Thousand Seas Pavilion Pass - Is it worth it? - Guild Wars 2 

As of May 10th 2022 you can now access the world map from Thousand Seas Pavilion. No more double loading screens!

One thing to note about mistlock: it is basically in the center of the map, so waypoint fees are generally pretty good except for cantha. Unfortunate that this new pass isn't within the canthan area of the world map. Still gonna probably get it because it looks awesome.

One thing to remember: if you don't want the pass, but DO want the benefit of an easy-to-access Jade Bot workbench, you can buy a Jade Bot workbench decoration from a Research Merchant, place it near your guild hall entrance waypoint, and it'll function just like any other Jade Bot workbench.

You didn't mention it so you might not know, but the fishing nodes in that lounge give fish from Seitung and Kaineng, and it counts towards Kaineng fishing collections.

It is by far the most aesthetically beautiful in my opinion. When it’s your hub that you will be seeing again and again basically forever, I think it’s important to have a nice one like this, especially with the chill fishing! . First and only pass worth it for me so far. Farewell eye of the north, arbor stone, and fugly ass lions arch.

The one minor minor bonus to this pass is that the fishing portals give "free" access (no silver cost) fast travel to more locations than were previously available from any of the previous hub scrolls. Like multiple locations in Elona, Orr, and all around Tyria. This can have minor benefits either for new alt characters that don't have all the waypoints yet, or if you're just trying to save 3-5 silver in exchange for an extra loading screen and 15 seconds on a zip line.

Pros: - Fishing supplies - A portal to a lot of locations around the world - Underwater training golems - Jade bot workbench - Looks nice Cons (When compared to Mistlock Sanctuary) - No fractals portal and vendors - No special action button for quick transportation - Some of the services (Portal and training golems) are too far away - Not enough "My ears, how are you?"

They really need to create a portal tome for holding passkeys. It doesn't feel worth it gunking up your precious shared inventory slots with more than 1, but I'd like to own more than 1 w/o that sacrifice. Though with D4 around the corner and the flop EoD strikes were for me, I'm not sure it matters.

These kinds of maps always remind me of my early Minecraft days. There was a time where I ran a server, and would agonize over hours trying to design hubs to be as efficient as possible without ever feeling too cluttered. Watching new people navigate new spaces just always fascinated me that way. And it was something most MMOs seemed to completely ignore. You visit almost any major city in any MMO, and it's like they didn't give two fucks about trying to make anything easy to navigate or understand. There'd be convoluted long and windy paths. Banks never near markets. Flight paths hidden away in some far corner. FFXIV's older towns divided important stuff between two zones. I'm glad the newer cities are a single zone now. But if anyone wondered why Limsa was the main hub? That's why. It's the ONLY starter town with the big crystal and the Market Board in the same zone. I currently have Mistlock right now, and I might get this one just to collect it. I just love these hubs. This is the kind of in-game feature that I'd gladly throw money for.

All access points to MOST PvE maps alone for me was worth it. PERFECT for Dailies.

The one advantage of this passkey is the portal that can port you to some locations that didnt have free port trough tomes or the tyria rift. Some of these locations are close to the rich nodes, so if you have decent loading speed, can save you bunch of gold while gathering.

I've had a mistlock pass for half a year now, and just now learned that it had a map elevation switch =_= I always used to port to aerodrome and then somewhere else

This lounge is a beautiful zone. It is more visually interesting than mistlock for sure. but I already have mistlock so yeah, no reason to spend more on lounge passes. I am however a bit tempted, if only because I like the area.

Looks like a nice training ground for Griffon flying, nice open area with an easy access for the drop point via portal :D

Muk, I love you sir and your crazy Asura-ness ...but does anyone else's eye start twitching for the onset of a stroke when they see the state of your bags. Keep up the good stuff.

You didn't mention the "easter egg" in the Mystic Forge and the fact that it's always day in this lounge.

Oh man, this is really beautiful! Thank you for showing it off. I have the Lily of the Elon from the PoF deluxe edition but have never had any interest in the other premium lounges, I just use the guild hall for bank/merchant/repairs if needed, to port back easily. The thing that has me really tempted with this one is the portal taking you to different locations in the world. I've got 36 characters, so moving them around easily to maps I don't have WP's for can be a pain! Having the option to just port them out to Vabbi without having to drag them through multiple PoF maps, or quickly get to whatever Cantha map I want is a huge positive! Gonna think on it for a couple of days, but that combined with the crafting stations and fishing bait vendor just might get me to pick this one up!

Thanks for the video, the current sale on the pass is ending today so I was looking into buying one. I went ahead and did it. As of today they have added an Arborstone port and you can now access the entire map of Tyria from inside the Pavilion, so it's definitely a step up from where it was when this video was made.

this is for me personally only: i have the wvw lounge, the fractal lounge and just bought the new fishing lounge and i feel like i will use all three frequently and they were worth the money. i do fractals everyday, i play wvw very very much and this new fishing one will be my new chill spot since i do fishing inbetween other things. i feelnlike the 3 i have all offer unique reasons to have them. but thats also because i dont mind throwing some money at the game every now and again. i will mention i did need to purchase an extra shared inventory slot after getting this new lounge pass, i feel like the shared slot should come with the permanant passes. but again, i still am happy with my purchases. just my own 2 cents tho =)

Great review! I was wondering what this place looked like. I just use wvw obsidian sanctum for quick bank/tp access, that function teleports you also right back to where you were! ^^

did not know about the return part. thank you

I was today years old when I found out mistlock was part of the world map, nice!

I use the water locations to open up maps I have not been to. This gives free access to areas, then I can run around and grab some waypoints. 😎

Bought the mistlock after seeing your vid about it and am totally satisfied with it. For fishing I'll just jump around the map. Nice to have seen it though

As someone who loves fishing I was trying to decide if this was worth it. Thank you for breakdown. Definitely on my list now for my "fishing main". ^.^

Armistice bastion is the only place with wvw balance trainning golems if I remember correctly. Maybe the underwater golems are supposed to match that? Also note: if you just need a lounge that let's you return to original location with bank and merchant for alt parking, the free pvp lobby does that too.

Good lounge for the rp'ers xD I still like the look and the utility of the mislock more though. I'd still recommend that one for people who just want one VIP lounge. for me, I'd probably buy it for the sake of having it lol

The loot tables for the mysterious fish nodes are Seitung, Kaening, World Class, and Saltwater fishing nodes…the easiest method I found to complete World Class and Saltwater fisher.

I was wondering why we didn't get this with the deluxe

Not being on the world map kills it for me. It would make Cantha feel larger and more full if it was.

Love this area, really pretty!

6:30 don't take it personal, Muk. As a resident of Cantha, he doesn't know much about asura, he just thinks you're a very, very ugly child and won't serve you alcohol xD

TIL you can change the layer from Mistlock to access the full map.. Game changer!

The place is beautiful and very convenient for fishing enthusiasts. The only thing I would like it to have is day/night rotation, so we can catch some nighttime fish, and the aesthetic at night would have been gorgeous.

I'm shocked that I never knew that you can port to the world from mistlock xD It makes it a more valuable purchase to me now haha (I have Armistice too bc I wvw 90% of the time and having team chat is neat but knowing this about Mistlock it's a cool combo). Thank you so much for showing this pass/scroll off, now I know I won't need it xD

I ran across this vid recently and I have a dedicated new ranger (Ol Fisherwoman), I thought I would get the 2 week version a try and give it a spin. Since my toon is Norn, I started out in the starter area. I needed to level up some to start getting XP with fishing. Really need to get to 45 so I could eat 150 fishing power food so used up some tomes to get to 45. Have to admit that it’s been a blast visiting higher zones through the portal. Even been hanging out around hero point npcs and picking up points as level appropriate folks come in to get HPs. Tagging and keeping distance has netted enough HPs that I’ve now completed three full skills/traits lines and just hit 53! Having the bank and TP right next to each other is really convenient. I think I probably go ahead and get the permanent lounge but I still have plenty of time on the 2 week version. Tagging up nearby WPs may make me reconsider but instant access across all the expansions is really tempting.

Thank you for this, Muk! You've helped me make my call on whether or not to grab this. I'm definitely not going to, since Arborstone ultimately provides the most pivotal features this does, and you get it for free in the game. Most importantly (to me), the Arborstone portal scroll gives you a free trip to the Canthan region without additional loading screens. This is pretty, but seems like a waste, which is such a shame.

For those of us who like to save on waypoint costs the fishing portal sounds amazing! I usually port to the closest capital anyway so that’s more options that are closer.

It looks great but imho Mistlock is still better utility-wise especially if you often do fractals.

drawbacks: - double loading screens to get anywhere in world map - no fractal entrance advanages: - get you to places where you don't have waypoint - fishing stuffs And yes those pay for themselves, anything that save a bit of gold incidently and save a bit of time is worth it in the long run due to tp costs and missed oportunity farming something else. It is arguably better than fractal one in lots of situations, and if you have a good computer with low loading times it gets even better.

I’ve only had the Mistlock. So I was unaware of the map not being readily available to players with the other passes. What a pain! Anet should fix that.

The Royal Terrace Pass lets you go back to your previous map too... not by double clicking it, but by entering the single asura gate there.

would be awesome and also for sake of consistency to have most features added to EVERY deluxe places like that ...the lounges needs love oO

I've been going to the Mistlock Sanctuary for YEARS and I never realized until watching this that I can access the world map from inside MS.

The option to return to previous location is HUGE to me, it is the reason I don't even use Arborstone or instances because I go into PvP to then exit in the same place I was

thanks for the review, i think i'll stick with Mistlock.

Mukluk real estate: a lovely seaside abode within walking distance to town for easy shopping. Spacious and bright, an absolute must for those who wanna get away from it all. Local sea life is plentiful and accessible from every direction. Public beach access is available, though it is a “dry” beach.

Bought the mistlock in march sale, this is the first time I've buyers remorse. Especially because fishing is really important for me. But of course I couldn't knew the features a few weeks ago.

This might be the best one for your alt toons for getting them to additional zones.

More taxing on performance, no fractal portal and I kinda wish it had a speed buff merchant like all major cities have (before a mastery made them obsolete, anyway) - because even though merchants are close to each other, for characters without swiftness or other speed increases it still feels kind of slow to navigate when compared to mistlock (where you have the jump AND the fractal speed potion). But at the same time, I bought it because it's just a nice place where you can hang around and preview dyes on yourself in a better lighting environment, mounts (can't use mounts in mistlock), skiffs, use some other novelties like chairs, and even has some training dummies for fun (a bit of a bummer that there's nothing on the surface though, they're only underwater, but hey - training underwater combat!). Also I can preview "true" stats on my gear without fractal potions converting agony resistance to precision and boon duration, if the buffs are still present - I don't think there's an easy way to get rid of them in mistlock. Plus I kinda got tired of the mistlock theme and rata novus theme being played on repeat there - Thousand Seas plays calmer, more relaxing EoD songs instead. Maybe not worth 1000 gems, More like 700-800 for my personal taste, but eh, still got it. It's kind of nice, just needs some polishing around the edges.

I wanted to get my friend a Mistlock for convenience, so this is was an unexpected alternative. Of course I had to buy me one too so we could go together. But now I'm really digging it and will probably make it my new primary lounge.

I didn't know the Mistlock and Armistice passkeys are the only other passkeys (along with this one) that can do the return trip by double-clicking. I'm really glad I bought the Armistice key, it is really useful for alt-parking! I also didn't know Armistice was the only other map that doesn't allow a direct port to other world locations, huh.

Does anybody know or have an inkling as to when the Mistlock Pass will be back for purchase? I was introduced to it when I got a 2 week pass for free from Twitch Prime and I now don't think I can live without it

Thanks Muk, i was just wandering how it is in this new vip place, pretty useless except for fishing enthousiaste

It looks nice now, but I cringe at the thought of it getting crowded like Mistlock in the future, especially around the fishing holes with skiff skins getting larger and larger these days. IMO Mistlock still win for me because of the special action key quick travel. As others have mentioned, the only good thing about this new pass is the multiple teleport locations, which will be great for new characters to unlock new areas. I do like the aesthetic though, very Seitung-like and hopefully no aggressive mobs to disrupt fishing. What are the fishes from the mysterious fishing holes?

There's no access to fractals or the aerodrome because Arenanet have forgotten that raids and fractals exist.

The only reason I want the pass is for the fishing. As someone with Mistlock, Armistice, and a few others.... it's almost a waste to get this one. Thanks for the upload! Love the feedback.

Honestly that extra step to get to the world map is a big one for me. I'd love something new, as I've had Mistlock for years, but this just doesn't seem like a replacement for that sadly. Also the no fractal portal and npcs is lame. Thanks for the review.

A while back i promised my self to not get more passes. And yet somehow this pass ended up in my backpack because fishing. I think it is great they added underwater dummies, there is none anywhere in the game and if you for example want to work on your rotation for underwater fractals then this is great. I do agree though that they should also add it somewhere in the world for all to use like the PvP lobby dummies so that everybody can do this. Also for those that did not notice yet but when i was there today hammering on the golems and they died i finnished my SAB champion daily =D

Do those fishing vendors sell the amber or jade lures an the Creepy Crawlies bags? If not, then we have to go back to Arborstone any way. Hmm. As a fisher, I want to buy this, but there are just some things that make me hold off on it.

Can anyone comment on the load times getting in compared to Mistlock? Don't know why but recently it feels like Mistlock is taking longer and longer to get into.

I've held off on getting any of the passes and I think I might continue. Truth is, I just don't see the point in buying any pass when/if you have a fully decked out Arborstone. It has access to LA, strikes, bank, TP, mystic forge, vendors, and crafting stations. If you need to get to a major city for free (cheap), you port to LA then port/WP to one of the cities. If I need to access the bank, vendor or TP from anywhere in the world, I simply go to the PvP lounge (top left corner with the crossed swords symbol) and it lets me return right back to where I was. The only thing I really like about this pass is the fact that you can port to maps that your alts have never been to. I already have Season 2, 3, 4 tomes (portal scrolls), but this pass could be pretty handy. Of course, spending 1000 gems just to save some silver on WPs... meh.

4:53 Please record footage of all possible teleport destinations for this portal. Are they all fixed locations? (meaning, no randomness at all)

I really like it but they should allow you to way point out like mistlock and I really really hope they add tge daily catch tab to the fishmonger so I can check here rather than arborstone for the daily catch ambergris!

Look, I may be stupid, but I never realized I could change the mistlock map to central trying and just tp from there. Oops

A possible (and this might be along shot) but possible reason they didnt add it to the open world to port out and the fact they obviously added fishing needs to the pass is so that you take the time and use the fishing portals? instead of using WP to go to fishing holes. Long shot but its possible and unfortunate to have another loading screen.

I really enjoy how compact everything is here. It is the most efficient of all the VIP areas when you consider that aspect.

Hmm, if the access to the bodies of water was implemented via console/NPC that does not require going to the edge of the map, I'd pick it. Seems great for Taro Everclaw daily and map completion.

I would get this if it had strike portals or Mistlock's world map access. I'll pay to have less loading screens. It's pretty, but I don't think I'd use it more than twice. Maybe someday we'll get an all-strikes lounge

Maybe if it goes on sale at some point I'll get it since I already have mistlock.

One question guys. The vip passes worth it for those who already have Invitation to "Lily of the Elon", Eye of the North (complete) and Arborstone?

Can this be used to get alt characters into Cantha without doing the first few missions/objectives? I don't really feel like playing that mission like 10 times...

Did you check out the mystic forge? Something fishy about it!

The zone is super pretty and frankly that’s 100% of the reason I swapped out my mistlock pass for this one lol

An added convenience this pass has is being able to bring alts to the Crystal Oasis without having to play the first PoF story instance, just like the Lily of the Elon pass.

It has nearly every content in game from portal wether your going to fish or not its a free port to any zone in world works great for alts without a lot of map completion can easily unlock most of map without doing story over and over

What kind of fish you get if you fishing in Mysterious Water Fish???

Sounds like a great place for roleplay

With Mistlock, Arborstone, and Lilly of the Elon (no longer used) I'm set.

Lily of the Elon pass also has access to the world map. Thanks for the video.

In your summery you forgot to mention again that this place also has Jadebot stuff which mistlock doesn't

Is there any "time limit" because I believe we can't buy the mistlock santuary passes now right? So i assume there is a time limit for this kind of thing.

The part about using it as a way to park an NPC at a hard to get location....you could easily just go to the PVP Lobby, do your thing there, and then exit the PVP Lobby and you'll pop right back to where you were. I use that all the time.

wait you can waypoint out of mistlock?....

Thank you for the great tour! Now I can indeed make an informed decision. 😀 The only thing missing was information on the Mysterious Waters fishing spots, but there is already a Wiki entry on that: wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mysterious_Waters_Fish

and if you jump into the mystic forge you become a random fish, wich is nice, not very useful but nice

what about this vendor that has gathering tools with glyph qualities like glyph of the flight, industry, reaping and others... for karma .... is this vendor new or available somewhere else i don't think ive seen them anywhere that is a convenience to have those gathering tools on alt toons and not have to buy more glyphs

Ty! New subscriber. Ive been away from gw but over Christmas Im coming back. I Need a guild?

These passes are not necessary by any means, but they are convenient (and cool). Players shouldn't feel pressured into getting these in my opinion. There are better ways to spend your gems and gold. That being said, nothing has come even close to Mistlock as far as these passes go. This new one is thematically interesting and I'm sure some players will enjoy it. But Mistlock is still by far the best one and I would advice anyone to pick that up if they are dead set on obtaining one of these passes. One thing I would like in Mistlock is for them to add WvW portals.

Alts can just use wvw as a free way to access everything (also guild hall for workbench). This is worse then Mistlock in every way. The only thing this gives is fishing players something. And underwater Golems. You still need to go to Arborstone for strikes and eod vendors. Jade bot work bench is a Guild hall deco, just place it next to the port and boom. Honestly what this does is confuse me even more so that they made Arborstone a mastery track. And Gave you a free portal to it. This should have been given with the EoD expansion pack like the lounge with PoF was.

All I heard is you LOVE fishing now in Fishlock sanctuary!

I feel that, with Arborstone in EoD, an EoD pass is a lot less interesting than other ones historically.

Damn, being an explorer type player who was disappointed that we only got 4 maps after PoF's 5 and coming from a very small guild that makes me sad, thought that the level 80 area that turns out to be the Isle of Reflection may have been a Living World 6 area. As for the pass I'll give it a miss although if they added the following features I would buy it ... A scribing station, would love to make my own banners just for that reason alone (maybe make the station free for guilds that have one and for those that don't have a guild hall locked behind some sort of large collection). Optional: A jumping puzzle, I had fun doing the one at Armistice Bastion Right now its about as useful to me as the Lava Lounge Pass, I'll stick to Arborstone for Cantha. P.S. Something I'd pay gems for .... All of the portal tomes and passes merged into one, right now I'm carrying around 10 portal tomes and passes stored in shared inventory slots.

What even are VIP passes? Why would I buy one over teleporting?

if i didn't already have my mistlock pass i would get this.

3:35 I spy a Tiny. ;)

I still don't see the point of getting those when porting to the PvP lobby is available to all, has vendors and bank and trading post, and exiting puts you where you started at

I never see that you could just go one floor lower to get all the way point of Tyria in Mistlock Sanctuary!!

Does it have a Fractal Portal?

A boat portal... or Bortal, if you will