So neat to see your genuine love of the horse Ryan. Yes you could have maybe gotten him out through the back door or other method but you helped him be brave and conquer his fears. It just goes to show you that horses don’t necessarily have the capability of reasoning things through. They can only live by experiences. Thank you for letting him experience safety, comfort, and letting him take time to think, sigh, and lick and chew his way to the other side. We can easily say there is no danger. This showed the horse had to trust you to believe you.
There was one thing that concerned me and that he could have gone up and hit his poll, but with the patience and kindness you gave him he was able to work through his fear. My hat is off to you Ryan!!
I have never seen a horse afraid to leave a stall. Your approach was very gentle and effective. I love watching your work with unique horses/situations. Great video!
R.R. is so polite and patient in helping horses and their owners. I'm so impressed by your compassion and dedication. Hat tip to you, Sir. What joy to see that frightened horse rolling on the ground at his new home. A big lick and chew. ❤ it, you did it, buddy! Have a carrot 🥕 and work on getting healthy 🙏.
@ryanrosehorsemanship You're welcome, Sir. Thank you for reading my message. I've always wanted a horse, but I've never been on a horse 🐎. Oh, how I wish ~ I once tried to get a job mucking out stalls, but I was turned away bc I had no experience with horses. Till this day, I SMH. I said I would work for free. I was 13. Came back when I was 16. No go. 👎 Love your channel very much. You're an inspiration for people who love horses.
Thoroughbreds are both sensitive and smart, they typically learn things quickly and that includes things we don't want them to learn. One bad experience and they learn not to do that thing again, which can cause issues with going on floating, going off floats, mounting, or like what happened with this guy. To them its not stubbornness, its a matter of survival
yeah, my thoroughbred was gutted in the hip several times because of untrained barn boarding staff. The were lazy, did not OPEN THE STALL DOOR ALL THE WAY. ALL THE WAY PEOPLE. EVERYTIME. Also at some barns again due to being lazy, staff would try and "herd" my horse into the stall without ever training him, or telling me that was how they do it. Lots of english trained horses are used to being led into , not rushed into a stall ahead of the person. Also, its important to have the horse centered when asking to go in our out. Having them at an angle just makes it likely for the horse to hit its hip again. When a horse feels impact they immediately go at an angle swinging their hip making it worse and if they were already at an angle, the injury is deeper.
First of all I work AND board at this stable and I can assure you ALL staff is trained and each of us have YEARS of horse experience under our belts. We are never “lazy” about the care of the horses and we do everything we can to keep every horse safe and free of injuries. With that being said there is NO PROOF of this horse injuring himself on our stalls and we literally asked the vet if it was possible to tell when/how the injury happened and the vet said there is absolutely NO way to tell how it happened. This horse had only lived at our farm for about 3-4 months and for all we know he could have had the injury before even coming to our farm. He could have got it in the pasture from being kicked or falling. THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW.
AND I’d also like to add… It IS NOT the boarding facility staff that should be training your horse. YOU should be putting in the time and effort YOURSELF to train the horse to go in and out of stalls safely. We have 40 horses we have to let out and bring in every single day. Do you think that on top of that we also have time to TRAIN someone else’s horse for FREE?!
@@kaileepowell482 and that is YOUR situation, not this persons, your experience is not the same as theirs. Your experience is not universal. There are absolutely ways to know how your horse injured itself, location of the wound, the kind of wound, etc etc can absolutely give you an idea of how it happened. This person shared their experience with a different barn, and that is not your experience, because your experience is not universal.
It's crazy how one incident can completely change a horses mindset. Had a horse who's rider fell off at the mounting block, we couldn't get him near one for months until the barn owner did a hard, but much needed session on him. People don't understand that horses can't "get over things" the way we do or dogs do. It's more so like helping a veteran recover from PTSD. The ending dirt roll and lip chewing was so sweet to see.
This owner was really good with him. This poor horse had such a bad problem through nobody's fault. Thank goodness is found the right person who got help from Ryan.
Oh my gosh, poor baby! Nice job on the work around, Ryan! He seems so relieved to be in that round pen at the end. I'm sending all the good vibes and hope he heals successfully!
WOW! Poor boy😢 But he was very brave and trusting with you. I’m so happy you could be so patient and loving with him. He seems a treasure to be sure. Bravo!🎉🎉
Great job Ryan! This video made me cry because he is so happy getting out of the I was convinced it wasn't the door that had him triggered but the threshold and putting his foot over it was exactly what he needed what a great piece of horsemanship this was ❤️❤️❤️
Horses should be led straight out before they are turned left or right. there is owner right at start trying to pull horse on diagonal through door which is how they smack their hips in first place. no wonder he has no confidence!
Wow you made it look easy. Wonderful. I think your calm patience helped him trust you and you face strokes when he did the right thing. Looks happy in his new home
Great job, Ryan! You gave Lander the time he needed, and because you refused to increase pressure and waited for him to realize that his safety was in good hands he was able to finally trust you! 🤗 Oblique angle: I also wondered at first why you did not take him out facing the door at 90 degrees but then realized that the camera probably made the area in front of the stall appear much more spacious than it really was. Fractured pelvis: Some comments seem to suggest that either the fracture was no such thing or that any horse with such a fracture could / should not survive. Why? There are fractures and fractures as in human bones. A horse can simply break off a bit of the protruding hip bone, or even have a fissure or fracture not all the way through. This still needs time to heal and will be painful while all sorts of ligaments, tendons and muscles pull on the injury, but it is by no means a hopeless prospect. The horse may or may not be fit to ride later on, but any horse lying down to roll and getting up again as fluently as Lander did in his new home is certainly fit to enjoy his future life with his great new owner. I wish them wonderful times together! 🍀
I have a horse who was born with contracted tendons. One of his tendons never corrected. He is all means a gorgeous horse, great personality. He is lame in his front left so I don't ride him but he is happy his leg doesn't really hurt him unless he decides he is a racehorse and his knee swells. Could of been corrected with intense surgery. He is broke to ride and trained as I would ride him around for the heck when I was a small teenager. But when I started to grow I stopped. I don't believe putting down a horse with a sort of lameness unless it's actually hurting the horse. I do like to parade him. Because how handsome he is. His name is Handsome he is my buddy. But I do have a riding horse who is his half brother name Loki.
I really loved this one! It's all about taking your time and not rushing things, especially since the horse had seriously injured himself. Learning the relief, after the pressure helped in that situation, by gently pulling on the leg. Awesome!!!!! @RyanRose
I love your approach and care, Ryan. The only other thing I might have tried was to give him his morning breakfast in the alley. May have given him something else to think about other than that scary stall door! So sweet to see his angst relieved! -Holly
This video really fascinated me! Congratulations for your creativeness Ryan. Also I observed throughout many videos now, you're voice alone is helping, has a calming effect on the Horses in general.
I always am fascinated by people involved with animals, dogs, horses, anything really. People who want to help the animal of choice but they can not intuit how the animal thinks or behaves. They never develop understanding of how or why the animal reacts the way it does, the way it will. You are a very good trainer. You know how they think and can figure out the "why". Some times I really worry about the outcomes for the animals when with their owners.
Omgosh, bless his heart 🥺 So happy for them that you went and helped. I second, third, fourth, EVERYTHING everybody said about how great you are and how kind you are to the horses and owners alike. I keep editing my comment because I’m commenting as I’m watching. 😁 I also found myself SAYING OUT LOUD, “OH GOOD BOY! GOOD BOY!!” as he put one hoof out the door…. then the next hoof… 🎉😂 Hope he’s doing well. He seems like he’s a big sweetie. 🥰
I am by no means a horse expert, but I do groom them. Instead of the lady yanking and pulling on his lead from 6 or so feet away, why didn't she try to stand by the side of his head and lead him out? Also, I noticed a "lip" on the stall, which looks like it would be easy for a horse to catch his foot on it and stumble. Just wondering about those things. Thanks for the video.
That horse showed he has good sense., liked seeing him lick. He could have freaked out but he stayed cool, not a common site from a former racehorse. Wish him and his new mom all the luck in the world.
Interesting video, thanks for posting. I've had my OTTB mare for about two and a half years now, straight from the track, 32 starts. I would have to say the TB'S I used to train alot about 20 years ago when I was in my teens, were much more flighty, pretty tough to bring back down to Earth, when they'd become a space cadet.. The breed nowadays, much more intelligent, much smarter than most Arabians, and the modern OTTB'S I notice do the "planting "behavior more frequently too. My mare had a similar experience with her stall about 3 months ago. She's in at night, and out all day in her pasture. She must come in for feeding mostly, the mini's She's out with have completely different caloric needs than her... Anyway, after a huge rainstorm, the end of our barn walkway has no mats, and well she got spooked, slipped on the wet concrete, fell and hit her head. Thankfully, she just had a headache and no major injuries. Well even after we put nice thick anti-slip carpeting anchored to the concrete, she wasn't having anything to do with going in the barn. She even didn't want to leave her stall because of her fear. Patience, and time was the only thing that worked. I'd just stand there with her mini best friend, and we'd let her decide when she wanted to try to go outside. 10 mins first 2 days, then it was down to about 3 mins for about a week or so. I could tell that forcing her out of this fear, would destroy this mare's confidence forever. She had to make the decision, once I realized that, problem fixed itself. Trust is earned NOT expected...
So, once the horse got out of the stall, it would have been good to see what happened the next time he was put in one. i.e., wanting to see if he overcame his fear, or this was a one-time thing.
I've actually loaded a horse into a trailer in a similar fashion. I wasn't training the horse to load, I was just hauling him for someone. He would go halfway up the ramp and just stop. He wouldn't budge. So Ioved one leg at a time until he was pretty much all the way on and then he gave up his fight and walked the rest of the way on.
Low overhead, high raised threshold, tall horse - I don't blame him, it always make ME uneasy negotiating thresholds with small openings even WITHOUT a horse! 🤣 Poor guy... just needed an understanding and extremely patient friend like Ryan to help him get out of there. 🐎❤🐎
Yep, I was thinking the same thing. The door is way too narrow, there is a 2 x 4 threshold to step over and the beam at the top is too low. Very poorly designed barn. I’m not surprised he got hurt.
This is funny since a clydesdale lived in that same exact stall with NO incidents whatsoever. It’s also funny because there’s 22 other horses in that barn including a tall hefty canadian mare another tall ottb and other tall horses that haven’t encountered any issues like this. Cute how you’re so quick to assume and bash people when you’ve never been there.
@@rocroc There is no proof that he hurt himself on the stall. For all we know he could have had the injury before he ever went to this farm. He could have fallen in the pasture and broke something. He could have been kicked by another horse. We asked the vet if there was any way to know how/when it happened and the vet said there is absolutely no way to tell. Therefore the stall IS NOT the problem.
Oh how I wanted to applaud when horsey came out! My husband's breakfast was late this morning. My heart was in my mouth! Your empathy is what makes you so great IMHO. Another fantastic vid. I bless the day I joined your patreon. My horse is able to do things I never dreamed he would. Speed kills as you say. It is slowing right down and being quiet but clear that has helped me the most. Watching you achieve here is glorious to behold. Love your and Emily's work 😊
I had a 4 year old horse who was a very orally fixated horse. His first time entering the turnout, he grabbed the electric fence with his mouth. It took him years before he finally calmed down when going through the gate.
Ryan seems to have a lot of compassion and patience. There are others too who have horse wisdom… notably for Ryan Rose are the Parellis from whose methods he turned a corner. Others are notable, and when you watch them all, the combined wisdom becomes more and more apparent. It is not only the horses body language that we must pay attention to and work to understand, it is our own messages we must be aware of that we are creating with our body and thoughts! Monty Roberts Klaus Hempfling Steve Young Buck Brannaman Tom Dorrance Ray Hunt Pat Tucket and also Rick from Think Like A Horse (his horse wisdom is spot on, though he could be a bit gentler with how he talks about people) The trainers body language makes all the difference… Klaus Hempfling is the master of this and very worth observing. Kudos to Ryan Rose for working toward the gentle clear harmonious communication with horses.
She is not rude at all for turning horses in. First of all employees are on the clock and paid hourly and we are not allowed to “just stop and wait 5 minutes” under any circumstances. We have rules at the farm that EVERY boarder signs that say chores come before anything else and boarders MUST stay out of the way. We were actually being very nice for letting these people come and do this at chore time and we could have easily told them THEY needed to stop what they were doing and wait for horses to get in. Getting him out of the stall took well over an hour and you guys only get to see 13 minutes of it so maybe think before inserting your opinion where it doesn’t belong. Very disrespectful for you to assume that someone doing their JOB is in the wrong.
When he finally came out the stall finally I was all like hi what a handsome fella you are even though the horse couldn't hear me and you could tell he didn't know what to make of the new situation being out of that stall finally and was trying to process what just happened
My mare broke her pelvis (tip of illium) running through a gate with other horses. It took the vet hours to find where the injury was as none of us had seen it happen. After a years rest she was good.
All I could imagine is him rearing up/back and hitting his head on the top rail of his stall! They would have had to disassemble the whole stall after that!
That was very interesting. One thing I've noticed watching horseowner's on RU-vid, is that they are very careless with leading horses out of stables. We were taught many years ago to lead a horse backwards watching where how he was walking out, so as not to catch a hip on the doorway. Dosen't anyone do this anymore?
Just curious, where did You learn to back up to go out? I grew up being a Stable brat at a 250+ stall boarding barn & Your comment is a first for Me. Via this Horse, I would've left the door open, other Horses turned out, gates closed at the ends of the hall & let the Horse decide to come out. Maybe with some bribery of feed across the hallway... Backing may have worked also. 👍
Exactly right! If you watch the beginning when the owner/barn worker is bringing horses in, she is clearly pissed off at having to halter each one to bring them in. Being very used to the extremely lazy way of opening the gate and allowing the horses all to run to their stalls, which is exactly how this poor guy broke his hip. I absolutely abhor this practice, seen many horses injured this way and not to mention people being injured by horses that think it is ok to bolt in and out of stalls or gates! Just lazy lazy horsemanship
When I used to work in a stable the horses there had an issue with rushing and I was like nope I don't like being rushed so circles we went. The owners of the horses was like wow my horse don't rush me now and that I have so much patience. I got sick as my broken rib (from when my big shetland pony threw me as a preteen in a trough) twisted and hurt me. And I didn't want my horse Loki going after a kid while I was gone.
Well, at first watch, in the very beginning, part of the problem is the way she is trying to get him to come out. Walk straight out, not at a shallow angle so he hits against the stall. And give him room to come out. I know there's more to it to get him over the fear, but it always puzzles me that people do things that cause the issues, and never once think "Oh, well maybe if I give him plenty of room, he might not be so scared that he'll hit the stall opening."
Hi! Horse owner here :) he didn't really much know me from anyone else. I had been given him just a few days prior. He was honestly so scared of the stall door he would shake in fear, idk if me standing near him would have gotten through to him! But I'm not a rescue, the previous owners reached out to me because they knew I had rehabbed a broken hipped horse before. He's doing well and gets his next veterinary evaluation tomorrow!
@@cathleendobson Thank you for responding. To hear that he is doing well is absolutely awesome news! And I 'am' glad that, for whatever reason, he did take the initiative and moved towards stepping out of the stall. ❤
Nice job! I might have tried blindfolding to get him out of the original stall; but even if that had worked it wouldn't have worked on his problem. That roll did him more good than anything! 😅 Updates coming?
It's interesting because Cesar Milan does the same thing with dogs that are "stuck" in a mindset. If you can get them to go forward it allows other possibilities.
The horse has already been handled negligently such that he broke a hip going in or out of a stall. Someone didn't lead him correctly. Not the horse's fault he's injured and in pain: the fault of a negligent handler. Now he's in a stable with a tiny opening into a stall -- looks to be made for small horses or ponies -- and what is he being asked to do? Go through a narrow doorway to which he is not even properly aligned. The doorway is so narrow a handler cannot properly lead a horse through it. He's about to tear his shoulder up on the doorway because the people involved seem to think he can go through the door way sideways. The horse knows more than the people. Align the horse to the doorway. Easily done by walking him around the stall by leading him correctly: at his head, right hand under the jaw on the halter, left hand holding excess lead line. lead him, don't pull him. Stop him when he's aligned head to the door and tail to the back corner. Use a piece of wood or a blanket -- something which poses an visual obstacle / barrier to him -- and put it on his near side as if he's in a straight stall which is open at the front and not the back or going through a walk-through float or through the stalls of a van. Leave the door open. Let him think about the "invitation" of a way to leave the stall which is the open door. He can assess the size of it and his safety by standing quietly while looking through it to open space. A carrot would be helpful to deduce fear of injury. Stand and walk a horse out in the aisle as a quiet buddy for confidence. He gets upset when his buddies are leaving the stable: use that anxiety to be with other horses with a open door he can navigate safety. Wait. He will leave when quietly asked to go forward -- through a too small opening for his size -- which he has inspected and can negotiate without fear of injury and options to move in other directions have been obliterated, he doesn't want to be left behind and he sees the other horses leaving.
Just wondering, but, WHY would you pull any horse out of a stall door SIDEWAYS????? Walk him out straight so he does not bang his hips on the doors. Especially if you know hes been hurt and is now scared. Duh. Glad you helped him...now teach the owner.
If you guys switched your grip on the lead rope I think it would help. When you pull with just your thumb and finger, they know they are stronger than that and it causes them to baulk.. if you hold the rope through your hand and create a small bind near your pinky it is often more effective. You are Great Ryan
hm...well of course we only have this short video to go on---but watching does make me wonder if at any time the lady ever tried just softening and speaking to her horse, using her energy to reassure? Would be a really good case for an animal communicator. Still---slow and steady, well done
I saw that method you did in the preparing for the farrier for the first time I use it to get my colts feet to get unlocked when he’s being stubborn now works great
Question certainly not a critique, but with horse supposedly being so verbal…wouldn’t have giving him positive reinforcement as he moved towards the door been more effective as you pulled in his leg? Hopefully won’t be faced with this issue but is god to see the necessary patience to achieve the goal with negative discipline
