I kinda don’t really care at this point. White women can call it what they want for their hair. We call it what we do for our hair. For our hair to do what theirs does in a braid or twist out, we’d have to blow out and or flat iron our hair first then put some loose waves in it. Black people are always going to know the origin and continue with our names and ways. Let them think they did something new! It doesn’t bother me I have real things to worry about.
What an ignorant statement. BLACK PEOPLE WILL NOT ALWAYS KNOW THE ORIGIN!!! Most of us are just now finding out who we truly are as a people because of people stealing our identity and white washing it. Hair may be on a smaller scale but this is their M.O. they take what they DID NOT creature, then put their name and faces on it!!! The Crown Act had to be made a law (even though all 50 states have not passed it) because of the discrimination black women face on the job because of our hairstyles, and in some cases lost their jobs!!! Having your livelihood taken from you because of your hair, is a real thing to worry about!!!
I thought I was the only one that felt this way. The results don't look the same because of the completely different textures. They have always twisted/braided their hair and took it down the next day for "beach waves." Their's is not a twist out.
this reminds me of the day i saw a ww on IG arguing that natural hair isn't "curly" but "coily". these people started using gel to "define their curls" and now they are saying our natural hair isnt curly
@@OliviaFranks219 if that is true that's dumb...bc if u want to argue appropriation then me as an African american with a natural wavy hair pattern...if i twist my hair to get tighter curls an i therefor appropriating??? How can one define only one hair type as natural..sorry but that's stupid!!
I'm sure everyone with a brain knows that but that isn't what I am talking about. I said someone on IG said that black women's natural hair cannot be classed as "curly" because it is "coily". All my life I've seen my natural hair as curly and I won't stop calling it that because someone thinks it is not
@@Diamond-Dollgirl shut up. Go outside & touch grass. Black women like you are exactly what’s wrong with the natural hair community. “CuLtUrE ApPrOpRiAtIoN.” Just pure stupidity.
I really can’t get behind the girl who was saying “yall giving them a leg to stand on when it comes to weaves”. No, ma’am. For HUNDREDS of years, white people instilled in us that their hair texture was to be desired. It was literally written into law that we couldn’t wear our natural hair if we wanted to be accepted into society (until just recently, kids wearing locs to school was a problem). So y’all don’t get to now gatekeep straight hair after forcing us into it.
We not giving anymore passes. Colonizers have been taking for centuries. Its not about hate its about taking something, giving it another name and not giving credit where credit is due. Give them an inch and they take a mile. When someone points out anything Colonizers do its always a problem. Lets give credit where credit is due and there will be nothing to discuss
This part!!! That girl really rubbed me the wrong way, saying all that. Like, nah, they be taking our shit all the time. We're not letting y'all have anything. If we can't have shit, neither can y'all. At this point, we should start renaming the white folks' stuff and see if they "let us have it".
People claiming indiffrence to this need to remember that we're living under capitalism: patenting and claiming ideas literally generates wealth. Stop sleeping on that fact 👀
This is what happens when you invite everyone and hype up the most basic ish. Also we need to stop sharing everything to the world and share amongst ourselves
As a white person with locs. I have seen the term "mattlocks" be thrown around from progressive voices when referring to white people with locs. Claiming that they should be called something different when on white people. I dont agree with this, much like the mama mia situation. It really does cover up where they got their inspiration from. I will always call my hair locs, because the reason i have them in the first place was due to the influence of black culture throughout my life. Making it clear, im not trying to cover anything up with the dumb "well vikings had them🤓" argument. I would love to hear your thoughts on this topic, and anyone can feel free to share their opinions in the replys, I am not black so I dont feel as though I can have the right or a full perspective to claim what is best of course.
Imo respect for the culture and the people is important. It seems you had respect and reverence for locs and that is appreciation not appropriation. I can't speak for the entire community but as long as the respect is there do it up
I am curious- what do your locs mean to you? I understand that black culture inspired you but why did you choose locs to emulate? Black people have different reasons for locs for example as a hair style that is natural and allows length or for religious/spiritual reasons. Respectfully, why do you wear locs? (And thank you for not going with the "viking" thing as if Americans of northern European descent were sitting around looking at photos of their Viking ancestors and decided to emulate.😅)
@ttthecat When I first started locking my hair, I was around 16. Of course, being young, I really enjoyed the look. But I have always insisted on making sure to be knowledgeable about the history and proper care, finding that the in depth process is very therapeutic. Even just seeing them fresh out the shower or after a retwist/protective style. They have always been a part of me and not one person's locs can be the same. Everyone has their own unique relationship with them, like you said, and I think thats what makes them so beautiful. To me, my locs represent how much I've grown as a person without losing myself inside. And how much I still have left to give. I truly have many reasons I connect with my locs/locs in general. I hope my experience doesn't come off as being too cautious. I genuinely just stand for educating and being mindful of one's actions and perspectives towards others. Especially from cultures other than your own. I am very glad to be having this open conversation.
also another reason why it's hard to really give a sht any more about this kind of stuff is because it's not like black women are in droves walking around with twist outs. the vast majority still are wearing straight wigs and weaves so who cares if someone wants to twist their hair, remove it and call it Mamma Mia hair just because they renamed it when you literally don't even want to wear your own hair in a twist out? also the employment/job excuse is tired and not an issue for the vast majority of us (at least not in the USA - I don't even live in the US and I wear my hair out at work). how are we scared to wear our hair out, yet worried about what the 🌴 people are doing to and calling their own hair? it's a waste of time. it's a waste of discourse. a waste of dialogue.
in this particular case, I don't think they really stole anything because this particular hair style isn't unique to us (unlike other hairstyles) however it didn't really have a name in English until we gave it one. I think it's just that they don't want to use our terms because if they search up a twist out they will see our faces and our hair and they don't want to see us. they've made that abundantly clear.
@LethalLemonLime I see a lot of black women rockin twist outs and braid outs. Let's be real, we have been told our hair is ugly (that's a LIE) which has caused a lot of self hate and conforming. The Crown Act had to be made a law becauseof of the foolishness we have to deal with regarding our hair. We're condemned when we embrace our natural hair and the way we style it, they're praised when they appropriate it.
@@Listening4n0wno point in arguing when they made several statements that deaded what they had to say in the first place...as in: I don't live in the US but it's not like that in the US ik for sureee 😃
How do you semi defend something in one response but yet go against it with your own original comment? Ntm your point fell flat (hard; statements went moot) when you thought to say hair discrimination isn't a thing in the US..yet you also don't live in the US. Take time out to figure out why the "crown act" is a thing and still being pushed daily if it wasn't a thing or that serious of a thing in the US. Can't be a "tired excuses" if things have been a set standard (til this day mind you all over really so it works even with you not being in the us) to even get it to this point. If those same things making certain toxic standards have been ingrained and tragically recycled just to be on par to/with the masses. If you feel its a waste, good for you getting your own opinion out there, but remember that's just your opinion it doesn't make it a fact bc evb still has their pov. ntm again weren't you just arguing abt straight hair in another comment yet you commented this as well...? Odd how the correct correlation didn't completely happen the way it should. I would also mention and point out the red flag on top of not living in the US and what not that you just had to state how "we wear straight wigs weaves dadadadadaaaa...all the time" all while again conflicting yourself. Actual factual interpolation goes a long way, complete correct correlation goes a long way.
I wouldn't be so concerned about appropriation if not for people calling black hairstyles unprofessional or outright banning them when it's on black people but suddenly having it be elevated to trendy status or stylish when on white people. It's blatant hypocrisy and this type of discrimination has very real and very negative consequences in daily life and in professional spaces which results in pretty costly economic setbacks.
Fix your sentence then🥴 As a singular, individual black woman..I don't care. Or even better for you, as an individual, singular black woman who doesn't account for the rest I seem to believe nobody cares so this doesn't matter.
Oh Brother, this is like crimpng but for beachwaves. 😂🤣🤣. Mama Mia- Sooo Corny! They are just trying to create their own thing😂😅 but they do bite... and then make things famous that's not theirs.... like tik tok dances, hair extensions, braids, nails but when they do it the world embraces it... disregarding black originality. I can see why sisters get mad, the gaslight thievery is real! It's not as petty as it seems, suttle usery!!
I see no wrong in what the white woman has done. Don’t we black women copy their hairstyles. The straight hair, the wavy curls. So why can’t they be free to do the same, the double standards.
You don't understand the context of this, you can't just say that without historical context. White people have always looked down upon black hairstyles, but suddenly since they like it now apparently it's a trend and renaming them and taking them for themselves as if they invented it, is just disrespecting all the years they've been discriminating black people. And about black women wearing weaves, is just so dumb cuz you know for a fucking fact that our natural hair has always been looked down upon, and you needed to relax, straighten, or wear weaves in order to get JOBS, that's why they wear it, not for fun (atleast not all of them) you as a black women yourself(I assume) always come for black women as if y'all haven't been discriminated against for centuries now. Please learn think before speaking out of you ass
talk for urself Im not a wig warrior! But are those wig girls renaming the so called blonde hair too let say african sun colour??? Also straight hair is not exclusive too yts Im half ethiopian and all of somalia and ethiopia has straight hair.
It's not about them wearing the styles it's about them renaming iconic styles and techniques that poc have been using for decades like it's a whole new thing that they just discovered
Exactly-notice the girl talking about cultural appropriation was braiding Caucasian blonde hair into hers? Freaking hypocritical AND willfully ignorant.
@@chelseaamara7218kinky hair isn’t exclusive to Africa either-met several Irish and Italians with type 4 hair. So by your logic, white women aren’t culturally appropriating anything black women do because they have those textures too.
This is the same as when Hailey Beiber came up with the "chocolate glaze" lip gloss. And everyone went off about how we, along with Latina's, lined our lips with brown or black liner WAY before her time. It's just old now. 6:09 They are just up in the face with it. But they still won't own up to admiring our style to the point of stealing it like everything else. Oh, and let's not forget about the "glass" hair or whatever it's called. When we've BEEN getting our hair pressed, leaving us with the "glass," like image. I don't know. This is just ridiculous at this point.
But beside the point, everything looks different on different races. So it's natural that styles are called different things from one race to another. It's just being nitpicky at this point, and bitter.
yeah girl the "nara smith braids" really rubbed me the wrong way b/c black woman have been doing that hairstyle for CENTURIES, but as soon as a lighter-skinned, more popular black woman does it NOW it's revolutionary. girl...
They steal everything?? It’s just a hair style. They don’t even have curly hair so the out come is completely different. No black woman is gonna call it “mamma Mia” hair. Only white women will call it that. Black women getting mad at what white women are doing is so weird. It’s got nothing to do with y’all. How do u expect some random white woman to even know what a twist out is😂 she probably never heard of it so she’ll just call it what it looks like
we don't care what these people do, like seriously. we already know the recipe, so why even let it affect you? as long as you preserve and uphold your culture amongst yourselves 🖤🧬💯👏🏿, we are great, people are going to copy us. It should be expected honestly, come on now look at history. if people want to copy, exploit, whatever they choose to do that is their decision. Whether they give us the credit or not for the inspiration we don't need the validation. We know whats up, we know the truth. And most of them will never admit it. So do yourself a favor, stop giving these people your energy my sister's. 🌹😘
The stupidity in these comments!!! KNOWING THE TRUTH MATTERS because without it LIES are able to thrive, and a people's history is completely washed away!!!
That's cute, great really if it could just be/happen that simple and smooth. Exploitation isn't cute at all so that's a hard no and then with that eradication, erasing, so again no. That's why you have to stop things or at the very least speak up about it and against it everytime. If things were that easy, it would be that easy and happening by now. But it's clearly not and atr maybe never going to. You can't even begin to preserve, reserve, uphold, even "gatekeep" something that'll just keep getting stolen from you uncredited. It's like being the background guy making everything happen and yk ofc you (and maybe someone else, maaybe) -but nobody else knows or cares, nobody speaks up, and you watch as everything you did gets praised and all this bc of someone else who didn't even begin to do anything- they have the forever credit and if you speak up abt it esp then you'll get berated and accused all bc nobody's "knows better" or cares to. again that's not great or cute or easy.
@@Boohurghhoo whatever you believe is what your reality will become. I don't believe that, you can believe what you like. Have the day that you manifest and the day that you deserve. 💜👍🏿
I almost feel like I’d rather them rename it for themselves. Let’s keep twist outs for ourselves lol. I agree with the clip at 9:20. Braids or cornrows is a different story lol.
honestly i don't really care but that's because I don't really like to think about them in general lol but the first girl keeps saying it's just a braid out which is kind of annoying me because how can it be a braid out with no braids involved? they literally rope twisted their hair which most people do not do for a twist out. also they always name things the most dumb names. they severely lack creativity which explains why they like to steal from us.
Rope twist is something as well. So she went from rope twists to a twist out/flat twist out but of course they renamed it mamma Mia. So they purposely went to dig up an old movie to use to justify their theivery.
Done! Don't care anymore. You're right, I DONT CARE! So tired of all the hatred. You want the world to be a better place, learn to let sh!t go. I braided my hair when I was a kid to get those ringlet curls all the time because I had super curly and very frizzy hair, I had no idea it was something in the black community until I was older. And it wasn't because I didn't grow up without any black people in my neighborhood or school. It's just that nobody ever had a problem with it. Everyone did there thing and that was it. Let me tell you something else, I'm a very pasty-white-Scottish-woman here and people have been touching my hair without permission since I was a kid. At 53, they still DO!
White people (from french side of canada, if it matters) perspective: the name "mama mia hair" is also silly to us but for a different reason. Plenty of us have been twisting our hair like that as kids without anyone teaching us because it's just something easy to do with our hair when we're bored. Twist and twist and twist, and then twist the twisted hair strands together until you can't twist anymore and then tie it. A couple of historical european hairstyles also involved similarly twisted braids. And of course for those of us with straight hair or 2a,2b hair, it's much easier to do when the hair is wet and already in clumps. Giving such a basic thing a name from a movie and pretending it's new and trendy feels very "Look at me I'm an influencer! Am I influencing you? Please give me your attention! My dream is to be famous!" Regardless of where it's from, it's one more silly tiktok rebranding of something people were already doing for centuries if not more, and turning everything into a marketable brand.
8:42 knows what’s up. Women are out there letting other women bother them are looking really silly. Don’t worry, Caucasian hair won’t be able to withstand these other styles for long due to breakage and pretty soon they will be talking about rice water and paraben-free shampoo again. 😅
Just letting u know that white people aren’t Caucasian. ACTUAL Caucasians are people like Armenians, Azerbaijani, Russia, Turkey, Iran, etc and anyone native to the Caucas mountains. The name was taken from these beautiful people.
It’s their hair that is basically straight so the out come of the hair style is completely different to ours. It’s their hair so if they wanna call it that let them. Black women can call them twist outs and white women can call it mamma Mia hair. I’m 100% sure if that white women said twist outs y’all would STILL accuse her of culture appropriation so there is no winning is there🤷🏽♀️
black people didn't invent braids nor hold an international braid patent. tons of things have different names in different cultures. maybe y'all should stop ~gatekeeping~ things that ANYONE can do for real
We will continue to gatekeep our intricate hair braiding styles that you will NEVER DO because your thin stringy hair will fall out!!. Keep your weird ass viking bubble braids and 2 plaits and frenchies because that's all you heffas can do anyway! WE INVENTED THEE BEST BRAID HAIRSTYLES. SHIT EVEN OUR HAIRSTYLES BE BETTER THAN YOURS. WE DO SHIT YOU PASTIES WILL NEVER DO! THAT IS WHY YALL STEAL IT AND CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE!! BECAUSE YOU PALM PPL HATE WHEN WE INVENT ANYTHING ITS BEEN WRITTEN AND DISCOVERED THROUGHOUT BLK HISTORY WHAT WEVE INVENTED THE MOST SHIT!! YALL HATE IT! BUT STAY MAD WITH YOUR UGLY ASS VIKING BRAIDS 😂.
Hi I don’t know what it is like over in America but, I am a white European woman and this is not new. We do this all the time and have for a long time also. But we just say you’re plaiting your hair to get waves. I’ve seen people here saying she is doing it wrong but, she’s not? When we plait our hair we know we’re getting waves. And here in the uk rope twist and rope plait are two different things. We have called it rope plait for a long time also.
Your answer is in the statement... Americans are way different than anywhere else... Am African and if they are arguing about things I don't understand I just leave it alone because I just don't understand a lot of what's going on there..... But when you hear the whole story it makes sense to why others are behaving like that.....
Thank you. I think everyone outside of the US can agree now that the whole cultural appropriation Thing became stupid. Esp with Hair. After all by their stupid Definition No American is allowed to do anykind of Hairstyle because they are all immigrants and non of them invented anything. Cultural appropriation was about Copyrights of small Artist against huge corporations. Now.we have people debating who did the First Rope Twist. What If the Neandertal did the First? Are black people than banned to use them? What about braids? What about the Reverse? Are black people living in Europe or the states now longer allowed to participate in their culture? No Pizza or fries for black people?
If she wants to rename something let her do it. What we know is what we know. We spend too much trying to police them when what they do is their business
Kind of odd to state that this discussion is about cultural appropriation and "rebranding" and then show a black woman smirking as she confidently claims that white women who sleep with bonnets, the thing that comes from a French word and has been used by white people since like colonial European times, and also the concept of covering your hair both in general and to sleep exists in a lot of cultures anyways, are somehow doing it with the intention of stealing it from the black community. Gonna be thinking tonight about how several of the women in this video are just being lowkey racist and texturist when I'm laying down to sleep in my satin headwrap to keep my naturally wavy/curly hair protected.
So basically you said all that to state how you got offended. This wasn't about you or naturally wavy/curly haired ppl. Now ask yourself was it? Kind of odd to state something when the things discussed clearly went over you head.
They can call it whatever they want to call it lol. It’s not the same result nor is it really the same style because the hair is so different so let them call it what they want to call it.
This is not mama Mia nor twist outs. There are people out there that have hair like that without doing nothing. They take a shower and do nothing and have that style naturally. No twist, braid, gel or whatever but we all going to believe these type of people don’t exist okay 💅🏼
That's not even part of the discussion, what I'm talking about and have shown are ppl doing a twist out or "mama Mia hair" and getting the results of a twist out. Nobody is arguing that they aren't ppl with curls like that naturally.
@@tintamanengu I was eight and was braiding my hair to have curls. I’m European, and there were zero Black people in my area. And in the 2000s, there was no internet. Come on. In previous centuries, white women actually styled their hair before sleeping so it would be wavy or curly in the morning, or to avoid tangling, but the wave would eventually come. You’re just spotting similarities between populations, and because you’ve found one, you’re talking about racial appropriation. Can I still poop, or is that a Black thing? Using mascara? At this point, I just think Black people should stop migrating to white countries as they obviously cordially hate white people.
@@tbuzz010 you would be amazed at the power Google, I'm 19 and know two people who would fit into the honey blonde an ashy honey blonde category, and they're unrelated.
@@auroraeloise 9.9 out of 10 times, if you’re African-American and you have blonde hair, then you either dyed it, wearing a wig, and/or you have weave in your head. Exceptions don’t make rules. I don’t see white women and Indian women getting upset with black women for wearing THEIR hair.
I guess, sure, it’s a twist out. But it’s not mandatory to twist individual strands before twisting them together for a twist out. So I don’t see the point in wanting to force them to call it a twist out. Growing up, knowing the terms cornrows and French/Dutch braids, I always assumed different textures/cultures called things different names. Like chips and fries. And each one is fine because they didn’t mix with each other enough to know what the other one called it. So this argument is always more confusing than anything to me.
I've started wearing my natural hair and now that I'm finding so many beautiful things I can do to it, I idgaF how white women do their hair😂😂😂 I really don't because at the end of the day I'm the one who's getting stared at as soon as I walk in the room. I'm the person people want to touch and feel MY hair. That's not happenstance, a lot of white people especially ww don't like themselves and so they have to copy because they're not getting the attention they want or think they're entitled to. So let them have their "Mamma Mia" hair and fix ya crowns my fellow black queens. Stop getting your panties in a twist over what INSIGNIFICANT people are doing with their hair. Just an FYI, I live in a predominantly white town, so I've seen EVERYTHING. I laugh at some of these people because it's honestly embarrassing. Let them dig their hole, stop the crying and whining, and just be you. This whole rant ain't it...
This is a reach. That doesnt even look like a twist out if white women start calling black women who wear twist outs "mamma mia" hair or giving us a problem then thats an issue. I think ww should have their own names for styles for their hairstyles and tectures. Honestly this feels like complaining for no reason.
Natural hair is each individual's hair, regardless of any race, without the influence of styling tools on the individual's hair. Natural is not applied to a race. It's an adjective describing in this case, hair.
Non poc women are not getting kicked out of school, denied jobs, or written up in the military because their hair is in its natural state, without manipulation-only black women. Cut it out. We’re not letting you ppl try to change or co-op the natural hair movement. Just stop. 😊
I understand where both sides are coming from. Because there was a point in time where other yt girls were glorifying the mafia lifestyle. And the women that experienced it was like idk why you guys want to portray that you’re a mafia wife or that you come from a mafia family just because of an aesthetic. Because that lifestyle is more than the aesthetic. And yes ppl can wear whatever they want. But why are ppl putting a negative lifestyle to clothing.
They've been doing this hairstyle for years, but it goes out of style for them then makes a comeback in later generations who think they discovered something and renames it. It never goes out of style for us, so the name never changes. I don't care what they call it for their hair. It'll always be a twist out for mine.
@@krelurve7276 braiding hair is a part of ALL cultures, same as twisting it. And you’re right, instead y’all are appropriating racial genetic traits which is even creepier. Yikes 😬
@@ravenrebel3183um there are different types of braids. she is not doing a traditionally white or European braiding style. also blonde hair is not a culture so this comment is not the flex that you so desperately think that it is. blonde hair has been documented in all races and even if it wasn't, coloring ones hair (or wearing extensions rather than coloring your own hair to prevent damage) is very much so a worldwide phenomenon but you probably have never left the country so...
@@LethalLemonLime How many blondes are among black people? Why are black women buying straight and/or blonde wigs or extensions if it’s supposedly all-natural? You’re being hypocritical. European hair comes in all colors and shapes, which isn’t the case for other ethnicities, including black people. Or maybe you’re thinking about mixed-race individuals, you know, those with one black parent and one white parent? Coincidence? You can braid your hair in whatever style and color you want; you’re a grown woman, but white women also have this right. And they won’t ask for your opinion anyway. By the way, made-in-China plastic (or natural Russian hair if you’re wealthy… Why Russian and not Congolese?) extensions haven’t been an African tradition for centuries. Don’t hide behind “tradition” to forbid others what you allow yourself to do.
@@LethalLemonLime as much as you’re reaching, everyone knows blonde hair is primarily European, with some mulattos and Melanesians having it too. Black Africans do not unless they’re albino. And braids of that simple style are certainly European as much as they are EVERYWHERE, do some research before being loudly wrong. Black women wearing blonde hair is giving Peola from The Bluest Eye” energy, and that looks pathetic.
@@scienceofeverything1111other cultures have been doing this as well for centuries and refer to it under different names (talking about the twist or "mamma mia hair").
