This is genius foreshadowing, the fact it was deleted means it wasn't really intended to be reference for the upcoming movie, which makes it like predicting the future
There Is actually another deleited scene like this, Miles and Peter are in the metro and Peter gives a similar speach to Miles, I’m pretty sure that appears in a trailer.
You sound like an insufferable teenager who hates his family, Peter was there for him, Gwen was there for him, not agreeing with you doesn't mean people are not there for you, they are telling him that if he saves his father the whole universe will collapse (and therefore his father together with the universe) they know what a difficult decision it is, and they want to make him understand that, yet you immature piece of #"#"# keep thinking you all deserve all even if you are wrong.
Hobie knows that Miles did nothing wrong and just trying his best as a Spider-man, despite he was supposed to be the Prowler instead man doesn't believe in consistency, maybe he doesn't believe in a "good guy" always be good, "bad guy" always be bad.
I absolutely love how when Miles says, "Spiderman always-" he points to Peter B. He was his mentor and was THE Spiderman to Miles, which makes Peter B. shooting down what Miles was going to say and helping in the betrayal even more heartbreaking.
every Spider person in that room has suffered through the pain of losing a loved one, some more than others. but if anyone were to tell Miles "not always", it would have had to been Peter B. Parker. that guy has lived through some fuck shit, and is still living the best he can. having the powers and wearing the mask comes at a hefty price.
@@desuordie4856 They're both suffering heartbreak here...Which it's not really fair to claim one is worse than the other. This is further explained when Peter B catches up and is truly just trying to rationally explain himself and what Miles means to him as a person rather than Spider-Man...Which he was getting through to Miles until Miguel and his Goons interrupted.
I live for Hobie's smile when Miles breaks out and then he just quits the team 😂 and when he calls Mayday a anarchist and congratulates her pooping in the building 💀
Not merely the building. He gave her a salute for "taking a crap on the establishment." The establishment, in this case, being Miguel himself, because Mayday had a little diaper accident whilst crawling all over the man.
Not to mention, Mayday being an anarchist can also be interpreted as her also being an anomaly. If she truly only exists because Peter B was inspired by Miles, then she would be in the same boat as Miles. Thus, her very existence and the fact that her home universe still exists means that she is disproving what Miguel bases the entire Spider-Society’s philosophy on.
@@Docypher Damn that's right I didn't realize that til now, after watching the movie for a few times already. I hope they bring this up in BTSV, I kinda wanna see how this shakeup in Miguel and Peter B's dynamic is going to play out
@@ederdiaz1639 both, only saw across once and with the audio issues and how excited I was. I’m confident I missed a lot of things. Ntm there’s 2 cuts of the movie now with a tiny little changes and scenes added/removed. So I’ll just rewatch it when beyond comes out in about 6 years I wanna keep my memory of the first viewing fresh
Hobie just standing there sutbly encouraging Miles, lol. Dude's been waiting for this for who knows how long, and now that it's happening hes like "there's only one way for this to end, let's hurry it along so I can gtf out of here"
wow your that 14 year old who did the whole trailer in lego. thats so cool. i am also the same age and i like to animate and i kinda wanna do a transformation sequence of gwen transforming into spider woman. what do you think? should I?
thanks! and yeah. it would've been perfect to use as a running theme throughout these films. had they kept it, they could've had Miles repeat this in that cannon event scene and look to Peter B. while doing so. i really hope they consider using it or at least some version of the line in BTSV. part of me feels like they wanted to save it for later
1:52 i hadn’t even realized until now that Hobie was trying to help Miles out, hinting to use his whole palms and then passing it off to the others as being a placating gesture. That’s clever and a cool little detail!!
Spider-punk is a great character. It's clear he's the one who's the most concerned with doing the right thing in supporting Miles, which is contrasted with Miguel who will stop at nothing and make potentially unlimited sacrifices to preserve the "correct" space time continuum. The flaw in Miguel's logic is that nothing is quite that clear cut, and maybe that there are other forces causing the destabilization of the universes, besides the so called canon events.
2:08 this will never not be funny. The fact that he's animated primarily on 2s means that he instantly turns around in one frame and runs away after standing in that pose
I love how during the “intervention” Hobie is deliberately trying to rile him up, then when Miles is boxed you see Hobie reminding him of the palms followed by the smirk when Miles breaks out. It’s all happening so fast despite seeing it I didn’t realize it the first watch.
Hobie knows something isn't right. He's also the only other Spiderman to make the portal watches so its more like he probably knows more than we currently do.
the line "I'm not like you guys" from Miles really sticks out to me because he's totally right. Miles wasn't supposed to be Spider-Man, and like Miguel says he's the original anomaly. but even that doesn't change the fact that he's still literally Spider-Man, with all the same type of great powers, responsibility, and vulnerability to losing a loved one. even though he wasn't supposed to be bitten, Miles still went through the whole Uncle Ben song and dance, even if it was a bit twisted. he now has a super villain created by Miles himself through the events of the first movie, making Spot his sole responsibility. Miguel tries to argue that Miles was a mistake, that the powers and the mask given to him were an accident. and even if he's technically right, Miles still got the Spider-Man origin story treatment everyone else got. Miles wasn't supposed to be Spider-Man but he's earned the title and mask.
They should have kept it in. It would’ve made “not always” a much bigger betrayal because Miles would realize that Peter wasn’t thinking about “one person” anymore.
It wouldn't mean Peter doesn't care about that one person. The line would hit harder because Peter was the one saying focus on one person. Not because he doesn't care but to illustrate just how overwhelming the odds are. Trying to paint to Peter as apathetic is such a massive misreading of his character.
@@1999bazz i think it shows him having fallen into the same trapped mindset he helped Miles out of in the first place. The roles being reversed from the first movie would have been a nice contrast
Peter did care about one person. That's the reason why he returned and dated MJ again. If HE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT "One Person" Mayday SHOULD NOT BE IN THE SEQUEL. Now Peter B cares about 2 people. His wife AND his daughter. It's one of the reasons why he sided with O'Hara, cuz he knows that if an anomaly gets in his universe, it's over for him and his family. Peter B's advice to Miles simple wasn't applicable to Peter himself anymore, but that really doesn't mean that he DID NOT MEAN IT at the time when he gave that advice to Miles.
This honestly makes this ATSV scene hit much harder cuz it really feels more like a betrayal, since Peter B Parker is now going against the lesson he told Miles in favor of "some algorithm"
@@nicholasho1595not even that, peter b was there when miguel caused the replacement earth to get completely destroyed, and probably believes in the canon events as they are what shaped not only him but every spider-man. he's completely justified in believing in miguel
Him saving his dad was a parallel to when peter, the original peter saved miles at the collider in the beginning of the first movie. Never caught that.
I love this quote because it’s also applicable to the audience. Themes of “anyone can be Spider-Man” = anyone can do good is huge in the SM canon. But irl we don’t have SM powers, but we can do good, we can save/help at least one person. People that we love.
Interesting how that one deleted scene is the entire set up for the next two films. Glad they left it out to be fair, it hits deeper as part of its own narrative.
“Most purpose is more burden then glory. And trust me, you do not want to be the guy who avoids it because you can’t live with the burden. There is no comfort. You just choose your burdens.” Mobius M Mobius
hobie is like the best big brother and supports miles throughout all of this. he already stole everything he needed to create a bootleg watch to help miles save everyone.
I feel like Hobie planned this kind of from the beginning… like all the way from the beginning. As soon as he encountered Miguel, and invited to join the spidermen from across the multiverse, as someone who had been fighting authoritarians his whole life, he immediately recognised the risk for such. Then he meets Gwen and becomes close friends… she probably told him everything, about Miles, about what happened between them, and why she couldn’t go see him. It would not surprise me if Hobie encouraged her to see Miles when she went to his universe. Having stolen his trainers, it seems likely she was with Hobie when she got the mission in the first place. Knowing Gwen and from what he had heard about Miles, there would be a decent chance Miles would get himself wrapped up in everything and then he just has to pour a bit of gasoline on the fire for a full on revolt. He might have even been a bit disappointed that Gwen didn’t immediately support Miles, but he knew she would in the end because otherwise he wouldn’t have left the dimensional bracelet with her father. I know there is a lot of conjecture, but you are looking at not just a Spider-Man, but at a full blown revolutionary who successfully overthrew an authoritarian world government. You don’t do that with spider powers, you do that with charisma and tactical acumen. He was multiple steps ahead of everyone involved the entire time.
Seeing this scene, it makes Peter B not immediately taking Miles’s side actually make so much more sense imo. Peter didn’t just witness an entire universe die. He saw FIRSTHAND his own philosophy, the Spider-Man philosophy, literally implode in Miguel’s face. Miguel thought about saving his daughter after his alternate universe self died. He didn’t want his daughter to suffer being fatherless at such a young age, and thought in doing so, he could also be happy for once and partake in the joy of being a father. And even as the whole universe began to unravel and collapse, he still thought about saving his daughter, holding her in his hands. But Miguel was punished for wanting to have it all, by having an entire universe die out before his very eyes. Reminds me of Willem Dafoe’s Goblin, “You’re struggling to have everything you want, while the world tries to makes you choose.” Once again, this is evidence that both Peter and Miguel (and pretty much every Spider-Man in the Society) have so much more nuance than “they betrayed Miles” or “Miguel is the true villain,” both of which I’ve seen way too many people say. Miguel once thought the same thing Miles did, that he could protect someone he loved, and protect the multiverse at the same time. And while it could be different for Miles, for Miguel it cost him an entire world, including his daughter.
I really hope they don’t go down the, “Miguel is wrong about everything and is evil” route in Across the Spiderverse. I think it would be far more impactful to see how both the philosophies of Miles and Miguel are inherently flawed. I think Miles being the only Spider-Man who gets to have it all would be pretty cheap.
I agree. Miles has had his uncle ben moment but he hasn't had his Gwen, Lizard, sandman or movie doc oc moments. He hasn't failed to save someone as Spidey or had to choose between two awful scenarios.
@@MoonWeasel23 Yeah I agree. To me, Miguel is the idea of "great responsibility" while Miles is "great power," you need to have both to be a great Spider-Man and as of right now, they're neglecting the other. I really do hope that they work together in Beyond the Spider-Verse and learn from each other instead of Miguel being mistaken about everything like some are theorizing.
@@MoonWeasel23 I am still convinced that they are gonna reveal "the thing that actually caused Miguel's universe to implode, was actually the Spot reaching singularity / black hole status across time and space". If they REALLY want to have Miguel look villanous enough to be an antagonist, but still heroic enough to be a "anti-hero you can understand his POV", I can see Beyond having an scene of Miguel himself arriving to the Morales / Davis household, and tell Miles' dad the whole "canon event" stuff. And basically convince his dad that "it has to be that way". Something like how it happened to Will Ferrel's character of "Stranger than Fiction", that, for the sake of the story the author was making, he had to die. And he actually went with it, knowing that, in doing so, he would save a child's life (which funny enough caused said author to improvise a new ending where ferrell's character survived. after all, wouldn't that be the type of person you want to life?)
@@ianr.navahuber2195 That theory gives me strong Dark vibes. I think that's an interesting way to keep Miguel's integrity as Spiderman intact. Personally, I think the Spot will end up being the key to saving everyone, since I don't think the writers are willing to kill off Jeff. The whole point of Miles' story up to this point has been that he isn't like any of the other spidermen and that he wasn't even to supposed to be Spiderman. I think Jeff will survive and cause Earth 1610 to implode, but the Spot will somehow fit into the story to stop it.
seeing his whole reaction to the truth of the Spider-Society and his friends keeping secrets was so sad. ESPECIALLY the pep talk between Miles and Peter B. when Miles said "I wanted to see you guys so badly, but this thing isn't what I thought it was"
I know we're supposed to be focusing on the deleted scene, but I can't help but notice that Hobie was putting his hands up like "Use your electricity," and smiling when it worked when I originally thought he was putting his hands up like "It'll be okay, don't worry". This is why Hobie's one of my favourite characters in the movie.
“You can’t think about saving the whole world, you have to think about saving one person, miles. You just think about someone you love.” “You have the choice between saving one person and saving the world - EVERY world.” The duality and the impact of these two philosophies must be absolutely heart wrenching for miles to decide between. And for his mentor, the person that told him to focus on the individuals, care about the *people* - telling him that he has to let his dad go for the greater good - that’s crushing.
In the betrayal scene it just reminds of when Peter goes against Dr Strange and when Black Panther has a go at the other kings for turning their backs. The example is also shown in Homecoming when Peter saves Adrian from being burnt and of course this is what this film is all about. Trying. Miles and MCU Peter are both right, they both try to go so far just to save a few villains from their deaths and to save a love one.
I really think Miguel is a redeemable character and is simply being over protective because he doesn't want what happened to him to happen to others. He is a person with genuine love and care in his heart who just doesn't understand the idea that destiny is not preordained. I feel like in Beyond the Spider-Verse, he will learn that you can save the whole world and a single person. And if they don't do this, I'm gonna be pissed because having Miguel be a genuinely bad guy just kinda sucks
This is a super hero movie. He will 100% be redeemed. Most likely, he’ll be the Spider-Man to die in the next movie too. It’s the typical way these things go. Whenever a antagonist goes good they die.
@@zitronentank1324 i don't know though if it will go like him dying (very likely, but we will see) it comes down to what spot will really do to prove himself as mile's main villain
Bro that could've actually been perfect, cause like at the start of the chase scene, Peter B says to Mayday "sorry for doing this, this is bad parenting" but it also feels directed at Miles in a way to say that he's sorry for telling him not to save that one person anymore. That's really freaking cool, nice edit btw!
They way peter describes how spiderman is supposed to think is the complete opposite of miguel who is for the whole world and against the one person method which is interesting and it makes sense for it to be removed because in the second peter is on miguels side which would contridict what he said but also, peter saying one person could be reffering to saving his relationship with mj and it makes sense for each character to want to think about saving one person, for gwen its her dad, for peni shes looking out for her robot, for peter its mj and for miles in this movie its his dad. and the reason miguel doesnt see it this way is that he has no one to look out for, all the people he once had are all gone and he is too fearful to risk it all again for one person like he did before for his daughter. anyway its a great clip but it wouldnt make much sense because we see peter agree with miguel until the end
I think it still makes sense if we consider that Peter might’ve had his priorities change/get clouded after he started a family. Having a daughter along with being directly involved in the events that “put the multiverse at risk” made him more susceptible to drink Miguel’s kool-aid that sacrificing those destined to die in “canon events” is worth keeping everything stable so he doesn’t risk losing the family he just built. He’s pretty blatantly being a hypocrite by siding with Miguel, as if it were him in Miles’s situation being told he needed to let his wife/daughter die, he would do the same thing. By the end, it seems like he realizes that and that’s why he’s geared up to side with Miles and the other rebelling spider people. I think he just got so caught up in his own “someone” that he failed to empathize with Miles’s “someone.”
@@spinshockerHow is he being a hypocrite? You forget that he's seen worlds cease to exist and has been with Miguel for way longer than he was with Miles? He's not a child, unlike Miles.
@@_Mikeebeed_ That a other thing. If Miles wasn't suppose to be spider man why did the universe not collapse? I feel like that alone proves Miguel is wrong.
I love how Hobie helps him get out of there if anything the people he knew in the first movie the people he thought were going to help him didn’t but a person he barely knew helped him, also hilarious how Hobie chuckled afterwards
they really had us thinking that Hobie would be this obstacle for Miles before the film came out, but in reality, he's like a big brother to him. I love that about his character, how he's always looking out for the little guy, unlike those with more power like Miguel
"u cant think about saving the world, u gotta think about saving one person" "u have the choice between saving one person and saving an entire world every world" so frickin HARD😭
Yeah that’s how it works. Take Miles and his Peter from his universe, he saved Miles because he knew that he would carry the torch of being Spider-Man and knew that his end was near, thus Miles seeing his father during his fight with Fisk motivated him to save him which led to him saving the world.
This quote is probably one of the most impactful quotes I’ve seen that has applied to every spider-persons story it’s a shame that they didn’t keep it in the movie but it was still an amazing quote especially when Miguel shows a different approach telling miles to think about the entire world over one person.
As bad of a movie as it was, this is mirrored in the Whedon Justice League. When Flash, much like Miles, was having doubts of fighting with the other heroes, the one who was arguably more experienced, Batman, told him to focus on saving one person. While it’s a bit different in the two films it mirrors the same sentiment. “If you focus on the big picture you’re only going to get overwhelmed. Focus on one person, and the rest will come naturally”
"You can't think about saving the whole world, you have to think about saving one person" "You have a choice between saving one person and saving an entire world, every world"
I don't think it's a contradiction on Peter's part. He's not telling Miles not to focus on saving one person, he's telling him that sometimes he won't be able to save someone no matter how much he tries to. It's like Spider-Ham telling Miles in the last movie, "The hardest thing about this job is you can't always save everybody."
Dude. This hits SO HARD with the sequal.... And this to me is the crux of growing up. You realize society is broken. You wanna fix it for ALL SOCIETY. But thats never how it works. And a human can either hate themselves for not being strong, powerful, or smart enough. Or human can realize its society thats inherently broken(cant make perfection for everyone) while also not being angry at society for that.
Though this probably wasn’t intended as foreshadowing for the sequel, it sure does feel like it. Had the scene made it into the first film, Miles feelings of betrayal towards Peter and Gwen would’ve hit even harder for me. Though they had Mr. Davis encouraging Miles in his fight against Kingpin as a subtle way of showing us his motivation for getting back up, I feel like having Peter be the one to tell Miles this would make the eventual betrayal more impactful for Miles.
I have a massive amount of repsect for Insomniac’s (Video Game) Spider-Man, up there with some of these guys as my favorite Spider. I was just randomly thinking about the contrasts between Peter and Norman in that game, then I suddenly remembered the ending and went, “Oh my God. This video hits way harder now. I can totally understand why he’d take Miguel’s side.”
He is friends with Gwen. Gwen knew about Miles ability and probably told Hobie about it. Also Hobie saw what Miles was doing with the force field, before announcing his arrival.
I love this little moment not only for what it's supposed to teach Miles, but also because it illustrates how Peter B. is the *perfect* mentor for Miles, as opposed to the 'perfect' Spiderman of 1610. Sure, 1610 Peter could have still reasonably given the same advice, but as delivered by Peter B., it has so much more depth and resonance as the more tragic superhero; he's lost both his Uncle Ben and Aunt May, and at this point in the original movie, he's all but convinced himself he's lost MJ too (to a point that the entire reason he was willing to doom himself after deactivating the collider was because he thought he had nothing left) Peter B. is pocked with loss and riddled with mistakes, and for as many characters (and fans) seem to underestimate him and believe he's one of the weakest Spidermen in the cast, it's in his many failures both as a hero and a normal human being, does he probably understand *most of them all*, of the value in being grounded and in rising above defeat. Miles is given an impossible task, set to an impossible standard: become a Spiderman like 1610's 'perfect' Peter Parker. Likewise, Peter B. is faced with his own challenge: become a father, in spite of the great many failures he's suffered. The *EXPECTATIONS* set against them both are crushing but it allows them to bond in ways no other character relationship in the cast can, and it's through their journey together that they're able to help each other learn it's not about being a perfect hero, or a perfect dad... It's just about trying, no matter what. Spiderman always gets back up.
This is so awesome. Its s o clearly meant to be in, and gives so much meaning to every time "kid" was used, but like. Even without it? Everything still hits. These movies were so fucking perfect.
Miles saying “I can do both,” hits hard for me cause when Pav (Indian Spider-Man) was trying to save his gf and saw Inspector Sing was about to die he also says “I can do both,” but what makes the thought deep is we know Inspector Sing would have died if Miles wasn’t there to save him. Pretty much just shows that both Miles and Pav have similarities in thinking they’re good enough to do both but what’s different is Miles is an anomaly so we’d think he could save his dad and his dimension before it collapses but likes Miguel says, it’s a cannon event so that’s why just thinking about the fact they said the exact same thing just goes hard
Hobie's quick, sharp little "There you go." 'Hobie you're not helping." "Good." Is somehow the best dialogue sequence in the film for me. The way Kaluuya delivers the lines, coupled with how *awful* the moment is otherwise, it just...expertly done. Phenomenal.
I love it, it's both self contradictory and motivating. This means before Peter met Miguel he believes in doing everything you can to save that one person and after believe sacrificing that person for the whole world. I wish they kept in in and played on the scene later
It just felt better to cut ties with everyone who betrayed him. I know Gwen is still young and was hiding from her dad but she was still a jerk towards Miles and I’m sort of in between of them getting together or not.
Fun fact! The reason Hobie calls Miles "Peter Pan" just before he reminds him to use his palms and not just his finger tips to break out, is because in Cockney rhyming slang, a "Peter Pan" was someone who dealt with safes(which were also called "cans", hence, "Peter Pan") and a lot of safe crackers in Scotland were sent to Peterhead Prison, so that's another reason they're called that. He called Miles "Peter Pan" because he was going to "crack the safe" (break out of the holo trap)
