I 2 marked mine already and i also tried playing it like a 780 but ive learned its not really like a 780 but it plays better as a valor its like the same dpm the body is kinda the same bad body but the turret is way better then valor testes in custom games that when using 5.5 - 7 degrees of depression a taran or jag cant pen the turret anywhere and you cant see the commander hatch anymore after 5.5 degrees and the gun mantle isnt pen-able and the cheeks are a auto bounce its not crazy good but definitely better then normal