Tiny Pi NAS: It's impossible to recommend

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The X1011 is a quad NVMe Raspberry Pi NAS board. With a few compromises.
I can't recommend it... but I also can't not recommend it. It's complicated; let me explain!
Things I mentioned in this video (some links are affiliate links):
- Geekworm X1011: geekworm.com/products/x1011
- FriendlyElec CM3588: www.friendlyelec.com/index.ph...
- LTT Video on CM3588: • Paying for Cloud Stora...
- Inland TN320 256GB NVMe SSD: www.microcenter.com/product/6...
- Argon THRML 30mm Active Cooler: amzn.to/3WrpR7K
- Argon PWR GaN 27W USB-C charger: amzn.to/4b390wI
- The ULTIMATE Pi 5 NAS (SATA): • The ULTIMATE Raspberry...
- Big NAS, Lil NAS: • Big NAS, Lil NAS (movi...
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Contents:
00:00 - The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
00:57 - The Good
01:33 - The Bad
03:41 - The Ugly
05:50 - Thermals
06:40 - Price and Value (ft CM3588)
End RU-vidr reference: ‪@greatscottlab‬

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13 июн 2024

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@disarrayer Месяц назад

Jeff, I for one like the more laid back style of the second second channel. Feels more authentic, much like most videos with your dad.

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

Both styles have their place, but I've found this style video to perform much worse overall (in terms of overall views, recommendations, etc.)-however, I think the community side is a lot more engaging when I'm not as scripted / 'personality'ish. So I love having this 3rd channel so I can do this style of video more since they're a little easier to make, and I think still useful to put out since otherwise my thoughts get tucked away on my blog or on GitHub!

@nohay4549 Месяц назад

@@Level2Jeff Well the channel is still new and I myself found out yesterday, while watching your video on 1st channel. I'd say it's too early to judge the performance. I like the idea of having this channel. Especially, upload frequency. It could also host some VLOG style videos whenever there's something new you'd like to share with us.

@EarnestWilliamsGeofferic Месяц назад

I'm concerned that Level 3 Jeff might just be him in his underpants recharging batteries.

@disarrayer Месяц назад

@@Level2Jeff I figured as much but I really have hope that the overhyped, click-bait, emotion-3/7-face-with-arrow-pointing-somewhere-thumbnail, “You will NEVER guess what happened NEXT” phase will be over sooner or later and more natural content will make a comeback. The digital natives are getting older and more irritable as well, so there’s that audience ;-)

@juliancheal Месяц назад

Great Scott, what will level2RedShirtJeff be like?

@MrCaseyJames Месяц назад

Great Scott! Love these even more casual videos.

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

You've won the comment section today, sir :)

@Rkrhlkum Месяц назад

The moment you mentioned about the power supplies issue, I had that thought in my head to refer GreatScott to give a look to the board and improve it 😅😅😅

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

@@Rkrhlkum He would probably make a very nice protection circuit so you could plug in both inputs :D

@cobyhoff Месяц назад

@@Level2Jeff We will make this circuit better! Letssss... get started!

@leafworkmusic Месяц назад

that's GreatScott at the end :)

@rektide Месяц назад

"Has a good cable" is like my uncle's advertising for his (very) old jeep: "Runs. Good hood."

@chrislewis2262 Месяц назад

Great Scott!!! The moment you said "Stay Crea..." I knew exactly who you were talking about.

@diabeticnomad Месяц назад

Ohhh Colton @HardwareHaven says something similar and honestly hoped @jeffgeerling was gonna say Stay Curious

@Zmit Месяц назад

A fair impersonation of Great Scott. :D

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

I could never have an accent so cool as his though.

@auroraborealis5565 Месяц назад

This is like networkchuck without the 1 product placement per 30 seconds. Subscribed.

@YouTubeGlobalAdminstrator Месяц назад

Networkchuck is cringe...

@0r_1x Месяц назад

@@RU-vidGlobalAdminstrator He's just doing his job. In fact, Jeff and Chuck have worked together on products.

@IT10T Месяц назад

Long time fan and it's great to see you back making a lot of pi content, although I must admit that RF stuff is really interesting as well. Nonetheless, keep up the hard work- *it shows* and your channel will evolve as it has, I am just glad there is someone on tech tube representing STL.

@JackMasterOfNone Месяц назад

I’m getting Mr. Roger’s vibes from this video. I dig it!

@mehedyamin Месяц назад

Great Scott! I enjoyed the pace of the video.

@ArifKamaruzaman Месяц назад

Hey that outro is one of my RU-vidr. It's Great Scott from Germany. Stay creative, and I will seeeee youu next timeee.

@ndbaker74 Месяц назад

I like the mimic outro idea, paying hommage of sorts to those who we all probaly watch as well is really cool.

@solice55 Месяц назад

Haha! Nice Greate Scott! callout at the end. I'm just now realizing that many of my favorite channels are all very closely related. I've been subscribed to your main channel for a while, and looks like I'm subbing to this one too. Keep it up!

@JohnADoe-pg1qk Месяц назад

If these pogo-pins use some undocumented(?) test contacts, the board could stop working with a new Pi5 board revision because of moved test contacts - or just one. edit: spelling 🙁

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

True; I don't think Raspberry Pi has recommended powering through the bottom contacts at any time; the ones under USB-C might be more stable, but other test points don't seem like they'd be as reliable in future revisions.

@LeeZhiWei8219 Месяц назад

I'd never expect to hear a GreatScott esque outro from you 😂😂😂. Great video Jeff! Will Red Shirt Jeff be on this channel anytime soon?

@bryanteger 27 дней назад

What is this sneaky channel!? I really dig some of the shots on this channel dude. I'll mirror what others have said and say super chill vibes.

@AerialWaviator Месяц назад

This is like a pre-release; a few tweaks to deal with bandwidth and power input limitations and this could be a great NAS option. Great video BTW, simple style, and very informative.

@riffdex Месяц назад

Next video ends with impression: “We didn’t sell it. We AUCTIONED it”

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

hehe... the sad thing is they don't have a really reliable tagline/end. They have the 'this segue... to our sponsors' bit, but not too many other taglines/catch phrases.

@igordasunddas3377 Месяц назад

He's JGE (Jeff G. Engineering), not LTT...

@GeneralZimmer Месяц назад

Heh, I get that reference

@ReneKnuvers74rk Месяц назад

Great, Scott!

@nakfan Месяц назад

The RU-vidr you're mimicking is: Great Scott 😀 Great idea btw...

@GrahamCantin 25 дней назад

I better hear Anton's "hello wonderful people" creep into that outro one of these days.

@jarman365 Месяц назад

Great Scott!

@yomboprime Месяц назад

Greatt Scott's outro ("Stay creative... and I will see you next time!!!")

@AndersHass Месяц назад

Nice to see the PCIe cable turning so you can get access to the microSD card slot. NVMe SSDs would also need to do high bandwidth reads/writes in order to heat up. I am not sure if that is possible on that board with Raspberry Pi 5.

@FlaxTheSeedOne Месяц назад

DC Barrle 5v can be done via PoE Splitter, theres some that can do 3A at5V from af/at PoE. That might be a good soulution here. But it looks interesting as a small backup machine you can stuff somewhere. Also Internal speed being higher than the 1G still has the benefit of faster Rebuilds when reading and writing from the drives to the others.

@RetroBerner Месяц назад

I ordered a CM3358 NAS kit, I can't wait to play with it. I plan on using it for documents backup, I'll stick to HDDs for multimedia storage.

@pgriggs2112 Месяц назад

Oh, man. He referenced Great Scott. I’m such a nerd for knowing that.

@thegreeneyej Месяц назад

… guys I’m not watching that person… but I agree with you review. Good stuff!

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

Great Scott's great for electronics; many projects show neat techniques to build great circuits, improve existing designs, or even how to test things better

@PhillipRhodes Месяц назад

"Stay Creative" --> Great Scott!

@meco Месяц назад

honestly this could’ve been a main channel upload

@wimnanoe5887 Месяц назад

Great Scott

@disarrayer Месяц назад

Oh, and: GreatScott! ;-)

@goingrandom3558 Месяц назад

Can you make a video of the cm3588? Would love to see the power consumption and limits of the hardware. Especially because you should have a lot of flexibility. You could use m.2 ssds or use m.2 to sata adapters. And potentially you could upgrade the hardware piece by piece if it is required.

@wo88les Месяц назад

I could be wrong, but with pretty much all companies moving away from barrel jacks, hasnt that left companies with surplus? meaning they just throw them in anything now to get rid of them?

@zaca211 Месяц назад

To be fair, i wouldn't worry about drive speed until these boards start coming with SFP+ or SFP28 interfaces for 10 and 25 Gbe speeds. The 6 Ironwolf drives in my backup NAS saturate a 10Gbe link when running large sequential r/w. The main draw here is power consumption. That same NAS draws almost 200w when using Plex or writing data to the drives. A device like this is basically a set and forget device.

@pimplefacedprick2595 Месяц назад

I've had a few geekworm RPI expansion boards that were just like this. Have all the proper looking hardware to connect the drives but, completely lacking the proper chips to make it all work as you thought it should.

@Thee_Dr_Evil Месяц назад

what would be cool is seeing that CM3588 setup with some M.2 to Sata converters with varying types of hard drives, I mean, you could have 2 NVME drives for one pool, maybe a couple of SATA SSD's and some spinning hard drives, of course the power might be a small obstacle, but still that thing looks like a great bit of kit.

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

That is an option-the hard part in that case becomes mounting/powering everything... though maybe someone will come up with a neat solution to that!

@squelchstuff Месяц назад

Joint project with a fellow RU-vidr yet to be revealed? Little easter egg in the outro? Sounds like fun to me.

@miltonb4522 Месяц назад

Seeing this reminded me that Pimoroni has their duo base available (though out of stock currently). I was considering picking one up but after seeing the issues this board has due to the switch, I’m wondering if I should just get another single NVMe base to use with my 8gb pi5 as I already have one on my 4gb 5. The single SSD unit is available and in stock which makes me lean that way as does the switch splitting the bandwidth and also not being able to boot from an SSD thanks to the switch setup.

@primeral 23 дня назад

Hey Jeff, I'd love for you to review Geekworm's X1009 penta SATA hat. I just received mine and I'm doing ok with it, but I'm not as proficient to properly benchmark its performance.

@sivasanthoshr.m2222 Месяц назад

Great Jeff!

@gametec_live Месяц назад

Also, that outro sounds like GreatScott? XD

@thebyzocker Месяц назад

moin

@richards7909 Месяц назад

Out if my depth here but lets try :D Is it possible to connrct a second usb network adaptor so that smb multichannel can be used? Be interesting to know if it works and where the bottleneck would be on Lil NAS :)

@tiaanbasson9092 Месяц назад

Thanks for showing us your PiNas.

@mitchellmnr Месяц назад

Great Scott! how could you end like that! :D

@Geekworm Месяц назад

Thanks Jeff for the great review, we're big fans of Jeff too ^_^ Reply: 1. Bandwidth, depends on PCI SWITCH, X1011 use pcie 2.0 is based on cost considerations, in the design and production of X1011 in the Chinese market pcie 3.0 ic price close to 30 dollars (now the price should be lower, in addition, we are a small batch production manufacturing, there is no IC purchasing bargaining power), is pcie 2.0 ic price 6 times or more. We think the final selling price is too high to be accepted by consumers; another point to note is that PI5 is certified to support PCIE 2.0 only, not PCIE 3.0. 2. Power supply, TYPE-C is limited to 5A, if 4 NVME SSDs are read/written at the same time + motherboard + fan, is the TYPE-C power supply enough at peak? But DC JACK can provide more than 5A power supply, is there an extra option with DC JACK? Thanks again

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

Thanks for the response! And definitely cost is the main consideration in choosing a PCIe switch chip. Some of the Gen 3 chips are outrageously expensive (in comparison to the Gen 2 chips), or are harder to get in bulk quantity. It sounds like a couple board makers might be finding Gen 3 chips for certain projects (I think someone's working on one for NVMe + AI or something like that).

@Geekworm 24 дня назад

@@Level2Jeff X1011 shield now supports NVMe boot with the latest eeprom (2024/05/17 version), I read the release notes and this is from Jeff's bug report. Thanks

@Lachlan.Wright Месяц назад

Great scott!

@spitalul2bad Месяц назад

i am close to ordering the one Linus tried out. would love to pair it with some SATA M.2s

@OlavAlexanderMjelde 14 дней назад

Hello, do you know of a very small NAS with USB-out, so you could use it as a sentry drive in a Tesla and get it to connect to the home wifi when coming home? Some times I have to pull clips from sentry and then have to unplug the drive, so would be cool if I could just share the nvme drive via usb-c and also via Wi-Fi. Right now I made my own nvme 2tb drive for sentry, with an Asus nvme "box", but it just has usb-c

@longshot789 Месяц назад

Great Scot!

@TheOleHermit Месяц назад

Great Scott! But, you need to say it with OTT gusto, as if you're signing off the Mickey Mouse Club. "Y'? BECAUSE WE LOVE YOU!" 😎

@iamnickdavis Месяц назад

I like chill Jeff.

@Fractal_32 Месяц назад

9:05 Great Scott!

@samthedev32 Месяц назад

maybe if it had like a PCIe RAID chip on it, it would have been better... but I think those chips are harder to get and more... rare to find than a generic PCIe switch

@EliteTactical 20 дней назад

I've never built anything like this but want to. I want something small like this but also able to be very rugged. Could you not just break those pogo pin things off? What do they do ?

@worldcitizenoss Месяц назад

GreatScott! From Baden Würtenberg, Germany.

@scalt8367 19 дней назад

Great scott

@nerdegem Месяц назад

I'm liking my cm3588 so far. I like that it doesn't use a flex cable connector. As ever for 3rd party SBCS, the software is a bit 'heh' but I've got Debian core installed and that's all I need for my project.

@frankwong9486 Месяц назад

I added asm1184 one to four X1 pcie board to the pc which is usually used by miner, then put 4 nvme on it using M2 to pcie X1 adapter = cheapo extra 4 nvme It max out 500MB/s bandwidth but it about fit 4 QLC nvme ( when they run out of write cache then 500MB/s is just about right )

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

True; for heavy write loads on QLC drives, especially if they have smaller/no DRAM cache, 400-500 MB/sec is probably ideal.

@lappy65 Месяц назад

Geat Scott

@Mkungaa Месяц назад

Wow, I expected that there will be some PCIe switching chip, but I did not expect that they picked ASM1184e... It costs around 6 USD in China, while ASM2806l which supports PCIe Gen 3 costs 7 USD.

@rex_tang Месяц назад

ASM2806l about 25 USD

@geo1033 21 день назад

@@rex_tang way better chip though.

@zeevkotzer549 20 дней назад

How about trying A SBC NAS based on Odroid H3? It has 2x2.5Gb network and on board 2xSATA and m.2 slot. With NIC bonding can give 5Gb, and with ZFS with 2HDDs and cache+log on the NVME can be give huge volume + great performence

@lmamakos Месяц назад

I don't know what to think about the pogo-pins being used like that... Seems a little sketchy for a long-term "production" use-case.

@Ender_Wiggin Месяц назад

Maybe consider the application with a google coral and or an FPGA accelerator. Slap an m.2 wifi card or an M.2 Can bus modules. Does not all have to be storage. I would love to see you explore the world of odd PCI devices to do cool specific things.

@An.Individual Месяц назад

Hoping for a Pi Hat for >1 3.5" HDD. OMV will not allow RAID if I use USB.

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

It'd be nice to see a good 2 or 4 3.5" board, seems ideal for the Pi 5

@gametec_live Месяц назад

this board would be amazing with the compute module 5... whenever that comes out...

@johnbaldwin143 Месяц назад

Great Scott follow his channel too.

@mjbrenneman Месяц назад

GreatScott

@kunaljain7096 Месяц назад

It's THE GREAT SCOTT 🥳🥳

@PierricDescamps 15 дней назад

I really want there to be a cheap board like either of those, low-power which takes SATA M.2 rather than NVME, AND I want manufacturers to build 4TB (or more) SATA M.2 at decent prices. Basically I want a bulk storage solution that is compact, cheap and low-power. I don't think I've seen anything going in that direction.

@GuoFuTseng Месяц назад

GreatScott!!

@nohay4549 Месяц назад

Great Scott. Collab upcoming?

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

No collab for now, but he's on my bucket list of folks I'd love to meet someday!

@nohay4549 Месяц назад

@@Level2Jeff That would be a great opportunity for fans to meet you personally while you are in Germany. If you could organize a fan meet-up. You and Scott. xD

@deadadam666 Месяц назад

am i missing something ? my understanding is that nvme drives commonly use 3-5 watts when in use with peaks of 10-15 but with a theoretical short max of up to 25w ...... so surely you would want a 100w supply to keep this safe ?

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

It depends a lot on the drive. Most cheaper consumer drives only use 1-4W in my testing, but many would overload this thing, like Samsung 980. Forgot to mention that in the video!

@deadadam666 Месяц назад

@@Level2Jeff cant catch em all dude and lets be honest would be pointless to put high end drives in that thing. video idea though - id be really interested to learn more about the power habits of an nvme drive ? are there ways to inject power via capacitors to prevent brownouts or similar ?

@Mobile_Dom Месяц назад

i picked up the 2 driver version of this before picking up the pimoroni nvme base duo... there's a reason I bought the nvme base duo.

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

Heh, there is a marked difference in the build quality, but Geekworm has been getting better over the years (IMO).

@Mobile_Dom Месяц назад

@@Level2Jeff honestly, for me the most important difference was documentation, its my first time doing things on the pi5 and enabling the PCIe bud etc and the geekworm documentation for the X1004 was lacklustre at best

@anispinner Месяц назад

I thought that "size doesn't matter" but here he says that tiny pi nas is impossible to recommend

@Danielddiniz Месяц назад

It’s GreatScott but you need to say it with the right intonation! 🔊

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

Ha! I know; it's hard to get that down without practice

@robingrosset6941 Месяц назад

GreatScott!! too easy.

@ddiva1973 Месяц назад

Great schot

@ChristopherHailey Месяц назад

PiNAS is probably not the best name for it either

@TheMrDemonized Месяц назад

Especially when it's tiny

@Groovewonder2 Месяц назад

@@TheMrDemonizedidk man, I'm pretty sure this is bigger than the average. And I've seen a lot PiNAS in my day.

@nisenazo Месяц назад

came here from the mini NAS video, never watched your vids before but if i had to choose between the two for presentation I like the laidback tone of this one way more. (I expect there are many that do like that though)

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

Yeah, I know these videos won't get the views that I can get with a more edited style, but I enjoy making them, and I know some people like them more, so I plan on keeping smaller projects like this on this channel.

@JaseTheAussie Месяц назад

Hahaha - maybe you should have also tried to add a German accent :) ❤ (i dont know why it tickles me so much when the creators i follow are also fans of the other creators i follow :) )

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

I'm pretty bad with accents but I shall maybe try for the fun of it

@huboz0r Месяц назад

You can get a 5v usb-c/a to barrel jack PD cable for less than $2. Is it really an issue? Great Scott btw, excellent choice 🙂

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

It's possible to do that, but I don't know many people with one sitting around-and if you're going to get a new power adapter for it anyway, it's nice to not have an inline adapter to get to the barrel jack. IMO just powering the Pi 5 is simplest... though one concern (which I forgot to mention in the video) is some NVMe SSDs tend to peak at 8-10W. Put four of *those* in here, and you're trying to draw 40W or a little more from a power supply maybe only rated at 27-30W!

@huboz0r Месяц назад

⁠thanks for explaining, I didn't consider the peak load which is quite high for a converter cable indeed - there are no 5v usb-barrel cables that support over 5 amps so you'll quickly run into trouble. I would suggest stocking a few 5v and 12v of those, they make the bin of unused power supplies even more redundant.

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

@@huboz0r Yeah; Raspberry Pi has to take on a little of the blame there too... the board will need more voltage at some point just to make it so we don't need 12 gauge wires going into the 5v supply lol.

@TerminalWorld Месяц назад

Is it channels all the way down?

@sootedninjas Месяц назад

What is that plugged in to the phone that measures the temp? @ 06:26

@SuperSpecies Месяц назад

Thermal imager

@Level2Jeff Месяц назад

Specifically it's an Infiray P2 Pro

@stratos7755 3 дня назад

Once it has at least pcie 3.0 x2, then pi can be an ok choice for HDD NAS.

@dazraf Месяц назад

I'd be happy with a larger model ... just saying

@richardwillis4880 Месяц назад

New channel?

@asystem Месяц назад

Greatscott 😁

@SianaGearz 27 дней назад

Mhm i want a SAS RAID so i can stuff it with old server disks from fleabay. Maybe on a Pi, maybe not on a Pi, looking for power efficient options. I think those drives would spend most of the day spun all the way down.