THOR - Live Thunderstorm generator demonstration under load in Technopark, Zurich conference hall 

Mass carbon monoxide poisoning would have been a less than optimal conclusion to the demonstration.

For real, I was going to say how I thought that was a pretty strong litmus test of this thing haha.

When you put a giant filter at the end of the exhaust you filter the air coming out. Not sure what you are so surprised about

There’s no filter on the exhaust. It only goes through the thunderstorm generator which is effectively just a particularly shaped steel tube.

​@@justinadams5446 and even if there was a filter, I'm not aware of any such small form factor filter capable of making an internal combination engine safe for indoor use. I could be wrong, but it seems like a stretch.

So far... if it can be made to work and work reliably.

where is it open source. Malcom claims proprietary info on some parts of the mechanism.

Where is the source repository?

It's basically just a crude EGR valve with extra stuff plumbed in for visual effect. All it's doing is recycling a portion of the exhaust back into the intake AFTER the carburetor. This in effect greatly reduces the fuel consumption because less air is being pulled through the carburetor to draw in fuel. He has to stand there and constantly adjust the valve to maintain just enough EGR flow to prevent engine bogging and stalling. Essentially it's just reducing the CC of the engine by substituting fresh air/fuel mixture with exhaust gas, that's why it's running so poorly. All the bubbles is just exhaust flowing through water. The "thunderstorm generator" is a vortex tube that does produce hot and cold temps but just there for show and not actually doing anything.

Unfortunately, that's going to upset a few people...

Sure would be good for coal/refuse burning power stations !.

Good! 👍

@@marksmith9218sure are, but they don’t have a choice anymore. Either increase efficiency or watch inflation run rampant. Power production is the only unifier that can do that.

Not really, they are still finite resources, so although it would no longer be an impending extinction event, it's just buying time until the inevitable.

Just to clear something up, petrol is used to get the generator started that much is clear... however the thunderstorm supposedly powers the generator so when is the fuel line closed or is it actually petrol running the generator?

It won't happen, it never does

They had a proto type set up on a car that worked , but not quite practical, a bit more refining involved.

🤣

Yep.

Market? You have to build your own. He's banking on the volume of folks having one keeping him alive.

your mom is not calibrated if that have a 1-3% tolerance will be still suepr acurate not like yor mom who s abble to lay brick right to toilet

Actually, it was a basement.

I drive alot as a electrician and it would be cool to have a system to install on work vans.

You can follow the open work here: www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/560-thor

Whats wrong with c02 there's hardly any in the atmosphere as it is and if were halved we'd loss a lot of the food chain

... 6 months on... still no-one has strapped this to a car... i wonder why

There will be a new prototype at the cosmic summit 2024

i heard something about the performance changing under load

Glad you think so!

Feet use a fuel rod this doesn’t also the spheres greatly enhance vortex motion. The air passing through the thunderstorm generator is ionized then past through an air stone in the bubbler causing cavitation and the resulting plasmoids. There are other differences but these are the main ones. It is also not difficult to tune like the GEET.

There are many tests before I believe we can be confident and then many improvements will come.

They have claimed that the generators and car engines that adjust themselves automatically can be programmed to compensate for a thunderstorm generator integrated into the engine

This is about as coherent as the "theory" behind this device

It does some of the same things that were claimed for the GEET, however, the GEET is very hard to get working and this appears to be a lot easier. There are many systems since the 20s that claimed cleaner exhaust from water injection but none of them had an explanation. From MFMP research, not related to the GEET, we established signatures of Ball Lightning. We then saw these in videos on YT of independent attempts to make a GEET. When it was shown to us that similar emissions had been seen in TSG, Bob Greenyer predicted that it was Ball Lightning based and if so, there would be iron rich crenellated microspheres synthesised. Dr. Takaaki Matsumoto (1993) and independently Kenneth R. Shoulders had shown that Ball Lightning could transmute matter. We found on subsequent testing that a large TSG had produced the same patterns that the MFMP and Matsumoto had seen in experiments ru-vid.comeT2r3IxRgVg?feature=share ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qEXKCcNjKWk.html and we found the tell-tale crenellated iron rich microspheres within seconds of looking on SEM. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xFIVXJv0XPE.html

There would need to be adjustments. Key thing is to have the multi-axis shear, water, charged air.

There was a fan heater attatched.

When someone is not a trained or experienced presenter and the thing is done on the fly - this is the best you get.

No Ozone

Cope

These were my tests last week with a modified Honda 5500 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tTBKMb-PcVE.html and an unmodified one ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VYO1yFsUgFU.html Both were idling (not under load)

@@MFMP Interesting thanks, would be great to see with a CO2 sensor that has full range from % to ppm

The ones they typically use go up to 10,000, and these devices apparently go over-limit on these unmodified generators.@@lb5925

Can you explain in layman terms what exactly is going on here? Also if you don't mind what is your qualification as a gas chemist?

@@charleswalker2484 I am an independent open researcher into condensed matter. My expertise is in Coherent Matter, specifically, fractal toroidal current structures that are the cause of the Fractal Toroidal Moment (called Hyper-Toroidal in west and Super toroidal in the soviet republics). These are the structures that underpin the natural and synthetic forms of Ball Lightning. I predicted, based on evidence of Coherent Matter escaping the TSG that the device employed Ball Lightning technology, which can transmute matter and that it would likely show the Fe+O crenellated microspheres I have identified as the magnetic core of these structures as we have observed in many systems. When subsequently analysing a TSG we found these signatures.

Standard Petrol - will check if 95 etc. No ethylene or alchohol. A small amount of water is consumed. www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/560-thor

The water is not getting separated. A uv light puts a ion charge on the water and the the bubbler system runs air thu the charged water to get charged plasmoid air. The charged air running up the tube in a vortex at the same time the exhaust gas is trying to get out is scavenging the unburnt fuel.

The charge has to come from somewhere, either by ionisation or photoelectric effect. The photons don't randomly produce electrons. I argue that, in addition, the photons emergent from the used lamp, if impinging upon negatively biased TiO2 on Ti metel (better with dopant), the photo electric effect would cause electron emission and the photocatalytic splitting of water will take place also, this will be enhanced by using a light source producing higher energy photons, which I detail.@@Greenwashedhipppie

I was confused with the choke explanation, closing the valve slowly. That got me thinking cars haven't had chokes for 20 years. Isn't the main plan for this to be able to take you're car in and convert over, so won't the car need a choke ? I'm NOT a car head so sorry if sounding dumb lol

@@sprinter1boy The engine they are using has a carburettor, modern engines don't have carbs, they have fuel injection. The choke is to restrict airflow and allow a higher percentage of fuel into the cylinder, that can be done with fuel injection but it's not so simple.

Normal petrol in this case. The device appears to clean the burn.

its LENR (Low-Energy Nuclear Reaction) The vacuum from the ICE pulls in ambient air. A low power (3 Watt or so) off-the-shelf UV light (run off alternator or mains) pre-ionizes the air before it's drawn through a water bubbler with filling to create "plasmoids". A GEET-like reactor comprised of concentric pipes (144 inches long or an octave thereof) and two or three concentric spheres (size ratio 2:3:4) have the LENR take place between plasmoids and ICE exhausted gas, through the metal (ideally tungsten?) of the reactor walls. The gasses pass at almost 90º angles through induced counter-spiralling. Heat is extracted from the ICE exhaust gas to effect the nuclear reaction. After passing though the reaction, inlet gas is sent into the combusion chambers, alongside ambient air.

Works for that too but has to be tested for safety

@@harry554 Ok thanks. What are the safety considerations ?.

I have not seen an automotive conversion and I am only aware of one that was not ever a settled design. Malcolm has offered a conversion kit to a 1300cc Golf engine we have, but that is not mounted in a car.@@ericmc6482

You need a generator with a choke and 4 stroke to provide smooth vacuum and/or a separate electrically powered vacuum to drive the bubbler (can be run off the generated power). This may be an option, it is small and quiet. (there are EU versions as well) www.amazon.com/Honda-Gasoline-Portable-Generator-Eco-Throttle/dp/B076G8JWYR Manual cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/pe/pdf/manuals/00X31Z406010.pdf

​@MFMP What I mean, not the engine modification and reuse of exhaust but designing a device that can showcase the physics that is happening there at a much smaller scale. Using the principles that create this nano reactions and designing a small device that can achieve them. Do we absolutely need those engines vaccum production for a reaction to occur, is there nothing smaller that can replace that? In case it is absolutely must, we got Honda EU10i here in the middle east.

Look at the simple 1mm lead wire in copper box in KOH / H2O + pulse discharge of Matsumoto. you could download his re-mastered book (produced with his permission when he was alive) on RemoteView.ICU remoteview.substack.com/p/matsumoto-collected-papers-1989-1999#details @@raysplay2827

This was a rough bodge together in 1 morning - independent testing data of other reactors in US will be published soon. Some data from a replication attempt is being published here: www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/560-thor

@@MFMP seems crazy to me that they would use a rush dodge job as a demonstartioon for something so important!

@@roberonin7400 You do what you have to when couriers do not deliver.

@@MFMP ..... so it doesnt work in this demonstration...lmfao

It uses fuel

Right now, it's best considered a "hybrid", so as not to upset the current markets. It uses a standard gasoline engine, however, instead of shooting all of the emissions (i.e. pollutant exhaust) into the air, it recycles the waste emissions to both improve fuel efficiency and purify the emissions into breathable oxygen. So it's a phase 1 introduction to the technology for easy adoption.

@@Arielelian Breathable air.

Updated version

joes a douch for not posting the interview. this kind of thing should be debated in public. I'm skeptical about this magical event horizon phenemena that transmutes carbon to oxigen.. plus i thought it was supposed to spew out 20% oxygen not 14-15% and whats with all the manual balancing he's doing..

A big research programme is underway, nothing commercial yet.

@@MFMP Well hurry up will you please; I'd also like one for a 426 Hemi so I can do my bit for the planet properly! :):) God bless you boys, God bless you !!!

Doing what we can.@@paulmeersa7162

I think because the intake has a line and is interfering with the carberation. He has to choke throttle it.

Yes, injecting water gas lowers emissions. GEET and TSG 'claim' that there is transmutation and or Carbon disappears. If TSG does this, it is far simpler than GEET. In recent visual data gathering, the surfaces in a large TSG that had had tests on it for over 8 years, showed signs of macro plasmoid / ball lightning marks. ru-vid.com1wmx_63cDy0?feature=share ru-vid.comeT2r3IxRgVg?feature=share

It didn't have the muffler on.

It was under load, there was a 2kW fan heater attatched.

Water in bubbler, a fish tank diffuser block and some pan scrubs. We are going to look inside the tubes of a long-term run.

Needs fuel. It is about cleaning emissions mostly.

And if the demo was in secret you would say?

@@MFMP none of the wordshe spouts are any more than fantastical presentation of bullshit for people that don’t know how the science works versus enchanting you with hydrogen

one thing at a time.

I don’t think its running rich, the “fuel” coming from the copper pipes is partially oxygen, so it does not need as much outside air intake. That’s one of the few things that have made sense to me about this system so far.

The claim is that the Oxygen levels are not zero/near zero - and are approaching atmospheric levels. Many more tests need to be done to confirm this. Similar claims have been made for other water injection systems.

@@MFMPRandall says on SRS that the output on the exhaust is about 30% oxygen? 0 on carbon dioxide and 0 on carbon monoxide.

@@luke9911 I speak for myself.

It recycles the exhaust into an implosion recycler. Re-exchange the heat, realine with magnetic field and the natural gravity field, ionize water so that the bonds naturally aline with all fields to minimize bond-break energy, divide to hydrogen and oxygen, and creates a matter refusion down to pure energy and all hydrocarbons=full efficiency of fuel. No waste. If it burns it can be recycled.

Not recycled, other than the heat and charge

@@MFMPSorry but this just doesn't parse. Is there a link to an explanation?

www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/560-thor@@jabowery

What he said. @@TheIgnoramus

That is why you test it at 1-300 kW with a grid tied power generator, this ensures the load

@@MFMP has it ever been tested under load with fuel consumption compared to conventional I.C.E. ? Because I know you can reduce emissions to near zero by creating a vacuum leak but fuel consumption is increased and power is reduced

Malcolm claims less efficiency with no load, by more load, the more efficient it becomes. Not more than about 13% I have seen so far which is par for other water gas injection systems - the German tests will be published next week.@@keantho1111

Well - as they are sending out free units for independent testing, they are going to be found out pretty darn soon.

Because it is gas powered - despite what some people have said. It is a claimed pollution reducer.

It is not snake oil, I will explain. It uses gasoline to start the engine. . The engine produces electricity for the Hydrogen generation. . The engine provides vacuum for Hydrogen generation. . The engine produces high heat for Pyrolysis and that produces useful fuel called Hydrogen and Oxygen. The reason they were not choking is because when you burn Hydrogen and Oxygen it produces 100% water vapor. . It is 120 year old technology and it is not a economical or practical way of producing fuel but it is not snake oil.

Lower emissions is the claim

This is such a totally surreal statement, I don't know where to begin. It is doing nothing of what you say. Unlike this gen set, the DeWALT based TSG we tested had no battery because it had no electric start. What you have written is abject nonsense.

@@MFMP Bob, all engines have a magneto and a magnet that makes the power. Then it was getting its power from the magnet in the magneto and spark system that would eventually degrade as the Searl generator the US military used to power the UAP back then as I worked with the black ops in the US on such things and the SAV infinity generator that I worked on only powered a house for one week and then stopped working and the companies both went bankrupt and why we don't hear from them anymore. It is the same with any magnet-based generator. They all degrade. The power has to come from somewhere. You cannot create or destroy energy. Even fission and fusion reactors get their energy from the mass of the atom that the atom losses. The magnet gets its power when it is set up at the high temperature and put in some other magnet field that is an electromagnet that is made from a power plant or battery that gets is power from some fuel in a power plant. Or the engine was running from the heat of combustion that is chemical and why the device only had a fan and some other low energy devices that it powered under the table, and it would not power a house as the load would kill the engine. I watch these generators and they only power a fan, a bunch of LED bulbs or a drill or circular saw and nothing else at a few watts. I never seen these generators power a large load. if the generator was being powered by fusion, then it is only a very small amount of fusion like in LENR devices and could only power the said low wattage devices. That Thai guy who made the water heater with LENR had a very large system to make the 70 degrees Celsius water. If this works so great, then why isn't anyone buying it to heat their house or heat their water? This system would take up the home entire garage and they would not be able to put their car in their garage. The same guy made the pipe fusion heater, and the pipes get clogged with fusion waste and also would not run very long as the device would need to be cleaned many times. I have also chatted with Rossi with his shipping container sized heater that is also too large and costs a fortune to generate some heat to be used by a company due to LENR low energy output. Rossi was also going to use his new fusion LENR device to power an EV, and this bombed out. That guy you interviewed that invested in Rossi's devices has never made a dime even though he holds the patents. He is also going bankrupt. The large tokomaks and inertial confinement fusion reactors only produce enough power to run the cooling system and to generate the power for the superconducting magnet or power the lasers and I proved this with simple equations from the standard model and I wrote to the ITER people who then yelled at me and blocked me from telling anyone about this proof as they have wasted billions on a fusion device that has never worked that will never work and wastes trillions of dollars of your tax money and private investments. If you wish to make some money and actually get a Q value of 22 then build my star device that I have shown you and that I currently have four people building that actually works and that you will see in a few more months whereby the worlds scientists will be embarrassed as hell and look ignorant as hell. Bob what will the scientists and governments say to the people with their fiasco machines? The star device powers all heavenly bodies and I have shown this to the scientists and governments for decades, but they are all delusional and think the sun is a plasma and as such build their devices in this manner and fail, fail, fail, over and over and over.

Zero emission retrofit for generators to be exact

Without the expensive (and high energy consuming to produce) platinum and rhodium!

These videos were shot on our tripod with our radio mic ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CBduSVEek-Q.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-itiyF9snuyY.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-na7kpLJbCv8.html

What is your evidence, please cite. Sure Malcolm doesn't make a clear argument for operation, but the reduction in emissions that we have witnessed (we have not witnessed improved fuel efficiency, but other third parties claim they have) are in line with those claimed for HHO / ohmasa Gas, GEET and Hydrogen injection - so this is not something that stands in isolation - it just appears to be a safer and easier way than the approaches used before. Please detail the data that supports your assertion.

@@MFMP extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and im not seeing that. A couple of guys with handheld monitors isnt a scientific setting . We Australians don't take anything at face value and consider everything B.S. until proven otherwise. This just stinks of B.S.

So does thte MFMP - but we don't start the conversation the way you did - we test the claims. Here are our aims. www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/replicate-2 Here is some data so far. www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/560-thor @@australien6611

the gas analy%zer is suprisingly scientific, but youre right, the information being given is disengenuous, the emissions are extremally high based on the analysis, it wouldnt pass in California/british columbia or any other regulating body(UK).@@australien6611

@@australien6611 aussie here... i'll second that claim.. i have a handheld monitor that says bs too :)

The exhaust did not go through the bubbler. The bubbler maximises the g of water vapour per kg of air in the intake + it is claimed, and there is precedent, that it produces/grows "plasmoids" which are fed in also.

thats a nonsense claim btw, thats called unmetered air drawing a vaccume and making the water aerate, you can tell by how Lean the engine is running/ surging. its not till they increace the revs and equalize pressure ontop and below the trottle plate that the engine runs normal(this happens with throttle body gasket leaks all the time). basic understanding of how an engine works will go a long way.@@MFMP

Sure, but in the end, if the emissions are lower and at a fixed load it ends up using less fuel to generate the same power, then isn't that a win? We have only seen the lower emissions under load on the large grid tied generator (methane powered) with loads up to 300kW negotiated with the UK National Grid as shown in a chart in another video.@@inteligentmonkey1

Something will happen, we are promised units to test ourselves and from next week, the Indian NAVY will be testing in Mumbai on their own terms. My focus will be to get better time and spacial recordings of the coherent matter traveling waves coming out of and in many cases returning back into the Thunderstorm Generators steel sphere for comparison to those we have recorded in VEGA experiments.

One needs hard data. Our independent project gets data to support or otherwise claims.

​@@MFMPIt uses vacuum to pull hydrogen and oxygen from water then it is super heated in a heat exchanger which is the sphere and that does something called cracking of molecules and now you have useable fuel and oxygen. 120 year old technology.

In addition the fraud is in the claim that this is new technology not in the function. It can be beneficial but it is not practical.

@@Ark_alone That is the hope, not sure we have seen this specific configuration before, testing will confirm the hypothesis.

@@Ark_alone You can have a new approach to do an old thing, we have been very clear that aspects of the approach has been around for a very long time - Malcolm Bendall has not denied this. So if the claimant recognises that other approaches doing a similar thing have been around a long time, where is the fraud?

Often prototypes are simple.

The truth will prevail either way.

@@MFMP keep sucking the con artist off. I hope you lose your investment.

well while it does not look good its not impossible for a faudster to stuble on a real awnser ! the main problem i have is any real demonstartions are not really showing us the generator powering any devices we genarlly use like if they drove a car on this and had these emissions i would be sold ! all i can really say is its better to talk and test fraudsters claims in the light of the public then letting them opperate behind the scenes !

you're acting like this thing is fully ready for production. this is in testing phase.@@roberonin7400