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Go to www.brilliant.... to sign up for free. The first 200 people will get 20% off their annual premium membership.... Tiger LCD games; we're all familiar with those. Handheld games which offer brief moments of distraction, but did you know that Tiger actually made deluxe versions of these games in tabletop format. The outcome is, as you'd expect, ridiculous and absurd, so I felt like it was time to look a the 3 main culprits. Afterburner, Outrun and Batman.
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@MikeStavola 4 года назад

When I was a kid, I got an After Burner 'table top' game from somewhere, and I liked it more without the batteries, as an imaginary fighter jet cockpit. The game was horrible.

@mattinwinkymg 3 года назад

Then you had no imagination because I was Maveric all day and night bro

@mdood9299 3 года назад

I feel that, I spent many hours with that thing unpowered, generally accompanied with other toys to complete the cockpit.

@chouseification 3 года назад

There were a lot of toys like that in the 70s and 80s... and since you only got a couple of presents each year, you made do with what you had. Which means when some aunt blew a bunch of money on a really shitty present, you pretended they did good... even if they got you something they had seen you playing with in previous years and you had outgrown already, yet they got you another one. :P Or when your parents got you that "programmable" robot dump truck that would have been awesome to have in 2nd grade... as a gift when you were in 5th grade and had been coding for years already, so the "computer" in the dump truck was pathetic and nearly unusable. Therefore you pretended it wasn't a toy you had asked for years earlier... ignoring the requests you had made _this_ calendar year, or even the previous one. Sometimes you just had to pretend you liked what you got, or you were in deep shit. A big imagination goes well with such an unfun scenario to be in.

@Vesper8088 4 года назад

"medieval sounds fade away, just as the monarchy" the subtitles are genius.

@Elenrai 4 года назад

*The Kingdom of Denmark would like to know your location*

@adriantjuuh 4 года назад

I wanna know the song title of the curch organ

@ralang999 4 года назад

Brilliant. Even funnier if read in a BBC presenter voice!

@kingbiscuit393 4 года назад

Why dont you mod them with a colour LCD and a rasberry PI running mame and then run real afterburner and outrun. That would be kickass

@ВалерияРоманова-ю1м 4 года назад

Some people actually did this and it's amazing

@ВалерияРоманова-ю1м 4 года назад

@The Lavian are people too lazy to use the search feature on their own? it's actually the tomy driving thing they usually mod, not the one shown ehre so yeah sorry for misinformation... here's one of the trillion videos about this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_qNDbQitKBk.html

@coyoteartist 4 года назад

I just checked Octavius video because that sounded familiar. it was what Guru Larry said he'd love to do.

@zero123alpha6 4 года назад

@matt You realize that they want the exact video. Sometimes it might not be the thing they're talking about. It's not being lazy, it's being specific.

@cipherthedemonlord8057 4 года назад

Definitely should

@billdagrasshawking 4 года назад

I wanted one so bad and my parents said no...... I remember thanking them when I finally got to try one at my friends place.

@Formerpresidentbarackobama696 3 года назад

which one?

@billdagrasshawking 3 года назад

it was the red one, the front of it was shaped like a car..... it was one of the first toys I remember being "too old" for, it was obviously a kids toy, and I was 8 or 9 years old, pretty much a teenager in my mind at the time

@tgreaux5027 3 года назад

@@billdagrasshawking Yes, at 8 years old the human brain is far too sophisticated for such a pedestrian toy. lol

@colinmcdonald2499 3 года назад

6:42 That song is horrific. I am pretty sure it was one of Zamfir's B-sides.

@paulwilson9281 3 года назад

Ha ! The ads and pics in box were always much better than game

@SimonJ57 4 года назад

I owned the Afterburner one, and I loved the shit out of it as a kid.

@unnamedchannel1237 4 года назад

Happy memory :)

@tgreaux5027 3 года назад

I owned it too, and I remember having way more fun not playing the horrible game and just pretending I was driving a sports car with the controls.

@Relugus 3 года назад

Afterburner is IMHO actually pretty good. The game is fast and smooth and the joystick and throttle work well. Sn interesting curio. The tiny screen is weird and sucky, though.

@SimonJ57 3 года назад

@@Relugus it would be interesting if someone got a Small computer, like a raspberry pi and replaced the screen. Then, have it emulate one of the console versions. If it wasn't for controlling the pitch. Then you might be looking at replacing the joystick altogether. Unless you wanted to roll your own version using what controls are available?

@Tenkai917 4 года назад

My grandma got me one of those Afterburner units for Christmas when I was a kid. Man, I haven't thought about that in a LONG time.

@matthewrease2376 4 года назад

64 bits, 32 bits 16 bits. 8 bits! 4 BITS, 2 BITS 1 BIT. HALF BIT! QUARTER BIT!!! THEEEE WRIIIIIIST GAAAAAAME

@gayusschwulius8490 4 года назад

... He's gonna take you back to the past

@gracjanszmyt1442 4 года назад

@@gayusschwulius8490 To play the shitty games that suck ass

@xwithoutxanyxwarningx5191 4 года назад

@@gracjanszmyt1442 he'd rather have a buffalo take a diarrhea dump in his ear

@leap123_ 4 года назад

@@xwithoutxanyxwarningx5191 he angriest gamer you ever heard

@gracjanszmyt1442 4 года назад

@@leap123_ you skipped a line

@dpw81 4 года назад

I got the Outrun tabletop for my 10th birthday in August 1991. I can still taste the disappointment now. I remember waking up at around 4 am and sneaking downstairs with my brother to open it up and play it, then trying hard over the next week or so to convince myself it was good. My other present that year was Making Michael Jackson's Thriller on VHS, this is all seared onto my memory.

@benjamintan2733 4 года назад

Oh my goodness. Well, having this sitting on a shelf will still makes the shelf looks cool.

@airsoftfatty1234 3 года назад

I had one that looked a lot similar to our run but it used neon vector graphics and was a suburd. I wish I could just remember the brand. I’d love to see it again

@airsoftfatty1234 3 года назад

I think it wasn’t a game though I think it was a baby toy, all I remember is it looked similar to our run and used vector graphics I think the colors it used on screen was blue green and red.

@chipskylark8869 3 года назад

I'm in michigan too and I think I had that same one didn't have real tires like this one

@chipskylark8869 3 года назад

Had a full steering wheel too maybe just the American version

@markb4328 4 года назад

Astro Wars! I had that when I was a child, think it's still in my mum's house somewhere.

@4t0m5k 4 года назад

This reminds me so much of the Tommy Turbo toy I had, as a toddler in the early nineties. I loved that red, rattling, mysteriously glowing plastic monstrosity :D

@jarnoob 4 года назад

Tomy turnin' turbo

@krissymarklewis1793 4 года назад

At least Outrun seems to have a higher frame rate than the Spectrum version haha!

@Skyisnotalimit 4 года назад

That "boost" gauge is looking exactly like on Saab 900 Turbo. It's boost on top, water temp on the left, and fuel on the right.

@Anthony-pz3hg 4 года назад

"Using half the worlds plastic in the process" lololololololololololol

@jackmcslay 4 года назад

4:02 with the way they made the mold I can't help think they expected to make an F1 game at some point

@stevef6392 4 года назад

I need to set up an arcade with a bunch of these things. RGB lighting, a jukebox, popcorn machine, and... a bunch of these LCD games all squawking away.

@myes344 4 года назад

Can i come? Also u have food? Need beer also

@arnold20139 3 года назад

You unlocked a memory in my mind. I remember seeing these in KB toys once as a kid, I wanted one so badly. But my dad wouldnt get me one cause it wasnt worth it. Later that year I got my Gameboy Pocket for christmas. My dad isn't smart with new tech, but he knew that the Gameboy was worth more than whatever Tiger shilled out.

@eins2001 4 года назад

I want to convert that Outrun 'cabinet' into a switch controller for playing, well, Outrun

@ill_bred_demon9059 3 года назад

In the US during the 90's there was a magazine called "Penny Power" later renamed "Zillions" that reviewed toys the same way the parent company Consumer Reports reviewed home appliances and cars. The After Burner game was highlighted for being a stellar example of packaging over functionality, noting the discrepancy between the size of the device itself and the tiny LCD screen. I assume there were significant cost factors involved due to economies of scale, but for the tabletop sized games Tiger should have at least had a bigger screen than on the handheld version.

@TanjoGalbi 4 года назад

I'd love to convert the Outrun one to use a proper full colour screen, give it analogue steering and then customise a Raspberry Pi or something to run a port of the arcade version of the game. Would be cool in that case. :)

@natecw4164 2 года назад

5:08 "My cousin had one of these and I thought it was..." What? The cat's pajamas? The bee's knees? "The dog's bullocks." *Oh*

@adamberndt4190 8 месяцев назад

The batmobile and the afterburner game would look awesome sitting on a shelf in a man cave though.

@dreammfyre 4 года назад

“Slab of tat” *browses dictionary*

@ideegeniali 3 года назад

When i was 8 and learning basic DC electrical circuits, i built a bigger wooden case for a tennis handheld game. I wired two pushbuttons. With better controls i could achieve better scores. Also attached a speaker where the piezo was and got louder sounds. This kind of mods made me happy and proud back in the days.

@K11... 4 года назад

I grew up in the 80’s and remember I loved these things. I feel like an ancient relic myself after watching this.

@Christopher-N 4 года назад

(9:30) I once bought the handle end of a _Flying Fighters_ toy at a Goodwill store, and had more fun with that. For those unfamiliar, it was essentially a plastic fighter jet, with a handle on the rear: the handle, designed to look like a flight stick, contained the batteries, a speaker that would produce a engine sound that changed depending upon how you moved the unit, and button that rocked left or right for gun or missile sounds.

@martinmcneal2778 3 года назад

This reminds me of an old starwars computer game that had this awesome player attachment that you put on the keyboard

@bladeriders 3 года назад

My cousins had outrun when we were young. It was really cool because it was just so different from how gaming was evolving at the time since Nintendo and Sega were changing the arcade market into handheld controllers. This style of play somehow made me feel like I was playing a game more in the classic era when arcades were popular-before I was born

@tollermccallum 4 года назад

9 year old me spent ages drooling over the After Burner game in the Argos catalogue. A friend ended up bringing one into school on the last day of term and I've never been as disappointed by anything since.

@mRibbons 3 года назад

I owned the outrun tabletop and loved it. Granted I was at an age when I didn't even know to put passwords in on Mega Man... But it really brings me back.

@ThePoxun 4 года назад

When I was 4 or 5 one of my friends had the Afterburner game. He never had any batteries for it but there was still plenty of play value in just the joystick, throttle and panel of stickers even without the electronics.

@Junior-eq7gb 4 года назад

Might be a big christmas gift from poor parents who couldnt buy batteries.Still a Nice toy for a child,even if not working

@jeffmasson1979 4 года назад

I remember drooling over after burner in the electronic catologs 🤣

@robintst 4 года назад

It's amazing how easily we were sold on hunks of plastic covered in stickers in those days. The draw really was all in the strength of the licensed name and the advertising.

@deaneireann4769 4 года назад

A guy on the sega master system cafe Facebook group converted the afterburner unit by inserting a Sega gamegear loaded with afterburner into the shell and connecting the joystick... It's a work of art.

@emmabentley7945 4 года назад

I had Tigers Paperboy. one of the better ones but still awful lol.

@jimidennis22 3 года назад

Can’t imagine a kid playing the Outrun game on a long car ride with the sound effects lol

@nicwilson89 3 года назад

Using the batman one, ripping out the electronics and screen, and replacing it with an HDMI IPS panel and a Raspberry Pi would make a sick emulation machine, especially converting the wheel to an analog wheel input and stuff. Would make playing old games that could use a wheel setup fucking amazing

@ClockWithoutNumbers 2 года назад

I used to have like two LCD games that I completely forgot what company made them or what they even looked like all I know is that one of them was a Disney Pixar cars version of Daytona tiger electronics edition but with mater instead. As well as a Spider-Man one where you had to save people from a crumbling building while avoiding doc ock

@dark14life 3 года назад

I had Outrun as a kid. My parents picked it up at an auction they were helping at for dirt cheap. I had an Atari 2600, Magnavox, Colecovision, and a mini Pac-Man cabinet. I was not impressed with that piece of junk. It was a fun distraction for a few hours and then it went down into the basement to be forgotten until my parents sold it at a garage sale a year or so later. The NES hit the shelves not long after and everything else went to the wayside lol

@Cory_ 4 года назад

This is hilarious. 99% of the money went into the seriously cool looking fake arcade cabinet, and 1% into the actual game.

@stevenqirkle 3 года назад

My brother got After Burner for Christmas one year and we loved that thing.

@tinkersans 3 года назад

The "music" of the first one of those lil games made me pysically reel my head back as if someone was mad at me for no reason- XD and i was like "so ya know that feeling of hearing a noise so horrid it makes you back up in pain?" ;w;

@Daz555Daz 4 года назад

8:08 - showing it next to Tomytronic 3D games is rather tragic because they were superb and proved you could make a good game with LCD/VFD technology with some thought - the 3D effect was actually worthwhile unlike the plastic monstrosity that was Afterburner.

@Blueinklingboy 4 года назад

6:39 that is the worst redition of Magical Sound Shower

@ChaseMC215 4 года назад

To quote Stuart Ashen from the end of his review on that piece of shit.... "Will you SHUT UP?!?!"

@JoshuaMiller-ny5uf 4 года назад

A lovely video as always. The subtitles had several typos and some strange re-wordings or missed ad libs.

@soyburglar77 3 года назад

Man, I hated those little handheld single game units that somehow ended up in our Christmas stockings every year and went totally unplayed until we got a new one the next year.

@svsguru2000 4 года назад

I had one that did not even have a game. It was just a transparent, rotating drum with the road printed on it, illuminated from the inside. The steering wheel moved the drum left and right.

@glitchwalker5422 4 года назад

For as ridiculous as they look, I still really wanted one of these as a kid. I think they do the job of an interactive toy better than a video game, and seen in that light they do the job well... As in, I could play it for hours like I would with my other toys

@ste76539 3 года назад

I remember seeing the ads for these when I was a kid and dreaming of owning one. Alas I never did get one, and all these years later....I'm so flippin' glad I didn't.

@justsayinit6789 3 года назад

these were kind of awesome! the physical devices were exciting to look at and engage with... but the tech wasn't there, the lcd screen was a huge let down. but if you did this now with current tech, it'd probably be pretty cool.

@KennyTheB 2 года назад

Holy crap... I still have my Space Turbo from when I was a kid. Simple as it was, it still felt better than the things Tiger was coughing up back then.

@smwillia 4 года назад

That two "C" size and two "AA" size batteries together thing is ridiculous.

@LNSLateNightSaturday 4 года назад

I have a small child now (five years old), and I can't help but feel a little sad for all of the disappointed kids who got these for X-mas's and B-days. I've given my kid a few gifts that turned out to be duds, and it sucks for both the kid and the parent... ;)

@Djhg2000 4 года назад

Seeing those stickers of SAAB dials (turbo/APC was what SAAB called their turbo management system) on the OutRun version made me laugh :D

@dermetzger 4 года назад

That Outrun game's stickers contain 3 separate tachometers (each showing different redline) and 2 speedometers

@eendikschaap7547 4 года назад

I had an LCD F1 racing game once and quickly went back to our ancient pong console which didn't even have an AI opponent. Told me a lot about marketing at a young age. In total I only played it like 5 times and then it just vanished. Literally a room full of toys and the only thing missing was this piece of crap. I'm glad it's gone, but I still wonder where it ended up.

@midnightmosesuk 3 года назад

As a kid I had a table top Galaxians game and more of the game was played in my imagination than on the magnified screen. I was in my own starfighter, taking down an invading army of aliens! No doubt the kids who originally had these were the same. The technology was only secondary to all the buttons and levers and steering columns, it was those which turned a little LCD screen into the limitless blue vistas of a wide open sky, just crammed with enemy MIG's out for your blood!

@RikoWatashi 4 года назад

As a kid in eastern blok i always wanted that Outrun thing when we got our hands on some west german catalogues :) Oh memories.

@TheBrokenLife 4 года назад

I wanted that Outrun one soooo bad when I was about 8. Fortunately for me, I was in a Walgreens (because of course it was... for unfamiliar folks, that's a pharmacy that is also like a mini-Walmart... so, half full of garbage) and they had one operational as a "Try Me". What a complete disappointment. Never meet your heroes.

@martinshearman-brettle1406 4 года назад

I had that Batman game one Christmas. I loved it. Got it the same time as my Master System, but still played that Batman game for hours. It was simple, yes. But that was it's strength. Probably the best LCD game I played.

@namelessentity5851 3 года назад

"Filling the air with sounds of wind instruments, and fear of piety" That was beautiful and poetic. Also kinda sounds like an album by The Pogues.

@soyburglar77 3 года назад

Karnov!!! Man, I had totally forgotten about that game! What a weird one...plus, I could never get very far on it.

@millerman7799 3 года назад

Those silly contraptions are like mini-sized arcade cabinets, only without the "arcade" in it 8) That's a huge amount of plastic for such a small gaming experience :D

@sarreqteryx 4 года назад

16:39 my best guess from searching around is that the 4-792501-01 is a 4mhz oscillator. I'm not absolutely sure of that, since I can't find anything definitive, like a datasheet.

@TheCode-X 4 года назад

Ngl i would love the Afterburner console... Plenty of stuff to let the imagination fly, a cool stick with controls, and an speed indicator.. damm, i would loved this as a kid

@MrClassiccarenthusia 4 года назад

I need one of these! So I can rip it apart and install a modern LCD screen hooked upto a RaspberryPi emulating outrun! 👌🏻

@theamazingbrave 3 года назад

0:57 Is there anything more late 80s/early 90s than a kid's commercial with Barrel distortion?

@nickmalcom6360 4 года назад

"super sound" refers to the fact that that game was pretty loud compared to most other tiger games.

@WX4CB 4 года назад

one of my favorite games was the tomy "binocular" games... I had the red one which IIRC was a tron based game.

@ProfessorPesca 4 года назад

Oh jeez I forgot about those! There was a shark one as well ISTR

@wardrich 4 года назад

The most ironic thing with that OutRun game is that they chose to use an LCD screen. It would have been a far better experience if it were one of those belt-style games, instead... like that old Tomy Derby game

@miszcz310 4 года назад

Wow, all of these icons from the first "game" come from Saab 9000 clocks. They are just rearranged. Even those turbo APC, everything.

@krmr 4 года назад

The RU-vid subtitles for this are hilarious, really the best bit 😂

@jafwilding Год назад

I had the Out Run game. Got it for my birthday. I had my party at Pizza Hut, and all the boys wanted to play it.

@demonsorrows 4 года назад

The only handheld game like a Tiger game I got as a kid was the one from Konami with TMNT. My brother had one of the Tiger Batman wristwatch games. My parents got me an R-Zone when it first came out thinking it would be something I would like :| .. My grandma knew better. Took me to a game store to pick out any game I wanted for the SNES and it was.. Chrono Trigger (great grandma). Went with her to a bookstore after (she's an avid reader) and did the setup "oh look, that book is sticking out. You should check it" after waiting for me to be distracted and slipped a $20 bill inside. Twenty-three years ago. Damn, I feel old xD

@Drinkabeerandplayagameofficial 4 года назад

I knew of Outrun and and After Burner thanks to Octavius/Gaming Muso but never knew about that amazing Batman one...god I want it

@thegamingpast780 4 года назад

These were pretty poor, thanks for shedding some light on them. Some of the handhelds from earlier years were quite good and worth playing. Everyone remembers Astro Wars by Grandstand quite fondly. There was always one brought in to school for 'toy day' back in the early eighties. All the lads would queue up to play it.

@birdy369 2 года назад

MAN I wanted these so bad as a kid in the early/mid 90s, between the ages of probably 4-7. I thought they were the coolest things ever! Never did own one though. I DID have some kind of steering wheel & gear shift combo toy thing that didn't have any sort of display, but it had alot of realistic bells and whistles on it, and I ALWAYS had to have it when I was riding in the car, so i could turn the wheel and drive along with my mom n dad lol. The more stickers and nonsense details, the BETTER in my mind back then. I wouldn't have cared about the game quality, admiring all of the buttons and switches on the stickers would have kept me occupied for quite some time. Things were so simple back then. Wish I still had that imagination! Everyone's ideas with replacing the screen and installing a raspberry-pi &arduino for the buttons and switches - ID BUY THAT!

@beckythompson4538 3 года назад

As far as Tiger games go the Outrun seems the most natural fit for deluxe edition. I had the Xmen one as a child and it was great. But I can’t imagine a way to make it bigger. Tiger games haven’t aged well but if you didn’t have a game boy it was cool having games on the go

@CardboardSliver 4 года назад

3:32 yo they used a Saab cluster. It still says TURBO/APC Oh my God haha

@amosdominguez699 4 года назад

35 years ago it was only a dream for some of us to have a portable game whit a full color screen, and now they cost 10 dollars from china 🤯

@ComicBookGuy82 4 года назад

I had one of those, but I think it was Knight Rider themed. At least I remember the KITT steering wheel.

@MyNameIsPetch 2 года назад

11:27 "and you'll see why" apparently not as it's completely out of focus 😂

@soaringeag1392 3 года назад

Funny enough, I actually have a bow hunting Tiger game, that was also complete crap, and loud(not the speakers, but the actual bow mechanism)

@Drew-Dastardly 4 года назад

Ah 1989, I remember me mum coming home with the Amiga 500 Batman pack. Silly cow, I sent her packing and to not dare come back home from Argos without a Grandstand Batman LCD game instead.

@AJNpa80 3 года назад

These toys were the ultimate let down, don't know how they weren't charged with fraud or something. I remember them vividly, and the contempt I felt for them, thinking as a kid, what a waste, couldn't even use them for something else, all the effort and material put into them, would have had a better experience with a plain toy car or an unplugged joystick or steering wheel.

@A_Man_In_His_Van 4 года назад

That batmobile is looking like something to get mom's mind racing, moreso than any child's. Lol.

@rb3020 2 года назад

could you do a video on the tiger electronics mech warrior game/figure? I can't find a video on it for the life of me but it seems kinda cool and if I could finally find a job in the little town I now live in, Id like to save up some money to get a hold of one to dink around with and to live half the time on my shelf

@HuntersMoon78 4 года назад

0:50 that was a Postal 2 cat with a shotgun/M16 up it's arse.....rockincats.

@ABCEasyas-- 4 года назад

I haven’t seen The Outrun game since the video where Ashens played it.

@CarInMyAss 4 года назад

I used to run through batteries on the jordan vs bird one 🤣

@atranfanatic 4 года назад

I envy you having all of those in the boxes minus After Burner. Which is funny, that is the only one of the 3 I have and it is the Tiger version boxed. lol I didn't even know they made a Batman one. I have always wanted the Out Run version. I can also see that Out Run is similar to Hang-On and the Batman is similar to Super Sprint on the Tiger handhelds.

@atranfanatic 3 года назад

Update: Just recently I acquired an Out Run Tiger version in the box. I got it for a good price on Ebay. Unfortunately the sound doesn't work, but thanks to this video. I can figure out where the wires go. And solder them, so the sound will work again. There was some corrosion in the battery terminals. Which I eliminated a lot with white distilled vinegar and rubbing alcohol. With all that said. I am still looking for the Batman tabletop and the Tank Attack as well. Well the OutRun is all fixed thanks to your video! And I actually found a Tank Attack complete in box that needs repaired. Some people may think these games are kind of stupid and pointless. But collectors like me that grew up on the Tiger handhelds are happy to have them in their collection! lol

@NorthStarBlue1 4 года назад

The real appeal of these things to kids was not that they were fun to play, but that they were really big. That's why we all wanted things like Power Wheels and that G.I. Joe aircraft carrier playset that was the size of a small coffee table back then, so you could invite your friends over and rub it into their faces that you got bigger toys than them and no you can't have a turn on it, mom got it for me and said only I'm allowed to use it so too bad.

@davidthomas-dalman1330 4 года назад

Wow, that sticker just right of the screen plus the bonnet infers you have a 4 door Ferrari

@garethevans9789 4 года назад

I think it would be interesting to cover Tiger & Tomy's history. The first I can remember was one of those tiny fishtanks where you squeeze a button to get hoops to land on polls. I wonder if those who grew up with tablet and smartphone game's will have the same nostalgia as physical toys.🤔

@SimRacingVeteran 4 года назад

I guess this is OG Sim Racing 🤣🤣🤣 Shit we’ve come a long way.

@bobwire9214 4 года назад

Very impressive oldies, ever the original box, enjoyed the view. I collected some of the Entex handhelds, some still work.

@coyoteartist 4 года назад

One has to admire the talent to sound so plastic about plastic. Regardless, while still not remember who I knew who had one, I was well content with the Outrun one. Probably because it 1. looked way cool, 2. I could easily delude myself 3. Car. Don't need explanation. Sure It might have come down to a bit of someone else's house excitement too.