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Thomas Edison's 4 Minute Blue Amberol Phonograph Cylinder Player 

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My very first Edison Amberola cylinder phonograph here for your viewing pleasure. The Amberola Model 30 was introduced in 1915. Single spring direct drive motor. Diamond C reproducer. Oak only. The Amberola 30, 50 and 75 date to after the great factory fire of 1914. The quality of these machines was constrained by price, and although not highly collectible they remain an excellent and relatively inexpensive device to play four minute records. The model numbers referred to their original prices in dollars. Adjusted for inflation, this player would cost $703.18 in 2015 dollars.

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@phonoboy6578
@phonoboy6578 9 лет назад
If you're curious; yes that is where the term "put a sock in it" originated. Before close horn machines (the ones with doors to adjust the volume) one had no other way to decrease the volume, so people would throw a sock or rag in the horn. It really does work quite well.
@databits
@databits 9 лет назад
+Phonoboy That is a hilarious fact, thanks for sharing!
@jimmypearce9323
@jimmypearce9323 8 лет назад
Have to do the same thing on my machine.....
@kristina80ification
@kristina80ification 7 лет назад
I knew of putting a sock in the horn to muffle the sound but I had never thought it might be the origin of that saying. Interesting.
@pgh45rpms
@pgh45rpms 6 лет назад
And drummers use a sock to baffle sound of their bass drum.
@brentfisher902
@brentfisher902 8 лет назад
The sound quality is quite good considering it's sorcery-free (meaning no gunpowder, engines, or electricity). Don't worry about wearing out the blue amberol cylinders by playing them on a wind-up phonograph...they are rated for 3,000 plays before half loudness.
@MarkShannonroad_videos
@MarkShannonroad_videos 9 лет назад
I'm always fascinated by mechanical sound reproduction. My grandmother had a cylinder phonograph, and it blew me away! Just too cool.
@databits
@databits 9 лет назад
Mark ShannonThanks for your comment, Mark. It also fascinates me!
@spankysmp
@spankysmp 9 лет назад
That's amazing databits, 100 years later. We take everything for granted now but just imagine how this was received all that time ago, Music without a singer in the room, music without an orchestra in the room. It must have seemed like witchcraft
@databits
@databits 9 лет назад
spankysmagicpiano Thats exactly the kind of amazement we don't see much of nowadays. Thanks for your comments!
@comic4relief
@comic4relief 2 года назад
It sounds a bit richer heard directly. Digital video doesn't quite capture it.
@Wasabi9111
@Wasabi9111 Год назад
I hab
@kenherrera2819
@kenherrera2819 Год назад
People would stand in blocks long lines just to say they had heard a "Talking Machine"!
@pgh45rpms
@pgh45rpms 6 лет назад
The Billy Murray recording dates back to 1916. Called the Denver Nightingale, Murray was one of the most prolific recording stars of the acoustic era.
@pcuser80
@pcuser80 9 лет назад
What a good sound quality. No electronics nice
@digitalmetadata1
@digitalmetadata1 5 лет назад
I agree with Edwin the records are made from celluloid. The device holding the record is called the mandrel not turntable.
@mynamehasspacesinit8687
@mynamehasspacesinit8687 5 лет назад
He said mandrel at 4:07.
@luvmyrecords
@luvmyrecords 4 года назад
Another fun fact: John Phillip Sousa is credited with the derogatory term, "canned music". It comes from the cylinder format, and the canister in which a cylinder is stored.
@danielarick2105
@danielarick2105 4 года назад
Actually it came from the sound quality produced at the time Sousas' first records were on the wax cylinder and the sound quality was not very good hence his rather derogatory term. He said it sounded like it was being played in a can
@luvmyrecords
@luvmyrecords 4 года назад
@@danielarick2105 Cool! Thanks!
@mechanicsnut9800
@mechanicsnut9800 8 лет назад
Excellent choice of Billy Murray! My favorite acoustic era artist. Take good care of that cylinder for me, it sounds great; nice and loud, with no pops and clicks and no hissing. From that first tinfoil phonograph in 1877 until the demise of the Edison company on black Tuesday 1929; Edison himself truly believed that the vertical cut cylinder was the best form for recorded sound. I'm working on a home gramophone record engraver based on your ideas with a genuine antique spring driven motor, but I also have plans to make an acoustic recorder; although the acoustic will not be able to record adequately on a plastic plate, I will have to make wax blanks for that, ha ha. Love your videos, and thanks for the inspiration and motivation to get this started.
@databits
@databits 8 лет назад
+Mechanicsnut - Awesome news! Please make videos and let me know when you finish your projects!
@shortyblackwellll
@shortyblackwellll 7 лет назад
Mechanicsnut Billy Murray was great! I like Ada Jones too.
@okbridges
@okbridges 5 лет назад
Got a little hint of an echo there, means your diamond is in need of replacement.
@collarandhames
@collarandhames 3 года назад
I thought it was a sapphire . My replacement cost 150 rebuilt, and had to give my orig. Worth every penny.
@okbridges
@okbridges 3 года назад
@@collarandhames It depends on what reproducer you have. The machine in the video has a diamond model C reproducer and used a diamond point. Most Edison cylinder reproducers use a sapphire except the four diamond models A thru D that were introduced at various times after the Blue Amberol records came out in 1912.
@collarandhames
@collarandhames 3 года назад
@@okbridges Cool. Mine is a combination machine, but I only have the 4 minute set up. Thanks for the clarification.
@zacharybowen4247
@zacharybowen4247 6 лет назад
Edison never recorded using vinyl. Those didn't come about until 1948 when 33 and1/3 records were first released.
@verkehrsteilnehmer-berlin
@verkehrsteilnehmer-berlin 3 месяца назад
They had vinyl some years before. There was a shellac shortage, record players were established, for children it's an advantage, when the record isn't breakable, so it was used around 1946.
@betterthanamasterofone
@betterthanamasterofone 4 года назад
Amazing! I'm reading the Edison biography by Morris now. What an incredible - if unusual - person.
@Sirenhound
@Sirenhound 5 лет назад
so glad there's no copyright strikes on this. 😜
@databits
@databits 5 лет назад
Me too!!
@snakesghost7817
@snakesghost7817 Год назад
I believe the music is considered in the "public domain". Really old music/movies have their copyright expired and are pretty much free for anyone to listen or watch to.
@michaelsweenie-lane359
@michaelsweenie-lane359 2 года назад
Just bought several of these at an Antique Store in town !
@Troupee-Lennon
@Troupee-Lennon 3 года назад
Your Amberola Model is fantastic looking great sound off it we love da cylinder I must buy one theses machines I have all horn phonographs I have few RU-vid videos up thanks for sharing your knowledge. Troupee..
@paulblackman8159
@paulblackman8159 4 года назад
Billy Murray was everywhere.
@Lucius1958
@Lucius1958 8 лет назад
You're rather lucky there: this is a very early production model of the 30 - note the pinstriping on the bedplate, and the single set screw on the reproducer carriage. (My first machine was a 30 of slightly later vintage, given to me as a birthday present over 40 years ago: it has been my guinea pig for restoration techniques over the years, until I finally got it into a presentable cosmetic condition). Incidentally, that Murray recording is also a favorite of mine: I have the Diamond Disc from which the cylinder was dubbed.
@turkosmopolit633
@turkosmopolit633 4 года назад
Nice. Thanks for sharing !
@danieldaniels7571
@danieldaniels7571 3 года назад
Alternate title: How to play music on RU-vid without a copyright strike.
@oliwier000b
@oliwier000b 3 года назад
It doesn't sound too bad actually
@danieldaniels7571
@danieldaniels7571 3 года назад
Oliwier 000B It doesn’t sound at all for what it is. My comment was more directed at how far back in time you have to go with the music to not have them mess with you for copyright. If I owned one of those cylinder players I’d probably try to rig it up with a modern phono cartridge to run into the rest of my audio system. It would be worth it to hear Billy Murray like that.
@Edwin48100
@Edwin48100 8 лет назад
Also, these are not vinyl records. The records are made of celluloid! Not Vinyl.
@databits
@databits 8 лет назад
Keywords my friend. Nobody is searching RU-vid for celluloid.
@luvmyrecords
@luvmyrecords 6 лет назад
THAT'S a perspective that I hadn't considered! I actually thought that someone came up with practical a way to make and play vinyl cylinders. (Actually, there already is a practical way. I imagine the equipment Glen Sage uses at tinfoil.com would work fine.) That's what brought me here. Still, great to hear another Billy Murry record, and your Amberola sounds great!
@RecordCollector96
@RecordCollector96 9 лет назад
Edison Blue Amberols were dubbed from Edison Diamond Discs.
@Edwin48100
@Edwin48100 9 лет назад
+Jeremy Passarelli Not the first ones. The first ones were direct recorded from 1912 to early 1914.
@electronman32k
@electronman32k 5 лет назад
all the blue amberols made before 1915 were direct recordings
@luvmyrecords
@luvmyrecords 4 года назад
"The Kiss" was a dub, though.
@timbithar1
@timbithar1 3 года назад
Flat top blue amberols were directly recorded, not dubbed
@HappyDiscoDeath
@HappyDiscoDeath 3 года назад
I have one of those older 2 minute/4 minute phonographs. Made some vids of the cylinders playing.
@mikeabrahams2893
@mikeabrahams2893 7 лет назад
hi there....some great demonstrations on here from different collectors all over the world. Would you believe it....I m currently saving up for one of these!! ...half paid for in fact...so got that adventure to look foreward to. I have had an Edison Standard machine for a number of years....which plays the very breakable 2minute cylinders...then aquired a Gem which alas has a faulty mandrel thread....but came with an incidental box of mostly four minute blue amberol cylinders. Meanwhile very well presented video here....fine machine. ..and great song!! many thanks for posting!
@databits
@databits 7 лет назад
Thank you for your comments, enjoy your new player!
@jdc2506
@jdc2506 6 лет назад
I have one just like that, but an older model!
@neilmansfield8329
@neilmansfield8329 5 лет назад
These are good record players
@databits
@databits 5 лет назад
Thank you!
@williampalenik7306
@williampalenik7306 3 года назад
That song on that cylinder record sounded pretty good for how old it is
@coondogtheman
@coondogtheman 5 лет назад
Curious if you put the tone arm of a regular record player on this what it would sound like. Kind of like what the mythbusters did when recording sound on clay.
@HMV101
@HMV101 5 лет назад
It would sound noticeable better than purely mechanical /acoustic playback. This is done all the time by professional archivists and recording restoration experts.
@Lucius1958
@Lucius1958 6 лет назад
Incidentally, I notice that the little grille on top is upside down: it should sit fairly flush with the bedplate.
@databits
@databits 6 лет назад
Good eye! I did this because the grille has chipped paint on the top.
@izhevsk1943
@izhevsk1943 6 лет назад
Edison made different types of cylinders over the years. Blue Amberol celluloid is one of the types. The Amberola 30 in this video is designed to play only 4 minute celluloid cylinders. Other types of cylinders were wax Gold Moulded and Amberol. If you try to play wax cylinders with the diamond stylus of the Amberola 30, it will destroy them. Confusingly, even though the record box says "Amberol" it can't be played on an Amberola 30!
@danielarick2105
@danielarick2105 6 лет назад
I read where the term Amberol came from it was the name of the brand of wax that was used,and Anberola was the term used for the machine.Edison did this as some form of competition with Victor,and Columbia and their "ola" suffix
@izhevsk1943
@izhevsk1943 6 лет назад
Amberol records were created by Edison to compete against other brands of celluloid records. There were some legal problems that prevented him from manufacturing his own celluloid records. I read that Edison pulled the name from thin air. He was using a wax for Amberol records that was of his own recipe. He referred to it as "metallic soap." Unfortunately, the wax was not very durable and dealers often referred to it as "Damnberols," because customers were complaining. I avoid buying Amberol records because they are often worn out and they are extremely fragile. They don't like rapid changes in temperature. If you bring one in the house from the cold and take it out of the box right away, it will shatter. When Edison finally got over the legal issues, he introduced Blue Amberol celluloid records and promptly ended production of wax Amberols.
@olivermundy4220
@olivermundy4220 7 лет назад
Thank you for this delightful demonstration. I have some experience of earlier Edison machines (two Standards, both with 2/4-minute gearing, and a Gem) and have found these a little frustrating because the motors are rather noisy and the speed constantly fluctuates. (This may be partly the result of wear and neglect, of course, but it is clear that the problem existed when the cylinder phonograph was new, since Edison and others were constantly pushing the r.p.m. higher and higher - from about 100 in the early 1890s to 160 by 1902 - in the attempt to achieve steadier running.) I have often wondered whether Edison ever achieved any improvement in this respect, and from this example it seems clear that he did; the pitch seems uniform and I cannot hear the motor at all. Amberola 30s seem to be fairly easy to find; I see I shall have to look for one! Thank you again.
@jeeprod1
@jeeprod1 4 года назад
It is amazing how many people put machines on you tube that sound wobbly and stuff. It is not the fault of the belt drive, it is a matter of learning how to work on the governor. It is possible for a loose belt to cause that, but usually it is the governor. Also, you can put amazing big horns on your Standard and gem, but you cannot do anything with any of the amberola machines, which are plagued by small horns.
@RADIUMGLASS
@RADIUMGLASS 4 года назад
Was there ever a problem with wax cylinders melting during the summer months?
@electronman32k
@electronman32k 3 года назад
nope ive got several. they are actually made from a very hard wax which is more like a metallic soap
@brenttaubert1803
@brenttaubert1803 4 года назад
I have one of those cylinders . It was mixed in with the standard wax ones from my great grandfather’s Type C. I tried to play it on the C. I hope I didn’t ruin it. It is labeled “3786 - Forget Me Not - M. Romain”. I have no use for it and no way to play it. If anyone wants it let me know. Otherwise I will just take it to an antique shop.
@SailorMaxie
@SailorMaxie 6 лет назад
I want to see someone release new music on wax cylinders.
@databits
@databits 6 лет назад
Victrolaguy here on RU-vid does that. Check him out.
@jeeprod1
@jeeprod1 4 года назад
@@databits on the internet: Berlin Phonograph Works, Vulcan Cylinder Record Co., and Edisonia Record co.
@Muswell
@Muswell Год назад
Mine looks exactly the same except it has 8 "slots" on the front of the cabinet instead of 9. . Do you know what model I have? Is it an older or newer model than yours.
@Jeffrey314159
@Jeffrey314159 8 лет назад
The roller you place the recording on is called a 'mandrill'. It looks slightly tapered, perhaps to guide the needle and its arm in one direction?
@databits
@databits 8 лет назад
+Jeffrey314159 - no, the arm and stylus are guided by a turn-screw rotating at the base
@Lucius1958
@Lucius1958 8 лет назад
+Jeffrey314159 The tapered mandrel was designed so that one could slip the cylinder on and off without difficulty: Edison featured it on his first wax cylinder Phonograph of 1888.
@HMV101
@HMV101 5 лет назад
Jeffrey314159 The cylinder surface is not tapered. The plaster core however is slightly tapered to allow east removal from the similarity tapered mandrel. At the same time, this prevents the cylinder being put on the wrong way around.
@sidecarcn
@sidecarcn 5 лет назад
It isn't vinyl.
@katrinamartin730
@katrinamartin730 2 года назад
Databits, we have 2 Edison Amberol records. One is blue. Would you like them? We just looking ti get them ti someone that would appreciate them.
@eliaslopez7159
@eliaslopez7159 3 года назад
Ok and... where is the optical output port? 🤨
@geekstronomy3368
@geekstronomy3368 9 лет назад
Can you tell me The measurements of the records like the length and with
@Wasabi9111
@Wasabi9111 Год назад
I have that exact same record that you play at 5:10
@LILPEANUT-1
@LILPEANUT-1 Год назад
Update: thank you for the hearted comment! I made a video on my channel about it!
@geekstronomy3368
@geekstronomy3368 7 лет назад
do you know where to get a new reproducer/stylus for one of these?
@philipanderson4673
@philipanderson4673 4 года назад
do you have any idea of what you're talking about?
@Edwin48100
@Edwin48100 9 лет назад
The cylinder players were not called record players! They are called Phonographs!
@Jeffrey314159
@Jeffrey314159 8 лет назад
I think these 'cylinder players' were called 'graphophones', at least that is what some call them today
@bingola45
@bingola45 8 лет назад
+Jeffrey314159 The Columbia machine is called the 'Graphophone'. The Edison is the 'Phonograph'.
@Jeffrey314159
@Jeffrey314159 8 лет назад
I still kinda of think that the word 'phonograph' is used somewhat generically while 'graphophones' today more specifically refers to Edison Cylinder players. That is the information I got from these graphophone cylinder player dealers I met at the Pasadena Rose Bowl swapmeet a dozen years ago..
@Lucius1958
@Lucius1958 8 лет назад
+Jeffrey314159 Usually, to an American collector, "phonograph" is a catch-all term for talking machines. In Great Britain and Europe, it is used to denote cylinder machines: disc machines are termed "gramophones". "Graphophone" is only used for Columbia machines.
@glennmillerfan
@glennmillerfan 9 лет назад
I just got a model 30 Amberola recently and it worked good at first, but now it seems to slow down in the middle of each cylinder. What might be the cause of that problem and is it repairable?
@databits
@databits 9 лет назад
glennmillerfan It could need to be re-sprung or might just need oil in all the right places.
@glennmillerfan
@glennmillerfan 9 лет назад
databits I brought it over to one of my friends who works cylinder phonographs and he felt that was probably what it needed as well and he was going to look over it for me. I purchased the cylinder from a guy in Kansas and he told me that the cylinder player wasn't used since the late 1960s and sat out in a barn since then. As soon as I get it fixed, I will post a video of it.
@Rebel9668
@Rebel9668 5 лет назад
It's been 3 years...where's the video of it?
@FSCforal
@FSCforal 5 лет назад
does it have bluetooth ?
@saltedbuns3823
@saltedbuns3823 4 года назад
Lol
@mikehenson1223
@mikehenson1223 5 лет назад
Aren't you worried about a copyright hit?
@comic4relief
@comic4relief 2 года назад
Seems like you started it a little sloppily there.
@leowagner1366
@leowagner1366 5 лет назад
These aren't vinyl. They're wax or celluloid.
@databits
@databits 5 лет назад
True statements.Blue Amberol Records are made of blue celluloid around a plaster of paris core, and play for 4 minutes at 160 rpm.
@leeshepherd6512
@leeshepherd6512 3 года назад
Edison definitely backed the wrong horse with his cylinder format. Nightmare to store, far too delicate, difficult to mass produce and the problems he could see with the disc (angular velocity) didn't make any difference at the fidelity we are dealing with. He was also far too strict about who he'd allow to record on the format.
@thomasschenk6163
@thomasschenk6163 Год назад
Tengo uno igual, saludos desde Costa Rica.
@databits
@databits Год назад
Greetings!!
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