Bit of advice for non-Germans watching this video: The word liberal has arguably a different meaning in Germany than in the US, I would describe the party that he is referring to as neoliberal/libertarian in US terms.
Nah, it mostly means the same. They want the same thing, but in Germany that mostly makes you right wing, in the US it usually makes you left wing, just because the current politicial and social situation is so much different. A lot of conservatives in Germany would even be considered progressive in the US
@@LucaBl I disagree. I would characterize US liberals primarily as socially progressive, putting the focus on things like abortion rights and discrimination. They are only capitalistic secondarily, and even that not universally, they sometimes make exceptions. The German liberals, especially the liberal party is first and foremost characterized by economically right-wing policies. They are the most economically far right party in Germany. Secondarily I would characterize them as socially libertarian, wanting little involvement of the state into society. For instance, they are for the legalization of Marijuana. However, they are very content with giving up this socially libertarian policies, if they can get economically right-wing policies in return, so much so, that they have been in a coalition with the conservatives most of the time they have been in government, and the conservatives have been called the "natural coalition partner" of the liberals.
You want to know the real horror? The American and German liberal mean pretty much the same thing. Only there, the liberals dominate? Have you looked at mainstream democrats? Not too different from the FDP. They're just the majority party over there, you can basically choose between AFD and FDP in the US.
@@LucaBl It's complicated...even in the US one had to differe between "liberals" in the sense of having a "liberal mindset" on social matters, Neoliberals, which are mostly about free market ideas, and Liberaterians, who tend to forget how "liberal" they supposedly are the moment something like abortion is the topic. In Germany, the word "liberal" is very much connected to the FDP, a party which was basically the king maker between our conservatives and our Social Democrats (not to be confused with socialists, that is something else), for decades. So our FDP is a mix out of neoliberals AND people who do aknowledge that there are areas in which the markets can't be completely free, but it also tends to be consequent in that it is also pro social liberal issues, like legalising canabis and making abortion easier, and data protection to prevent the state from exercising to much control, while our AfD, those are basically liberaterians who have teamed up with outright neonazis. But when a German talks about someone being "liberal", they think more in the direction of the FDP which is NOT considered a leftist party.
@@someonerandom713 Not exactly. I'm just opposed to anti-SJWs that only oppose for "my idpol is better than your idpol" reasons. I am, coincidentally, anti-myself because I'm a depressed fuck. And I'm not left wing (at least in the anti-capitalist sense).
I still think that "Social Justice Warrior" is the most bad-ass sounding thing in the world. Someone calls you an "SJW" it's probably because you're fighting the good fight against someone who can't be bothered. I don't get why anyone would take it as an insult.
I used to work for an institute that did anonymous political polls for public broadcasts on German TV. This was a few years before the AfD even came into being, but the underlying tendencies that helped them rise to noteworthy power so quickly were already there - partly expressed in electoral numbers for the then worrisome NPD, the openly nationalist party that has since become completely irrelevant (almost like the support for both them and the AfD isn't about anything of substance but eeeeeeeh). There was this phenomenon well-known to long-time pollers that when talking to people who were audibly from the ex-GDR (audibly = clear accent), you would sometimes get people that openly declared their allegiance with either Die Linke or the NPD, yet be favorable towards the other when it came up. I asked a colleague about it when I first encountered one of these "I vote far-right/nazi but far-left will do in a pinch (or v.v.)"-pollees. His summation was basically: The idea is to disrupt the system by any means that seem most promising. What makes "extreme" parties of any kind favorable to these kinds of voters isn't their position on the spectrum, it's that they would radically change what is currently the case. The fact that this still doesn't seem to have changed much in roughly 10 years, including the decline of one and rise of another Nazi party, speaks volumes about how we and our government still think about and treat "the East" and how a sizeable portion of that population reacts to it. It's a similar (though not the same) phenomenon as steel workers/miners/et al. in the US flocking to Trump.
Yeah that does sound similar to the rust belt region here in the US which traditionally voted Democratic but the status quo unpopularity of Hillary turned them off in favor of Trump. But now with Trump mishandling Covid, those states mostly voted Democratic again so overall they just seem like moderates who will flip on a dime to whoever they think currently sounds good
It sometimes feels like the increased political partisanship might be that a result of a small percent of people not switch back every time they switch between left and right. This can easily explain the increase in partisanship and the decrease in swing voters. This is only a unsupported theory but it’s interesting to think about
Also literally true for the left and right anti-democratic parties in Weimar Germany. Reds and Brown Shirts more then once flooded the conferences to shout the speakers down. And i guess they have a point. (though still not enough to saves their skin if the push comes to shove.) Its like they argree to "first get the vehicle." The question who drives comes later.
Love having Dan around. Sad that Three Arrows has been on hiatus, but I get where he's at. If he sees a better way to contribute to that channel in the future, I'll still be here. And the Iron Dice is great. Was never a big history buff on the Weimar Republic, but he makes it entertaining and approachable. And it's insane how *relevant* it is today. Glad you had him on to talk.
Merkel personally voted against gay marriage, but she ALSO allowed a free vote on the issue, knowing fully well that it would mean that gay marriage would become a reality. That is why it didn't hurt her popularity, because she demonstrated that she was able to step aside and accept the desire of the majority, instead of insisting on her view on the issue being the correct one, no matter what. Plus, the gay marriage vote was more about the question if gay couples should get exactly the same rights any other married couple had, including certain tax breaks which are designed to encourage couples to start families, a form of recognices gay partnership existed beforehand, too. Though I admit, I have no idea how Merkel voted on this one.....
The Iron Dice is brilliant. Hearing about all the relevant background information like just how much of a myth the military planted with the "Stabbed in the back" narrative, the Kiel mutiny, all of it's great.
@@lordj3793 First episode establishes the way the military seeded the lie, second covers the mutiny and the various seizures that were going on around the country after the end of the first World War.
Irgendwann vor vielen Jahren habe ich komplett aufgehört, das deutsche Internetz zu verfolgen. Im Ergebnis verstehe ich die ganzen Kommentare hier überhaupt nicht mehr.
I love when vaush does these foreign politics, or gets people on to take us out of the "American culture war, celebrity politics" mindset. its incredibly refreshing
@@Retog Ok, you can still have good political ideas and benefit the world while not thinking communism is the best system. People from former eastern socialist states are usually not very fond of communism and communist esthetics because how shit and dysfunctional our countries were. Someone who is an effective anti fascist is 100 times more valuable than a Twitter communist who doesn't vote, doesn't do any direct action and only posts communist tweets.
@@januszkurahenowski2860 Although I agree with the second-half of your comment, the former Eastern states weren’t really socialist or Communist. Not being fond of Communism just means you don’t understand what Communism is.
German Lawmaker: I don't support this bill, so I'll vote against it during the final floor vote. American Lawmaker: I don't support this bill, so me and my colleagues will prevent it from even being brought to a vote at all.
Yeah, pretty much. To add some context: While Merkel voted against gay marriage, she allowed a "free vote", which means that the members of her own parties were not required to follow the party line. She knew perfectly well that this would lead to the gay marriage bill getting through. (On a lot of issues, the parties agree on a stance and then all the members are expected to vote accordingly...they don't HAVE to, but it would be politically difficult to just block a project of your own party).
@@bumblebeeatbreadloaf1286 Well for me it has a historical significance. since I am from 3 Arrows's neighbor country, Czech Republic. And we had quite a bit of history with Germany. So that was how I entered this community.
As a Pole yeah, I think this is a phenomenon experienced by all post-Soviet countries: global capitalism destroying people's livelihood after opening of borders and (state-favoured) deregulation strongly contributed to the people's turn to xenophobia and conservatism. I mean, while the economy of Eastern Bloc was very weak, it's not like we didn't build/produce anything. But all that (local, national) industry went down the drain after USSR collapsed and politicians adopted the policy of deregulation (pushed on us by the West). A doctrine of economic shock it was called (basically - markets will sort themselves out). Ironically, a lot of people from the previous regime profited from that. And so now we have a plague of resentful populist ultra-conservatism.
Yeah, but a lot of the stuff which was produced was sh... compared to what the rivals produced, and the states itselfs were pretty much bankrupt. East Germans actually fell pretty soft, because due to them being integretad in the German system, there was a working social system which would continue to pay their pensions aso. and change their currency into something which was actually worth something. But naturally this doesn't matter for someone who had a "not really something to do" job and ended up being unemployed (the "hidden unemployment" in the GDR is estimated to have been at around 30%, because people where just put into jobs, even if there wasn't really a job for them).
@@swanpride I did say the economy was weak - logistical issues, bottlenecks, shortages, inflation, debt, and the "hidden unemployment" as you said, we all know it. But how would you feel if someone took your stuff to the torch because it wasn't as good as someone else's? People hoped that escaping soviet communism would allow our industry to correct the issues, improve, that without inefficiencies caused by central planning and siphoning resources to USSR, we could finally compete. That was the myth. Instead it meant takeovers by foreign capital. Real estate shenanigans. Empty speculation. Corruption. Closure. Dismantling. Unemployment. Brain drain. While, as usual, a few people got pretty rich. That was the 90s of course, things have changed since then (EU funding helped a lot too). But not for all. And the grudge, the distrust remains.
I think you should talk more about European politics in general. Generally it was interesting albeit known by me as I am German, however the later part was more interesting for me. Especially how the US meddles with everything and how it's not even good for the US itself. You do this to an extend, but I think you could do it more often and more in depth. It gets foreign viewers more engaged while also educating (to an extend) your American viewers.
There is always a danger when American's talk about European politics, because they tend to equate things to their own political landscape. The best example for this is the tendence to equate Corbyn to Sanders, and the lack of understanding that what American's consider "the left" is more the centre in European politics, since the US doesn't even have a meaningful leftist political party.
Giving Christian Lindner the chair of finance minister, is like giving Sauron the One Ring. I don't even want to think about the consequences this will have for both the lower and middle class.
@@Tacklepig Their argument was that it is different from modern imperialism. Which is partially true. The Romans acquired territory by making trading deals with local groups, offering them their protection and part of their wealth, in exchange for them surrendering their sovereignty after the the death of the current leader (this happened to the Iceni, and lead to Boudica's rebellion of Britainia), or by marching in with soldiers and killing everyone who disagreed with their rule; the US, by contrast, rarely directly claims a location's sovereignty, instead using puppets or economic systems for control. Or, another way, the US engages in a less destructive version of imperialism then the Roman did.
@@scottsbarbarossalogic3665 thats generally how imperialism functions after the 1950s. When markets became globalized, economies became much more politically important, when back then your country could have a shitty unproductive economy but if it could mobilize a stronger army than you win, carthage vs rome was an excellent example of this.
@@Tacklepig This is a bit of an "umm akshually", but the latin word "imperium" at the time of the late republic and empire referred to a general's right to command an army. It was only later that it came to have the meaning it has today in english. Similarly, the word emperor derives from the latin "imperator" which refers to a general. mediaeval writers might have used the word "imperium" to mean empire, but in the latin of the Roman empire itself that is not what the word meant.
I wasn't ever super deep, but I never clicked on his stuff because I thought his channel was actual nazi propaganda because his logo really looks NS. Which is really ironic
@@Aetohatir I think that was more or less the style of everything in germany, be it the Kaiserreich, Weimar Republic or the 3rd Reich. You can see that by looking up Weimar Propaganda Posters, where the style remains the same, no matter the party. Personally, I find this design quite eye-catching and endearing. It's more exciting than modern political design/propaganda.
Three arrows and his videos are great. I'm said to admit I hadn't heard of his podcast. They're not usually my thing, but I might make an exception for his stuff. It's always really calm, well-thought out and researched.
Actually shaun and three arrows were reactionary channels to European right wing channels like sargon and atheist. Their presence were formed alternatively with breadtube presence.
@@elarbolfeliz reactionary can be good or bad it all depends on context. Right wing reactionaries are often always exaggerated twisted takes to fit a linear narrative.
i kind of miss these days. and like, old contrapoints, not that shes not great after the transition, but i really feel like losing those early years leaves a gap in the continuity
@@shaheenshad5012 "In political science, a reactionary or a reactionist is a person who holds political views that favor a return to the status quo ante, the previous political state of society, which that person believes possessed positive characteristics absent from contemporary society."
As somebody who was born and still lives in East Germany, I have of course looked into the situation and why the AfD has grown so strong in this half of the country. It is multifaceted in regards of the Reasons. As Dan mentioned, one of the reasons is how the re-unification was handled economically. To put it simple, a lot of east-germans see it as a plundering of the East German economy by the West. Entailing this was a massive surge of unemployment during the early 90´s. Next to this there is also a still existing wage-gap when compared to west-german states. And I have worked in a job where my west-german colleagues earned up to 25% more for the same job and amount of work hours. Things like these have caused a lot of resentment here in the East, next to causing a vast part of the population to fall into resignation when it comes to participation in the democratic process. We have a lot of people who don´t vote at all, since they feel it won´t change things for them for the better. Another reason is more one of perception by the people here. Next to that you also have negative stereotypes on both sides and things people experience, like when I was told "Ossis are useless"(Ossi = term used for east germans) to my face, while the other person didn´t know I am from East-Germany. Now I personally just shrugged it off, because the person in question was just an idiot. But a lot of people of course nurse such slights and carry them back home with them. This of course plays into what Dan stated in regards of feeling looked down upon. Living in the East, I have the distinct advantage of being able to talk to people directly, be it friends, relatives or co-workers. And in many regards its a feeling of being used as a scapegoat, by the "western controlled Media" and also politicians, for whenever something goes wrong in the Country, like the surge of far right political parties. As for the political activities of the AfD here in the East. The "blood and Soil" rethoric is certainly a part of it. But a lot of their work, like here in the North-East for example, is that they address certain issues like the disappearence of certain infrastructures. Like closing down of Government Offices, or local Clinics and Hospitals. Which are of course legitimate worries of those who live in these regions. And the AfD pretty much lures these people in by presenting itself as the only party that addresses such issues.
Well, there are SOME parallels between the West-German/East-German break and the North/South divide in the US. The narratives are pretty similiar. In the US they do the whole "Civil war was about State rights" thing and the "belle south" movement, in East Germany the equivalent is "Ostalgia" which descrives nostalgic feelings for the time of the GDR.
Guys if you haven’t listened to Dan’s podcast go do it, it’s really good. He does a deep dive into the end of world war 1 and the rise and fall of the Weimar Republic right up to the outbreak and takeover of nazism. Having the history broken down by a German who has spent years studying the history of their own country was very enlightening. It’s also terrifying all of the parallels between this country now with its ever psychotifying violent right wing and the decaying Weimar Republic.
@@grmpf 1. The joke was obvious 2. The guy I addressed couldn't understand it and neither can any other non-German speakers tbh, that's why I at least explained the words 3. I'm not German pal
@@Alias_Anybody I am sorry that you are annoyed for some reason. Anyway, are you sure you understand what joke I'm talking about? Here's a hint: What if the guy you responded to does speak German? Are you getting it now?
This is an amazing conversation between two of my favorite political content creators. Vaush has my respect for doing things like this consistently. World view is important, and it’s important to have a truly international world view.
Good discussion. It's such a shame that "Die Linke" is so internally divided and thus ineffective, I hope they can somehow get together to formulate a sound political plan. And hopefully the FDP doesn't get too much to say, Three Arrows is right to point out how destabilizing and damaging more years of austerity politics would be.
@Aurelia lol, Wagenknecht isn't a class reductionist, she's a reactionary populist. Even her takes on class and economy aren't really left wing. Tbh almost every take I've heard from her in the last few years bordered on right wing populism, just with lefty aesthetics. Calling her a class reductionist gives her WAY too much credit, she's literally a liberal on class issues (and that's using the term in the context of german politics, so FDP-adjacent)
@@Tacklepig That's just wrong. She's in favour of a high minimum wage, universial pensions where everybody pays into it, much higher taxes for the very rich, increased heritage taxes, more state built housing for the poor, the abolition of punishments for social benefits recievers and a lot of other left wing/anti capitalist points. Calling her FDP-adjacent is just ridiculous. You can make the point for right wing populism regarding immigration, but she's definitely economically much further left than the FDP or the SPD.
@@michaelwerkov3438 That are all points the FDP would be highly against. From an economical standpoint Wagenknecht is pretty much in line with the politics of die Linke, and much more left than any of the other parties in the parliament. You can criticise her for her view on immigration, but to call her economically fdp-adjacent is just absurd.
@@michaelwerkov3438 They were talking about failed US war efforts like Vietnam and Afghanistan. Since the US has the biggest military dick in the world, we can afford to wage abject wartime failures and then just pack it up and go home afterwards like nothing happened.
Vaush!!! Buddy Vowsh!!! Do more 1) talking to mentally stable people with real beliefs and 2) not being a prick. This was easily one of your best/wisest videos you've done
My little sister has a friend who's family votes almost entirely Afd.. the reason? "They are the only one's who are able to save Germany at this point.." :') Welcome to the east ^^
Another thing about Die Linke (The Left) in Germany is that they are not only anti NATO (look how well that aged btw), they are also anti EU, and pacifist in general. They would never advocate for EU military, because they are opposed to international military action in general. They are very nationalistic and isolationist in that way. Which is why they can win on local and state level, but not nationally.
The eastern parts of the country which began embracing the AfD because of less job opportunity, more urban decay, and hostilities towards foreign workers just reminds me totally of the rust belt here in the US with it's shift away from the traditional democratic wall
It's also a demographical issue which leads to a staticistal anormaly. Young Germans leaving the area while Germans who don't want to deal with fascist mindsets avoiding to move there leads to the AfD getting stronger. Doesn't help that East Germans lack the "we have to stand up against fascism whereever we see it" mind-set, the people of the BRD are taught to have. There are exceptions, though, see Leipzig, but, well, Leipzig also happens to be the city of intellectuals before the war, and the place where the revolution which lead to the fall of the Berlin Wall grew. In addition, participation in elections is considerably lower in the East, which is most likely a result of decades where elections really didn't matter. And if you don't vote, you basically leave room for the far right to rise.
just wanna push back a little bit on some things, when he says that eastern germany was more conservative cause of prussia its only partly true, prussia was very militaristic but also established a lot of the social programs that are there till this day (mostly to take the winds out of social democratic sails, but still) and also was saxony (the country that is all blue far right now) called the red kingdom, cause it had a very strong industrial and worker base, while being ruled by a king still. Bavaria is also very conservative and was ruled by a right wing christian branch that only recently got more centre. Until few decades ago, they were still holding onto the concept of rape in a marriage being fine and ofc are against abortions, homosexual marriage and all that good stuff. So its not only the east that votes right wing, its only now they vote a party that is closer to nazism and sporting fachist figureheads.
Small correction: Saxony is not "all blue far right now". Only 25% voted for the far-right party. Dont let the loud minority dictate the image of a state. Thank you.
He also has the geography a little bit wrong, because the society he is talking about, that was mainly in the actual German east, the one which is Poland nowadays. Middle Germany, which is nowadays east Germany, was actually the centre of German Progression. Leipzig was the centre of our publishers, Weimar was where Goethe and Schiller were active, Luther started his revolution in the area aso. He is somehow right that the support for Social democrats were always pretty strong in the geographical west, because that's where the Ruhr area is located, but the south (meaning mainly bavaria) has always been conservative as f... while the area which is nowadays eastern Germany was the centre of enlightenment aso. The whole land nobles thing, that was even further in the east, on the other side of the Oder.
How is that an argument against his point on prussia? You acknowledged that it wasn't because prussia became less conservative for a while, it was part of a push to crush movements advocating for workers rights.
I'm kinda of shocked Vaush didn't see any connection between what happened with East Germany, globalization after the wall came down, and the shift to the far right and the USA. Granted it is not exactly the same, but to me, this is great comparison to what we've seen over the past 30-40 year middle America.
I very much loved this stream. I love such interesting and productive discussions, over laughing at conservatives (which gives me a headache,i dont wanna hear them lmao)
Europe's "welfare state" (socialized services) don't cost Europe money, they save Europe money--- they are more efficient than private versions of the same services.
In the Netherlands a lot of people shifted from the leftist SP (Socialist Party) towards the nationalist PVV (Party for Freedom) in the last decades. I don't think its because of the ideologies are closely aligned (they definitely aren't) but a large portion of the voters are lower class people and those who are dissatisfied with the status quo voting for anyone who is anti-establishment and has the most chance of toppling said establishment. Also far-right nationalism in Western Europe is wholly different than far-right Nationalism in the US. Most of the far right parties hold several left-wing positions like maintaining or even expanding the welfare state and are generally not influenced by religious fundamentalism. In the Netherlands for example the PVV also support more progressive social policies like LGBT rights and progressive rights like abortion - Though I should hold that these positions are mainly held aesthetically.
i feared there would be useless talk about Linke members like sarah wagenknecht and how people think what the reason was for their failure BUT i was surprised about the actual context of the elections and the map with the districts shown is maybe a little bit irritating for those who don't know the 2 vote system
First of all, well done for trying to learn. Secondly, you have so much to learn about Euro-politics. I'm amazed at how Vaush completely missed the mark several times. I guess this is an example of how everything is seen through the prism of US-policy. You really need to do a bit of history if you're ever going to understand.
"Divided and bad at messaging." Did you mean progressives in general? Like I get that suggesting new things has a million options compared to no change which is only one but damn the left needs to get better at unity and messaging.
"Did you mean progressives in general?" No. In this case, Dan specifically reffered to the german party "Die Linke", which translates to "The Left", as Vaush asked him how he felt about them.
40:05 Being anti-NATO is a very popular sentiment in the European Union. Especially since the Iraq War debacle. Most vocal opponents are for example the French, which support the creation of a European Union Federal Army (though not necessarily to replace NATO but to counterweight US influence). NATO finds lower support among a lot of countries due to the reputation US foreign policy holds in Europe. exception is Eastern Europe; NATO is very popular because of their opposition to Russian aggression in the neighborhood.
also the Europe Union is generally safe and seeks to prefer soft power over hard power. Militarization and defense is a very uncommon issue in especially Western Europe. We don't generally think we are under threat without NATO, as we are still somewhat guaranteed of our safety by the European Union, especially if plans of a federal army materialize.
It's less an anti-Nato and more an anti-Allow the Americans to call all shots sentiments. Like, they would have no issue with Nato in itself, but with the Americans having so much control within it. Hence the idea to basically recreate Nato, but without the Ameircans. But yes, Europeans feel that their consirably soft power is more than enough to defend themselves and that they shouldn't meddle militarily in other countries anyway.
Oh boy that’s a lot of misinformation in a single comment. Firstly, being Anti-NATO isn’t very popular at all in Europe. Quite to the contrary, being Anti-NATO is a fringe position not just in politics, but in the general population as well. Let’s look at some stats in order to provide some actual evidence to my claim, instead of writing baseless nonsense. According to pew, NATO holds an approval rating of 61% in Europe. Only 30% of respondents said they were dissatisfied with NATO. Let’s look at some Western European countries, since you claimed that NATO only holds a high favorability rating in Eastern Europe. 60% of Germans, 66% of Brits and 72% of Italians approve of NATO. Secondly, to the claim that the French are vocally Anti-NATO. According to the same poll, conducted by pew, 51% of the French are in favor of NATO remaining at the heart of French foreign and security policy, with only 30% saying they disapprove of NATO. In regards to the creation of European army: such an army is a proposed measure for increasing the EU’s security. However, it’s not meant to be a counterweight to the NATO or the US, but a rather another pillar in Europe’s security infrastructure. Lastly, let’s disprove your point, that the US and by extent its foreign policy are disliked in Europe. According to polls from Gallup and Pew, the US holds an approval rating of 62% in Germany, 65% in France and 64% in the UK. In conclusion, basically everything you stated is incorrect and can be disproven by a 3 minute web search. All of the polls I used are the most recent ones available and were conducted in 2021.
@@skeletonsmasher2955 I have to agree with each point of yours except the last point. The approval rating is not a good tool to analyse how liked foreign policy is.
I still don't get why the AfD is so strong in eastern Germany though. Is it because East Germany took advantage of fears and values that led to fascism in the first place, and that ideology is still in place in the region?
1. There's still a clear economic divide between the West and East, 2. East Germany was totalitarian and in many ways ended up continuing a lot of the Nazi totalitarianism and statism, so older people who lived through the GDR and see it fondly choose parties that might want to bring back that 'golden age', 3, A lot of these voters just want radical change, from the far-left or far-right, it doesn't matter to them. If you're not aware, the trend of working-class people who would have voted left-wing socialist parties, flipping over to right-wing populist parties, is pretty much the norm now in European countries - as 'working class' jobs and industries have been sent abroad and our economies become more based on increasingly insecure, un-unionised service sector jobs - priorities and culture have changed. As long as you're promising to fight the more abstract things like 'culture war' and just overloading people's brains with junk, you'll win over those people who still actually vote anyway.
@@dog-ez2nu Ah, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks. Still pretty scary though. I mean if all leftist parties in Europe are subject to possible destruction at the hands of the far-right, then I'm worried about what the future has in store.
@@soccerguy325 ironically the reason they vote far right instead of left is because the majority took a step to the left side thus making the AfD the new "extreme" choice. (oversimplified)
