iirc, the only daytime quiz game from that era that was found rigged was Dotto, which was the first quiz show to be found rigged and started these investigations
@@witherblaze Dotto was the first one to be found rigged. Tic Tac Dough was a Barry and Enright production, and just like Twenty One, it was thoroughly rigged. It was done to be "more entertaining" and also to keep within the show's budget for prize money.
My maternal grandmother was on the show when Jack was the host. My mom said with her work week, she had Mondays and Tuesdays off. With the show being on live, she was on those two days and lost on purpose.
@@fromthesidelinesThe primetime version was rigged, not the daytime version Jack Berry hosted, hence why there's rarely ties and people usually only win 1 or 2 matches. They actually allowed the daytime version to continue for another year after the scandals as it was clearly above board, but obviously with the dark cloud over it from the scandals rating plummeted and they ultimately had to cancel it.
Barry continued the "can you come back tomorrow" routine in the early days of "The Joker's Wild," forgetting that the show taped five shows in one day, so a contestant would "come back" in about 10 minutes. I guess he finally woke up because he stopped doing that.
Despite what "Quiz Show" said, Stempel did not lose on the question about "Marty." He achieved a tie, and in the next game he was given a three-part question on a famous editorial. The newspaper was the Emporia Gazette, the editor was William Allen White, and the title of the editorial was "What's the Matter With Kansas?". Although this had come up in his American history class a few days earlier, Stempel deliberately drew a blank on the name of the editorial, allowing Van Doren to catch him down 18-10 at $2500 a point and his winnings reduced from $69,500 to $49,500.
I can remember WSM-TV NBC4(now WSMV)aired Tic Tac Dough with Wink Martindale weekday(Mon-Fri)afternoons just before the station’s 5:25 weather and Nightly News.
It was interesting they had the categories on rollers for them to "shuffle" them. When Wink Martindale did his run of Tic Tac Dough they could afford a computer to better randomize them. (Starting with Wink's run, the center box would be a two-part question with extra time for it; here the center question was just harder with optional time given if more was needed)
The ones on Wink's show weren't completely random. If you notice, it cycles through several nine-square setups. But it is a shuffle, so it still counts.
This is the daytime edition (airing live at 12 Noon, Eastern). 14:49-15:19 was a cutaway for a local station break, consisting of a spot announcement and station I.D. {"WRCA-TV, Channel 4, New York...."}.
WSB Atlanta had a local newscast at noon, then joined "Tic Tac Dough" at 12:15; I assume that was after the network station break. CBS used to give mid-point station breaks on its soaps when they were 30 minutes in length; I remember these on "As The World Turns" and "Secret Storm" in particular.
The reason for what happen in the 50's with Jack Berry was on the oringal 21 the contestents was missing questions left & right & Geritol was not happy & said they will yank their sponcership & they made the changes & that is why. So blame Geritol for what happend, also blame Dan Enright for what happen he was in charge & took Jack with him.
It wasn't just Geritol that was complaining. As you probably know, Revlon, the sponsor of The $64,000 Question, tried to get the producers to keep certain contestants, and get rid of others. The late Dr. Joyce Brothers is a fine example of this, and she managed to beat them at their own game (pun intended).
Let me get this straight, so Jack Barry Hosted both Tic Tac Dough and The Joker's Wild. Wink Martindale also hosted Tic Tac Dough, but hosted a video game adaptation of The Joker's Wild on CD-i. Is that about right?
If you listen to the music after Jack is introduced at the start, those notes sound similar to the 1990 version's theme. I wonder if Henry Mancini based that on this.
The questions seem to be more difficult than in Wink's version. And I always thought Jack Barry was a very wooden host. This video shows that implicitly.
Questions were easier when Barry & Enright came back in the 70's, since the whole rigging process started because a sponsor didn't want to pay for a show where the contestants couldn't answer the questions.
Robert Rubin worked on the show and went on to produce Fleming Jeopardy, and RObert Noah worked on this show and went on to produce Match Game in the 60s, Gambit in the 70s, and Scrabble in the 80s.
Felsher should never have been allowed back in television, along with Dan Enright. Both of them lied to the grand jury about fixing game shows, and they did it for personal gain. If the DA's office wanted to clean up television, putting both of them in jail for lying would have scared everyone else.
When this show aired, NBC got a fresh new station in Binghamton, WINR Ch. 40. That way viewers won't have to struggle with the signal to watch WBRE Ch. 28 Wilkes-Barre or WSYR Ch. 3 Syracuse.
@@Rlotpir1972 They didn't buy the rights to "Concentration," only leased them. The reruns of "Concentration" and "Classic Concentration" on the Fremantle-owned BUZZR network air only with the permission of NBC, which continues to receive a royalty from Mark Goodson Productions and Goodson-Todman Productions successor Fremantle.
"Concentration" was also a Barry & Enright creation. The theme music for both "Tic Tac Dough" and "Concentration" was composed and played on the organ by Paul Taubman. Like the primetime "Tic Tac Dough," the nighttime "Concentration" was broadcast in color and had the NBC Orchestra conducted by Milton Delugg playing a "jazzed up" version of Taubman's theme. Six months after this broadcast, amid the fallout from the "Twenty-One" and primetime "Tic Tac Dough" rigging scandals, Barry & Enright were out after they were forced to sell all of their NBC shows to the network. Although Jack Barry reigned as the host of "Tic Tac Dough," he did return as host of "Concentration" for its overall debut in primetime. By then, "Concentration" was already an NBC in-house property and the Barry & Enright name had been expunged from it, being replaced with "A Production of the NBC Television Network." The game was very well-received, which is why it debut in the daytime in April of 1959. Barry, though, was not; he was considered a pariah in New York City. A decade later he did come back to New York, this time to ABC, replacing Dennis Wholey as the host of Talent Associates and Chester Feldman's "The Generation Gap" to huge applause in the Elysée Theatre. Those four primetime shows were the springboard to his return to the national market. He later bought all of the old Barry & Enright NBC properties; the only one NBC wouldn't part with was "Concentration." Barry did contact NBC about a rights-leasing arrangement so he could produce "Concentration" for syndication when NBC announced its cancellation. However, fired Barry & Enright producer Howard Felsher was first on the doorstep to secure the arrangement for Goodson-Todman instead.
@@Noveltooner Your knowledge is incredible . Barry received huge applause on The Generation Gap show in 1969 partly because many of those young audience members remember him as the host of the Winky Dink children's program in early 1950s TV . Also Tom Snyder on the Tomorrow Show in the 1970s remembered Barry as a mentor when Snyder started out in local TV and Barry was banished to the hinterlands of local TV . Snyder could not remember Barry by name , Calling him out as the man with thick hair . Shame that despite coming back he died of a heart attack while running in NY Central Park at a relatively young age .
I know they were referring to the 1890s. I was just facetiously pointing out that the term "Gay 90s" has a whole different meaning today than it did back in the 1950s.
the Barry-Enright shows at the time had that odd "wagering your winnings" thing. This isn't rigged as far as we know, but otherwise, it's pretty much the primetime version
Instead of a "bonus" game, the champion would either leave undefeated, or risk losing at least some money if the opponent won the next game. Probably why this generation of Tic Tac Dough did not last long. It would be two decades for a major breakthrough would occur.
+Greg Palmer I never said they didn't exist at all before Password. I just said they didn't really exist. It was a very uncommon element of '50s game shows.
My father was a contestant on this show in the late 50s, probably 1959. Are there any shows from that period? We would love to see him again, as he would have been 100 on the a3th of this month... He died 16 years ago, and I remember the two questions that he missed. Are these programs available? I know that it was in this period because they never had a honeymoon, and January, 1959 was their 20th anniversary, and that was my gift to them, a trip to NYC.
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The daytime version of Tic-Tac-Dough was largely untouched in terms of rigging. It was, however, brought down with the rest of the quiz shows when the scandal broke out.
No what he is saying is the daytime quiz shows during this era were usually not rigged, because the ratings and the stakes were generally lower than their primetime counterparts.
It would be if you consider that Van Doren incorrectly named Leopold, instead of his successor, Baudouin, as the Belgian King, which ended his run on "Twenty-One", but led to other moments of fame before the fix came out.
@@jonathanashbeck3740 bonus round in game shows actually started occuring in 1961, when Password debuted on CBS and it's bonus round was the Lightning Round.