You are right on both counts MPGunther! People are asked in court all of the time by prosecuting attorneys and judges, "why didn't you just walk away?" I would rather walk then have to answer that question! Plus, if you can walk away, even with your ego a bit hurt, you won't have to defend your actions, or pay an attorney some fantastic sum to defend you in court.
my wife and i are both armed. One stands guard while the other gets the cash. Any problems we are more than happy to send them into Eternity. The world we live in~
Don't ever go to the ATM or get gas at night. It's unfortunate that I have to say that, but it will reduce the possibility of you getting robbed. Plan your life accordingly.
@@santoscortes9656 in my opinion the best response is only giving identifying facts such as that is the attacker and that is the knife he used. I plan on cooperation and giving a full statement but I need to speak with my counsel first. Especially in this case it’s not going to be hard to prove your case because most ATM’s are next to banks and there are cameras everywhere.
Personally when I have to use an ATM I go to one indoors. There's one near my house in a gas station. Yes it's in a convenience store, but it does face the door. In addition I work hard to only go in the day time.
Whenever I use an ATM, I don't square up with my back facing away from it, nor do I focus all of my attention on the machine. I keep my head on a swivel & pay attention to who's around me & what they're doing.
At my old age running is out of the question but when I use an ATM I always check my surroundings for nanything suspicious nand I always make sure my weapon is in a position that is easy to get too. I use a slid type holster on my Glock 43x and it is easy to move to the front of me if needed.
Knives can be horrendous but you can survive a slash or maybe even move away of maybe your clothing protects you. Any shot center-mass from any average size caliber gun, will likely kill you. And any head shot surely will.
I was at an ATM when someone walked up behind me and a little too close for comfort. I bladed my body, put my hand up and said to him "you're too close, back off!" I wasn't rude but I still got my point across. He complied.
Situational awareness, thanks to active self-protection, I'm always looking around when I'm at an ATM, constantly picking over my shoulder, and prepared for the worse.
I'm a retired LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) from Minneapolis MN. I have seen where partners were forced to shoot some desperado and even though it was a legal and justified shooting, the officer could not accept the taking of a life. They became alcoholic and eventually took their own life. Even though they were cops, they were not prepared for the trauma of taking a life. I am disabled from on the job, I carry when I mow the grass or blow the snow. If it comes down to me or the assailant, I'm going to go home that night. I am prepared.
Excellent advice. Almost 30 years ago I went to a drive up ATM at a bank in my "safe" neighborhood around 11pm. I was smart enough to look around and I noticed in my side mirror that there was a guy peaking out of the doorway of the apartment building next door. I decided to pretend to put my card in the machine and moments later he rushed towards my car so I quickly took off as I had left the transmission in gear. As I drove by I saw him slowly return to his hiding spot so I called the police to let them know. Since then I never use an ATM and instead I get a few hundred in $20 bills a few times per year to grab when I need cash. It's all about avoiding situations that are higher risk and harder to defend.
@@coyoteblue9733 assuming the bank was open, most of the time it is not. Have you ever tried to get away from someone while setting in a power chair, you have to turn your BACK to them to do so. Like I said I have no choice BUT to stand my ground.
@@floydbraido2426 there's this thing called prior planning. If going to an ATM causes you that much of a problem then you need to plan so you don't need to go to an ATM. Do you shop at Walmart or anyplace else it allows you to get cash back when you check out? The only time I ever go into an ATM is if it's my wife and me and one of us is getting cash and one of us is watching what's going on around us
There have been variations on this topic before and every time it comes up someone responds with "By Gawd I go where I want." If that's you fine, I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just explaining my philosophy based on my experience. I've had quite a few run ins with trouble in my life. Over time I started noticing patterns. When I changed the patterns I noticed that a lot of the trouble went away. True story bro. I've actually never had a problem at an ATM but enough of the experts recommend avoiding them that I just do. I'm also a follower of Dave Ramsey and he (along with several other financial advisers) recommends keeping cash on hand at all times so I really have no need of an ATM anyway.
I think the better answer to this scenario is not be in the situation in the first place. Keep your cash at home. Be your own ATM. Getting cash out of a box in public will *always* put you in a compromising position.
Lithus17 I would reply by private message and answer your questions on how I secure my valuables, however you are no more than a common 'no content' internet troll hiding behind a keyboard. Figure it out for yourself.
When going to an ATM weather is in the daytime or in the evening you must maintain situational awareness even before you go to the ATM. You'd be surprised how people when they're rushed and pressed for time get what I call tunnel vision and don't look around to see if there's any concerns or threats. Now if someone enters your space or as she said your bubble while maintaining a Garda position use verbal commands to tell him to step back while you finish your business but at the same time maintain vigilance awareness
The difference in attitudes in some gun channels really show the difference in the size of egos involved . Good sense spoken here for sure. Thank you so much
Once was in line at a club with some friends. Another friend and I were standing at the back of the line, about 20' behind the rest of the group. A guy comes around the corner and asks us for money. The way he was looking around and kept fidgeting with his waistband, it was obvious we were being robbed. So, we both gave him $20 and asked if that was enough. He looked at us, looked over at our friends and says 'you better hope so' and backed away and disappeared though a hole in the fence. Then, of course, our friends gave us grief about giving that bum money. If I had been armed, I probably would've resisted and maybe someone gotten hurt. But, clearly that wasn't necessary. I just wrote it off as a dumbass tax, for not paying attention.
NO! not pepperspray, you have to have the wind in your favor, have the button handy, a taser or stungun is much better, or a (i hate to say this because i hate dogs) but a big dog, take your friends dog for a walk, worst you will have to do is pick its waste up.
Love this channel! I agree with everything said in the video. Personally I opt to use the drive up atms. That way I have access to my CZ under the dash. Upon entering my pen I constantly check my mirrors. I also agree about knives!! They are horrifying, I’ve been in a situation in which a knife was pulled on me, I can tell you, 10+1 rounds of .45 ACP seemed minuscule. I still remember, he was at a fairly close distance and the knife was curved almost like a claw. Fight or flight kicked in and I ran. The guy came after me and that’s when everything turned real. I realized that this was actually happening. I was able to get distance to produce my firearm. At first he didn’t run which made my stomach sink... So instinctually I put my other hand on the firearm and created a thumbs forward grip. After seeing this he ran off. I’m guessing he may have realized it wasn’t a “toy.” I’m happy I got passed the ordeal but learned that, it’s not like the movies. Sometimes drawing isn’t enough to stop a determined badguy.
I tend to avoid ATMs all together especially at night,I usually go inside the bank during daylight hours for withdrawals. I try to avoid nighttime scenarios like that as well as stopping at gas stations in the evenings, leaving shopping malls or movie theaters etc, situations like these can be avoided by taking care of business during daylight hours.
I really like this format where someone, like Noelle, is asking Kevin great questions, received beforehand from people on the website or Internet. It gives Kevin time to find the best answers and options before recording. It's the best way to find those questions and scenarios that may not be typically thought of. Another great channel possibility for USCCA.
How about not using the ATM and going into the back/S&L instead? Except for some various and unusual circumstances, I NEVER use the ATM. I always plan my day, trip, vacation around not having to withdraw money from an ATM. Remember the 5 P's, "proper planning prevents poor performance" or in this case poor decisions. That way you avoid the chance of getting mugged at the ATM or having to shoot someone and face the legal results of that action.
This recently just happen to me but my firearm was in the car , It was early in morning like 7am while I was in there the person left who’s in there left out the arm and let them in ..luckily I was watching and had my knife on we tussle for a min then I pulled out my knife He backed off.....Thank you Jesus for protecting me
I’ve told people before to “Back off, get away from me.” If they slow down but keep coming I’ll repeat myself w/a warning; “I’m not kidding” with my hand on my gun in my pocket. This usually works and I’ve never had to escalate things beyond this.
If you see someone approaching -- "Can you give me some room, I'll be done soon ?". No answer - Bug out. Continue approaching - Bug out. They answer but continue - Bug out. If you have room to draw and shoot - Bug out. If you don't have room - Bug out (with hand on un-drawn gun). Hey - there is a certain commonality here, isn't there ?
Yes, your greatest weapon is not a large knife, high capacity firearm, or direct phone line to a police station, it's your brain loaded with the confidence only professional training can provide. A cool head educated with many real-world self-defense tactics is much more important than any physical instrument wheeled by an undisciplined, untrained, and timid soul. "Warrior mindset" is always at the heart of what I as a self-defense instructor have always tried to instill in my students; from American Kenpo Karate lessons to firearm, security, and ballistics training.
this may be because I am a woman, but plan ahead....go inside the bank on a weekday, and withdraw money or go to the drive in teller. Don't use ATM's unless it's an emergency. Get a credit card and use that instead until you can get to a bank opened during the week. I just don't think it's worth the risk these days. I think using one inside a store is a much lesser evil if you absolutely have to use an ATM. If you have a friend with you who can watch your back, I think that's a pretty good plan to if you have to use an ATM.
I am a retired federal law-enforcement officer for the DOD, and I’ve had since then three major back surgeries, which prevent me from running very far or fast. I do like your suggestion on how to disarm A knife, and there are some other tricks that I learned as a military policeman/investigator (called a MPI). I am quite capable of handling my weapon, having a LEOSA card and have fired the same course active LOE’s must qualify, I have a concern where those of us who have handicaps or disabilities that under normal situations Would be able to run away from, but running for me may mean that I drop to the ground because my back will hurt so much and the inflammations from running will squeeze off my nerves where I will be unable to feel my legs beneath me causing me to fall to the ground, in less than 75 feet! I wish that you guys would do a video for those of us that have handicaps and disabilities but are still able to control and handle a firearm, as to whether having such a handicap or disability, especially in states where you must retreat first (I live in Florida so we have a stand your ground law which does not require need to retreat) changes the way you react in cases. For example if I try to retreat but my back won’t allow me to retreat any further and the suspect is coming at me to steal my money, I may give it to him and see here take it, but my experience in law-enforcement since that guy had to chase after you he will beat the living crap out of you just for running. So I may in this case while on the ground with a perpetrator looking to commit a robbery or strong arm robbery with possible assault or aggravated assault, I will turn around and shoot him, because I’m otherwise defenseless to move. (Also in Florida, all those crimes I listed above are crimes that allow a person to use deadly force). But I’m not sure that meets the stand your ground or since I can’t retreat does that mean I can really shoot the person? As a police officer in civilian life and most of my time in the military police, if I was running and fell and then someone was coming after me I also risk them taking my gun for me, so I would be justified to shoot them if they came after me with the intent to cause bodily harm and possibly steal my gun and shoot me with it. So it would be interesting if you guys can do a video on the legal issues involved handicapped/disabled who qualify to own a gun and what if any their disability allows them to fear for their life where someone like me if I don’t fall I can I can fight with the best of them and not have to draw my gun.
As a courtesy, I sand a good distance away from the ATM when waiting on someone already there. I'd unintentionally be that scary dude if I went close up while waiting.
Yea, I got one of those high powered stun guns because of the knife issue. If you keep it in your hand or in your arm pit when it's dark or those type situations it might help you block a knife attack or even get a stun against them while your pushing them or the knife away. It has to be a big strong $40 stun gun at least.
Ok, so what about a scenario where the thief comes up to you with a gun drawn at you, you notice their finger is on the trigger, and is demanding your money? This is the type of scenario that should have been brought up amongst the others. Yes, it's said that the thief usually only wants the money. This is not always the case, in many situations, the person trying to rob you WILL still shoot you, whether you give them whatever they want or refuse to. If you try to walk off or run, they still shoot you. If you put up a fight and find yourself at a disadvantage at some point during the fight, they could possibly still shoot you. These types of things happen more commonly than people think or are aware of. What do you do then? First instinct is try to put them down. What do you do in a given situation as described above?
I recommend subscribing to the channel "Active Self Protection", which has videos of real muggings (like this and others) with commentate every day. Based on those videos you should never draw on a drawn gun but rather feign compliance until you see your opportunity. The USCCA member (David) at the barbershop did that very well and came out ahead.
Tactical Canner made a good point ... feign compliance until you can get an advantage, but the situation described above is one of those Kobyashi Maru, "no way out" scenarios. If... IF... it is clear that this situation is going to degenerate into a fight, or worse yet, a shooting... you have to resort to a close quarters battle tactics. And unless you have trained in such you have just insured you are in a 50/50 deal and that is not where you really want to be. Inside lunge distance, you are likely better off going for your attacker's gun and making sure you push it off line AND KEEP IT OFF LINE! That typically requires two hands, so you are reduced applying knee strikes and, very likely, ground-fighting techniques as you hit the deck in the struggle to keep the his gun from being pointed at you. It's a bad situation all around, but during a CQB situation with the attacker's gun out and pointed at you, reaching for your gun is a sucker's bet. Maybe... maybe... you will be able to get hold of the attacker's gun or gun hand and shove it off line as you try to draw your gun, but that is asking a lot of your support hand, all alone, under stress. Like I said, bad situation all around.
The first mistake was allowing someone to get that close to you especially without recognizing it. Situational awareness is key. If they’re that close and already have a knife out you’re screwed. Throw the money at their face to distract them and create distance while you’re accessing your firearm. Scream out commands to draw attention of witnesses. Try to avoid ATMs if you’re alone. I understand that might not be possible.
I got carjacked at an atm once, was pretty scary. Guy climbed in my back seat while i was distracted with the transaction. Son as i finished he grabbed hold of me and demanded the money.
Great information guys... I have an idea where to carry while in a wheelchair but I want to get your ideas. My question is where is a good on the body carry location while in a wheelchair?
We're glad you enjoyed the video, Rocky! These are two great resources to give you some more ideas: www.usconcealedcarry.com/fighting-from-a-wheelchair/ www.usconcealedcarry.com/bear-arms-in-a-wheelchair/
Sometimes I will go into a store with an ATM. They may charge $2.50 for the cash, but it's worth it if you are not secure outside. Sometimes, when outside, I will turn sideways and keep a lookout, till the transx is finished. I am ALWAYS looking around.
Ok. I have one for you. You’re walking down a street and some guy or guys come up on you, not necessarily to rob you, they just want to beat you up/put a hurting on you. You don’t see a way out of the situation. You don’t see a weapon, but know/feel that your life is in danger. Do you draw and shoot?
First let me say that your comments were spot on. If I did not know better I would have said that you were one of my former students. :-) I teach that the goal is not to pull the gun but to survive the deadly encounter. This could mean, walk away, run away, punch them in the throat, or shoot them. All are tools to survive the deadly encounter. Thank you.
The best fight to win is no fight at all. Even if your actions might be legally justifiable you still might have a very uphill legal battle you’ll have to fight. Not in all cases, but it is not a situation that is unheard of. Especially if you got a dirty player such as a DA who doesn’t care and wants to get as many guilty’s as possible. If you can avoid your sidearm do it. One reason why i like USCCA. They will pay for your defense even if you choose non lethal force such as pepper spray! Whereas CCW SAFE will require you to discharge a firearm to provide you with your membership legal benefits. Which is wrong. You’ll be more empowered to wrongly use lethal force because you’ll be scared to use lesser amounts due to your insurance not covering you. USCCA will cover all forms of legal self defense.
Knife fights are the worst. The ATM I use had a door you can lock. I did that. Guy breaks the glass, brandishes the knife and tells me to give him the money. I told him my card just declined so I'm broke. That made him angry and he attacked me. I had no escape route. I figured I could reach his knife hand faster than I could my gun so I pushed him into the glass and tried to take his knife. I succeeded, but had to have a finger reattached.
You should be traveling around the Country teaching this and I am listening to all info and agree with every word The best fight I'd no fight and situational awareness
Always pull up as close to the ATM as you can. That way the potential robber can’t come between your car and the ATM. First have EVERYTHING ready to go BEFORE you pull out up to the ATM. Don’t want to waist time looking for you card in your wallet or purse. Second, have your weapon OUT on your lap so if you need to reach for it quickly. Thirdly, keep you head on a swivel, look around you. Try and take someone with you, do not go late at night or early in the morning. If you pull up to the bank and “feel it’s unsafe” trust your instincts and drive away. NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES use the walk up ATM during night time.
My then teen son was robbed at gunpoint at a drive up ATM late one night. Guy took his money, phone, wallet, and keys. He was uninjured thank God. The bank did reimburse the money he was robbed.
When I go to an ATM now it's a drive through so I pull the car a little to the side, stop the car and put the keys in my pocket and get out. I then scan the entire area and I am always carrying my gun. I start the process of putting the card in and pulling out cash all the while continuing to scan and I always go to a busy area right in the middle of the day. Once I get my cash I pull my car out and watch for anybody who might be following. No issues so far.
I’m with you sir. I got cut with knife all the time when I was younger, and that did feel good at all. When people talk about knife fight, my skin get cold.
Solid advice, but this all comes from poor planning. I use the ATM of my choice. I select the location, time, etc. This prevents the need to find an ATM out of necessity. It only takes one hand to use an ATM, the other should be on your firearm, if you carry one. I do this as a matter of habit, even in the environment I utilize, to reinforce the habit. Preparation is key. I'm not going to be caught unaware. If I put myself in a vulnerable position and crap happens, who is at fault?
Avoid ATM's all together. If you use a debit card while shopping most offer to give cash at time of purchase, even then people will be watching you walk out the door so always be aware.
A few hundred bucks takes effort to earn--and, on top of it all, a chunk of that effort earns the government money and not even yourself so that they can pay people to stop crime. So, if that doesn't work, you're well within your natural rights to stop it yourself. Speaking of unnecessary force, force is always necessary to stop a crime. That's why it's called a "police force." So, if you use force to stop someone from committing a crime against you, it's always necessary. Think about it.
My comment was a bit snarky and not intended to be taken very seriously. I totally agree with your focus on situational awareness along with avoidance when possible. Nothing at all wrong with a word you said,. It's just a bit repetitive in places with the "hit the cancel button and leave" advice. Maybe you are just repeating it for the slow learners. HA!
Overseas we learned, live to fight another day. In this scenario, don’t expose yourself. Go to a supermarket with an ATM inside. Watch your 6 and put that money in your pocket and card and then walk inside the store to dispel any potential tails.
1. Look around the area surrounding the ATM before you even get out of your car. 2. Keep your head on a swivel when putting your card in the machine and entering your code. 3. Turn your back to the ATM while it's working its magic to produce your money so you can see if anyone is approaching. 4. Take your cash and go. Don't even count the money until you're in your car in a safe place.
If a person is too close to you, with one foot forward and the other back, you reach out with your hand and push them back with your full body weight. Then yell, "NO!" Hitting someone square in the chest like this with an open hand is not going to hurt them much, but it will do a couple of things. First, it will put them a safer distance away. Second, it will startle them. If their intent was innocent, they will likely think you are insane. But here's the thing about crazy people. People are a lot more reluctant to attack them. I remember in a self-defense class, the instructor grabbed me and asked me what I was going to do. I jumped backwards, spun around, and ran the other away. He thought that was pretty good. The point here is that the goal of self defense is to preserve your life. It's not, necessarily, about overpowering an adversary. And sometimes doing the exact opposite of what someone expects is the right move.
Again very informative video training scenario I like the videos that you guys put out in the training scenarios I like the discussion I am an elite member 3 years now and I will always be there with you to my dying day I appreciate all that you do and I'll work that you put into these videos and the time it takes to produce them and the training that you present You guys are awesome and again I will always be a member till my dying day thank you
"...the person just wants the money." Not always just the money. More and more often, young women are being kidnapped and forced to pull out all their cash, or forced to reveal the pin numbers of all their cards (and forced to prove the numbers are correct at the machine). They've often taken away from that machine to do so...and we know what being taken away means. Moreover, such abductions can occur suddenly and within moments...a car pulls up behind the woman and within five seconds she's gone, even in broad daylight. It's better to avoid using street side ATMs at all.
I really wish there were more of these videos that cover what a handicapped or disabled person could do. Run? Physically not possible for me. Cane-Fu, yeah, dunno if that's as effective as it's supposed to be, as most canes are lightweight aluminum these days. 20 rounds of 9mm? That seems like a valid option, but one I hope never to need. My actual biggest concern is getting a space opened up. Cane behind their legs and push could work, if they're not expecting it. For me though, I just don't carry or use cash. Not at all. Don't need to use an ATM, as all the stores and services I use take plastic. So I guess I use avoidance for the most part.
