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Tim Palmer: The Primacy of Doubt 

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Tim Palmer graduated from Oxford with a PhD in mathematical physics, working on general relativity, and got a postdoc to work with Stephen Hawking. He turned it down and moved into the field of meteorology, and then moved on to Climate Change studies, where he pioneered the development of what is called ‘ensemble forecasting’ to predict both long term climate change, as well as short term weather predictions. This technique has now become a standard in the field, and is necessary to properly account for possible chaotic behavior in atmospheric systems.
Even simple classical systems can be chaotic-implying that even minute changes in initial conditions can sometimes produce dramatic variations in their later evolution. The canonical hyperbolic example is a butterfly flapping its wings in Kansas might later cause a violent storm on the Eastern Seaboard.
On first glance, it may seem that this would imply all predictivity must go out the window, but over the past 40 years techniques have been developed for dealing with the so-called ‘fractal’ distributions that often result from chaotic dynamics, and as a result, it has become possible to constrain the range of possible long term outcomes of chaotic behavior.
Tim Palmer has recently written a new book, entitled The Primacy of Doubt, which provides a wonderful discussion about the importance of accounting for doubt and uncertainty in a wide variety of systems, from weather to medicine, and even includes discussions of there possible implications of his ideas for the fundamentals of quantum mechanics and gravity. While I am more skeptical of his nevertheless intriguing latter arguments, Tim and I had a fascinating and informative discussion about his own experiences as a scientist, and the importance of explicitly incorporating a range of initial conditions when exploring weather and climate predictions.
For many people, uncertainty is something to be avoided, but in physics, uncertainty is an inherent part of our understanding of the world, and it must be faced head-on. Being able to make quantitative predictions with likelihoods that have meaning requires it, and science is the only area of human inquiry where we can state with great quantitative accuracy what the likelihood is that a given prediction will be correct. This is a triumph of the scientific process and deserves to be better understood. In this regard, there are fewer better guides than Tim Palmer, and it was a delight to spend time with him on this podcast, which will enlighten and entertain.
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The Origins Podcast, a production of The Origins Project Foundation, features in-depth conversations with some of the most interesting people in the world about the issues that impact all of us in the 21st century. Host, theoretical physicist, lecturer, and author, Lawrence M. Krauss, will be joined by guests from a wide range of fields, including science, the arts, and journalism. The topics discussed on The Origins Podcast reflect the full range of the human experience - exploring science and culture in a way that seeks to entertain, educate, and inspire.
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Комментарии : 55   
@Deepak-vc8gd
@Deepak-vc8gd Год назад
Would be nice hear more from the guest, that apart love the podcast.
@JamesFitzgerald
@JamesFitzgerald Год назад
L. talks way too much.
@EmergentUniverse
@EmergentUniverse Год назад
Lawrence is awesome, but he gets so excited that he asks these long and winding questions and the interlocutor can hardly get a word in edge wise.
@JamesFitzgerald
@JamesFitzgerald Год назад
Yes. Very annoying.
@VaughanMcCue
@VaughanMcCue Год назад
@@JamesFitzgerald Sounds like me and the rest of us.
@paultaylor7947
@paultaylor7947 Год назад
As we are due some extreme typhoon or something i dont think any knowledge of it and its damaging effects will alter this fact
@robertjulianoph.d.1423
@robertjulianoph.d.1423 Год назад
While I like this podcast very much and this episode in particular was of high quality, I think it is essential that the guest does most of the talking. In this case, an important part of this episode was Dr. Tim Palmer's recently published book "The Primacy of Doubt: From Quantum Physics to Climate Change, How the Science of Uncertainty Can Help Us Understand Our Chaotic World." I think it would have been better for Dr. Palmer to offer his own views on a number of the (introductory/motivating) explanations given by the host as well as to have some input on the direction the discussions took.
@techteampxla2950
@techteampxla2950 9 месяцев назад
I first saw Dr.Palm with TimMau a few weeks ago. Huge fan now , thank your for expanding my mind to actually understand the significance of “The moons of Jupiter”. Thanks for the great talk gents !!!
@maxwelldillon4805
@maxwelldillon4805 Год назад
Palmer's strangely unpopular advocacy of determinism is refreshing.
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas Год назад
37:00 i was living in 'the avenue' surbiton (kingston, south london, uk) at the time - famous for a tv series called "the good life" about self sufficiency. several cars were crushed by trees just in that street, i remember watching silver birches in the house opposite swaying like palm trees in a hurricane the night before.
@alovelytime
@alovelytime Год назад
why doesnt Krauss allow the guest to speak?
@Clem62
@Clem62 Год назад
Very frustrating for sure.
@karagi101
@karagi101 Год назад
He gets a bit excited and takes too long to make his point before letting the guest speak. He knows he does that.
@larsp3280
@larsp3280 Год назад
He's taking interviewing lessons from Sam harris.
@missshroom5512
@missshroom5512 Год назад
I want to know what kinda of moisturizer he uses….68🤔
@Clem62
@Clem62 Год назад
@Reckless Abandon Canadian
@bkbland1626
@bkbland1626 Год назад
Dr Lawrence! Dig it. Thanks
@rickdynes
@rickdynes Год назад
LOVE this Channel 💗
@isaiasferrer932
@isaiasferrer932 Год назад
Amazing interview.
@TheWorldTeacher
@TheWorldTeacher Год назад
😇🇵🇭 Greetings from Manila, Everyone! 🇵🇭😇
@galaxiehubba
@galaxiehubba Год назад
always enjoy listening sir!
@syedalishanzaidi1
@syedalishanzaidi1 Год назад
Like so many other people who are fans of Dr. Krauss have commented, I too would have liked for him to speak less and ask questions that would allow the interviewee to speak. Otherwise why have them on the show? Why interview them at all?
@paultaylor7947
@paultaylor7947 Год назад
I am more interested in the sum total instead of the world through the lense of a microscope
@katttok
@katttok Год назад
thanks for this recommendation! I probably wouldn't have known about the book if it wasn't for the Origins podcast. now I've read the book and I was even lucky enough to see Tim Palmer's lecture at the Royal Institution :)) (I wish I could also attend a Lawrence Krauss event someday ^^) the book definitely introduced me to some new interesting ideas. We are going to discuss the intrinsic intermittent unpredictability of some processes at our meetup soon. I must say, I have some doubts about presenting the Invariant Set theory in a popular book. This is way too technical for the general reader, like me. In this case, I feel that it would be better to first reach a greater consensus among professionals on a new groundbreaking theory.
@GMC2001
@GMC2001 Год назад
Is it possible that the three body problem on a universal scale could account for the fact that matter and anti matter did not destroy one another at the big bang?
@zebmason6530
@zebmason6530 2 месяца назад
Seven Oaks became Three or Four Oaks not No Oaks. There are a couple of errors in the pandemic chapter. The R is SIR does not include dead - at least as far as the standard SIR model and lots of others are concerned. If exponential growth were rapid I would be very happy with the balance of my savings account. Exponential growth of epidemics was debunked by Farr in 1840. In 1927 Kermack and McKendrick showed it to be logistic growth.
@hopfou
@hopfou Год назад
If only guests were actually allowed to talk in Krauss's self-absorbed monologue podcast..
@karlgoebeler1500
@karlgoebeler1500 Год назад
Sssshhhhhhh Ears are sensitive with the "Game of One upmanship".
@aminam9201
@aminam9201 Год назад
Uncertainty! what will happen if humans survived for the next thousands of years and figured out how to control uncertainty in both weather forecasting and quantum mechanics? will they keep the same understanding of so-called uncertainty?!
@JRH2109
@JRH2109 Год назад
Why can't he just let his guests talk?
@AmirBozorgmagham
@AmirBozorgmagham 7 месяцев назад
I wish the facilitator talks less and gives the time to Tim to tell more.
@iggymendelson1626
@iggymendelson1626 Год назад
One man show. Why had the guest even been invited if he couldn’t speak?
@nedkelly8167
@nedkelly8167 Год назад
interviewer > 90% of talking time, interviewee < 10% of talking time !!
@ZambeziKid
@ZambeziKid Год назад
So difficult to parse what LK says w all his stuttering and repeating of half finished sentences. Am sure the show would have been over in 30 minutes if only he could spit his words out.
@SimonJackson13
@SimonJackson13 Год назад
Compartmentalized control for steady unrevolutionary profit. See HR. :D
@erinm1218
@erinm1218 Год назад
I think more and more advances in science will come from cross-discipline collaborations
@PGB55
@PGB55 Год назад
Lawrence, we like you a lot, now be quiet.
@BrianBattles
@BrianBattles Год назад
Palmer was great with Michael Shermer. But scientists are not usually the best hosts/interviewers, they love to talk too much....
@MichaelJamesAuthor
@MichaelJamesAuthor 11 месяцев назад
LESS QUANTUM.....More Chaos.....Lawrence - again you talk too much.
@99guspuppet8
@99guspuppet8 Год назад
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ talk talk talk talk talk guess who is in love with their own narcissistic output ❤❤❤❤❤
@aminam9201
@aminam9201 Год назад
Science is the only way to reach the truth, but be open-minded to change and improve your approach not to make something similar to gang in the field of science.that cares about its own interests not in science itself.
@VaughanMcCue
@VaughanMcCue Год назад
I get my divine inspiration from Zeus and regular recaffeination.
@walterdryja5201
@walterdryja5201 Год назад
Lawrence is a WEIRDO
@patrickhorgan8389
@patrickhorgan8389 Год назад
He's not at all weird. He's just uber verbal. Can't help himself. Shame, he needs to manage himself better and be much more accommodating to his guest.
@HeyItsKora
@HeyItsKora Год назад
I adore Lawrence and could listen to just him talking for hours, but I felt awkward for Tim. Lawrence took up 90% of the speaking time, he kept just reading Tim’s book back to him and telling Tim his own beliefs/opinions. Lawrence shouldn’t be telling the audience Tim’s thoughts, he should be asking tim the right questions for him to tell us in his own words. I felt Tim get kind of frustrated after a while… “right. Hmm. Yeah. Right. Right. Right, right. Yeah. Hmm” just so awkward
@roccococolombo2044
@roccococolombo2044 Год назад
Let your guest talk. Stop interrupting.
@BertWald-wp9pz
@BertWald-wp9pz Год назад
Fascinating that Tim seems to be drilling down into casualty.
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