Tim Keller - The Theology of the Cross and Walking with a Limp 

I do know that.

Wonderful message

He said there was a prophecy. See Gen 25:22-23

Floating up into space was not stated. He ascended into heaven, basically transformed to enter the heavenly realm.

@@iain5615 How does "ascended into heaven" look different from floating up into space? Is heaven up? And on which side of the earth?

@@iain5615 Here's an animation elaborating a bit more on this. Ode to Yahweh (with NonStampCollector) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sT4Sn8T4-rM.html&feature=em-subs_digest

@@zach2980 floating up into space means going higher and higher at a slow speed in an uncontrolled ascent (buffeted by winds and not holding one position) until he disappears as a speck and carries on rising for miles more unril finally reaching space. The bible states he ascended into heaven standing until finally disappearing in a cloud before two angels appeared. Slightly different as it describes controlled ascent to the clouds which has biblical meaning within Daniel. It was at Jerusalem from Mount Olive.

@@iain5615 :), Well that explains it, totally different indeed. Pardon my sarcasm. Here's a thought, if in twenty years 2/3 of theists are Muslim and in a bid to maintain homogeneity it's claimed that a text is discovered whereby upon arrival Jesus disappeared into the cloud to be met with Muhammad and then under cloud cover horse-pooled on up to heaven. And that the great theological minds e.g. Keller, John Piper, Pope Pedofile Coverupper Whoever, P. Robertson, Osteen, Rick Warren, etc. convened to conclude that's it's legit. Would that make it true? Such is the case with the current gospels, 4 of many that were chosen from.

Well, I'm not sure about that. You have to remember that Joseph was the kind of guy that would brag about his prophetic dreams to his family despite the fact that those dreams were about them submitting to him. That's pretty arrogant.

Hey, Lou, you have picked up on a "schism" in the church. I was raised in the more common Bible Belt church where I was taught that Joseph was an image of Christ and his humility. He was a precursor to the Suffering Servant who would redeem his people. So, this was my upbringing as to the kind of person Joseph was. Imagine my shock when I was exposed to the Reformed idea of Joseph as this arrogant figure. Could this be the real Joseph? Had I been taught wrong all these years? After careful study, I have come to conclude that neither is right. It is not one extreme or the other. The truth is that Joseph is human and acts that way sometimes. Sometimes, he acts like Christ. But, I don't think he can be classified as strictly arrogant or strictly Divine. But, still, to this day, I can go into these two great church traditions and get two different takes. I do think it be more accurate to skuttle our biases and let the scriptures speak for themselves and reserve our judgements. Let the story speak for itself.