Had one way back in the 80s with Hadcock arm and a Grado F1 cartridge, cracking combination It got damaged beyond repair when moving house, bought a Rega 3 as replacement as we had just moved house couldn't afford to replace the Thorens, the Hadcock arm costt more than the Rega combo, not as good but was all I could afford all these years later I still miss the Thorens .