Hello Nicholas I thought I had watched this clip before and you confirmed it. I am very sorry this has happened to you. I was wondering why you don’t live with your family. Also, how did you come to be involved with mental health if that is not your condition? You don’t need to answer if you don’t want to and I wish you well regardless 🙃
Thank you, i just hope that things will be better in the future, answer to your first question - My family have health needs of their own and live in a home that isn't suitable for wheelchairs and they don't have the space for me, they would have me if they were able to but sadly it's just not an option. Answer to your second question, "People with a learning disability and autistic people can currently be sectioned under the Mental Health Act even if they don’t have a mental health condition. This is wrong as people can end up detained in a mental health hospital just because there is a lack of the right support in the community, not because they need inpatient mental health care. We are urging the government to bring in the Mental Health Bill and make it law. The changes need to be strong enough and brought in as soon as possible so inappropriate detentions of people with a learning disability and autistic people stop, and this human rights scandal cannot ever happen again. (Source: Mencap)@@hansiesma16 At the very start though, i was being bullied when at a residential post 16 school and we were split into different houses, one day i said that i'm not going back into the house until the bullying was sorted so ended up staying outside the whole night... the next day, the school told me that they'd move me to another one of their houses but ended up taking me to their mental health unit instead despite me never being diagnosed with a MH problem etc, i just have Autism (the company that owned the schools also owned them) after that Essex / NHS had to get involved and ever since then, it's been a struggle to get the care that i need and a suitable placement, they have put me in dementia homes, old people homes, hospitals, drug and alcohol units (ive never done them either) all across england and Wales
Hi Nicholas. I hope things get better for you soon and that placement in the community comes through. I don't have questions. I just wanted you to know that someone saw you, heard your words, and wished you and your family well.
It is positive that you were able to express yourself in this way, hopefully, it will lead to not only helping you, but also saving others from facing these same bad conditions, even with all the adversity you are facing, you found a way to do something heroic. I wish you and your family the best.
Makes me sick to my stomach. The true test of the character of a society is how they treat their most weakest and vulnerable and we as a society have failed Nicholas and others like him who do not have a voice.
Disgusting , these are people who should come first before any financial considerations.. if we can’t look after disabled people we should be ashamed as a country that we have failed to get our priorities right ..
I am an autist. Inclusivity only exists if someone can adorn themselves with it. But in every day life you get all the misunderstanding, anger, stigmatism just because you are different. My brain works differently. It can do immensely complex tasks, more so than neurotypical people, but it also has its weaknesses. It's bad enough that we get bad representation in movies and shows, they only show the stereotype of neurotypical writers that imagine how autists must be like. Influencers like @TheCriticalDrinker mock us in every other video and millions laugh. Also Government and not even many psychologists have knowledge what it means. When I was in therapy, before I was diagnosed, the psychologist said that in his studies he read a little more than a paragraph about autism... so if our experts do not even recognize, how are we supposed to get the help we needed? I do not live in the UK and it was an 8 year struggle to get recognized and support... Autists are cool in videos/movies. Spencer Reid - "Criminal Minds", Lisbeth Salander - "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" (Millennium series), Dr. Gregory House - "House, M.D.", Sheldon Cooper - "The Big Bang Theory", Adrian Monk - "Monk", Max Braverman - "Parenthood", Christopher Boone - "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time" (novel), Shaun Murphy - "The Good Doctor", Temperance Brennan - "Bones", Billy Cranston (Blue Ranger) - "Power Rangers" (2017 film) just to name a few... but the moment we don't greet the person on the street, we get stigmatized :D I am very open with my autism and let people know why I do things and why some "ridiculously easy things" are impossible for me to do and why some "ridiculously impossible things" are tasks I like to sink my teeth in. It helps to make people understand and thus respect each other better. Good luck to all these disabled people and I hope they get the proper help they deserve.
@@-...-zed-...- Yeah, I think he is no better than the people he talks about, just on the other side... Same with Nerdrotic, Disparu, etc... They just earn their living with toxicity.
The problem is that the autistic people in those shows are “useful” autistic people. They’re portrayed as incredibly smart individuals. People would frown upon those characters if they had average or below-average intelligence.
I just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to write that. It must be frustrating for you as it is for me to be glamorised when it fits another box-ticker's agenda only to be completely forgotten about. I suppose I must be grateful I didn't have to experience what the poor man in the video had to endure. I sometimes just give up on humans doing anything good rather than being vain or arrogant.
@@NicholasThorntonOfficial I am so sorry you are all going through this, I cannot imagine how hard this must be for you. Social services must be held accountable. Have you not tried the legal route? It's a failure of duty of care. Your story has really upset me. Another example of the country failing it's most vulnerable; how incredible he is to keep fighting.
Mental health confinement in the UK is awful, antipsychotic medications such as haloperidol have awful side effects that do more harm than good, the doctor was insisting my friend had to stay on these meds, or they would not get better, and they threatened to keep them sectioned locked in the hospital longer if they didn't keep taking the meds, on these meds they could barely function, cooking food or walking to the shops was exhausting for them, it was only when they got off these meds against the doctors orders did they show signs of getting better. It's very difficult in that situation when they had mental health issues, no one would take what they were saying seriously, they were considered not capable of knowing what is and isn't good for them, and they were threatened to keep taking harmful medications or else the staff would come into their room physically restrain them, pull down their trousers and inject them with a tranquillizer in the butt, and then give them an injection form of the meds that were making them worse and not better. People who are mentally ill and sectioned have fewer rights than someone who is in prison for committing a crime. Staff members threaten to and often tranquilize patients out of convenience rather than necessity, one person who had breathing difficulties was tranquilzed for raising his voice at dinner time saying he felt upset about the conditions in the hospital, he had breathing difficulties and died, he never woke up from being tranquilzed. Doctors run to harmful medications too quickly when things such as art therapy would be more effective, and staff threaten the patients into submission out of convenience.
I can't stress enough how difficult it is for a patient to stick up for themselves in that situation, the more they try, the more they are medicated, and the more they are medicated, the harder it is to be coherent. The medication is like a chemical lobotomy that will have them drooling, barely able to string together a sentence, the easier it is to dismiss legitimate issues and concerns as insane nonsense and gaslight them.
@@johnsmith1209 yes I know what you’re saying. I had a brief brush with mental health services whilst my mum was dying and I found myself drowning. What I experienced and witnessed of others convinced me that no matter what, I needed to make sure our paths never crossed again.
We worked so hard to resettle people from old school long term hospitals so people could have better lives. The sector is going back over. So many originations put profit before care. We worked hard for people to have a person centered care provided. I came into this sector to make a difference and this is becoming increasingly difficult to do. Sad times
This is absolutely appalling. Please don't stop covering this particular case and all the cases of people who A. do not have mental ill-health but are kept in psychiatric hospitals and B. anyone who is mistreated to such a disturbing degree whilst being in any hospital/care facility. Thank you to Nicholas for bravely sharing his story and highlighting this atrocity
This is very sad for me cause i'm a young adult with autism and i have a passion for drawing anime and writing stories. The world is a cruel place and we'll get through this everyone. God help us.
A lot of private ones are especially the priory healthcare like Cheadle royal where there's been 3 deaths within a year because of lack of supervision most private go under looked
No doctor I ever talked to ever asked me a question that wasnt a tick box. They are not trying to understand, they are trying to make money by not understanding
If a judge in any court of law can have absolute immunity in court by being the only one who can recuse themself in a hearing, imagine how much power/immunity the ICC has. The ICC being theInternational Criminal Court.
They have their own health needs and are not able to have me at their home as it's not suitable for wheelchairs etc and doesn't have the space, they'd have me if they could but they can't sadly
Honestly, guys, the situation in mental healthcare is not one most people understand. The science is still behind many other branches of medicine and there's a real lack of reliable diagnostic techniques. Burn-out is somewhat common in the mental health professions. Medications often involve trial and error. . . There's also the implicit bias and stigma against the mentality ill or disabled which does affect people in health care professions too. At some point, someone will make a huge advancement in the science of the brain, mental, developmental and personality disorders. But it's a complicated organ and a psychiatrist doesn't have the same kind of refined tools that, say, a cardiologist does. Not yet. Complaints from patients about inadequate treatment are common. It's not always clear if it's a reasonable complaint or if patients expect more than present-day psychiatry has to offer.
But i'm not on any medication apart from pain relief and anti spasm meds for my spine and have never been diagnosed with a mh condition, i shouldn't be here, the hospital even agree on that but Essex are just using the hospital as a "bed" when they are not trained in my needs or anything - maybe i misunderstood your comment but i'm sure you'll correct me if i'm wrong
Agreed in principle but you and others seem to be conflating autism with mental health, that is the issue in this case too: Nicholas is in a mental hospital when he needs a dedicated autism and learning difficulties centre/team (such services seem not to be available, I'd hazard a guess this is at least in part due to Tory budget cuts). Autism and learning difficulties are not mental health conditions, they are developmental disorders and those who specialise in mental health do not specialise in or necessarily know much about autism or learning difficulties, this is what people on here seem to be missing.
It's a terrible situation. But I don't know what the answer is. To expect the health care system to look after this man for the next 50+ years seems unfeasible and unfair. I'm not sure where would be the best place for Nicholas. Perhaps with his family?
Why can't i get the care and support that i need and supported to give back / contribute to society? why do i only have to be cared for? i'm not a vegetable, i'm a human that is able to with the right support give back to society but i haven't been able to due to the neglect and failures of essex
@@littlemissgroovedo you have any idea what being neurodivergant is? Look it up. Things like hospital lights, machinery operated and new staff time after time abusing you. It's no wonder Nick is unable to speak.
Mental health is not the same as autism. The specialists are in different disciplines and people with autism shouldn't be held in mental health hospitals where the staff don't know how to help them. It's like saying someone with cancer should go to the psychiatric ward.
Totally agree. The more people choose to treat one another with dignity and respect by not forcing unhealthy compliance, the better people like Nikolas will be treated. Try to make the connection Nikolas, I know your quite bright! 🙂
Thank you :) I didn't understand it how you did but i'm happy to admit that i was wrong if i missed the connection which it looks like i did, thank you for explaining it to me@@anneo6476
Brits have national health care at the expense of their taxpayers 😂 So increase taxes and increase salaries of the caregivers and everything will be fine 😂
"He's an autistic man with learning disabilities" Also "No diagnosed mental health problem" 😂 Which one is it? It can't be both. I can completely see how this might happen in a general ward or a mental health ward. It isn't that the staff don't understand, it's that this isn't their job. To give a non-healthcare analogy people might understand, it's like putting him on a plane and wondering why the flight attendants can't spend all of their time caring for him. The story shouldn't be about which public funded body should have to pay to look after Nicholas. The question should be, why can't and why aren't his family looking after him and taking on that financial burden? The brother says he never imagined having to look after his brother, why not? He's not the responsibility of strangers, he's the responsibility of his family. He's going through all of these things because his family aren't fulfilling their obligations.
Autism isn't a mental illness etc Your analogy in my situation is ignorant in my opinion, my mum / brother live in a small council house with health and care needs of their own and haven't got the money to, they would if they could, Seb said that because i wasn't wheelchair / bed bound before essex did what they've done to me, i hadn't been in a wheelchair my whole life so why would he imagine having to and my family do everything that they can, thank you
You sound like someone that hasn't been directly responsible for or even around an autistic person with neurological and/or physical limitations/divergence. I don't blame you. Why would people understand this if they've never been exposed to it? My eyes were opened with I had my son and he was eventually diagnosed. 1) Autism isn't a mental illness 2) You can't begin to comprehend the struggle and toll it can be to look after someone that is neurodivergent. The see the world differently and can be triggered by sensory stimuli. Most people and institutions don't take this into consideration when they play music in stores, have flashing lights, lack wheelchair ramps, or a plethora of other things that would surprise you. They can be overwhelmed by stimuli, which can put a halt to any outing. 3) Compound all of these challenges with the fact that they get bigger physically. I can lift my son now, but won't be doing that often when he's an adult and I'm in my 50's. 4) And don't forget that EVERYTHING is significantly more expensive when it's "adaptive". Wheelchairs, orthotic shoes/leg braces, a van equipped with a ramp and big enough for a wheelchair is double the price of one without, special beds, g-tubes and pumps for feeding, and the list goes on. 5) The time that this takes. My son has epilepsy and has to be monitored all the time. Unless you confine them, which is inhuman and disgusting, it's exhausting trying to give them a good life that they deserve just like anyone else. If we're going to provide social welfare, we need to look out for all parties, those that are cared and the care givers. Instead of pumping money into these facilities, they should be aiding the family in watching them and in-home aides. And there people that don't have families. They deserve better than this.
@tjmarx OK go tell that to every single family that has an elderly relative in a care home and see what they say to you. You're just too weak to accept that abuse like this happens because it scares you so you've got to find a victim to blame.
That's not true, they included A&E in that number and other hospitals, dementia homes, drug and alcohol homes, elderly homes and not one place actually trained in Autism, also being taken away from family and friends, being moved all over the UK
