You have been flooded by 40 AIBs with 200+ gpu models all tiers and that typical 2x performance and 2x VRAM single gen uplift between years 1994 and 2017, when I got my old GTX1050. Golden times.
I mean... its kinda of seesawed back and forth tbh. 10 series was really good 20 series was a flop, 30 series and the 6000 series (at MSRP) was also quite good too. Its sad it got ruined by the pandemic, chip shortages, miners and scalpers. If things go right next gen could be way better than this gen currently. My only problem is CPU will get bottlenecked by those new GPUs so I kinda need to buy RDNA 3 or the midrange RDNA 4 offering.
@@albal156 at 1440p i doubt you need to worry , r5 7600x which is a mid tier chip works fine if you only do gaming , cpu never run past 67% , but if you do work load then you might be looking at a slight bottleneck of 16% with rx 6950xt level of gpu
@@arnoldshmitt4969 I have a 5900x so single core performance clocks speed and IPC is a bit lacking compared to 7000 series. A 7900XT or a 4080 us my limit on that before I start getting hard bottlenecks I think.
@@albal156 The good old GTX 1050. I remember that one. My first build was with an used Dell Optiplex that had a Intel I-7 3770k. I dropped in 32 gb of DDR3 ram. And then I put in a GTX 1050 Ti. That 4gb GTX 1050 Ti was a trooper. And it ran Doom 2016 like a champ. It could even run Metro Exodus surprisingly well.
Idk, my 7900 XTX has been a beast, and the latest drivers have really improved things in some of the games that were less than stellar. Not excusing AMD's bullshit hype train, but I definitely don't miss Nvidia.
I'm still holding on to my RX 5700XT card for a little while longer. I was looking to upgrade to the RX 7700 but I might end up just waiting for the RX 8700 in the future as I don't have any problems with FPS or the like with the games I play.
I normally dont upgrade unless I can double my performance, going from my hd 4850 to hd5850 to hd7950 to rx480 to 5700xt. anything twice as fast is still over £500 used currently, still 2x more than I ever pay for a gpu.
Same. I paid probably about 400-430ish for it in march 2020. And I see no real reason to upgrade. The performance is better but...not 400+ dollars 3 years later better. The 8700 may well be a write off to me as well considering. The majority of performance gains we're getting now, is from upscaling. Thats alot of what we're paying for now. Not just the raw performance. Comparing the raw performance matters ofc, but ignoring the upscaling techniques and advances...makes a huge difference. I think the 5700xt can only truly take advantage of fsr 1.0. And the newer generation has access to the latest stuff. And since its designed for the new hardware. Performs way better. To really see the true performance difference between generations now. We cant just look at raw performance. And that makes choosing a card and finding the information about it, that much harder.
I love coreteks videos and the presentation style, but although the voiceover is nicely done and well isolated from any background noise or room echo or any of that, the plosives and sibilance are making it really uncomfortable on headphones. I can only ever watch the videos on my phone, two feet away on low volume because every B P T S Z sound explodes in my eardrums. -- Theres some really cool videos on RU-vid by sound professionals on how to position your microphone, and the tldr; have it pointing at you from the side so the voice comes through but the high pressure waves from certain vowels don't go straight in the mic... love the content keep it up!
My thoughts exactly, i got 18500 on my stock 6800xt asus tuf, cpu 5600x 32gb 3200mhz ram, these new cards are still not cheap enough to beat the value of the 6800xt
Bought a slightly used RX6800 (non-XT) for $370 just over a week ago and very happy with it's performance, efficiency, and adrenalin software. I'm just gaming on my PC, so i don't need CUDA, and RT isn't mature enough to worry about for now. For anyone looking for good 1440p performance without RT and don't mind buying used hardware - can't recommend RX6800/XT enough. They are good cards that can be found for literally half the price of RTX4070 in some regions. I hope the RX7700 and RX7800 will be just as good options down the line.
If you are living in Mexico and want to play Starfield, you would go with AMD as it would be a 200USD price difference between nVidia and AMD, sure AMD being the lower cost option. Starfield Standard alone is over 95USD at the moment for Mexican players and the Premium edition 137USD. The 66xx and 7600 cards come with the standard edition and the 67xx/68xx/7700/7800 with the premium edition (it might be different in your country). Pair it with an AMD R5 7600X CPU and you get the best bang for the buck... Not a AMD fan here but it is just the current situation with nVidia and Intel that can not keep up...
My 6600xt is perfectly fine and does great, right now no reason to upgrade because I only do light work and game sometimes. I would buy a new card if the price was right though.
got a tuf 6800 used for 230 and a 3070 for 215 around 4 months ago, miner prices are good oportunity when the card is fine doing tdp's of 300w it hits 18k points on timespy , tho ingame perfomance is laggy at those clocks for me 6900xt are below 500usd , looking for those just to try MPT / RMP
There still is a considerable price $ performance gap between the $270 RX 7600 and the upcoming $450 RX 7700. So is AMD going to leave that potential product gap dangling empty and mid air? Or are they going fill it with an actual worthwhile product priced at $329,-, that's called a RX 7600 XT, but useful with: 16 pci-e lanes, a 160bit bus, 10Gb VRAM and ~40+ CU's?
If GDDR7 types of vrams are coming in early 2024, then I will not spend my money this year... Sorry... Amd wasted way too much time to release mid-tier cards. It is kind a bit too late now...
Look at Samsung/Apple vs Oneplus, then you'll see Nvidia vs AMD. It's a simple r&d and features vs raw specs, market leader vs follower relationship. The dust has settled and we are basically in cycles of argument between hardware vs software.
I think $450 for the 7700 is too high to drum up hype. If AMD sells it at $400 or lower, then it'd fit in better with current price of the 6700XT and embarrass the 4060Ti at the same price point.
Still waiting for 8000 ryzen and radeon, the 2600X and 5700 are a bit too good to just upgrade with things as they are, besides, ryzen memory controller seemingly can't hold its DIMMs, how fucking hard is 4 DIMMs to run at high speed, though it'd help if you could get a less drowning in aluminium version of some higher end motherboards too That and only high end GPUs get waterblocks
I’m not sure why you say better driver support on nvidia, as a 6900xt owner and 4090 owner I’ve had 0 problems with either fsr and dlss are both amazing at 4K and 1440p, 1080p dlss is a clear winner. Frame generation is a minor caveat because it adds a large amount of latency , it does work flawless in cyberpunk with full path and ray tracing at ultra which is the only game I’ve needed it
I am already understanding that new gen gpus sometimes miss value vs older counterparts thanks to price and cost cuts of old gen, which can be bit hard to exactly forecast for gpu makers or.. simply those old gen gpus get logical discount to incentivize value buyers (me). But RDNA3 is told to be cheap to produce, both MCM 7900 models and monolitic midrange and lower midrange which have smaller die sizes. Maybe AMD bring slightly smaller prices for Rdna3 when it gonna be phased out with coming next gen.
3 years later we get 75% upgrade over 5700 xt for 10% more money. So about 22% uplift per year, IF the 7700 actually costs 450 and the expensive AIB models 470ish.
i got a 2nd gen ryzen and 980ti and I'm playing dead island2 like butter. I'll go a few more years at this rate. 6000 series cards are going to be cheap as dirt by then.
If your AM4 motherboard supports the 5800X3D, I highly recommend it. It drastically cut my load times over my 1800X and boosted my frame rates when I set everything to low.
At this performance level 7800 needs to be $500 or less. 7700 needs to be $400 or less. They cant be slightly better than NVIDIA otherwise they just won't sell. At these mid range prices NVIDIA features start to matter.
$400 7700 sounds right to me. ~+25% performance and price over bargain 6700XT maintains the status quo, same as the 7600 did. Note that I'd like it to be better than this, but it's the reality of this generation.
It has long been assumed the cut down N32 will be 12GB/192 bit bus. That seems to be the RX7700. But it looks like the performance might be comparable or slightly better than the RX6800. That in the end might be the big decision. Do you want the better RDNA3 RT hardware and the potential for some tech stuff like FSR3 or a potentially better quality FSR2 using WMMA instructions found on RDNA3? Then the wildcard of RDNA3 its dual issue that only seems to work on CoD MW2 right now. If it starts working, it seems to be around 20% more fps. Check the RX6650XT vs. RX7600 at HWU for that game. The performance jump is very noticeable in only that game. Otherwise N23 and N33 are kinda the same GPU. But if it doesn't work in most or nearly all games in the coming years, its useless hardware. The alternative is the certainty of what the RX6800 offers, including 16GB of VRAM. With the RX6800 you are more sure that VRAM won't be an issue. But you lack the better RT hardware and the potential for some other stuff. Personally I am betting a bit on RDNA3 getting better over time, using that dual issue capability more. But I realise that if I bet wrong, I have now missed most of the N21 deals and might end up paying more for a similar raster performance if I buy a N32 based video card. Don't care about FSR3 that much, not really about FSR2 either and a bit more about some RT. But I personally wonder about dual issue.
My hope is the 7700 and 7800 will replace the 6700 and 6800 in terms of pricing not the XT versions. Giving consumers the same performance for the same price with a 50watt discount is not acceptable. these cards will really need to be under $500 and $400...which they'll end up being a month after release much like their 7600 sibling who dropped $20 from msrp...
Exactly. I have some hope that AMD have learned their lesson and all the rumored prices of 7800 bein 550$ or 600$ are intententional to keep selling n21. I think they finally understood that high msrp, bad reviews and price cuts is not the way to go. This is what I expect from them: 7700xt 16gb 369-379 7700 12gb 379-389 Great reviews and no more desperate price cuts.
@@Humanaut. would you prefer unacceptable rather than not acceptable. The issue with pricing to high is it does not generate positive media or market/mind share. Yes they might sell gpus priced high but if not enough units shift inventory then any profit made is lost on shelf space.
@@UncannySense it doesn't matter. All that matters is what they sell. All other factors ("mind share, inventory space" etc.) are subordinate to that and become irrelevant once a purchase has been made. How many people are willing to quit gaming? Probably a very low %. So the natural conclusion is that units will sell either way, sooner or later. Sure, less new entries into the space maybe from first time buyers and less frequent upgrade purchases as well - but people will still buy. It's all about profit maximization and they will have teams of economists figuring that out.
@@UncannySense oh and back to basics: you said it's unacceptable. What are you going to do now that you're not accepting it anymore? Are you going to buy another GPU or not?
Am I the only one who rather looks at Time Spy graphics scores rather than full scores? When I do that, I see the "RX7800" scoring almost 19.000 where as the RX6800XT sits around 17.300 and the RTX4070 sits around 17.700 if I use Guru3D its test figures. It would put the "RX7800" much closer to the RTX3080Ti or RX6900XT. The other way of looking at it would be around 30% faster than the RX6800, something AMD systematically seems to be aiming for. The "RX7700" is the same. Graphics score of some 15.600 and Guru3D had the RX6800 a bit below 15.000. That again seems to translate to around 30% faster than the RX6700.
I always point out the comparison between an XT and a non XT or Ti with non Ti shouldn't exist since isn't apples to apples , so 7800 should compared in performance to 6800 and nvidia 4070 to a 3070 to be more accurate i agree with the 7700 being the worthy one but not with the 11% for example from 7800 to 6800xt but the price for this difference isn't worth to go for 7800 , 6800xt will suffice.
AMD have the power, the people to create more efficient powerful GPUs and they could easily crush Nvidia with it. I just hope a day very soon they will stop holding back and go full in. Cause deep inside I know they want and they should go for it
Well, I'm currently using an ANCIENT 1080, lol 😂 Not sure if I'm getting a 6950XT, 7800XT or 7900XT yet. It's all going to come down to price/performance next year when I'm in a position to buy one. You can find 7900XT cards for less than £750 here in the UK when they're on special deals.
Thats my annoyance right now too. I want to spend in that range but the Sapphire Nitro+ model which looks REALLY nice is at like over £850. May end up going with Powercolors Hellhound tbh as it looks alright and the RGB fans look good.
@albal156 Powercolor GPUs are great, the best GPU I've ever owned (a 2Gb 4870 was a Powercolor). I won't be getting the GPU until May next year, though, so hopefully, prices will have come down by then.
So RX 7700 is going to be even more efficient RX 6800 for less? If so then maan not bad. However used market obviously will be still better value, snatched two XFX Quick RX 6800's for my pops and cousin, $270 each, great cooler.
Im tired of the industry racking in profits while releasing hard ware that is subpar it took till 2022 to make 8GB of GPU memory the minimum and before you say the bill gates thing "ought to be enough for anybody" ive use 19.2GB in gaming. i play an open sandbox game vrchat that crushes a 3090 my system runs a 5800X3D an oddity that was only possible because some hardware guys took left over server only destination parts and were curious if it really did boost performance 3d v cache is huge in this game its is staggering. When im playing a game at 45 to 56 fps average and the only upgrades are hardware is 2k more that gets me 10 fps more. You can say the game is unoptimized but it doesn't change the fact that there is a deficit a massive Cassiem that exists with just 30 people playing a game im looking at 2026 before i can play this game on acceptable level which would be no frame drops less then 80fps this makes vr comfortable and that given that the game stays the same and doesn't improve in anyway. I hope someday we get real competition in the gpu space because this a joke. While normal gaming might benefit from these cards that's great. Still it really is obvious that the limitations today aren't with game developers they can push the hardware its is that we are limited by the hardware of today. The pricing is just awful we had cards with expensive cutting edge HBM in the past lets face it they were cheaper.
No it's not. Unless they acknowledge the current market prices for their GPU lineup, reduce their MSRP based on those prices and sell these two at street value, with the added value of Star citizen. Then they are golden and will even bag a big win over Nvidia and Intel.
None of these new GPU's are worth buying AT ALL. Just get a 6000 series or 30 series card for a good price. The market has stagnated thanks to AMD and Nvidia not even trying to be competitive with each other.
Just wanted to add my 2 cents about something. The Starfield code that comes free with an AMD purchase, I don't know off hand what platform it will be on. But I can guarantee that it will be on the worst most annoying possible platform. When I bought my Ryzen 7600X it came with the Star Wars Jedi Survivor code. And of course it was locked to EA's crappy launcher and store platform. Something to think about.
7900 xtx sucks lol sold my 69xt to get one ended up just keeping my old 2080ti lol guess ill wait for rdna 4 and Intel's new arc battlemage. Nvidia totally lost it with the 2000-4000 series lmao
Still.. not gonna upgrade anytime soon. Performance gains are just not enough to justify the prices. Both cards should be 50$ cheaper to make the people to pull the trigger and get an AMD card, rather than waiting for whatever the next gen brings to the table.
I don't want to sound like AMD hater - god darn i do Love Vega, RDNA1 and RDNA2 but RDNA3 feels like a total flop... and i will say that it looks like a bigger flop than late launch of Alchemist :| I mean... How AMD went from "we are making excellent power-efficient and powerful GPU" to "not only we are making weaker GPU than Nvidia, but also soaking more juice" in just 1 generation :
AMD isn't worth the hype. They always launch at MSRPs bad enough to make nvidia seem as the better deal even for those that research. And when their price is adecuate, they are already well know products, so nothing to hype about, just a reasonable option. That is something I do give nvidia, they care to make day one the best day to buy their products, so they can take advantage of a proper hyped launch. I have an RX 6800, but not because it was a good deal when it came out (it was bad even if ignoring the GPUcalipsis), but because the week I got my PC it happened to be cheaper than the 3070 (IMO it's MSRP should have been the same as the 3070 from the begging)
Dude. Every time people try to sell me a graphics card. Based on this one game. This includes nvidia. I call them hypocrites. That 7800 is not going to sway me away from a 4070. When a good chunk of my games uses rt and dlss. Yeah a 7800 is going to be faster in cyberpunk full rt. Nope. Its going to be faster in control with rt. Nope. Its going be faster. Uh yeah. Only in raster with a*. But I guess people think 16gb is going to take them for 2 to 4 years more. hmmm.... Not where we are going with realtime graphics. Sure I'm interested in Star field. Its a we will see scenario. You don't know. The game may launch broken. Though IDtech games did work on the engine. So its a toss up.
RT and high graphics with a 4070 12gb card? Humm. I will give an example. My 6800xt is already ahead of the 3080 10gb. (Rival at the time). Having a previous gen high end playing 4k with medium graphics is a bit meh.
The pricing of mid-range Nvidia GPUs is not just “mediocre”, it is absurd. In contrast, AMD can make affordable current-gen GPUs perform as well as last-gen high-end parts (unlike Intel), so yes they deserve a pass😅
no one care, because amd damage radon brand way too much, people associated it with unstable piece of crap AMD should re brand their GPU under new name, something that fresh, just how they rebrand their CPU with Ryzen, to break free from FX bad image
The 7900 GRE probably is needed to conform to technology export standards which means it's missing certain features, probably AI acceleration and maybe some kind of encryption de/en
