I was sick as a rabid dog on my day off/last night after 6 shitty days at work in a row. This was very comforting to me while I was stuck in bed in terrible pain. This is up there with your tenet and lost video as some of my favorite videos I’ve seen on RU-vid this year. Great media analysis with a light touch, nice vibes and immaculate editing. You’re a real hidden gem bro.
Production quality of this video is on par with channels that have millions of subscribers. I was actually surprised when i saw the subscriber number for this channel. I give it a year before you guys blow up
I think it's worth noting that the ape council in the first Planet of the Apes aren't just stupid, they're as stupid as we are. We're supposed to see reflections of our own Cold War society, blindly ignoring the threats staring them in the face (nuclear weaponry) and the injustices of their society (the mistreatment of humans; after all, the film was released merely a month after MLK's death). The second film states unequivocally that this is where that path leads, even for the ape society of the far future after we all but destroyed ourselves. However, I completely agree that having the 5th film in the series respond to it and ask how we avoid that path is a brilliant way to turn. It also makes a great move by suggesting those two are one and the same - Caesar building an equal society of apes and humans is also how we avoid the horrors of nuclear armageddon. Quite a statement for its time.
Well this is awkward… you just raised #2 up like 50 points in my book 😂 That actually makes a ton of sense that we have to see how bad it COULD end before showing how good it CAN end. 👏🏻 #1 is probably enough to serve that purpose, but I have more respect for 2 now. I also think it only serves that purpose when considering the whole series. On its own it really just serves as an (arguably) more severe warning of nuclear war than the previous movie.
The prosthetic designs always look so great. It's still recognizable as a monkey, but it's different enough that they really look like a separate subspecies
The original movie was before my time but I do think I saw it as a kid, unspoiled. As I recall, "Is this Earth?" seemed like a reasonable debate until the ending knocked Heston out of denial. I saw it not as a shocking twist, but rather the nail in the coffin.
My favourite part of Rise reusing the same line from the original isn’t the reference itself but that it acts as a sort of response to it. The human says the line, and Caesar defies the expectation. They don’t just make the ape say the line to reverse the roles, but the moment still tips the scales away from the dominant species. It’s a turning point, and from that moment in both movies, events start to happen that causes the ones with power to slowly lose it.
Okay guys we need to band together and comment, reply to comments, like the video and the comments because he is getting seriously screwed by the algorithm
Such crazy good production quality and hilarious sense of humor. I very rarely watch RU-vid videos this long but it flew by. Keep it up! You’re gonna pop off
I keep returning to this video. It’s such great quality from such an unknown / early stage channel. You and anyone that assists in the creation of your content have hit the ground running and I can’t stress enough how much I hope this grows for you. Hats off
What a great video all the way through! This entire baby was funny from top to bottom, entertaining from front to back, and the music throughout just killed. KILLED. Sonic 2 Chemical Zone, Star Fox 1 on the SNES, Final Fantasy 3/6, the first TMNT game on the NES, I mean daaamn. Also, gotta appreciate how this bad boy was smart but not pretentious which could be said for the entire catalogue on the channel. I thoroughly enjoyed this one, hell yeah! I'm all pumped up but gotta go to sleep lol shit.
Thank you so much for saying that man, music to my ears ⭐️☺️ Really glad you enjoyed hearing the tracks, I enjoyed picking them out. I especially love when I manage to find a moment that really just meshes with a song.
@@nostalgiaclive I actually just gave it a listen and it's surprisingly beautiful/very spacey-sounding. Perhaps I can turn you on to some sweet SNES music! U.N. Squadron has an incredible soundtrack, and the mission 7 MINKS track specifically is a banger. The game kicks as, too lol.
I feel like Maurice being smart before the virus drug makes a lot of sense because orangutans learn through observation, and if he was raised by a human before being put in the shelter, it would’ve given him more time to learn not to mention that there are gorillas who have been able to learn sign
Found this channel when you dropped the Tenet retrospective.... then the Lost one upped the absurdism and this one HUGE joy. Keep 'em coming. I think this might actually be the top pop culture essay channel thingy right now on RU-vid. *rapid non-rhythmic overly loud hand clapping from me*
@@nostalgiaclive I thank you sir. However I’m worried we might have the same taste in radioactive telepathic mutant ladies. We must never go on a guys weekend break in case we end up falling out with each other.
@@nostalgiaclive okay. Tell you what, shall we just try this weekend break anyway. Let’s just agree that if we do end up in a subterranean bomb cave having a telepathic chat with a double skinned gorgeous mutant, then we must promise to at least fight to the death using rubber props before asking her to go watch the next Planet of the Apes film with us/you/me. Deal?!
Haha thank you my man! Always gotta have at least a few MGS tracks in there. Metal Gear 2 also has some bangers. Any songs from the series you recommend?
I watched the first Planet of the Apes film without knowing the twist at the end. I did pickup on the obvious clues, but I just assumed it was them being limited to the technology of the times, so they couldn't create a foreign planet according to their vision, rather than it actually being earth. When the twist validated my unsure suspicions, I was incredibly satisfied.
Love the whole video I wish I would've seen this before I just saw kingdom. Also wanted to say the sonic hydrocity zone music is awesome to hear in your video and perfectly used.
Holy shit this channel is underrated. I’ve been sharing your videos to my friends in hopes of you popping off. Your comedic timing is hilarious man. Love that paired with your film knowledge.
Taylor's not that dumb; he's thrown off from thinking he's on earth by the stars/planets being different, thunder/lightning w no rain during daylight, etc these things lead him to believe he's somewhere else other than earth. The biggest tell is that they speak English - A thing that was addressed in an earlier script, but then dropped, hoping we would just go along with it.
I think my favourite part of this video is that Battle actually gets highlighted for it’s good points rather than being dismissed for it’s budget and performance alone. Especially the butterfly effect from Caesar leading the uprising and showing mercy may have changed the world for the better, rather than being stuck in a doomed time loop condemned to repeat the same mistakes over and over. (Also, how do orangutans become blonde?)
Thanks for doing this. It was awesome and a LOT of fun. I loved the original apes films as a kid, but the only one I revisit is the first one, which I still consider a ground-breaking classic. I was so pumped for the Tim Burton film, and made sure my friends, who knew nothing of the originals, knew it. Boy, was I embarrassed and disappointed when I left the theater. I was VERY skeptical before 'Rise' was released, but so happy it was great, and the entire Caesar trilogy got better with each film, IMO. One of the best modern trilogies. Saw 'Kingdom' over the weekend. It looked remarkable. The effects are leaps better than even the last one. I didn't connect with any of the characters, though. It wasn't bad, but I'm not eager to re-watch it. I'm not exactly sure where the story is going at this point.
Thank you for watching! That’s great, I had a similar relationship to the series except I never saw any of the original sequels until I was an adult. I think I was enamored by 2001 for awhile before I started to see the cracks. And I completely agree about Kingdom. Looks fantastic and I like a lot of the performances, but just didn’t do much for me in the long run. Did not have the depth of the first three.
Maurice actually goes from broken sentences to more elaborate sign language post smart smoke. Pretty sure "no like smart ape" to "the humans don't like smart apes, makes them feel threatened"
Maurice is speaking essentially perfect ASL from the start, which doesn't use articles the way English does. So "Human no like smart ape" is a complete sentence. To subtitle ASL to broken English like that would be incorrect, so it implies he has a low understanding of grammar. But regardless, he understands complex concepts, which is what an ape would not be able to do. Also, his dialogue in Dawn is still subtitled simplistically ("Seems long ago" instead of "It seems like a long time ago"), so nothing about him shows advancement over how he was at the beginning of Rise.
@nostalgiaclive your probably right, I do remember an explicit difference between ceasers subtitles and Maurice's, perhaps I just crossed wires and assumed his got smarter after the fact
44:17 I didn't mind the Tim Burton movie but was thrown off by the ending. I didn't really understand the 'twist' ending and only just recently found a explanation that.......kind of made sense. Basically their explanation was the planets are separate but the 'worm hole' basically sends you 'diagonally' through time when traveling to said world. IE the further you are in YOUR timeline the farther in the past you are sent to the other world. Which is why Cornelius arrived AFTER Mark Whalberg despite him entering the wormhole before Marky Mark did. Meaning the implication is that the apes would eventually gain the ability to travel through the worm hole (probably not for a while since they were seemingly around now decades before Mark got back) and basically arrive in our distant past to basically re-write history and take over OUR world.
Ya know, that actually works well enough for me. I like it now! What do you think happened to the ape planet? Does it get erased because Mark is no longer missing from his time? I personally don’t think so because the Oberon presumably still disappeared, but an argument could be made for it.
I decided to watch 2001 Planet of the Apes and was expecting it to be terrible but honestly it was actually kind of fun although the last third act is just so stupid. im not saying this was a good movie but Tim Roths performance was awesome and Paul G was just having a blast
Those monkeys used to FREAK me the F out when I was a little boy. I would imagine there would be a few hiding under my bed at night. I’m talkin’ 70’s here. That was our “horror” back then.
@@nostalgiaclive Certainly the first one was the one I remember the first time I saw it, as a movie from start to finish, I was as mesmerized with it as when I first saw E.T. In the movie theatre, still not yet a teen. A few years later that was, both were wondrous but “Apes” was not sentimental like E.T. of course; when they haunt the humans down in the original Apes movie, that was so menacing for me as a kid. I totally sympathized with Taylor. They used to broadcast that first one yearly, it was also thru TV how I got to appreciate the classic Universal horror and Tarzan (Weismuller/O’ Sullivan) movies from the 30’s (In late 70’s, 80’s Belgium).
That’s awesome. I miss the days of watching movies on TV. Or, well, the old fashioned way that is. Speaking of horror that wasn’t really horror, I remember getting scared by Buffy and the movie Volcano when I was younger. Gave me some interesting nightmares.
Haha, that’s what I was pointing out but I just didn’t say it. Essentially that to me equates to “burying their heads in the sand.” I did originally have another line about it, but chose to cut it. I personally find it quite lame, but always gotta gauge how much of a hater I want to be 😆
Could sunna be blue eyes lake descendants because she resembles lake and Will we find out that noa distant direct descendants from Cornelius in future sequels because he lookalike Caesar and they both have same eyes and birthmark?
Well Blue Eyes and Lake didn’t have children. And Noa could be related to Caesar, but I kinda figure they’re not going to trace any lineages. But ya never know!
You mention Elfman's score but have no words for Jerry Goldsmith's score for the original film, which is one of the most amazing film scores ever written?
Well I was trying to give 2001 compliments because there’s a lot of negatives already. But 1968’s honestly didn’t stand out to me. Personal preference.
@@nostalgiaclive I get that, but i encourage you to go back and just listen to the soundtrack carefully when you have a moment. It's Stravinsky-level, and extraordinarily complex. There are some live orchestral performances of parts of it out there on RU-vid that are worth viewing.
@@nostalgiaclive Also, regarding your query about the twist ending-i first saw the first film at maybe age 8-9 (i was born in the '60s), and i had no idea of the twist until the final scene. It blew me away. Bear in mind the context for science fiction of that era, which included things like Star Trek TOS, where it was commonplace to depict extraterrestrial cultures as Earth-like, down to everyone speaking English, and accepted as a simple storytelling device. I think your observations about its deftness in revelation are spot on.
I’ll definitely check out the soundtrack 👍🏻 I also really love the main theme from Rise which I was going to play but it got copyright claimed of course 😂
Yeah, I filmed a segment talking about how lots of movies/shows used to depict alien planets like that. I think I cut it because I was struggling to find example clips that I liked.
I watched it not knowing the twist and its obvious on re watch but for the first time you are ohhhh shit. I was also very young so could have just been an idiot.
From what I’ve seen, it was also a testament to how white people were treated inhumanly in this world like African Americans were treated around this time. It was a bold statement against racism in America, pulling the weight of how idiotic it is to forbid a living intelligent human his rights and dignity because of laws and a system built against you.
@@nostalgiaclivesuggesting the time dilation leads to the ape’s perspective of spacemen landing in kingdom, would have been a lot better than what we got which i feel is the weakest of the reboot movies
Yeah, I felt like they teased the shit out of us with that and then… didn’t deliver. Or did they? They left it vague which just feels like they were afraid to commit.
Oh hands down. I hadn’t made that comparison. The fact that with the former the worst we have to contend with is one silly remake and one pretty bad sequel (Beneath) definitely wins against… all of that
That’s what you think. Little do you know I have a Saw-esque contraption embedded in my skull that goes off if I’m not funny. Bet you feel embarrassed now huh.
As far as Taylor, in the first film goes....the simplest answer was that he was on an Earth-like planet, that had a similar history. Not, that he time traveled to the future.
I was just getting in to it and it went private. Thank goodness it's back. I enjoy you, I mean... like, your videos - but the way you are... in the videos, how they are I mean, with you in them. Ahem... Good job mate.
I don’t understand what’s hard to grasp about the continuity all of the apes movies do not fit into one timeline the ceaser trilogy and the original do not share the same continuity the original already told the tale of how the ape society came to be it technically had its own prequels I don’t mean to be condescending apologies great vid btw too
I saw 1 and 4. I am pretty sure I have seen 3...but I have no recollection of anything from that one. Not even this video really jogged any memories. I am also pretty sure the video store didn't have 2 or 5 back in the day. I know I didn't see those two. That said, I thought it was an interesting concept for a time loop but now you have blown my mind! The new movies are good but I am a sucker for time loops/travel/whatever stories. It's like alt history on crack.
That's wild. I miss my old video store like crazy. They were so unreliable but a place of great joy at the same time. Awesome, I'm glad you got something out of it! 😄 I know, and the repeating motifs in all the movies is endlessly entertaining to me.
As Taylor goes, he's under the impression he's supposed to be several LIGHTYEARS away from Earth. And thousands of years from the Earth he knew anyway. People watched 6th Sense and The Others for most of the movie without catching on until the unusual ending, THEN suddenly all sorts of things fall into place.
Absolutely. I think that hindsight feeling that it's obvious is almost necessary for a good twist because you should have an "OF COURSE" response at the end. I was going to go into this in the video but decided not to: I think the reason it works is because at the time, and since, there have been lots of movies that take the same creative liberties (air, horseys, etc being present on an alien planet) so I imagine viewers didn't think that was odd.
He’s killed by a gorilla early on. I think the only reason he was with them was because he’s maybe more knowledgeable about theoretical space travel? So that helps to explain how they knew how to fly the ship maybe? 🤷🏻♂️
