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Tibetan Parliament member representing Kagyu School Ven. Tenpa Yarphel speaks against Nechung 

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As said by Kagyu Member of Parliament Tenpa Yarphel:
I have something to add relating to the previous question about the Department of Religion and Culture. Many people have voiced their opinions about the Nechung Oracle. Even in meetings, they always talk about Nechung and all that. So I would also like to share my opinion on this.
I know that our government is involved in both religion and politics. In the past, the Minister of Religion and Culture has said that our religion is based on following what Nechung says when he takes trance. Nechung says all types of things. Even today, the “supporters” make many statements to this effect. Buddha Shakyamuni gave 84,000 teachings but Nechung taking trance is never mentioned anywhere in them, nor by the Seventeen Great Panditas of Nalanda Monastery. So, this is not real Dharma. If you say that this is our religion, then it is wrong. Following Nechung in trance is a mistake.
Those who support the Middle Way pretend to have faith in the Dharma and the Dharma Protectors, and they say we have to offer them everything. But this does not make any sense to me. If you support the Middle Way, you don’t have to believe in Gods or Protectors, much less the Dharma. These type of people pretend to have faith in the Protectors. They act as though if they don’t exist, we cannot get food, we cannot get drinks, but they are actually the ones creating conflict in Tibetan society and the public must know about this.
We are quite involved in Dharma. I know quite well what is written in Dharma. You make gods and demons (referring to Nechung) take trance and after that you make decisions. But this is not real dharma and His Holiness the Dalai Lama has said this before.
Fortunately, the Minister of Religion and Culture said today that discussions on the topic of Nechung are happening again and again in parliament meetings. I don’t remember exactly what he said but if it is not necessary to do this, then we better not do it. He said something along the lines that if we do not consult Nechung and listen to him then it is good! It is totally unnecessary, it always creates conflict. Within our society, the issue of gods and demons still exists. What has happened in the Tibetan community within the past 50 years? Everything is upside down. People say this is a god, this is a demon… This conflict has destroyed our unity. If we can end this conflict, I truly rejoice.
The Minister of Religion and Culture has said that the public has been bombarding them with complaints and difficult questions and that they should not be doing this. But if we don’t ask them, who should we ask? The Department of Religion and Culture is the one who pays their salaries. They are the ones who increased their salaries. The Minister of Religion and Culture is saying that without this, it’s not okay. But there is nothing to be grateful about. What is there to be grateful for? We have to discuss this. Where is it written in the Buddha’s teachings that the Nechung Oracle must take trance?
When Nechung takes trance [[Tenpa Yarphel makes choking sounds]], he makes choking sounds (as though his neck is being strangled with rope). No one understands what Nechung is saying. Who can understand Nechung? How did the person who understands Nechung learn how to do so? Did he know from birth? By Nechung saying that a deity is a god, is a demon, or a spirit, he has segregated the Tibetans.
We are in the 21st Century but we are lagging behind the times. I want to make it clear that this is not pure Dharma. The Department of Religion and Culture is not doing what they should, and doing what they should not. That’s what I’d like to say.
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@adamdawson3274
@adamdawson3274 7 лет назад
Tenpa Yarphel is brave, honest and loves his country. He loves the Dalai Lama and Tibetan people. He wants to fight for freedom of speech and a democratic government. He does not want Tibetan government to rely on oracles and gods and Nechung. No government in the world rely on gods/oracles to decide things. It has been 60 years and Tibet is not free because Tibetans are not doing anything to get freedom but rely on oracles. This must stop. Tenpa Yarphel is a hero.
@tendesh6147
@tendesh6147 7 лет назад
Yeah yeah we belive what u said..... Whatever which helps ppl shud keep it. But things like shugden whose aim is to harm ppl shud abolished. If u dont wanna take refuge Palden Lhamo and Neychung thn its ur wish but majority of tibetans do it. Anyway what did ur shugden and yarphel do any goodness for People? S far s i remember u have done only 1 thing that is harming others.
@adamdawson3274
@adamdawson3274 7 лет назад
Shugden is harmful or not harmful is not up to you to judge. Leave it to the individual. You don't pray to Shugden so you don't have to worry about it. People who wish to pray to Shugden has the right to pray to Shugden and that does not make them bad people. Religion is free. 7 billion people may choose any religion they like. Palden Hlamo and Nechung is your choice and good for you. If you pray to Pelden Hlamo then you must be kind, compassionate, gentle and forgiving. Pelden Hlamo is kindness. So you must be like her. When you are not kind, then you are not a good follower of Pelden Hlamo. Mantra of Pelden Hlamo is for you: Jo Ramo Jo Ramo Jo Jo Ramo Tunju Kala Rachenmo, Ramo Aja Daja Tunjo Rulu Rulu Hung Jo Hung! Be kind to everyone. Be kind to all beings. Be kind to Shugden. Be kind to all races. Be kind to all gods, demons, spirits, animals, hungry ghosts and people. Be kind to all in six realms of samsara. Om Mani Peme Hung.
@tendesh6147
@tendesh6147 7 лет назад
U idiot i dont have to pray that demon in order to know how harmful he is. One wise can easily tell what wud happen if u jump from from high steep mountain u dont have to jump. Idiot
@adamdawson3274
@adamdawson3274 7 лет назад
I am not an idiot. You are not an idiot. The point is Shugden and nothing is harmful. Shugden does not call me an idiot. You call me an idiot and harm me. You harm me with your anger. You harm everyone around you with your anger. Your anger is worse than Shugden. You are worst than Shugden. Why? Shugden doesn't tell me dirty words, but you do. You are your own Shugden. Shugden never harm anyone. Man harm man. Human harm human. So stop your harming. You should stop harming others. Be kind. Be Chensresik. Om Mani Peme hung.
@tendesh6147
@tendesh6147 7 лет назад
Ha ha ha.... my poor fellow is hurt coz of my dirty words. What about ur dirty thoughts? Isnt killing ppl consider as hurmful from shugden party's point of view? If u r hurt thn it serves u right..... if u think u r not an idiot thn u r crazy. If u think u r not both of them thn u dont have a brain. U got me wrong buddy m not angry at u bt feel sorry for you coz ur place is booked at hell... get well soon.
@adamdawson3274
@adamdawson3274 7 лет назад
Tenpa Yarphel has discussed what he wants to say with many other Mps and normal persons. He would not speak without support. He has many persons in the government and laity who absolutely agrees with what he says and gives support. If this is not true, he would have been forced to resign by this 'democratic' Tibetan govt in exile. Many in the Tibetan communities are tired of being 'refugees' for 60 years and they are tired of Nechung's wrong prophecies. Tenpa Yarphel has spoken up for the good of the people. I have lived in Dharamsala for several years and raised hundreds of thousands for the Tibetan communities. Tenpa Yarphel is expressing the pure and genuine frustration of many Tibetans. That is why so many Tibetans are moving to countries outside of India. India is a democracy, so why do they have to move. They have priveleged refufee statues and great amount of aid from the West in the billions. Yet their leader achieve nothing. This is Nechung's prediction about Dalai Lama going to China and Tibet which proved wrong again. Tibetans are tired of this. You can hear for yourself: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HIDZLzXIgW8.html And Indian are protesting against the Tibetans after 60 years they don't pay taxes, get free govt land and do not join India as Indians: www.tibetsun.com/news/2017/10/05/tibetans-in-arunachal-pradesh-face-wrath-of-locals Tenpa Yarphel is the voice of change for many who are very desperate after 60 years of being a 'refugee.' Who stays a refugee for 60 years when India has given every opportunity to the Tibetans?
@gerardmichelet3036
@gerardmichelet3036 4 года назад
www.lamatruth.com/ying/?type=detail&id=30 In this article, a disciple of Kalu Rinpoche claims to have been coerced into sex with several monks and threatened with death by witchcraft if she spoke about it. Apparently in this Buddhist school, they consider it normal to kill an innocent by witchcraft. The person who burned down the Shangpa Karma Ling Buddhist center in France told investigators that he had been threatened with death and had been the victim of witchcraft by Denys Rinpoche, a strange coincidence. In 2016, I visited Shangpa Karma Ling, there was a doll with the limbs torn off in the temple, right next to the buddha statue.
@adamdawson3274
@adamdawson3274 7 лет назад
Thank you for the transcript of Tenpa Yarphel's speech in English in the description section. More can know what is happening now.
@azzamatic4190
@azzamatic4190 6 лет назад
Please give religious freedom and basic human rights Da Lie known as Llama
@karmatsering8733
@karmatsering8733 3 года назад
Thuui k ame roh.... You're against nejung and his holiness too
@tenzintseten
@tenzintseten 7 лет назад
You guys are so opportunists. But tempa yarphel here seems to be against the whole concept of spirit worshiping. So technically he is against you guys too.
@adamdawson3274
@adamdawson3274 7 лет назад
Tenpa Yarphel is brave, honest and loves his country. He loves the Dalai Lama and Tibetan people. He wants to fight for freedom of speech and a democratic government. He does not want Tibetan government to rely on oracles and gods and Nechung. No government in the world rely on gods/oracles to decide things. It has been 60 years and Tibet is not free because Tibetans are not doing anything to get freedom but rely on oracles. This must stop. Tenpa Yarphel is a hero.
@adamdawson3274
@adamdawson3274 7 лет назад
Dharamsala worships spirits for getting freedom of Tibet and it has not worked. 60 years of failures. But Dorje Shugden people worship Dorje Shugden for spiritual reasons. The reasons are different. Anyways, see here how Nechung is wrong. After five years of his prediction, Dalai Lama did not go China: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HIDZLzXIgW8.html
@tenzinthupten7082
@tenzinthupten7082 7 лет назад
Adam Dawson
@adamdawson3274
@adamdawson3274 7 лет назад
I am sharing this video with many other Tibet supporters and fundraisers for Tibetan causes. They are surprised all these things are happening and that CTA is falling apart. Tibetan govt in exile (CTA) is not doing well at all. I will keep sharing this video as we raised so much money and donated to CTA in the past. It's sad to know they are not using the money for good things.
@tendesh6147
@tendesh6147 7 лет назад
Get well soon
@norbudhandul3364
@norbudhandul3364 7 лет назад
Mi dhi ngoma drangpo redh dhuk hon kyang .... language tis nor yoe na matok...
@雪-p4n
@雪-p4n 7 лет назад
Long live Tempa yarphel la
@savitasabharwal4321
@savitasabharwal4321 7 лет назад
Twangchuk Tsering ff
@adamdawson3274
@adamdawson3274 7 лет назад
Tenpa Yarphel is a hero! Very good he speaks up
@tendesh6147
@tendesh6147 7 лет назад
Dogs can bark and parrots can speak some words too.
@adamdawson3274
@adamdawson3274 7 лет назад
So what are you? A dog or a parrot? LOL
@robertlee-nq6mg
@robertlee-nq6mg 7 лет назад
There is no place for spirit worship. Worshipping spirits like Nechung,Shugden and palden lhamo should be abolished. These are superstitions.
@tendesh6147
@tendesh6147 7 лет назад
First of all, nechung n palden lhamo are not spirit. Second there is no place for u. Third thing is fuck you
@adamdawson3274
@adamdawson3274 7 лет назад
Do you know any other words beside F*** you? You are the spirit. :)
@adamdawson3274
@adamdawson3274 7 лет назад
Gee, you are a good representative of your family and Dalai Lama. Om Mani Peme Hung to you.
@tendesh6147
@tendesh6147 7 лет назад
Jesus bless you, if u wanna support robert lee thn robert lee will pee on ur face one day. Ppl like u shud treat in ths way. God bless.
@adamdawson3274
@adamdawson3274 7 лет назад
Jesus bless you too ten desh. You need the blessings very badly as you have so much anger and hatred. You should practice compassion and love. Amen
@adamdawson3274
@adamdawson3274 7 лет назад
Tibetans like ten desh says Dalai Lama can make mistakes and he is ordinary person.
@tendesh6147
@tendesh6147 7 лет назад
Get well soon
@tendesh6147
@tendesh6147 7 лет назад
Get well soon
@tendesh6147
@tendesh6147 7 лет назад
Yarphel. Dogs bark and parrot can speak some words. Empty vessels make the most noise.
@adamdawson3274
@adamdawson3274 7 лет назад
Tenpa Yarphel is chosen to be a member of parliament representing the Kagyus. He is not an empty vessel. He is your parliament member.
@tendesh6147
@tendesh6147 7 лет назад
You are much alike ram rahim.
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