These girls, what I have perceived, are kinda outspoken, bold and someone who know their rights and all the stuff. The girls who usually face harassment are often the naive ones, who are not outspoken, who the men think as 'soft or easy target'. So a solution for girls to avoid harassment is be not the soft target, don't be friendly, don't have soft or mild tones. Just be authorative.
That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.
That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.
Loved this podcast. You guys tried something new and as a university student myself hearing the university comparison in our circle everyday thankyou for adding some new information. Keep up the goodwork guys. And hats off to these young women representing their universities with well experienced lads.
That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.
That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.
I believe Bhawalpur University's case is 100% true because I saw it with my own eyes in my universities and yes you men are absolutely right, we (men) are very dangerous when it comes to this. I did my graduation from UAF (main campus) this event exists there. In the PU it also exists... I am currently a postgrad student at PU so these things exist and people like these should be punished regardless of gender.
Yes these things do exist,sometime subtly,sometimes with hostility. But it cant be labelled on the whole of the male gender. That guy in podcast,was right,exploiters and harrasers form an alliance,but every male doesnt joins them. All aren't without conscience. The women perceptions about male gender as intimidating is imperfect and over geralized. All women are not alike,neither naive,nor victims. Some are(mostly from rich backgrounds) are themself exploiters and harrasers. Exploitation has to do more with socioeconomic superiority mostly,yet also with criminal mentality,again a product of our failing, unjust,unequal society. That male participant was right,politics and political debates should be a part of youth's education,after all they are the leaders of tomorrow's society ? Will they let society decay,as it is decaying now ? Will they constraint themself just to podcasts and "mera khial hai" opinions ? What is the khial of masses ? Dont they need to listen to it too ? In a failed society,will they bring any change by remaining isolated to their own(somewhere very rigid) opinions ?
"culturally inappropriate" ? What is "our" culture ? Do we have socioeconomic equality ? Culture is based upon socioeconomics. When we have different classes,and their subclasses,can we have uniform culture, accepted and endorsed by everyone ?
Ifra,what is communism ? Do you have any idea ? Communism is giving equal opportunities for PU students,like those of LUMS and LSE. Anything wrong with it ? Does LUMS or LSE class has any human advantage over others ? Just because of their wealth(unknown sources),they should retain the superiority over others ?
Coz there’s basically nothing in Pakistan. Every organisation is corrupt, the country is fully controlled there’s no freedom of speech, money talks everywhere, no merit based system, corrupt leaders, no democracy, poor job prospects poor career prospects, low salaries and a lot more. Why waste your skills and money in a country which does not respect you and appreciate you enough. They don’t value individuals therefore people leave for places where they earn what they deserve
I'll tell you why. Our society has no morals. There is no security and stability. There is zero tolerance towards people who think differently from the mainstream. And a lot of young people think differently but can't express themselves because, as i said, there is no tolerance in society and a general lack of critical thinking skills. And everything is 50 times worse for women and minorities. A women is not seen as an independent human being who has god given human rights. She is seen as a burden and an object that must be controllyby men. And last but not least, Pakistan doesn't protect its children. Children from poor families have to endure a nighmare. Their lives are hell. They are used by their families sold into harsh labour, often abused and sexually asualted by a wide variety of people in society and have no one to protect them. Some are sold into prostitution and some are literally cut up into pieces for organ extraction. Children are the most vulnerable and as a state and society, we have completely failed them. Just go and see how bad child and in general human trafficking is in Pakistan and then you won't be asking why young people want to leave this country.
That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.
Please maintain the legacy of this channel…. Is channel ko hum iss nazar sy dekhte hain k Jo khaen sikhny ko nahi mile ga woh yahan mile ga…. I admire this podcast but go for something informative and get us some deep stuff please
That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.
It is universally true tht women feel safe with women.... It is a natural instinct that Allah (SWT) has put in women... I feel these students or freshly graduates haven't seen life in it's true nd real form where they could realize that yes women colleges should be seperate....
It's doing nothing, because after graduation when you go to professional lives,you have to work with men no matter what, because you can't get women and men offices separately,so what's the point? Instead we should teach men and women to be in their limits and this thing should be taught in homes, schools,and colleges
being a PU hostelite, i think there is a misrepresentation, I have witnessed girls leaving late but not all of them opted for this... however, the hostel canteens are like open till late night... so that was correct of being 24/7
Respectfully, it would be nice to see Aman play the role of a facilitator rather than an instigator. Let the women speak, irrespective of how much you disagree with them. Hats off to haider, who is a great host.
Great podcost " Awr b maza ata agr diff provinces k uni cultures discuss hota" and diff provinces k guests hota " but hope ap log wo b cover kar lenga " All the best for the future podcosts
That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.
Great podcast! However, it wouldve been more interesting if you had male counterparts from their respective universitites and they could simultaneously describe their experiences in the same environment to analyze male and female experiences. Nonetheless, an interesting discussion. Well done to you moderators for keeping the conversation about them and not you!
That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.
Amanullah is way too intellectual than those 3 ones. But please keep this podcast informative. I think this is less University or student version and more general information version 😂
The LUMS Professor who was fired was a known offender. A female student went to speak to him. She was wearing a unique-looking hoodie with a zip on both arms and in the center. The teacher opened the zip on one arm and jokingly said oops!!! The incident was caught on CCTV video, and there was testimony from another girl who was with the victim when the incident occurred. Professor was summarily discharged. This was a very minor and isolated case blown out of proportion by the girl. In my experience, there are instructors who are extremely friendly and accommodating to students in return for favors. Note that I say students, this is a genderless thing in LUMS, at least. For girls, it's usually one of two cases; either they don't fully understand the fact that in power-imbalanced relationships, no consent is possible. However, this lack of awareness results in a confused girl unsure if what happened was harassment or consensual, thus the incidents not being reported. Then there are the groupie chicks who deliberately indulge in banter and flirting. Predators keep pushing their luck and the limit with such girls until they get lucky or get burnt. I have seen students reap major favors and a lot of rewards as a result of sucking up to professors. I can attest to that from personal experience as a student counselor and someone whose friends did such things. My own roommate was responsible for ensuring a certain professor never ran out of joints, and in return, he was able to graduate in 6 long years despite an abysmal 2.1 GPA, but that professor stuck out for him and got him all manner of favor including giving 3 straight 2 credit hour self-study for three straight quarters. The same guy ended up dating a French Professor who taught at LUMS for two years. My then-girlfriend and I would often go to the faculty apartments to chill. Alcohol and charas were common places, and certain girls, were permanent fixtures. Thanks to my roommate, my girlfriend did not once have to sleep in the common room during Spring or Summer. She had her own key, her own room and her own bed in a professor's apartment for practically the entire summer of junior year. These things happen openly in public. Hidden in plain sight. You just need to know where to look. The biggest most prime example of harassment is U**R B***R in the Student Affairs Department. Tharki-e-Azam LUMS. I'm yet to come across a girl who hasn't needed 2 cold showers after meeting him and I'm yet to see a girl who hasn't indulged his tharak. So it swings both ways.
And one more thing respect your elders.. like the lums studenet said dont interpret me.. to hammad bhai. It is ok..but its bot the way you ask for space to any elder.
In 21st century, 2023 people are discussing girls n boys should sit together or not in univ.....duniya kahan puhanch gai hai aur hum loog basic cheezo sy nai nikal sakty
For a country in which bullying is shugal we donot need incidents to change we need a change of mindset and trust thia fact that poverty or riches nothing can cause this change but a miracle.
I personally like that women in black dress and brown Chadar and that ucl man because they both are being practical and realistic while keeping the religious beliefs in mind. Also, that lse women, she is a student and being a student, she is speaking from her own pictured perspective and being somewhat realistic. I enjoyed that PU women and UCL men perspectives
Don't bash me but the PU Girl seems extremely low intellect, she doesn't have clarity of thought. Secondly if it was more relevant to women experience they must had been listened enough. Amaan speaks and interrupts unnecessarily, and women expressions were portraying as they are employed by this Thanos that's why they have to bear him speaking for so long during the major chunk of the podcast.
1:28:06 bara jihaad kiya ha bibi, ajeeb she's sounding too dramatic and I don't know what exactly the issue she has with "dupatta". Nhi lena tou na lou bibi but at least stop portraying it as it's a hurdle in your growth. Aren't you hurting the feelings of those who wear it? Ajeeb matlab, aesi cheezon pe tanqeed krkay bss in ko "cool" lagna hota ha
TBH I felt that what she's trying to portray about Hiajbis mostly ye barey shehron k log aisi soch k hotey if a girl is wearing dupatta she must have that difficult background or class difference...which is not at all justified.
Istg If I could collect a penny for everytime I have heard " backward area k log parda kartay hai or as if uneducated larkiyan hijabi hote hai" or something like that...I would have been a billionaire by now...Why is it assumed in a Islamic country that hijabis are somewhat inferior to the liberal girls... A hijabi will be considered an easy target but a liberal girl will be respected...No hate to these girls but what the girl in the black dress initially said is very wrong..I know she didn't say anything bad in particular but if you are a hijabi you know what I am talking about...Someone once considered me mom to 2 freaking kids just because I wore a dupata (mind you I was 12 💀) I am no more a teenager so I am not affected by this but this mentality needs to change... A hijabi knows her responsibility to her Lord ... She holds her ground no matter what.. So to all my hijabis .. dress in a way that pleases Allah not the society
I'm not a permanent hijabi,yes I wear duptta sometimes,but I agree with your pov, ppl really think especially women and girls that if you're doing parda and you're a hijabi that means that you have backward's mentality,and many ppl think that hijabis are boring and not fun to hangout with or be friends with
As soon as the man in blue says he doesn't believe in the theory of men and women working together, these women become defensive and starts attacking the guy personally by saying things like “ohh womens perspective is being damaged because of one guy interrupting “ etc etc
There are clear examples that men and women can work together if they have made their boundaries known. If there are workplace harassment, that happens everywhere. From Madrassa to male dominated only offices.
@EON Podcasts please level-up this podcast and discuss the real issues of universities like "why we, and our universities failed in research and development? why are we not developing anything significant? why are we not inventing anything. Why students are dying to get grades and jobs and not contirbuting anything meaningful to the society. Why are we in identity crises. and HOW TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES. These are smalled issues "k larka laki ko ikhatha parhna chahye ya nahi, comfortable hain nahi."
Among these four beautiful and super intelligent ladies, Ifrah was eloquent but dumbest of them all. Aman's input at the was the crux of the debate, his uniformity of thought and clarity of mind is absolutely spot on. Good show
We should not see univeristies as a "career" making institutes, we should see them and universities should also aim to make them as an institute of "Great human being" making institutes.
Let me correct about the student politics. The Pu girl told that there are no elections in the student organization which is incorrect. Islami jamiat talaba hold elections every year where it's president from national level to city level changes and hence new bread comes and hold the positions.
No offence to the PU girl but how one can be completely oblivious of the marginalisation women face in Pakistan. We are second worst country after Afghanistan according to a report released by WEF. It means second worst in overall Asia. Domestic violence, rape, kidnapping, subjugation, honor killings, dependence etc against women by their own family. So either she is blinded by her media job as most of media cells have this gutter mentality: idealizing people like Orya and khalil Qamar, or she is just oblivious. Wow! I also disagree with Aurat March but saying ky ghar se lelo huqooq is the epitome of dumbness and petty mindset.
This was such a confusing and I would say useless podcast. Nothing new , everyone knew such common information, no outcome . I can't decipher the concept or the result of this talk.
Listening to Sania and her views about the Bhawalpur incident and how it was 'exaggerated' out of proportion is disappointing. As an LGS alumni who went to that specific branch, studied under those pedophiles and watched them have inappropriate interactions and relationships with my friends, I can attest to the fact that almost the entire faculty was complicit. While not all the teachers were harassing their students, everyone knew what was going on and allowed it to continue. Initially, students would complain to the administration about this inappropriate behavior. But the result was always the same: 'it is your fault for being so provocative', 'you shouldn't smile or laugh so openly around men', 'you shouldn't wear tights' etc etc. And so eventually we stopped complaining and everyone turned a blind eye to something that ruined the lives of many women around me. I believe that all of these adults, people in power and control, people charged with keeping us safe are to blame. They are complicit by association, making the whole system corrupt. As an educated woman with a decent amount of exposure to the outside world, I would expect for her to be more empathetic. But all I see is victim-blaming.
Ull find many ppl in lums who are not students of lums every where, like computer lab , hostel common rooms & everywhere. If u have sticker of lums on ur car u cn enter anytime.
Samaha got v rude w amanullah it was quiet obvious and he stayed quiet. The lse one (ifrah) was a little sensible and altho pu one wasn't relatable i really appreciate her for being her authentic self. Baqi better questions guys which aren't controversial and less inturrepting n not acting superior. Love the shorts, keep doing this w other uni ppl too
As the PodCast concludes all I can say is Sanniya what a legend bndi. Mtlb ky solid. Legendary Bndi. 14 toppon key salami. Out shinned and out classed everyone else and shut even Amaan up. Haha
What's wrong about Aurat March or males participating in it ? What's the definition of "a male" ? What if tomorrow some people decide to do a "mazdoor kissan gareeb" march ? What would if some conscience and little "selfless",as compared to more "corporate", more self induldged women or men,decide to support it in whatever way they can ? What would these "experts" call them ? When these ladies were talking about harrasment,were they supporting it ? Condemning every act of injustice needs a march,and not only that,a practical struggle. Aurat march,as a concept,is just the start of such a feminine equality to men. One speaks from one's own class and thus comfort zone. They have a right to speak out their understanding. But then they should go out,and ask everybody concerned and thus upgrade,humanize,justify their own opinions. This is life,all about. Not being dogmatic and improving upon constantly. I agree with Ifra,to large extent upon this.
Great Podcast, But I disagree with sania, she disgraced "dupata", "hijaab" multiple times and kinda linked it to out-dated and backward-ness. We all need to get to out this inferiority complex
The lady with black dress somehow has prejudice in her mind for southern Punjab and other provinces of Pakistan. I think the reality is different these days. Punjab university has produced some great names like Answer Masood
1:07:42. I would just like to point out that this statement is true whether you're a man or a woman. I wanna know from the hosts k walking in Karachi if a strange man approached you apka pehla khayal to yahi hoga na k apke khayalon ki tapish zinda hone wali hai, as compared to a woman approaching you. Also what Ifra is pointing out is that there are so many social indicators that tell our conscious and subconscious brain if the current environment we're in is threatening to us or not. I would've liked to see you taking these points into consideration instead of just dismissing it as k attractive man is not threatening while the not attractive man is threatening.
well it's nice topic Good discussion i also seen on tiktok first time seen on RU-vid only this video ap ny Kia Kata Kia nai but massage both acha Tha I loved it English me galti hoi hoto I extremely sorry 😂❤
Very 3rd class video, at times the hosts behavior was unprofessional and at times had weird premature judgments of these girls' backgrounds. They should treat all their guest like they treat that Uncle, Tariq Saab, who comes on this podcast frequently.
I haven't talked to a man in my four years and i can still talk confidently with men,maybe i feel of most men as incompetent for the role of patriarchy,maybe i need to see some real men.
After listening this whole conversation want to say so many things but is difficult for me to explain on comments section anyhow I really enjoy Pakistan zindabad ❤
