and put his trust in Christ, but seems like he's made up his mind and more importantly, Hardened and set his heart in the other direction.

They are most likely the rebels of the divine council, the lesser gods who served as the Most High's heavenly administration or government.

Anyone including Christian including you would act in the same disregard manner, because if someone from another religion were sharing or conveying their message from the doctrine that they believe to you or any other Christian, Christian would not accept their religious claim to be true. if they do it's rare The question that I would ask or need to be asked, if a God exist an that God wants it's existence to be known by mankind, why does it always has to be the person presenting the claim for the existence for that God??. In another words, if a God wants it's existence to be known to mankind should it be human job to evangelized or present evidence for that God?? because it's the exact thing Ray is doing in his video he's the one present the existence or claim for a God.

People will rarely change their minds on the spot. We need time to process things. Ray tilled the soil. Someone else will water, and God gives the increase. The Word NEVER returns back void.

Or God could just appear before us and say, "Yep, it's all true. Follow me for eternal life and cake". I mean, what's with all the sewing and watering nonsense?

@@Jaytee. Jesus literally said “follow me” for eternal life. The kingdom of god is at hand. Not sure about cake lol. God revealed himself in Jesus, the son of god.

@@JStuartofficial Responding to your original post. Anyone including Christian including you would act in the same disregard manner, because if someone from another religion were sharing or conveying their message from the doctrine that they believe to you or any other Christian, Christian would not accept their religious claim to be true. if they do it's rare The question that am asking, if a God exist an that God wants it's existence to be known by mankind, why does it always has to be the person presenting the claim for the existence for that God??. In another words, if a God wants it's existence to be known to mankind should it be human job to evangelized or present evidence for that God?? because it's the exact thing Ray is doing in his video he's the one present the existence or claim for a God.

"Why can't this apply to the Universe?" Uh because science. Literally the current model of the Universe is the Big Bang Theory. The Big Bang Theory was come up with by a Catholic Priest named George Lemaitres in an essay called the Primeval Atom: An Essay on Cosmogony, that was later renamed the Big Bang Theory by an English Astronomer named Fred Hoyle. The essay outlines mathematical argumentation as to why the Universe can't be infinite, can't be eternal, and can't have always existed. This is why the overwhelming consensus of most physicists is that the Universe began to exist around 14 billion years ago at the beginning of its perpetual expansion. To reject this is to reject the scientific consensus. Now you can personally choose to ignore the scientific consensus and believe the Universe always existed anyways, just don't pretend to care about Science.

@@donnyjones5600 It is Christians like you who claim the universe must have a beginning, not science. Scientists generally acknowledge they don't know what caused the big bang or if it even has a cause. The big bang is simply the furthest point in time to which we think we can look back! Just as an example, this is what The American Museum of Natural History says about it: "The Big Bang was the moment 13.8 billion years ago when the universe began as a tiny, dense, fireball that exploded. Most astronomers use the Big Bang theory to explain how the universe began. But what caused this explosion in the first place is still a mystery". Back to the question: if you believe God has no creator or beginning, how do YOU know for sure the universe has a beginning?

​@@donnyjones5600if we.know.our universe is not infinote, but how do we know that an infinite universe doesnt exist outside of ours?

@@TheTlucQuestioner It does, it's called the Kingdom of Heaven.

@@donnyjones5600 yet we have no demonstrable evidence for that

After a few beers, yeah Norm probably would.

Of course he believed in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. He said, “Lord”… (acknowledged His Lordship-see Romans 10:9) “remember me when you come into your kingdom.” “WHEN.” He believed Jesus would raise from the dead.

@@raycomfortjustwitnessing No, he didn't believe in the DBR of Christ, how did he know it? How did he know Jesus was buried? How did he know Jesus was raised? It causes you a major problem, doesn't it. So, then of course he was baptized by John the Baptist. BTW, you do know that baptism in the name of Jesus wasn't commanded until Acts 2. Jesus said in Luke 24:47 that remission of sins to be preached in his name would begin in Jerusalem, this happens in Acts 2, the thief had been dead for a very long time. So, no, the thief did not believe in the DBR of Christ, so since he didn't, we don't have to either and since he didn't say the sinner's prayer, we don't have to either. Btw, in Acts 2 when they asked " what must we do?" Peter said, " Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins....." that goes with Luke 24:47.

@@raycomfortjustwitnessing Romans 10:9 " if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord AND BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART THAT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD......." You left that part out. So, now it is simply confess him as Lord, you do not have to believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, because the thief didn't believe that. Jesus said in Matt 7:21 " Not every one who says Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven......

​@@DannyLoyddont you agree with Ray?

@@TheTlucQuestioner There are somethings that Ray teaches that are true, but what Ray teaches on how to be saved, no I do not agree with him. As I mentioned above, Jesus said in Luke 24:47 that " Repentance and remission of sins to be preached in his name would BEGIN IN JERUSALEM". This happens in Acts 2 where Peter preaches the first gospel sermon and when they asked Peter " what must we do"? Peter said, " Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins.." and as you keep reading it says that those who received the word and were baptized, the Lord added them to the saved. This is something you will never hear Ray teach, he believes that Acts 2:38 is wrong and he believes what Jesus said in Mark 16:16 " He that believes and is baptized shall be saved..." is wrong and he believes what Jesus said in John 3:5 " Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven", Ray believes Jesus was wrong about that also. Ray makes the false claim that since the thief wasn't baptized, then we don't have to either, yet as I pointed out , baptism in the name of Jesus was commanded way after the thief had died. Second, how do we know he wasn't baptized by John the Baptist? Third, Ray should know the thief died under the Old Law, we are under the New Testament. I believe again that Ray does preach some truth, like most, there is some truth....but on how to be saved.....Ray is wrong. When will Ray give us an example of someone saying the sinner's prayer? to be saved? It is not there.......