Tier Ranking the Avatars Worst to Best 

I rank them all F lol!

Kyoshi kinda sucks

Korra D tier cmonbruh

For the first :40 seconds of the video, I just repeated Yang Chen. Just saying

when revisit httyd

this should have way more likes! Yangchen seems a bit like Caesar in Fallout NV, where her society only functions well as long as she is around. This is a systemic failure that the next avatar was bound to be unable to contain.

I also take issue with the Kuruk slander in the video. He also knew that if his friends knew what he was doing, they would do the anime cast ensemble thing and refuse to let him fight alone, and they would be spiritually poisoned like he was, so he not only fought alone, but couldn't talk to anyone about it.

Still doesn’t make him a good avatar, being a good person isn’t the same as being a good avatar

@@Dell-ol6hbhe focused too much on the spirit world because yangchen neglected that in her time,he’s both..

@@Dell-ol6hb Yes, being a good person, aside from bending 4 elements, is a bare minimum requirement to be a good Avatar. How about saving the world from dark spirit incursions? Does that make one a good Avatar? And making advancements in bending despite having such a short life? If you replaced Kuruk with any of the "good" Avatars, have them be in the same time and situation, who would fare better? How would they fare better? By telling their companions and having them suffer the same affliction, instead of them somewhat covering for his other duties? Korra? Korra would not have had spirit bending at the time.

I wish I could be certain this is a “Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy” quote, but it’s been so long, I just can’t be certain. Either way, I love it

@@kylewood2715 It absolutely is. I can't guarantee the precise wording, but the general voice is pure DNA. It's the start of the speech that ends with the girl sitting in a small cafe in Rickmansworth who realised the answer, but before she could get to a phone to tell anyone about it the Earth was demolished.

Douglas Adams at his finest

@@rmsgrey if only she had her towel.

@@revan0890 At least she didn't think she was a hedgehog, even if there was something wrong with her feet...

ah, big stick diplomacy at its finest

The "Otherwise I'm gonna Law and Order you in the face" complete it so well too.

How did I know these are about Kyoshi without even getting to that part of the video yet haha

This is both Kyoshi and Toph as an officer in a nutshell. It’s why I always say if there was ever a time traveling spirit or something that somehow allowed past and present characters to meet that Toph and Kyoshi would be the WORST influences on each other but the BEST of friends 😭They’d literaly just traverse the entire world hyping each other up and beating the BRAKES off of everything they didn’t like or who was breaking the law 🤣they would probly even turn it into a competition to see who could arrest and beat up more bad guys Lmfao 😂

When i say my similar line, i say "I'll put my fist in your faste" cuz it sounds funny

That’s doing his sacrifice dirty though

Thats fro him stopping the dark spirits which did affect him that much.

Glad he is where he deserves. I don't buy that whole "He was actually kinda like batman having a secret live fighting dark spirits" retcon they gave him in the Kyoshi novels, especially because it came in the cost of Yangchen's former immaculate reputation as seen in TLA. Who asked for that? I much prefer when he was an example of how no one, not even the avatar, is beyond avoiding responsibility and being complacent with the way things are.

Kyoshi: So Kuruk sucked Yangchen: No, you should blame me. Me: Nah, I'm go with Kyoshi's assessment of him.

I actually liked the retcon. It showed that the "best" Avatar still screwed up and that the "worst" Avatar was just doing his best to clean up the mess left him. Idk, it made them a bit more human

They are making movies and TV shows on different avatars, so we will explore a lot of them over the years

@@wile123456 Ooh noice 👍

Each avatar fixing the mistakes or oversights of the previous avatar would be super cool

Took the words right out of my mouth. Maybe have Korra finding artifacts of past avatars and having her be the lens by which we explore past avatars.

@@orngcreator6115 Ooh that's a good framing device 👍

An ideal society built by Kyoshi btw!

@@JustRandomSymbols Exactly. Rokus world had very few problems because Kyoshi left it that way for him.

Totally agree!

Precisely! Kiyoshi is always judged harshly and critically while Roku gets a pass all the time! Sounds like the modern society where women are under the microscope all the time

I think Kyoshi fell into the heuristic problem. A hammer wasn't the only tool she had, but she had to deal with so many nails that she started instinctively reaching for the hammer even when the problem required a screwdriver.

Would being bros with best boy Zuko be an accomplishment for Aang, then?

I wouldn't say Zuko counts, but scoring Katara definitely does count.

i love how Asami is put at the same level as lasting world peace

​@@E-man.I hope that's sarcasm

@@DavidElendu - Sarcasm how? It's a funny observation based on a joke made by Tim. What would sarcasm have to do with it?

It's questionable whether that could be seen as an accomplishment that's only positive, as that move made him "inprison" the spirits into the spirit world and also probably was bad for the nature and ecosystems, which the humans expanded into.

"progress" lol

@@DetinuTrackmania Industrialization is also very bad for the environment one lives in, yet I'm very happy I live in a world where it has happened.

​@@BattleBrawlerHikaruYes, because you're selfishly focused on how it has helped humanity and not on how much life we destroyed to get here. Do you genuinely think that the improved living of humans justifies the incredible suffering it caused? Because the suffering of the rest of the earth, and especially the rest of humanity (because industrialisation existed and still exists on the backs of the suffering of more people than whom are being helped) means that it was ok? Morally good? Industrialisation happened as a direct result of the majority of human life becoming slaves or slave adjacent. Even in the scope of human suffering it doesn't justify itself.

@@BattleBrawlerHikaru I suppose you're also happy that colonization happened in that case.

Every avatar had to clean up after the previous one’s mess

@@donkeykong3628Yan Chen’s mess is one of the most vital and deadly one. Had Kuruk failed the world would have been in complete anarchy. Dark Spirits would make the 100 Year War look like a utopia.

Absolutely, she didnt deserve the S rank ad an avatar.

​@@nebelnoob5086Maybe she does. She did a pretty good job handling the human side of things, but if she gets S rank, Kuruk deserves it too, man literally fixed the Spirits plotline of Korra (except worse because it was a global occurence) on his own with nothing but determination and far too many hallucinogenic drugs. This Kuruk slander needs to end!

​@@tylerbranson2099exactly. Man was 100x the Avatar Korra ever was but still gets shitted on

Yeah, Aang's ability to work with both humans and spirits is definitely to his credit

He seems to be the first avatar to have true team avatar and the precedent probably will help lots of future avatars mitigate their faults (with korra era basically often forgotten something she does is basically putting team avatar members has world leaders even to the point that only fire nation by end of the story isn’t ruled by member of team avatar)

Idk...we haven't seen adult Aang though...The equalists came to power for a reason, I wonder if it was due to his time as an adult avatar?

@@kdlove8629it seems like a problem that should’ve been around for a very long time it just hasn’t been able to express itself until technology had reached a sufficient enough level where non benders could feasibly fight and beat benders. I don’t know if I could really blame Aang for that conflict, it would’ve happened no matter what in the conditions of the world they live in, like obviously being a non bender in this world means you’re automatically at the mercy of those who can bend

Aang also has the least amount of hindsight bias. Every past Avatar's perception will be weathered until only their extremes are remembered. They essentially become caricatures. Aang is the most-recorded Avatar, all his highs, lows, mediocres, and cabbage destruction is front-row-center. And he brought the world back from a very bad place. Definitely deserving of S tier.

I don’t. How are you gonna rank him S when we don’t know him.

How would you rank an avatar based on how well they did when you don’t know much of what they did, you don’t rank them, should’ve been left off the ranking imo, still funny though

@@froggy8714 D tier. He had no known accomplishments or mistakes, and his legacy was "Good at being Avatar."

@@masondenuccio1886I think it’s more of a joke than anything

​@masondenuccio1886 I agree we technically can't rank him and he did make mistakes, atheists one because, that seems to be the premise of the cycle itself avatars fixing the mistakes of their predecessors szeto is no different his mistakes are a result of salai,s

Yeah in the show she's basically the "do whatever it takes yes kill them if you must" advice person who popped in a few times and not a ton more than that and the books really just expanded on that so much

I’m re reading the Kyoshi novels for a third time and her story is so interesting and inspiring Kyoshi is still the GOAT and nothing can change that.

Her being flawed and not this stereotypical “I’m strong and kill everything” is so much more better Books Kyoshi > Show Kyoshi (Same character really 😂) More like Book Kyoshi > Fanon Meme Kyoshi that most of the fanbase think how she really is which is sad.

Yeah fr

I am so curious if they'll do a Roku book eventually and flesh him out the way they have the others, maybe about him and Gyatso or something

@@Doomsword0 I get the feeling that after Legacy of Yangchen, Roku has to be the next avatar to be covered in the novels. So far out of the established line of avatars we were first introduced in ATLA, Roku will now be the one who we know/spent the least amount of time with and I definitely think he should be fleshed out more in a duology of novels like we got for Kyoshi and Yangchen have so far. We got a bit of Roku's era slightly fleshed out in the Avatar Legends RPG, but it was more of information about what the world was like during his era and not really about him specifically. F.C. Yee mentioned in an interview that he only feels comfortable writing about the avatars that Aang and Korra talk to, so Roku is one of the ones left remaining for him to tackle and write about.

Gyatso and the air nomads knew, but they didn't know about the comet but ngl nobody knew

@humanoidfrog4645 they said they knew "dark clouds are gathering". There is no evidence that they had any greater knowledge. In fact of all the monks, gyatso was in fact the least worried of all of them. He believed the monks were being overly cautious and shouldn't have told Aang who he is and that they were too worried. If he was warned by his good friend that Sozin was planning something and to take care of the next avatar then he would not be so relaxed about it.

He also gave Korra a bit of a pass when she was dealing with mental and physical issues after Zahr.

I think the argument is yes he fought the dark spirits but he wasn't present for the rest of the world and more actively helping them

I mean he wasnt F tier or anything I think D is fair. Sure, his life was hard, but he doesn’t really have mant accomplishments and wasn’t great at handling his problems. Yangchen however, was the one to leave those dark spirits behind and focused much more on human problems than spirit ones, so I don’t think she deserves S tier.

​@@Doomsword0yes and he couldn't have been because of mistakes that Yang chen made. I dont think you can put her that high and then tell Kuruk that well... you didnt hold up your responsibilities. Apparently neither did yang chen

No I think the score is perfectly fair sure he had it bad but so did many other avatars he’s not special or anything, he’s just not as good of an avatar as many others. Also Yangchen caused some problems for him but she has way more achievements and did way more good for the world, plus all the avatars deal with the mistakes of their predecessors, Kyoshi had to fill in for Kuruk’s early death leaving the world without an avatar for decades, and Aang had to deal with the mess left by Roku

maybe communicating with them its more difficult than we are led to believe, Aang as an air nomad is an spiritual powehouse and that helps when contacting the spirits and past lives, other avatars might be more challenged but I agree that they should use it more often.

It would be great if the current Avatar could create a meeting of SEVERAL past Avatars. They could discuss how the times have changed, how they had to fix the previous one's mistakes while the current Avatar would attempt to mediate between their differing ideologies.

@@RabbitShirak The council of Avatars

Yangchen was supposed to be so spiritually in tune with her past lives that she had difficulty early on just being herself and having a grounded grasp on reality. Outside of our limited view of one of her stories I imagine she used her inherited knowledge as you'd expect an avatar to do.

I agree they dont do it 'enough' but i also thing about aang talking to like 4 past avatars and expressing his discontent with killing Ozai and all for of them are just like 'it sucks but you gotta do it.' And at the end of the day aang didnt and still got the job done. Could reaching back to Wan made learning energy bending easier? Maybe. But the idea of talking to lets just say at bare minimum 50 avatars to over a 100 sounds exhausting lol.

Yea I guess not everyone is like Jaden Smith.

Well Aang did help Korra out, helped see the past

Did you just say anime?

It’s not an anime.

@@shawnboahene5231yes it is. Don’t be pedantic.

And the reason why Kuruk didn’t focus on worldly problems as much is because creates a time of peace for long after she died… which probably means all of Kuruk’s life and the beginning of Kiyoshi’s.

Agreed, it may also be a bit of a Treaty of Versailles problem, sure we have peace now, but we really haven't thought how to maintain that, so the next lot of people have to fix the issue. Yangchen may have "agreements" with the spirits, but with no method for them to be mediated when she moves on and that generation of humans dies, how do you mediate with the next lot in terms of the agreement, so kinda kicked the can down the road to the next Avatar? And because of this, we have dark spirits to deal with. Also, we may have a bit of a "Justice League doesn't help with small crime" thing that comes up in super hero stuff from time to time. For example, in the Last (terrible) season of Supergirl, one of the episodes has a character throw a wobbly over the heroes not helping the people of colour affected by some tragedy. The issue is, there all dealing with the big focus things like stopping buildings falling down, dealing with Super villains, things that are large and over arching and help everyone. Sure, Kuruk may not have helped in bridging between between nations, because he was dealing with Dark spirits from killing people. So we may have enough information to judge him, but not enough information to put that in context.

Unlike aang he chose not to surround himself with friends and people who had his best interests. So it's kinda on him

Well that's basically the whole idea of the Avatar. Each new avatar has to deal with the short comings of the previous avatar. Seto Fira nation focused - Yangchen has to focus more on all nations. Yangchen focuses a lot on the four nations but less efficient on the spirits Kuruk had to deal with dark spirits. Etc. Etc.

@@DigiBrad You're right to a degree, all Avatars tend to focus on the regrets and shortcomings of their predecessor, which in turn leads to their own shortcomings and regrets. That is very much part of the cycle. But in this situation I feel it is more than that. In most cases the problems they face are indirect and only related to the previous Avatar through vague connections. Szeto didn't directly cause widespread political issues that Yangchen had to fix, it was his inaction that allowed such problems to fester, but those are things that would happen even if the Avatar didn't exist. Many of the Avatar's regrets are tied to similar situations where what they let happen would have happened even if the Avatar wasn't around at all. And possibly more importantly, those issues don't become so bad that the next Avatar _has_ to dedicate their entire life to make things right again. In Kuruk's case, the issues he faces are the direct result of Yangchen's actions. She made deals with the spirits that the humans had no realistic hope of maintaining, and while those deals made things better in the short term they also made things far worse in the long term. That isn't her ignoring a problem and letting it get worse, that is her actively fucking things up in the long run because she had too much faith in humanity. Kuruk had no real choice but to spend his life dealing with those spirits or the results would have been catastrophic. And unlike the other Avatar's shortcomings, these spirits would not have been nearly as much of a problem if Yangchen hadn't made those deals. If the Avatar as a concept simply didn't exist in the world that problem would not be as bad as it was. It would have been bad, don't get me wrong, but just not nearly as bad as it was for Kuruk.

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Honestly is it even worth saving a kingdom that has been corrupt for centuries, sometimes like they say it's better to do nothing than to do the wrong thing.

@@Prankester6856 when the most corrupt part is the one taking over, yes, obviously...

@@mathies3598 both kinda sucks one was a tyrant while the other a classic Chinese corrupt burocracy

Nah man she deserves an A tier

but that is dumb. The spirits are always trouble.

F'k yeah! She's mildly a bit of a Tyrant, but when the Tyrant CARES about the people it's essentially the best form of government you can get... her only FAILING as a benevolent tyrant is not living forever... which is generally where beloved emperors fail as well and why we mortals don't consider it a viable strategy most of the time... that opinion can be flexible when you've got essentially, a deific warrior for peace patrolling your world, which the Avatar world has. A Tyrant that has everyone's well being in mind telling the bureaucrats off ISN'T inherently a bad thing unless you're overvaluing communal governance and consider it beyond reproach. Kyoshi COULD have been a diplomat... if the diplomacy of her era wasn't rotten to the core. She was the sledgehammer the world needed at the time to remind them that sneaky politics be damned, the Avatar addresses the problems of the era.

Soooo.... not wanting to drag your friends into cleaning up a mess because you want to protect them and NOT have them tortured and corrupted is "toxic masculinity" now? Weird flex.

​@IceQueen975 he may have lived longer if he got help

@@IceQueen975 yes, that's a valid use of the concept. Kuruk's refusal to enlist the help of his friends in battling the dark spirits, even at the risk of his own life, can be analysed with toxic masculinity. It's not some inherent negative trait of Kuruk as an individual, but rather as a larger trend in society. He felt he couldn't ask anyone for help, despite having more than capable friends who could have prolonged his life. His insistence on doing things alone literally broke him bit by bit before the guy died at 33. 'Doing things yourself, don't ask for help because that's feminine and makes you look weak' is definitely a patriarchal norm; so is the 'emotional stoicism' he practiced by not letting others know what he'd been doing and pretending it was ok. He had to resort to severe alcoholism and promiscuity to cope with the toll it was taking, instead of... getting help. It's a pretty good example of toxic masculinity I'd say.

This post is purely based on this video. I might change my mind upon reading the books about her. The Avatar is defined as someone who helps bring balance between humans and between the humans and spirit worlds. They are the Bridge. Bending the four elements is a tool to get the job done. Kyoshi is probably the best Warrior of the Avatars. However, whenever there is a problem that can't be solved without violence, she has no solution. She is a case of "Did not understand the assignment." At least that is how this video portrays her.

@@The482075I think violence isn't her only tool available, since she created Kyoshi island specifically to avoid a battle. I think her problem is, like earth, she's a bit rigid and uncompromising.

@@RabbitShirak I see. Got to check out these books.

@@The482075 then why is Yangchen S tier? Lol She should be F tier then...

@@sawsy3863 I'll be honest. I don't know much about the Avatars besides Aang and Korra. Anyway, feel free to share your perspective. What makes Yanchen F tier?

Not to mention she did her job longer than possibly any other Avatar in history, over 200 years.

She is Def A tier if not an S tier No avatar Lived upto 230 years of age and accomplished so many things except for her. Kyoshi is truly the GOAT no doubt.

@@enderflame_303look, while I agree she belongs at least in the A tier, lets not pretend that with more than 200 years most avatars in the list could have created a similar age of peace

Zseto*

thanks for the timestamp

Sato?

@@Nevershushu00 7:17

its szeto btw (not trynna be an a hole 🫶🏿)

@@jupeplayz7 gotcha

I don't think it's fair to pin the war on Roku as a mistake. He was a nuke with personal feelings in a high-tension geopolitical period. Him nuking Sozin or not, the war would have still happened. At least he delayed it with his presence until Sozin realized the nuke was a dud.

Killing Sozin was never the answer. His death would have only created even more xenophobic Firelords, even more extreme and despotic rulers. If you teach everyone to hate, it becomes harder to learn to love. The spin of having killed his best friend over a policy discussion would have destroyed Roku's reputation and maybe his mind. Sozin's heirs would have hated and feared the Avatar, and made things that much harder for others and other viewpoints. As it was, Ruku's power stopped Sozin from implementing his ideas more quickly. And his descendants (some of them) were more ruthless than he - Ruku was damned lucky that his lingering love for his bestie stopped him from forgetting Gandalf's wisdom: not to swiftly deal out death in judgment, for even the Wise cannot see all ends. The death would have started a war, then and there between Fire Nation and Avatar, and while Kyoshi was able to prevail against an army of nonbenders, it would have been too close between Ruku and an army of fire benders. My humble opinion.

@ziggystardust1973 The more that I think about it, Sozin getting killed probably would delay it more than anything. He already described the Fire Nation as being at it's most prosperous it had ever been, so I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't just Sozin alone who had similar ideas of "sharing" it's prosperity with the other Nations at that time. So even if he died there probably would have been another firelord who would start it sooner or later.

Azulon:"Hello,you killed my father,prepare to die!" Cycle of revenge..

That's the issue with ATLA though, they deal with those complex problems in simplistic ways. LOK, the comics and the novels are more nuanced, but in ATLA killing Sozin would most likely be enough to prevent the war, just like locking up Ozai ended it.

i mean that makes sense. being the bridge between the mortal and spirit world and being a mediator and being the most powerful bender isnt always the best if you are also a person

To be fair while Roku didn't _kill_ Sozin, he certainly did use force and make it clear what would happen if Sozin continued. And Sozin, for his part, listened -until the perfect opportunity presented itself. He halted his conquest, likely shut down the war preparations, and stopped. And even then, Sozin had at first come to that island to _help_ Roku. It's only at the end that he made his final decision, and by that point it was too late for Roku to do anything about it. Unless the Roku book adds to it, Roku was only ever in one major conflict where force was necessary, and he used force there, just not lethally.

the main problem with each seems to be that they died and things went to shit while the next avatar was still an infant/child. If we're blaming the individual policies of each nation on the avatar at the time... then by our standards we'd say they were all bad for letting the world be ruled using a feudal system/monarchy. Saying that an avatar not predicting socioeconomic issues is only valid with our 21st century knowledge and hindsight.

Stable for who, though? You think the fire nation was happy to wait their turn for 2 and a half centuries to make their mark on the world under the threat of extreme violence, sorry, law and order, for doing anything the God on earth disapproved of? If mastery is just practice .... Kyoshi has more practice than anyone. And coming off a corrupted world mainly lead by the earth kingdom and its last great Avatar being into socio-economic solutions... it's no wonder Sozen pushed for taking the fire nation in the direction they did. And Roku had to deal with all of this. With a nation's expectations on him to do as much as Kyoshi in a shorter lifetime, forward their agenda which has been stymied for so long by the previous avatar. With a world interested in seeing how this guy will order the world: word or stick? With a world already discounting him because he's not Kyoshi. Roku did fairly well, considering. There was no stopping the fire nation war, it was inevitable.

Let's be honest, his failure was, what? Not wanting to kill his best friend? I can't blame him for that, and he _still_ took action and had Sozin !@#$ing his pants so bad that he put his plans on hold until Roku died. And back to that best friends thing, even after that, Sozin did _not_ come to that island with the _intention_ of letting Roku die. Quite the opposite. He only made that choice when he saw Roku on the ground and realized his opportunity. But more than that, the only one to blame for Sozin's actions is Sozin. One can argue that even if Roku hadn't spared Sozin, that Roku still might have only lived a few years longer than he did, and it might have only postponed things and we'd be calling it Azulon's Comet instead.

With that logic put Yan Chen in D tier as well. Hell maybe even E cause the problem she left is arguably worse.

@@AstroSully She took care of one side over the other but she did a hell of a job taking care of the mortal world. There was incredible peace in the mortal world

So did Roku, it was 80 years of peace with him as the Avatar. His issue was sparing Sozin which didn't kill the movement of imperialism within the Fire Nation. No Avatar is perfect. Yang Chen's legacy would have been ruined if not for Kuruk defending the physical world from Dark Spirits. Roku's impact is downplayed because there was no Avatar around for a century. No Avatar would be guiltless if their successor was gone 100 years. People often overlook this when talking about Roku. What Yang Chen left for her successor is just as bad if not worse. All of them have their faults. @@jessedaniels4494

​@@jessedaniels4494and made kuruks life a living nightmare

Yeah that is a cool and tragic part of her character...She isn't at all a bad Avatar she's quite good and on par if not better than many that came before but they can easily condemn her mistakes and flaws because they can directly see them. She can't hide or pretend or be ignored like the previous Avatars. Can't wait to see the next Earth Avatar and how the world will treat them...I suspect that they'll hate them and/or believe they're an unneeded relic of an era long gone.

​​@@flamesofchaos13Korra is not a good Avatar. For example, Korra throughout the entirety of Book 1's conflict isn't invested in dealing with the societal issues that led to the formation of the Equalists but are instead focused on destroying their movement. Korra herself during the entirety of Book 1 did nothing but probending, airbending training, love triangle nonsense, and beat up the revolutionaries who are trying to deal with the core issues the best way they can. Never do we see Korra actually educate herself on a societal issue and implement her own effective solutions. She just beats up someone who is invested in fixing an issue and viewed as a savior for it. Korra's greatest accomplishment which was repopulating the world with airbenders happened on sheer accident. Korra foe the most part runs into the similar issue as the MCU heroes whenever they deal with a villain that is trying to deal with a societal issue.

@@GreatUniter Wow it's like a person is a person and has flaws. 1. Airbending training is a requirement for an Avatar that is her fulfilling her duties. Then Pro-Bending literally helped her click with the techniques of Airbending as Tenzin literally points out. 2. The Equalists no matter what are at the end of the day Terrorists that do need to be stopped for the safety of all...Because if they win the entire world will crumble into an eternal civil war between generations of Benders and Non-Benders. Their cause doesn't help Non-Benders and in fact demeans and distorts the idea of equality into a different form of supremacy and abuse. 3. Aang nor any Avatar before him ever gave equal rights to Non-Benders or Spirits...They always placed Benders above the others. That isn't a Korra only problem but a problem every single last Avatar to ever exist had. Some like Kyoshi even directly abused Non-Benders in favor of Benders...With the creation of the Dai Li. 4. You're solely condemning her for her season 1 portrayal. Completely avoiding her character growth and development in Seasons 2 to 4. Where she brought actual balance to the world by unlike previous Avatars respecting both the rights of Spirits and Humans, Ended the Tyranny of an Oppressive Empire, Realized that Civil Wars can actually be justified and supported one, Ensured that the world didn't crumble to Darkness for ten thousand years, Restored the Air Nation and allowed them to become Peacekeepers of the world so the Avatar is not the sole one responsible for world peace. 5. If we treated Aang the same way only judging him as a person and Avatar only during his season 1 portrayal...He couldn't control the Avatar State, He failed to learn how to control Firebending and let fear dictate his actions refusing to ever learn it, He ran away from his responsibility to bring balance so ensured that the Fire Nation reigned supreme for a hundred years bringing endless misery to all. Didn't compromise with Rebel Fighters condemning them as Terrorists. What a shitty fucking Avatar he must be right? Even when we look at Adult Aang...He didn't give Non-Benders equal rights, He didn't destroy the Dai Li, He didn't ensure the corruption of the Earth Kingdom was ended, He didn't kill or imprison Yakone so the knowledge of psychic Bloodbending was passed on. Then as a person he was a negligent father to two of his three children. When you actually realize the fact is that NONE of the Avatars are perfect that each and every single one of them made terrible mistakes as both an individual and icon...You most learn to accept the good with the bad. Aang and Korra are flawed but compared to what came before them...They're Legendary Avatars that had to learn harsh truths about the role of the Avatar the hard way and overcame nearly impossible challenges that would've easily destroyed previous Avatars before them then at the end of it all did in fact save the world and restored the connection to what never should've been severed in the first place.

@@flamesofchaos13 1. Korra doesn't need airbending to solve this conflict. Pro-bending, a sport that glorifies benders, in no way helps her tackle symptoms that led to the Equalist rebellion. 2. The Equalist provided the nonbending commonfolk with free self defense courses, developed weapons that will allow nonbenders to defend themselves, and dealt with the bending triads. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Heck the Equalists didn't even become violent until after the government got violent with them. 3. Korra did not give spirits nor non-benders equal rights. Spirits did not lack rights as they resided in their own realm and are not subject to law in the spirit world. 4. She doesn't get any better in Seasons 2-4. For example it is comically that the show tries to champion the ideals of democratic governance while allowing Korra to unilaterally make a decision like leaving the spirit portals open without consulting either party on what they wanted. Korra for some reason thinks she knows better than Wan when it comes to spirits even though he spent over a year living amongst them while Korra at the time had only gotten over her spiritual block and has less than a month's worth of experience in spiritual matters. In Book 4, her solution to Kuvira was to simply reinstall the monarchy. She never sits down a tries to formulate a solution that can give the EK stability and progress without resorting to Kuvira's brand of authoritarianism. In Book 3, she doesn't even bother to entertain Zaheer's ideology or acknowledge he something needs to be down about the oppressive nature of hierarchical societies. 5. No one said anything about Aang. Heck I never even compared her to any other Avatar. I have issues with Aang largely due to how he dealt with decolonization and how he neglected the EK after the war but that's an argument for another day. Kuvira's oppressive empire did more the Earth Kingdom than the Avatar did in centuries. Korra did not fight for the rights of spirits. They were not an oppressed group. They have never been oppressed. She left the portals open and let the world deal with the aftermath themselves. Korra is part of the reason the world was almost plunged into 10,000 years of darkness lol. She did not develop as a character despite what most say.

I like how Korra opening a portal to the spirit world is considered an achievement even though the spirits make it clear that they didn't want to interact with humans and it ultimately led to Republic city being destroyed. Then when she gets called out for it she basically tells everyone who has been uprooted from their homes that they just have to deal with it. Korra is the worst avatar in the series bar none.

We're never given any context as to why they originally seemed so hostile. Spirits hate and distrust humans... why? Truth is, there's a lot more history we aren't seeing. Humans didn't evolve on the backs of the Lion turtles, they moved there. I'm suspecting humanity pissed off the spirits. You know, who are the literal bedrock of nature. If say, the Ocean spirit was killed by a human, life on Earth would pretty much end.

The humans do behave somewhat recklessly at points, and part of the reason the spirits go back is atonement for destruction. Moreover, humans are stronger come Korra, while ultimately humans and spirits are able to live together in Season 4.

It can be said that Avatar Seto's political reforms directly led to the cultural shift, and smooth political machinery, that allowed the Hundred Years War to happen at all. Seto unified the Fire Nation, made it prosperous. And from there not only grew the material and logistical capability to make global war, but also the hierarchical, supremacist worldview to make war easy.

What's the book about? What genre is it? How do you effectively write a novel? Trying to write my own novel as well but I'm just writing scenes that I want to happen but can't figure out how to connect them all together

It does prove that she's hella impulsive, and willing to do a LOT without properly vetting the cause.

I'd also say a lot of her problems come from the writers nerfing the avatar state so hard now any skilled bender can stomp an avatar. It used to be a force of nature back in atla, something not even power upped Ozai can hold a candle against, now its a small power boost and that's it...

@@Soundwave1900 I think it's to give some credibility to the idea that she lost all her past lives. A lot of the avatar state was "the force and knowledge of all past avatars"... which she doesn't have anymore. So in that sense, it's good that she doesn't have plot armour just because she's the avatar and has to deal with the consequences of her mistakes.

@@Soundwave1900Expand on this, wdym by it was nerfed and any skilled bender can stomp the avatar?

@@samyloaiza98 well, perhaps, but the part where she've lost to every villain in the show in a fair fight, including when she had the connection with previous lives, doesn't put her in a good light. That's one of my personal beefs with the show, that she kinda sucks as a great equalizer if anyone can just come and beat her ass whenever. At this point Tenzing would've made a better equalizer. It does give weight to her decisions and roles but Aang had all that without being a complete pushover.

It’s Semantics really

I wouldn't.

This.....this Needs to be addressed 👈👆

What about the opposite? He may be able to give bending to non-benders.

Ok I think that everyone judges Kyoshi too much in that topic because we don't really know much about what happened ,we do 't know why Kyoshi let that happen and how it happen and I think we also forget about one important thing here ,this thing was created before Kyoshi got an actual character traits this was way before her books were even planed

She leaves at the end of the show. There is no "older" or "middle age". Stfu

Yea but she broke the cycle. The cycle that was held for over 100 avatars. She was the first to mess that up. I don't care what accomplishments she had after. That one act alone constitutes a much lower score in my opinion

​@@BraydonAttoe-xs4ygShe's the only Avatar since the first one who has dealt with harmonic convergence. And Aang did die in the Avatar State ending the cycle forever, but Katara was there and saved the day.

​@@jihoszcrazy how people call out Aang unlocking Korra's bending after Amon as plot convenience, but completely ignore the fact that he'd be dead if Katara didn't literally revived him.

​@LuisGustavo-wd6pi The setup was better with Kataras resuscitation of Aang, which makes it less as contrived. Her healing abilities were mentioned since the first season, the single use healing water mcguffin had been floating around in the story for a whole season. They even reintroduced how special it was again in the previous episode as a way to heal Zukos burns. Setup and build up are important when you want to solve a problem in a story.

That’s also not to say the spirits were oppressors either, given the very valid points made about humanity’s relationship with nature But it again gets into dangerous territory when you start telling groups that they’re not managing their own resources “right” and taking control to manage it your own way - in universe see the North & South comics, irl see colonialism

I given how toed spirits are to nature in our world even while they’re in the spirit world I don’t think it’s that clear cut. These worlds are deeply connected. But it’s a fair point about human being unable to survive among the spirits. These things are rarely clear cut

While I think this is a good argument, I also think it's a little flawed. The natural state of the world is unsegregated. The Spirit and Physical planes are intertwined; one cannot exist without the other, and they were linked so that physical travel was possible. To say that the physical world is solely the domain of humanity and mortal life is not exactly true? It's our home dimension, yes, but every human eventually makes their way to the Spirit world (upon death). So it's not exactly fair to say that humanity and mortal life should get to claim an entire world for their sole use when that's not true for the spirits. The spirits are also not aliens. The most primordial of them embody fundamental concepts of nature, from the tangible (tides, ocean), to the ephemeral (individuality itself). They have as much right to the Physical world as the humans, and vice versa. I do believe that by sealing away the spirits and the spirit world, Avatar Wan created a fundamental imbalance in the natural world. Much as he did when he separated Vaatu and Raava.

Yea it feels like she had probably the most issues to deal with of any avatar, besides Kyoshi but Kyoshi did live for 230 years so that’s to be expected.

@@Dell-ol6hb The most we have seen on-screen for sure. But if the comics (ATLA) and books (Kyoshi) have proven anything, it's that there are myriads of other problems that the Avatar faces that we just don't get to see on screen. Like Tenzin's narration said in the very beginning of The Legend of Korra that Avatar Aang achieved many other remarkable things. I'm sure this applies to Yangchen, Roku, and more than likely Kyoshi; Korra isn't the exception.

That would mean an average of one avatar every 10 years. The number of past avatars is probably closer to ~300.

@@G-Forces My rough estimate would be 100 avatars - rather than one per generation (~30 years) and multiple Avatars running around at once, it's one per lifetime, and with two Avatars known to have lived for well over a century out of the half dozen or so we know the lifespans of (~230 for Kiyoshi; ~170 for Aang), an average lifespan of 100 years seems plausible (it's known that Avatars who die of old age live significantly longer than most because of their powers)

@@rmsgrey Yeah, exactly. I should have specified I was making an upper estimate.

Him being a kid does explain things, and he also shows respect for Katara at other points. It's like Han Solo. Some scenes are cringey, but there's enough good scenes that it mitigates it.

Well Katara DID show reciprocation multiple times, so Aang wasn't just assuming that because he liked her she liked him.