The fact that Tim Duncan cared more about winning than stats makes him underrated because I promise you if the guy wanted to be a 25 and 10 guy every year he could have
Win with a competent franchise: carried Lose with a crap franchise: unlucky and/or underrated We like to pretend our favorite players have the same potential as others and could do the same if given their tools, but it just doesn’t work that way. These guys still have to go out there and win. There’s especially no reason to discredit them if they are drafted there. Like, what do you want them to do, request a trade to go play for the Pistons or something?
the fucking thing is they were not even competent before timmy got there. Look it up yourself, the pop who drafted tim was only coach for a year and they were fucking tanking the year he started coaching to get tim duncan. the admiral had a career altering injury and he never was truly the same and that fucker was hard carrying the spurs with some real fucking bums. 2003 championship spurs team is a fucking joking tony parker was 2nd year and super inefficent, manu was a rookie, admiral was about to fucking retire. Tim duncan created that culture of winning through his selflessness and only caring about doing the right thing. hell with how abrasive pop was fucking pop needed tim more then tim needed him, any star more selfish then duncan(all of them) woulda absolutely fucking blew a gasket at pop.
The Spurs being a super competent organization is overrated. They won nothing without him. Nothing before him. Nothing after. But yeah it's always used against him, but Jimmy has Kareem and Magic, teammates, in the top 5, and no one uses that against either of them.
Those are Random list but Jimmy in order to make his point stronger want us to believe this was some consensus list. In most list Duncan was always between 6-10.
Literally every single top 20 player got great teammates/ and or great coach, kobe had shaq, bron wit his superteams, kd wit his superteams, magic & kareem, mj wit pippen, but tim duncan having tony parker & manu is 🤯🤯
@khi6894 this is such a dumb comment, he went to basketball reference, referencing stats team wins and accolades, Jimmy's point had to do with him being seen as a individually talented/skilled player playing at an elite best player in the league level as opposed to the things referenced by Solz. You both got lost in the sauce.
@@nvm8824 never got lost in anything, regardless of which point he was making it was wrong and the stats Bsolz showed backed that especially the three year stretch where he won two mvps, regardless I’m not sure why we’re acting like the stats and accolades of every player in the top ten isn’t mentioned when speaking on them, so why tf would they be excluded when talking about Tim?
@@nvm8824T5 doesn’t mean that though especially when the other players on the list r his peers, playing at the same time. If he’s saying other people putting him 5 is too high, and his point was that Duncan was never the best player in the league/most skilled, it’s moot. You don’t have to be the best player in the league at that time to crack the T5 oat.
Funny part about Ginobli at 3 I guess if you are puting him at 3 because of 2004 olympics and the 2004-2009 strech of Spurs in playoffs you could have him at 3rd that is only argument and it is bad one.
Dude made the Spurs. Took a mediocre franchise and made them respectable. Rookie headcoach Popovich should count his lucky stars he David Robinson got hurt allowing the Spurs to tank.
Jxmy did say throw all logic out the window and have a braindead discussion cause what he said in this video contradicts all that he said about Tim in the past. Its a hot take for a reason and its a bad one
@@pullupjumper7 bro cause jxmmy makes the vids good and his points are at least valid than 99% of the skip bayless, Steven A's who just say shit out of bias
why we flaming duncan for being a system guy when MJ was also💀dude has the greatest coach of all time running the triangle offense in a no-zone era... keep it consistent at least lol
@@delanotownsend8297he had the greatest coach of the 90s hands down who made one of the greatest systems every and the 1996 chicago bulls were the best supporting cast that year it’s not even close
Duncan is a top5 candidate. I think people overlook the fact he genuinely is one of the best defenders ever and could drop 25 and 13 at his peak in the 2000s aka the most inflated era ever. Stats don't tell everything. Duncan is like a modern day Bill Russell. Serial winner.
Not even a top 5 candidate. Tim Duncan won in one of the weakest eras of basketballs. He beat 8th seed knicks, nets, pistons, and baby lebron for his prime rings. Should have lost to dirk if not for injury, nash if not for the refs, and after 07 did nothing until kawhi leonard appeared lol
@FatsAldridge how u gonna tax someone for not winning back to back? Nigga, 5 championships is 5 championships, and Tim has 5 rings to Kobe's 5. He has 5 rings to Shaq's 4. He never had anything less than a 50-win season. And before 2013, he was 4-0 in the finals, with 3 finals MVPs. If it weren't for Ray Allen, Tim would've finished his career with back-to-back championships in 2013 and 2014, and he would've been 6-0 in the finals, like MJ. If it weren't for 2013, Tim Duncan would be in the Goat debate with MJ, and not Bron. So yeah, I think Modern day Bill Russel is a fair comparison
And those were never good playoff offenses led by Duncan, just because he was a lead scorer on that team doesn't make him and great offensive player, those teams he played were most defensively oriented with Bruce Bowen and David Robinson. 2002-3 Tim Duncan was a top 10 peak but mainly for defense. People really slander that team 2003 juat because Manu and Parker weren't in there prime to hype up Tim Ducan goat case which let's be honest his offense wasn't good.
They tax Tim Duncan for his coach, his teammates, and the system he was in but this doesn't happen for other guys. MJ had all the same advantages but because the offense ran through him, he gets a pass. Same with Kobe. Same with Lebron. Magic and Kareem had an insane big 3 with Worthy and Pat goddamn Riley as their coach.
Not even close. Jordan was the comp for the pistons with 3 hofs and 5+ all stars with just pippen. Jordan beat the man to be the man. Lebron had more comp than duncan ever had. The lakers with kareem didnt make the finals like david robinson, and kareem won his 2nd year in the league on his own team already... tim duncan joined an mvp with a RECENT finals appearance on a perennial 50 win team lol not even close
@@bboywolf Not only that but people are acting like having tim NOT in the top 5 as disrespect. Thats wack as jimmy said hes in 6-10 range depending on who you like.
@@bboywolf You and I both know HOF and All Star don't mean shit. Isiah and Dumars were the only threats on that team. Laimbeer was a concussion threat but thats about it.
"The Spurs werent called Tim Duncan and the Spurs" as if the show time Lakers were called The Magic Johnson and the Lakers or The Bulls were Called MJ and the Bulls ,what in the hell is this argument ? THis guy actually argued that someone in the top 10 should be 7 instead of 5 as if those spots aren't more or less debatable outside of top 3 .
Honestly 4 till 10 is honestly interchangeable depending how you argue it for example Steph tim and Kobe would likely be above shaq bird and magic if you value longevity
some of these teams had multiple names. we had "the bulls" "90s bulls" "MJ Bulls" "magic lakers" "showtime lakers" "showtime magic lakers." I've heard all of these multiple times. now as for the spurs... i've heard "Tim Duncan spurs" and i've heard "the spurs." but usually when someone is saying the first title they're referring to his earlier years.
Those "Fan Consensus" notes app top 10's from unknown sources has BY FAR gotta be one of the most unserious things I've ever seen in a Jxmmy video. Honestly baffling how he thought that was a good piece of evidence to use
Imo its hard to do Timmy any justice by looking at overall averages, even by year, because of how the spurs ran their team. You gotta go back and look at specific games/series. In '03, the lakers are coming off the three pear, and timmy gets rid of them in the semi finals on 28/12/5/1 on 53% shooting matched up against prime shaq. His second leading scorer for that series was Tony parker who averaged 15 ppg. He also held shaq to 25 ppg on 55% shooting which for that era was insane. There are some other insane playoff games where Tim has 40 points and 7 blocks. Hes one of the best playere of all time regardless of system and coaching
But that was won by the Spurs defense, Tim should get credit as a all time defender top 3 since the 3 point era, but showing box score stats as some holy grail of on court impact completely avoids the fact the peak Tim Duncan has obvious offensive limitations. When he lead the offense in 2002-3, the Spurs offensives in the playoff weren't great. They got better when Manu and Parker were at their peak.
@taptiotrevizo9415 for his era Tim had absolutely zero offensive limitations. He could take anyone on a post-up, pass out of the post as a creator, and run the pick n roll as well as anyone. In that series, he had a 120 offensive rating (highest of anyone on either team) with 31% usage as a post up power forward. Luka is at a 36% usage rate this season in a helio-centric offense. Of course, their offense got significantly better with Tony and manu at their peak. They are great players. But without them in their peak, and an old David Robinson, he beat the 3 peat lakers essentially by himself. That's the level of player he was, and that is my point. Like you said, it goes beyond the box score
@bradybimson9106 That completely forgets the "defensive" impact of Robert Hrry, Bruce Bowen, David Robinson, offensive load is much better stat for roles in a players offensive that usage rate.
The weirdest part about his takes, other than the bad Timmy Two-Fist slander, is that if LeBron stayed in miami, they would never have gotten Bam, Butler, or Adebayo. Many people forget that, on his way out, Miami was doing anything to support keeping him, like drafting Shabazz Napier off of his recommendation. Had he stayed, Wade doesn't go to Chicago, meaning Jimmy doesn't get to reference talking to Wade as one of his core reasons to want to go to Miami. All the while the Heat would win more regular season games and potentially lose out on the pieces they were lucky enough to draft at that time. It was weird that his "gut feeling" takes were THAT ass lol
If Duncan can’t be top 5 then why should we put Kobe in there? I don’t even have Duncan in my top 5 but he has a case over anybody not named MJ, LeBron or Kareem.
Kobe was better than Tim Duncan when they were both at their best so that’s how you make that argument. Peak>longevity and they both have both. Either can be argued tbh
He has a decent case over Lebron and Kareem, and a pretty weak but still existent case over MJ. Personally I have him tied with Lebron for #2/3 all time. I can’t separate the two of them.
@@RemyKingKen Tim Duncan ‘03 season is arguably better than any Kobe season. One of the all time carry jobs in NBA history and beat a Prime Shaq AND Prime Kobe en route to a championship. Plus was MVP.
People said this about Brady for YEARS until he finally won in Tampa Bay where people realized it was him not Belichick. Duncan just never left San Antonio
I still don't get how the Lakers freaking did a Psuedo Rebuild after winning that 2020 Bubble Championship. They had a lot thing that help them win that championship. They had Size, Floor spacing, Defense and awesome team Chemistry. It blows my mind how they fcked that up.
You also gotta remember that the 2020 championship was older than most teams and didn’t wanna pay any player above 30 any real solid deals. They were aiming to grab younger players
@@hybui123that still doesn't make any sense. They didn't wanna pay the vets but were willing to take on Russ's contract??? Besides, they already had young guys on that roster like Kuzma and Caruso, both of whom played major roles in the 2020 team and would go on to be good players in their own right on other teams. A lot of the guys they picked up for the 2021 and 2022 seasons were also vets so your whole point doesn't make any sense. Why can't Bron fans just acknowledge that he screwed that up big time? No, it was not Rob Pelinka or Jeanie Buss's fault, they were just following what LeBron wanted and you know that.
Duncan WAS the spurs. The same way people see the Patriots' fall off after Brady left, Spurs went on record losing streaks and can't rebuild for shit now. But that staff is still the same and they have one of the best future stars in the league. They also couldn't get anything out of Kawhi or DDR anymore. Pop greatest coach ever? Duncan merchant.
Duncan was given a lot of hate around 2014-2016 don’t forget. He was slower and old and was low on the list compared to Kobe. Maybe not 15, but around 10 for sure
He's the Tom Brady of the NBA. He could've acted like a diva and in turn ruin the entire team but he bought in to Pop's vision and made sure everyone else followed.
Until they adapted to a more euro style in the late 00s when parker and ginobili really came into their own, spurs offense was get the ball to duncan or put him in an action then create off that, the defence was run the shooters baseline into duncan or the admiral. Pop is an all time great, but he really didn't have to do much until their 4th and 5th rings in terms of really introducing a certain play style. The reason they had the boring tag was 1. they played in san antonio and 2. their offense and defence was very 1 track and stagnant. They suffocated teams, pop's flowers come in when they started just blowing teams off the floor with a more euro influenced style with parker at the helm.
None of the players in spurs that played with Tim are top 30 only one that arguably was is Robinson and he was old with injuries when Tim came. Spurs before Tim tell me it was a winning organization with talent that had a good team , yes of course it was not the case . Pops was a rookie coach and what help he got bunch of rookies ??? The system made him great what system Tim was the system he was the one that made it a winning team .
I agree with the corner three take, cos when I start practicing my threes it was the most intimidating spot on the floor. Now that I’m a shooter it’s not that intimidating but that’s only because I made it a point to be good at threes especially from the corner cos it was the most difficult
NGL if we're just looking at rookie season, its still hard to not take Jordan. Coming into the league averaging almost 30 on 56 TSP and an already elite perimiter defender averaging over 2 steals a game is INSANE!
Also I hate this notion that "yeah but Kobe/Shaq beat Duncan a lot" yeah man. Please tell me who else on the Spurs in that era matched up to Kobe. Not even a prime Manu/Parker was anywhere close to young Kobe. And this is me being a massive Kobe hater. Also Jmxy wants to talk about the "amazing legacy of Poppovich" when the dude hasn't won shit before or after Duncan left. Also, it's not like the Lakers had a trash head coach with Kobe/Shaq. They had arguably the GOAT coach. If Duncan was in the Eastern Conference instead of Western Conference, we could easily be having a conversation where Duncan has 4-6 rings and 8-10 trips to the finals. Duncan conversation gets me so heated and I'm not even a Duncan guy, but to deny how great he was is infuriating.
That' a valid comment, in context. At that time, Duncan couldn't really beat Shaq, the Suns couldn't overcome Duncan, but somehow the Suns had the Laker's number. Everyone tries to make everything either A or B, when in fact it is virtually never that cut and dried.
I want to point out, when he was showing the top 10 lists from 2015-16 & 2023-24. Look at where kobe ranked before and after. I've said this all along that people ranked kobe WAYYYYYYY higher after he was gone. And kobe has always been significantly more popular than duncan. But now I'm seeing some people put kobe as high as #3 or #2😂. But duncan & Shaq > Kobe all time.
Truth is nothing has ever changed Kobe was always in people top 5 and 3 I only seen him get took out when he died because all of a sudden “ people overrate him after his death” wasn’t even a day before people started saying he was overrated idk who started the movement and gas lighted the world but when people say that that shit is no where near true
You’re point is disproven by the chart, Kobe was ranked at the highest 5 one time by one person. While he was actually playing people said he was at the time the 2nd best player ever witnessed and even after lebron started winning people had him at top 3. He fell back after his death(also strangely enough the better someone was at basketball the more they died on that Kobe’s the best hill-my experience)
The thing with the Wemby take is you gotta take into consideration the era that you're going to be going forward. If it is today's basketball, then yeah, Wembanyama is the clear cut choice for pretty much every reason Jxmy said in the video. HOWEVER, if we're going to play in the 90s, where there's two guys in the post, where the game is way more physical, where most possessions will be at the post, where there's no double team, where there is no zone, there's no way it isn't Wilt Chamberlain or Shaquille O'Neal.
That whole Lebron take might be the worst thing I’ve ever heard. If Bron stayed in Miami, they probably wouldn’t trade for Jimmy and drafted Bam or Herro is REACHING😂 Bron has carried 2 of the WORST teams ever to the finals. Also, are we gonna hold Curry to the same standard? Won unambiguous mvp, went 73-9, then blew a 3-1 to a much worst team? Then getting KD.😂
I'm not taking sides in the overall argument, but you, and everyone else, are just mindless to actual facts. The Warriors had a 3-1 lead......until Andrew Bogut got injured. At that point, the Warriors were just too small to beat LBJ/Love/Thompson. Just like the previous season when LBJ had the 3-1 lead when Love got injured. At that point, the Cavs just didn't have enough offense to beat Steph/Klay/Dray/Livingston. TAT (Total Available Talent) wins games. When a team loses a top contributor, that's not "blowing a lead". That's sports.
Bro a 38 year old Tim Duncan beat prime lebron, lebron couldn’t even win with a 38 year old Shaq, Shaq was “too old” and was formerly the most dominant big man ever, but Tim Duncan can’t get no praise? It’s crazy. With a take like this honestly it paves the way for people to start saying Shaq was overrated.
sorry but the spurs were known to have the best team basketball in the league. they had other great players like manu and parker and always a deep bench. No one would even argue if duncan was better then kobe or shaq. No one talked about duncan being the best in the league was a kid during that time but I would remember if duncan was praised like that
@@DD-rk6kn Duncan is literally considered the greatest power forward of all time along with having one of the best basketball résumé’s there is. I didn’t start watching the nba till 2011 I was a kid as well. The difference is I can respect greatness when I see it, people don’t praise fundamentals anymore when it’s the fundamentals that matters the most. There was a report that they had to teach bigs nowadays how to properly set a screen, their literally in the nba not knowing how to set a screen but todays game is better? What a joke.
Bsolz hung up on the Tim Duncan at 15 comment. All jimmy said was that he ain’t top 5. He said that he’s seen Tim Duncan rated as low as 15. Not that he’s jimmys 15th ranked player. Jimmy even said that he has him at 6 to 8 range.
On your point about MJ. I’m glad you bring that up because people who didn’t watch MJ seem to think he was Kobe Bryant. Like don’t get me wrong he’s the best shot creator in NBS history. But he always scored within the flow of the triangle offense. All of his success was within the system that Phil Jackson built. Now, he’s still the goat. But if we’re gonna dock Duncan for winning with Pop we have to dock MJ and Kobe for when they won with Jackson. We probably also want to Magic and Kareem and Bill and wilt and before you know it. The greatest players of all time will be Hakeem.
Dude, there was no "triangle" offense. It was the NBA telling the refs "nobody touches Mike" as the Bulls won six championships while playing absolutely NOBODY. MJ, Shaq/Kobe needed the refs to get all those championships AGAINST SUBSTANDARD COMPETITION. MJ's championships came as the EC was absolutely putrid, the refs wouldn't let anyone even attempt to guard Mike, and their finals championships were against Utah (twice), an age-out AND injured Laker's team, Seattle, Phoenix, and Portland. NONE of those teams will ever be confused with top 80 teams.
If Tim Duncan had beaten LeBron both times he would be 6-0 in the finals, and have the EXACT same finals playoff record as Michael Jordan, however going 5-1 is pretty damn good anyway. He already has more wins in just the playoffs as a whole (having made all but one year during his career), the highest win% in NBA history and by a LOT, as well as the most all defensive team selections of all time, and has the same amount of all NBA selections, both being 15 times, 2 regular season MVPs and RoY (that one doesn't really mean shit but he did it). He has all the same arguments the other top 5 candidate rotation has as well as things they each don't have. One more ring than Shaq with just as many Finals MVPs, Same amount of rings as Kobe but with 1 more Finals MVP (also has one more regular season MVP than they do). He has a better Finals record than Magic with the same amount of rings and on top of that has the same argument of "being one of the greatest from the start", and that two-way impact everyone loves. so you can argue he's 3rd but bare minimum he does not go below 5, and I care more about complete body of work than "peaks" but Tim peaked pretty damn high himself regardless. If he got that 2nd win over the Heat and Allen didn't hit that shot then that would bump LeBron out of the GOAT conversation and put Tim on even footing to Jordan, I know that's hypothetical but the fact he got that close is crazy.
Y’all got to realize he meant to drop this on April fools day. ( I have no idea it makes 0 sense for someone who has so much smarts to make an objectively terrible take about Duncan)
I'm so fkng mad at people dissing players from the 60s Celtics. ALL talent in the LEAGUE, not only in Celtics, were in fewer teams, means it was like playoffs finals every fkng playoff series. And the Celtics won a lot of Chips in damn game 7. It was just that they were better, and they happened to have the best leader, the best WINNER and by far, which means, simply, the best player ever in Bill Russell. Fkng deal with it and stop the excuses. Is Russell, then you can argue. And both MJ and Kareem are not to be argued below LeBron. Change these damn stupid top 10s. Stop evaluating loosing fr.
Duncan didn't "sacrifice" anything. He, and his team, were at their best when Timmy D could play at Timmy's optimal pace, which was all the time because the Spur's front office brought in congruent talent. And you thinking he could average more, or that he would even try to average more, is just a brain dead take originating from today's artificially manufactured high-scoring league. Duncan was like Bird, meaning that when he HAD to average more than his organic pace, it took him totally out of his game. That's one of the main issues with today's league. Even though there is ever only one winner and one loser each game, somehow people think that "scoring more", even if that goal completely ruins a team that has to play out of it's optimal style to get those artificially high numbers, is going to result in more victories. The 80's Lakers and the 2010's Warriors weren't playing at an average pace and then decided if they tried to score more that they would be better. Those teams were built to ORGANICALLY play well at that pace, from day one. Teams play their best when the play at the pace and style that suits their overall player composition. Teams not built to play well at the pace of the 80's Lakers and modern Warriors, don't end up challenging those teams, they just fall apart internally when they try to force the issue. Duncan (and Bird) were great because they played well at their optimal team pace, and it was virtually impossible to take them off that pace. It's the same as everyone thinking that MJ would average 50 points in today's NBA, when in fact the Bulls PURPOSEFULLY played at a snail's pace because in an 80 point game, MJ's 36 points were huge, and at that SLOW pace, MJ could play every game and average a high scoring output. Make that Bulls team play in today's NBA, with the league mandated accelerated pace of play, and they would fall apart, UNLESS they could impose their will and FORCE the game to still be played at a snail's pace. It's the exact same as if Curry had to play in MJ's era and was not allowed to shoot from range at volume. In that scenario, Steph would just be Mark Price, which is borderline great, but not at GOAT level. The "stars" obviously have talent, but to excel they must be in a situation that matches their talent. Thus, circling back to Duncan, he played at his, and his team's optimal pace and style, and it was extremely difficult to take them off that pace. "Statistics" can be manipulated by league rules and are also largely dependent on the overall talent, size, and congruency, of the roster. The "great" ones don't get it done by adapting to the opposition, they are great because they do impose their will because they refuse to be taken out of their game. "More" is not necessarily better, but "optimal" is, well, optimal.
so apparently Lakers not wanting to pay Caruso and Dwight is LeBron's fault? and him leaving the Cavs in 2018 is bad? like that JxmyHighroller was hurt cause of "we done with the 90's".
The Tim Duncan take might be the worst he's ever made. This what i be saying about these Lebron fans. Anytime a great player, beats Lebron in the finals, they gotta start hating.
I’ve never seen anyone have Duncan outside the top 10. I have him personally at 6, basically tied with Kobe and Shaq. It’s also funny that he’s arguing Duncan benefited from an amazing coach and front office, which is true, and thats the exact same argument against Magic Johnson, and Jordan, who had Phil Jackson and Krause who continuously made the right moves. Only difference is Duncan got lucky right away, like Magic getting drafted to a team with multiple hall of famers and an MVP. Same with Kobe. It’s also not a coincidence that Kobe’s best statistical years were his worst in terms of winning
You know you're good when your kicking everyone's a$$ but nobody really understands that you're kicking their a$$! Even to this day, as this thread exposes, people don't realize how good Duncan was.
The craziest part is that if Timmy took 4 more shots a game and put up 29, 28, 27, and 26 point seasons we DEFINITELY wouldn't be having this conversation. Like, legitimately, if the Spurs had a year where Tim got to jack the ball up 27 times a game averaged 32-34 points per game, and the Spurs barely squeaked into the playoffs on 48 wins before getting gentleman's swept in the first round with him averaging 40 points per game in that series, or absolutely would've helped his legacy in the eyes of casuals.
running straight to basketball reference to settle individual player debates is why we have more shows like first take and less jj reddick style podcasts.
Another thing that makes Jimmy’s take so bad is that he acknowledges Tim Duncan as the best power forward of all time despite being on a franchise like the Spurs are/were, but use that same renowned franchise’s success with him as making Duncan overrated.
Saying mj is defined by the 90s is insane, he set most of his records in the 80s and won rings in the 90s. Without 80s there is no rookie of the year on his resume, no dpoy, one less mvp, no 63 point playoff game etc
What you’re talking about with the Warriors and that just “give them the chip” feeling was absolutely true for the ‘96 bulls. Same feeling for early 2000s Lakers. Not saying anything about who’s better, just saying that’s not the best argument
Jimmy literally said in the beginning of the video that he was throwing logic in the garbage and giving hot takes yet people are surprised that his takes weren’t extremely thought out and well researched. Like what did you expect
If Pachulla hadn't stepped under Kawhi and basically ended his superstar career, the Spurs would have taken out the Warriors in their first big season, and you would have basically never heard of the Warriors ever again as their "mystic" would have been permanently squashed before ever getting started. Prior to that play, the Spurs had a 28 point lead in game one of that series, and it was obvious that the Warriors could not overcome that Spurs team. Aging Bogut and Dray couldn't take Duncan, and thus the Spurs, out of their game, and no one on the Warriors could stop Kawhi. That play changed league history as the Spurs were in the process of disposing of "small ball" and either Duncan/Kawhi or LBJ would have added to their championship accolades while the Warriors would have been a forgotten team.
Kyrie left Cleveland because of LeBron. Lebron tried to trade him after the championship for CP3, and in the next season tried to trade him for Paul George. And would not commit to a extension in Cleveland for the long time.
You wanted to skip to the end of the warrior regular season because you hated them and KD especailly. Nobody hated the 96 bulls, but it was even more inevitable. Not to mention, I think the 96 bulls are perfectly built defensively to stop the Warriors. 3 of the top ten defenders of all time and they're all lanky as fuck and can guard the perimeter.
27:23 No mention of Magic Johnson. I know we are talking about stats, but if the argument that Jimmy is using is that Wemby’s poise and discipline and readiness matter as intangibles; look no further than the guy who won FMVP as a rookie.
Ummm. I'm pretty sure that if Wemby, as a rookie, would have joined Kareem/Nixon/Wilkes, he would have produced similar results as Magic Johnson in his first season. Conversely, had Magic joined a Laker's team with the talent level of this Spurs team, while the front office was still actively tanking that Laker's team in Magic's first season, the won/lost records of those two teams would have predictably switched.
The 2017 warriors were gonna lose to the Leonard spurs. Spurs won the season series, and were up by more than 20 in the 3rd. Then ZAZA Cheapshotted, and the Klaw era was over in SA
Did you really just say MJ's GOAT debate is based nearly solely on the 90-98 stretch? Come on Bsolz, you know that isn't true. Barkley said everyone in the league knew he was the best player in the league by his sophmore year and was already setting records before the 90's ever hit.
How come you didn't mention Magics rookie season? The guy won finals MVP in his first year. Plus 18, 7.7, 7.3 to boot isn't bad; rookie point guards normally struggle more than most positions.
Kobe said during the spurs 14 championsbip run that he was pissed that Duncan was still playing for championships while he wasnt but it was said in admiration of timmy
That 2017 and 2018 warriors and couldve been the 2019 warriors was exactly that bsolz. It was just end the season already. Most miserable years watching as a basketball fan, and i truly feel like all the NBA fans who had sense knew that it was the warriors winning it all those years before the season even started.
I think the corner 3 is a better shot simply do to spacing and spreading the defense which is harder to do at the top of the key because of having to worry about help defense on the both sides.
I do believe his Tim Duncan take is bad, but I do also remember that he said himself that for these fakes he is not using much logic or reasoning that he usually uses when regarding takes
The commenters are dumb. Jxmy knows that these are hot takes. He said that he didn’t do proper research literally in the video. He confirmed that he had bias and had weak arguments. Some people are unable to understand that he did this video to show his hot takes. Bruh
As a D Rose fan, with him being the reason I love ball, if the Bulls got Bron and Melo that would have been the greatest scoring team in history. Wade/Bosh would have had worse longevity, Bron could play the 2 or 4 and Melo at the 3 would be such an elite team.
