Tired of Hearing About Tyre - The Failed Prophecy of Ezekiel 26 

The reason Babylon could be said to have an army of "many nations" was that it hadnmany vessel nations. This doesn't mean "many nations against Tyer" refers to only the army of "many nations" under the control of Babylon. If verse 13 and later were in a separate paragraph, then what the "switch of the pronoun" really means is not even worth debating. Looking at how the chapter numbers were added to the Bible, I wasn't surprised that somehow the arrangement of words sometimes was less than optimal, but it is within the range of human errors allowed by God, who always shows His children what He means. Well I guess not ALWAYS to ALL His children. He decides whom and when and how and what. But it'll be always enough for those who turn to Him for help to fight their doubt and stay in faith.

@@HaoJingChangZai well yeah, that was my first read as well but Im a bit conflicted because in masoretic text (which is generally accepted to be more accurate as far as I understand) consistently use "am"- "people" for Nebbuchadnezzar's army while in 26:3 the "gowyim" - "nations, gentiles" word is used. I think the strongest arguments for a failed prophecy (other than the historical evidence that it was called Ushu for at least a thousand years by that point) are the fact that even for the "he" pronoun parts it says that his army will walk all off Tyre's streets (to counter the argument that its meant for Tyre+Ushu) and that Tyre's strong pillars he will destroy. The pillar word is "matstsebah" which means a religious idol/sacred pillar in almost any context (other than in Abraham's case). The Tyre main temple had the temple of Melqart which had to pillars as its main attraction and that wasnt destroyed by even Alexander. So as far as Im concerned, its failed even if only the "he" parts are about him (which I agree is debatable). However its still an interesting question of why he changed the expressions and pronouns where he did, and quite frankly I just cant find a definitive answer to it.

@UCPCoNxcmJ-tK0PFKVHnt2LQ thats a good point, I only assumed that it changes to "they" because in the one other place where the the word "wə·šā·lə·lū" - "they will make a spoil" exists in the same form is in Ezekiel 39:10 where its also translated "they shall plunder" even in the Brenton Septuagint translation. Also at that place its clear that its "they". What does this part mean: "The subjectives in both texts both mean "Power, might, strength, force, duress; ability, capability; miracle, wonder; resources; source of power; armed military force, army"? Im sorry but I lost you there. Im assuming the greek "ἰσχύος" corresponds to the hebrew "uzzek" which is also strength, might (in a lot of context its the might of God). So there is no corresponding word for pillars in the greek text? In hebrew the combination is "ū·maṣ·ṣə·ḇō·wṯ" (pillar) "uz·zêḵ" (strength) which was translated "mighty pillars", "strong pillars", "strong garrison" (no idea where the idea of garrison came from, its translated like that nowhere else). Also is there a good tool to search and translate word by word in the greek septuagint? Im using biblehub's hebrew concordance for the jewish text and something similar would be great for the greek. Blueletterbible seems ok but its a bit cumbersome compared to biblehub (which doesnt have greek septuagint).

@@nemdenemam9753 Figured out there's something wrong with my safari and I posted my response to you using Chrome as a separate comment.

@@nemdenemam9753 Just realized you were responding to my partial post earlier. Hope I made more sense after you finished reading the whole thing. I don't have a word for ward tool for Greek. I did it manually. That's why my eyes hurt now...

Michael Sommers walls.

@@TooEasyParanormal Why didn't the Babylonians notice the boats loaded with people going back and forth from the mainland to the island?

Cause is all made up.

@@wg4154 No kidding.

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I really appreciate your comment. Honestly, it would be difficult to make the “many nations” refer to anyone other than the Neo-Babylonian army. But it is definitely seems like it if you only read that passage in English. Thanks for being here!! :-)

I thought about writing a reply, but this seems to sum up my questions with this video. After watching Mike Wingers video, he is much more convincing. Adding Alexander The Great, the details in the passage can be checked off one by one. If I was trying to disprove something, this is the angle I would take with this passage. I believe this video is more of a reach, than assuming Alexander the Great finished the job.

@@justinhayes30 I’m very concerned that you find the dude that said if god tells you to kill someone you should do it to be “convincing”

It's written by the winners,and changed by the whiners

That varies, as to who the writer is ... can look at the recent rants (memiors) by the German generals excusing their failed invasion of the soviet union in ww2 as completely the fault of that megalomaniac ... what was that murderous dweebs name again?

Thank you.

read Ezekiel 29:18-19 his argument is destroyed and I've confronted him with this and he wont take this video down.

@@benaiahtyndalewyatt6326 Repeating your stupid lies doesn't make any difference to anyone. Just stop it, you damn fool.

According to Ezekiel 26:14. I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will NEVER be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken. The city is still there.

@@benaiahtyndalewyatt6326 No reply to Nielsen regarding Ezekiel 26:14 huh? Bugger off and read a bit more.

Alexander the Great fulfilled the prophesy in the end so did the prophesy not come to pass?

@@jessw6296 As you stated it the prophecy did come to fulfillment by Alexander. The video author was asserting that this prophecy was to be fulfilled in full by Nebuchadnezzar which the text does not support.

@@gabesalazar83 Correct, the text does not support this. However, as a longtime student of the Dunning-Kruger effect, this video is a prime example of how those with the least expertise in a domain are often the most eager to enlighten others -- so in this respect it has value.

The mainland part was added at a later date by Biblical printing companies trying to explain away the obvious prophecy that didn’t come true.

@@theautoman22 Evidence for your claim? I see none.

read Ezekiel 29:18-19 his argument is destroyed and I've confronted him with this and he wont take this video down.

@@benaiahtyndalewyatt6326 I know this is an old post of yours, but have you come to realize that the verse you cite is the very verse wherein Ezekiel admits that his prophecy in chapter 26 verse 12 failed to come to pass?

@@ogezpb3927 What are you talking about? I assume you meant Ezekiel 26: 12? Chapter 29 was written before 26. This is what happens when people who don't read the Bible try to join a discussion about it. "Let me tell you about this book I've never read..." Ezekiel, like Daniel, took everything he had written and arranged it in the order he saw fit much later in his life. Chapter 29 is an indictment on Egypt, with one little line about Tyre; he placed it after the judgment on Tyre (26-28) likely because Nebuchadnezzar moved on to Egypt after his siege of Tyre. While he did not conquer the capitol city (also named Tyre), he sacked and plundered all the coastal cities. Most likely 29: 18-19 are intended to be from Nebuchadnezzar's perspective, I'm sure he didn't feel greatly accomplished for mounting a 13-year siege and not capturing the capitol. If a force were to control everything in the United States except for Washington DC, we would say they conquered America. If a force were to move in and take control of Washington DC, we would say they conquered America. Ezekiel 29 predicts Nebuchadnezzar would decimate Tyre, but miss out on the big payoff - He conquered Tyre. Chapter 26 predicts Nebuchadnezzar would plunder all of Tyre, which he did even though he did not take the capitol city - He conquered Tyre.

@@vaeshethblade931 yea, i meant 26 not 29. thanks. hey look, i read the book. Zekiel say Nebby will throw Tyre into the sea and plunder it. It doesn't happen. Alexander the Great does something like that a hundred years later. But not Nebby. In chptr 29 Ezekiel indicates Nebby didn't get the spoils. It wasn't said Nebby would plunder Tyre in Egypt but Tyre by the sea. And forget about D.C. Did you watch the video? It makes a great case. Why am I telling you this. You didn't even watch the video. This is what you get when people who don't watch the video.....

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No need to have an opinion on Ezekiel 29. Whatever your opinion of it is, it never came to pass. So, in this Ezekiel is zero for two.

You are absolutely correct that Tyre was a twin city. I think, though, that we cannot escape the fact that Ezekiel pronounces his judgment against the island city itself.

Digital Hammurabi Yeah im not sure about it, since it seems to me that he refers to both. I would have to check this more.

As well you should :-) There is a recent publication on Phonecian history (2018) by Josette Elayi. It was a good read :-)

Digital Hammurabi oh thats interesting. I might have to read other stuff before reading too much at once :D

Digital Hammurabi I have for example the boon called The Self Does Not Die, which is talking about 104 first hand independent sources of NDE's. They are verified cases and thats why i am interested.

Didn't Ezekiel also literally say that Nebudchadnezzer was supposed to do the thing and failed, so God was gonna punish Nebudchadnezzer for his failure?

@@autobotstarscream765 No, God promised that he (God) would hand Tyre over to him. God didn't. Then God said that since he'd failed to deliver on his promise of handing over Tyre to the King, the King would get Egypt instead. God failed to deliver on that one too. So, either God is incompetent, a liar, or the entire Bible is just one long trope of nonsense. You can pick which one suits you the best.

@@terjeber exactly. The other apologetic position Christians take on the failed Ezekiel prophecy is that Alexander the Great "fulfilled" it. The problem is that the city was "rebuilt" several times after Alexander's passing and the city still exists to this day...

@@gocrazy3564 Also, the apologetic position is insincere and BS. It's impossible for Alexander to fulfill the prophecy since the prophecy is so specific. In the prophecy Ezekiel says, referring to King N. "demolish your towers with his weapons" This prophecy is specifically referring to an action that King N will take, an action he never took. Same below, where E says that King N will enter the gates of Tyre with his war horses. The King never entered the city with his army. "walls will tremble at the noise of the warhorses, wagons and chariots when he enters your gates" So, the apologetic position is entirely BS. tabinnorway.wordpress.com/

@@terjeber 💯% facts!

Does that really need explanation? The "mainland of Tyre" refers to the part of the mainland near to Tyre (and probably ruled, directly or indirectly) by Tyre. It certainly does not mean "Tyre is on the mainland". If today you were to say that you were going to conquer Los Angeles, and in fact all you conquered was Oxnard, you will not have conquered Los Angeles.

Spot on! :-)

read Ezekiel 29:18-19 his argument is destroyed and I've confronted him with this and he wont take this video down.

@@benaiahtyndalewyatt6326 Really? another failed Ezekiel prophecy where YHVH gives Nebuchadnezzar a consolation prize (that shouldn't have been necessary) destroys the argument in this vid? how exactly?

but if you said “many apples” and “many fruits” one could strongly argue that the “many fruits” is referring to the “many apples” you had previously mentioned.

@@peytonperduyn9009 Yes, it could be valid explanation. But, many fruits could refer to many oranges also. Can not find good reason to exclude many oranges to be a part of many fruits!

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He did considerable damage. He didn't destroy the whole thing and plunge it into the sea never to be re-occupied. And Alexander also isn't mentioned in this verse anywhere.

he destroyed it and rebuilt it.

@@akragas4394 realy

Alexander had the city rebuilt, so that prophecy still flops with that apologetic narrative.

Where in the bible story is a Alexander named that would conquer and rebuild Tyre?

read Ezekiel 29:18-19 his argument is destroyed and I've confronted him with this and he wont take this video down.

Benaiah Tyndale Wyatt lol Get a life clown.

I think the city’s inhabitants may disagree with you... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyre,_Lebanon

Tyre most definitely exists. 🤣

You negate their naval prowess. THEN you lay siege to the city.

Helen Pinkham A good place to start might be the short bibliography I give at 24:17. Block and Greenburg are good for content and bibliography.

Thank you so much!

With the navy bringing water from somewhere else.

@Lawrence From what I understand, it’s not for the lack of work to be done. There are literally hundreds of thousands of unread Sumerian, Akkadian, Ugaritic, etc. documents in museums and other research facilities. My working hypothesis is our current de-emphasis on pure research. It’s understandable given the budgets for academic pursuits but, I think, to our civilization's loss.

Agreed.

If Josh and Megan did a Kickstarter for translating a certain text, I would contribute. I would also send me receipt and a letter to my Senator insisting on more money for research.

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What do you mean by fallen evangelical conservative ?

​@@ashleycofer8844he means he's abandoned the faith to pursue his own lusts

​@@Josiah_HarderMore like doesn't believe anymore because its all bunk but ya go on acting like atheists are the immoral ones when your kinds actions today and throughout history prove otherwise.

I'm sorry. You are looking reasons to justify the crisis in your faith. Believe and don't be an unbeliever.

If China destroys Chicago and rebuilds a new city on the same place and calls it Chicago, but it doesnt look like the old Chicago and no one who lives there is from the old Chicago, is it still really Chicago? Same name, different city

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@@007dog1 Do you have any criticism of my observation? I will make it my point more clear: - "He" is used to refer to Nebuchadnezzar and his army in verses 8, 9, 10 and 11. - There is a change from "he" to "they" in verse 12. - Verse 3 says "many nations... like the sea casting up its waves". - If "they" refer to Nebuchadnezzar and his army, why was "he" used in verses 8, 9, 10 and 11 instead of "they", when talking about Nebuchadnezzar and his army and what they will do? And why make the intentional change from "he" to "they", if they refer to the same thing? Thus I believe, it makes the most sense, that "they" simply refers to the many nations, which may be more than just Nebuchadnezzar and his armies.

Shameless Papist the Babylonians were stopped near the border by the Egyptians with the help of Libyan and Greek mercenaries. The prophecy said all Egypt would be desolate not even an animal would remain and the Nile would dry up for 40 years, sorry none of it happened.

Shameless Papist history doesn’t show Nebuchadnezzar sacking any Egyptian cities please mention where you’ve seen this written. And it maybe true that the writers used hyperbole when mentioning all of Egypt being desolate for 40 years. And yes it does say the Nile would dry up. Anyway if your going to claim the Bible is gods word then stuff like this needs to be proven true just like Tyre supposed to be wiped out forever yet their it is today.

Shameless Papist you need to read Ezekiel chapters 29-33 where indeed he says that the country would be devastated by Nebuchadnezzar it would become a desolate waste land no humans not even an animal would be found their. It also does say the Nile would dry up and the area would be this way 40 years. Don’t listen to these others with their excuses. Yes Ezekiel does admit that his prophecy in chapter 26 about Tyre didn’t come true and said god would give him Egypt for a spoil. Ezekiel makes claims and prophecies against Tyre and then when it did happen does again with Egypt. Pleas read all the chapters I mentioned and then study or do your research concerning Nebuchadnezzar campaigns against Egypt . I did and could not find any evidence in history that supports the idea of Nebuchadnezzar doing any real damage to Egypt.

Shameless Papist then you can not read or have terrible understanding.

@@theautoman22 then show what passages it does say that. Instead of just saying that it doesn't say that without the actual evidence. And in no point of the Bible can you take any section out of context everything is Flowing together and you have to know the whole context before you can take even the slightest verse out and examine it

Glad to have you on board!

@@yaruqadishi8326 What kind of bias could you be specific? I only had the time to dig up for those words because they are what 's being argued about and then I shared my conclusion based on those dictionary definitions, which are not mine. Did I actually "translate" anything?

@@yaruqadishi8326 Your words are very offending and arrogant to me. For your reference: www.greekdoc.com/lexicon/so.html#soua Post what you can get for Verse 11 and 12 please.

@@yaruqadishi8326 By the way, if you can read Chinese, I can screen shot the Chinese-hebrew dictionary on my cell phone, similar to the English-Greek one I just posted.

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this is how biblical prophecy works, often it hinges on a future fulfilment... King Neb destroyed the city, torched it, but left empty handed... Many others try to loot the "New Tyre" island, finally Alexander the G takes the ancient city, throws it into the sea, creating a causeway and plunders it with help from a naval army of nations... God could have not been more specific so that every detail was fulfilled by many Kings over many decades... it proves the bible is written by God himself

therefore thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Tyre, and will bring up many nations against you, as the sea brings up its waves. Ezekiel 26:3 emphases "many nations" like "waves of the sea" (waves of the sea means more the one)

@@slipstream4572 Cool story bro.

Digital Hammurabi Josephus obviously had access in his time to the Phoenician annals, and other writings that we do not have today... but research what he wrote two thousands years ago, because he has the pieces to the puzzle you are missing my friend!

Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved! Tyre was destroyed and thrown into sea. Stop living in denial.

@@MichaelAChristian1 God/Jesus can talk to me whenever he wishes. I'm here when he's ready. So far, he has chosen to remain silent. Which means he either doesn't exist or he doesn't want me to know he exists.

@@lostfan5054 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:"- Hebrews chapter 1 verses 1 to 3. We beseech you in Christ's stead BE YE RECONCILED TO GOD! Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be SAVED! Who hath ears to hear LET HIM HEAR!

@@MichaelAChristian1 How do you know any of that is true?

@@lostfan5054 Jesus Chirst is the truth. Never man spake like this man. Jesus Christ is the Only Saviour! There is no greater love than this that a man lay down his life for his friends but while we were Enemies Christ died for us. We love HIM because HE first loved us. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. "For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."- 2 Peter chapter 1 verses 16 to 21.

Apologetics don't contibute to faith. Facts are always changing. When you have a walk with God, he reveals the truth, not only in scripture, but overtime.

You should try reviewing the information yourself. As I mentioned before, he said that this was ONLY referring to Nebuchadnezzar and that "many nations" doesn't actually mean "many nations." However, he missed the illustration given that contextualizes that phrase. It compares the attacks of these "many nations" to the waves of a sea. This shows that it's referring to more than ONE nation, king or conqueror. Furthermore, like the waves of the sea, there's a delay between waves. Similarly, throughout history we see Tyre attacked and destroyed in just this manner.

Blaster Master While Alexander the Great was making his causeway to invade the island of Tyre, the inhabitants were mocking him and his soldiers. They did so because the island of Tyre was well fortified and offered great protection(which is why those who lived in Old Tyre fled there during Nebuchadnezzar’s invasion). So, it’s one thing to proclaim a vague prophecy against a nation, it’s another thing to pronounce a “specific prophecy” against a well fortified and well situated island like Tyre and have it play out literally. Alexander LITERALLY took the remains of old Tyre, along with the trees and the very soil itself and laid it in the sea to make a causeway to destroy Tyre. Exactly as the prophesy said.

@Blaster Master A few things. 1. This prophecy was meant for more than just Nebuchadnezzar. Like many prophecies in the Bible, an illustration is usually given to facilitate understanding. In this case, the attack of many nations is likened to the WAVES of the sea. 2. Ezekiel didn't retract his prophecy. Nebuchadnezzar fulfilled his part. It was decreed that since he didn't receive the spoil from Tyre, his reward would be Egypt. 3. Biblical Prophecies that seemingly switch focus in the middle of a prophecy is not uncommon. Think of it like a movie. A wide shot is presented, then a close up on certain part of the story, then it returns to a wide shot again. This is common. Last, , have you actually studied Isaiah chapter 53 in depth? Or did you simply read someone else's thoughts ABOUT it?

@War Peace I've been studying the Bible for roughly 15 years. This includes not only the contents, but also, the culture, process by which it was preserved and so much more. I've also had the privilege of experiencing the reality of God for myself roughly 15 years ago. So while I don't have any degree in theology, my knowledge and understanding of the scriptures will speak for itself. Also, having the title scholar, honestly doesn't mean much to me. If these so called scholars have never experienced the reality of Jesus Christ for themselves, then the true depths of Bible are hidden from them.

When your prophecy doesn't get fulfilled,it doesn't get fulfilled...no matter how you twist it

Bro I was just replying to another guy. This is literally a guy trying to reinterpret the bible in order not to believe it. Which is literally all this argument is. A reinterpretation. It's what several people do with the bible in order to create new beliefs in doctrines. So as I was telling another guy, it's all about who or what you choose to believe. If a person wants a reason not to believe the bible, they will find it and hold unto it til the day of judgement. But for those who actually want to believe for real, God will lead them to the right people. You have those who choose to trust the research and understanding of men who are against the bible, then you have those who hear the research and understanding of men that support the bible and go to God for a clarity of it's truth. It simply burrows down to who a person choosing to believe or choosing not too. Most people ignorant to the belief of God because that's what they chose. Not because that's what is.

@@007dog1 So, what do you do when, as is the case with the prophecies of Ezekiel, the story in the Bible is contradicted not by opinions but by reality? It's an objective fact that the prophecies of Ezekiel never were fulfilled. Remember, Ezekiel also promised that king N was going to conquer Egypt. He never did. Are you saying that if there is a discrepancy between what is written in the Bible and objective reality, then reality is wrong?

@@raymondgrimaldi9207 No, I said it fits nicely, but I never said that it's the best interpretation...

@@terjeber So we (Mainstream scholars) have all the archaeological evidence about everything that happened in the past concerning egypt? As well as, we have all the proper knowledge to interpret what the bible is saying, and talking about? That's a pretty strong faith!

Read the prophecies in Daniel 9... it has time stamps... they were fulfilled

@@swithinegwuchim481 Name one specified prophecy that was fulfilled, and prove that it was written before the even happened.

@@LiberatedMind1 That would a long conversation... Do you think RU-vid is a good place for that? Here's a link to Mike Winger's on Daniel 9: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pK5RsOaVy4U.html Most of what I would have said come from Mike anyway. Enjoy 😊

@@LiberatedMind1 ....Isaiah is a good one to research. Isaiah was written about 700b.c. though the earliest copy is dated 120b.c. You can look at it or read it at the Dead Sea scrolls museum and is over 90% complete. This is significant as Isaiah is a Messianic book.....in other words it relates to Jesus of Nazareth who lived some centuries later. It's worth investigation. Another is Ezekiel. In chapters 35 and 36 is prophecy relating to the rebirth of Israel which happened in 1948. And no one has put forward a proposal for skeptics that Ezekiel was written in 1949.

​@@1969cmp Isaiah has never been proven to relate to Jesus. The Gospel of Matthew actually takes the verses of Isaiah out of context to try and make them appear as though they do. Isaiah 7:14 for example is promising that a young woman (not virgin) will give birth to a boy named Emmanuel. Before this boy knows "right from wrong" the enemies of King Ahaz will fail. That cannot be for Jesus, for Jesus was obviously not a boy during the reign of Kong Ahaz. As far as the modern nation of Israel being a fulfillment of prophecy, it doesn't truly count as you had people actively making it happen. Zionists Rothschilds (and probably others) bribed the British Prime Minister into establishing a mandate in Palestine, which would later become Israel. Political bribery and military might is not an act of God. The fulfillment of the land promise to the Jews is actually confirmed in Joshua 21. Thus the "promise" for them to live there forever actually failed, as that was before there various exiles. *Be careful with reading into prophecies that aren't there, it's called Eisegesis (please google that).*

Babylon had conquered many nations, and Nebuchadnezzar used these nations together with his native people to conquer other nations.

@@Dragumix whichever the case, it only supports the scriptures and not take away. Most time when we are against the bible is because we are bitter about certain things that happened in life or our own inadequacies or failures. The bible is a simplified way to point man to a God who can not be.fully comprehend even through all eternity. He has given us a simple description of Himself and His son Jesus Christ. We can choose to believe and worship Him. We can also choose to reject the bible and make our own God who suits our ego and flatters us in our sins and inadequacies. At the end of day the true God is seen in righteousness and justice. He can't lower His standards for anyone. The Truth is that He loves us and all we have to do is accept His love and His ways.

@@businesslogistics6346 What makes you think that the bible is the word of the god Yahwe described in the bible?

@@Dragumix what would be the best way to prove something spiritual? I don't know how but you can educate me. The biggest proof I have is that I was a sinner and now I am not. The Word/bible produces unprecedented spiritual and physical results. One such result is how a person who has faith in Jesus Christ is changed from a wicked person to a child of God. If this hasn't happened to you, you can't comprehend it full. Shalom.

Ironically, the reason God was judging Tyre was because of pride. It is amazing to me that all the specific prophecies from multiple prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Amos, and Zechariah) concerning Tyre show up in history in astonishing detail (ie. the city being scraped and thrown into the sea!? Pretty specific right!?). And instead of this inspiring faith, folks are picking apart syntax, grammar, and debatable historical data in order to write off the Bible? Seems like a smoke-screen to me. The real issue is faith. If you approach the Tyre prophecies with a desire to believe God, you will see how amazing His Word is. If you approach the same topic with a heart to prove God's Word inaccurate, you'll find a way to do it. It always comes back to the heart. Always.

Did you actually watch this video at all? And neither of the people who run this channel are atheists. One is a Christian, and the other is Agnostic.

Not that I think this will do any good (as I have seen Mr. Free in several debates, and he does not appear to listen well), but you should take some time and read through the relevant secondary literature on n this topic. What you will find, sir, is that the scholarly consensus (“believing” and “unbelieving” scholars alike) is that Ezekiel’s prophecy went unfulfilled. Should you require a bibliography for said secondary literature, I would be happy to provide it.

@@DigitalHammurabi "What you will find, sir, is that the scholarly consensus (“believing” and “unbelieving” scholars alike) is that Ezekiel’s prophecy went unfulfilled." Bull *caugh* We hear this false claim from unbelievers much. When investigated, it always turns out to be false, and that vastly more scholars dissagree with the nonbeliever than do. It's a tired mantra of rhetoric. Below is a very small sample of the scholars who acknowledge the prophecies of Tyre were fulfilled. The list, if made complete, would included thousands of scholars: H.L. Ginsberg Albright, W.F. (1948), “The Old Testament and Archaeology,” Old Testament Commentary, ed. Herbert Alleman and Elmer Flack (Philadelphia, PA: Muhlenberg Press). “Ancient Phoenicia” (no date), [On-line], URL: gorp.away.com/gorp/location/africa/phonici5.htm. “Ancient Tyre (Sour)” (no date), [On-line], URL: ancientneareast.tripod.com/Tyre.html. Archer, Gleason L. Jr. (1974), A Survey of Old Testament Introduction (Chicago, IL: Moody), revised edition. Barfield, Kenny (1995), The Prophet Motive (Nashville, TN: Gospel Advocate). Benjamin of Tudela (no date), “Traveling in Jerusalem,” [On-line], URL: chass.colostate-pueblo.edu/history/seminar/benjamin.htm. Benjamin of Tudela (1907), The Itinerary of Benjamin of Tudela (New York, NY: The House of the Jewish Book), [On-line], URL: chass.colostate-pueblo.edu/history/seminar/benjamin/ benjamin1.htm. Davis, George T.B. (1931), Fulfilled Prophecies that Prove the Bible (Philadelphia, PA: Million Testaments Campaign). Fleming, Wallace B. (1966), The History of Tyre (New York, NY: AMS Press). Free, Joseph P. and Howard F. Vos (1992), Archaeology and Bible History (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan). Greenleaf, Simon (1995), The Testimony of the Evangelists (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Classics). Herodotus, (1972 reprint), The Histories, trans. Aubrey De Sélincourt (London: Penguin). Josephus, Flavius (1987), The Life and Works of Flavius Josephus: Against Apion, trans. William Whitson (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson). Katzenstein, Jacob (1973), The History of Tyre (Jerusalem: The Schocken Institute for Jewish Research). Keil, C.F. and F. Delitzsch (1982 reprint), Commentary on the Old Testament-Ezekiel and Daniel (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans). Miller, Dave (1995), “Introduction to Ezekiel,” Major Lessons from the Major Prophets, ed. B.J. Clarke (Pulaski, TN: Sain Publications). Rufus, Quintus Curtius (2001), The History of Alexander, trans. John Yardley (New York, NY: Penguin). Septuagint (1998 reprint), (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson). Siculus, Diodorus (1963), Library of History, trans. C. Bradford Welles (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press). Smith, James (1979), Ezekiel (Joplin, MO: College Press). Till, Farrell (no date), “Prophecies: Imaginary and Unfulfilled,” [On-line], URL: www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/prophecy.html. “Tyre” (2006), Columbia Encyclopedia, [On-line], URL: yahooligans.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry?id=48355. Kris Udd, Grace University, Humanities, Faculty Member Paul Ferguson PhD Crai.Zeke - Craigie, Peter. Ezekiel. Philadelphia: Westminster, 1983. Flem.Tyre - Fleming, Wallace B. The History of Tyre. New York: Columbia U. Press, 1915. James Rochford Steve Ledbetter Andrew Perriman Bernard Ramm Grant Osborne, professor of New Testament at Trinity International University in Deerfield, IL Berkeley Mickelsen, former Professor of New Testament Interpretation at Bethel Theological Seminary in St. Paul, MN Philip Myers, General History for Colleges and High Schools, Ginn and Co., Boston, MA, Nelson Gulech The fact show the prophecy was fulfilled, as I have provided them. You can deny the facts all you like but you cannot change them.

Let’s simply take one of your citations. I would challenge you to read Kris Udd’s article, “Prediction and Foreknowledge In Ezekiel’s Prophecy against Tyre,” (Tyndale Bulletin 56.1 [2005] 25-40). I will quote from his article in brief: “Ezekiel’s prophecy that Tyre would be destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar was not fulfilled in the manner predicted by the prophet. This is demonstrated from extra-biblical literature, supported by archaeological evidence, and acknowledged by Ezekiel himself in a later prophecy” (25). Again, “When Ezekiel prophesied the imminent doom of the city of Tyre (Ezek. 26:1-21), many Israelites must have been elated. Jerusalem was nearing the end of a siege by the Babylonians, a siege that would end in the fall of the city and the deportation of much of her population. However, with the passage of time it became clear that the prophecy against Tyre would not be fully realized. There must have been some real head-scratching among faithful Israelites. The failure of Ezekiel’s prophecy continues to present some challenging questions to Christians today” (25). Remember, this was one of the scholars that you cited. What I would recommend is, rather than listing out a long string of scholars (some of whose arguments you appear not to have fully considered), please take the time to read the works of these individuals and set forth the arguments that they make. I actually think that, if you take the time to read Kris Udd’s article, you will find that he summarizes and considers the mainstream conservative arguments concerning this passage. Until such time, I think interacting with you would prove fruitless. Best of luck to you.

@@DigitalHammurabi How fortunate that you found a goofy scholar in my list. Again, thousands of scholars disagree with your bogus statement. Show us a statement by a prominent scholar who says the consensus opinion of scholars is that the Tyre prophecy failed. If you were able to find such a statement, and I doubt one could be found, it would represent a smattering of secular, nay-saying, disbelieving scholars. If compared to the number of biblical scholars who acknowledge that the prophecy was fulfilled based upon the facts, your claim of a concensus it would prove to be no such thing at all, but a tiny number of scholars in comparison. At that point you would whine that "Well they are all Bible-believing scholars so what do you expect???" How many times have we heard these games from people like yourself? It's all too common. You got caught with your pants down making a claim that cannot be supported. Learn from this mistake, and do not make it again. Moreover, the facts remain and are irrefutable: 1. Tyre was destroyed repeatedly by several kingdoms as secular history verifies, as Ezekiel said it would be. 2. Tyre was tossed into the sea as secular history verifies, as Ezekiel said it would be. 3. Tyre became a place where fishermen spread their nets for drying as modern-day observation verifies, as Ezekiel said it would be. 4. Try was swallowed by the sea as geology verifies, as Ezekiel said it would be. 5. Nebuchadnezzar's kingdom was divided in two, then four, then the four merged into one as secular history verifies, as Ezekiel said it would be. I have already provided this evidence and you are welcome to deny reality because you do not want to believe the Bible. But the facts make it clear that people like yourself do not make the claims that you do because of facts, but merely because you refuse to believe scripture is prophetic, which is profound evidence of divine inspiration, which you refuse to believe. The prophecies in the Bible that have been fulfilled are astonishing and prove it is of divine nature - something quite easy to prove. If I provided a cursory list of them it would be to your shame. Now, I do not debate in text format. This is the most text I have typed in response to a disbeliever in quite some time. The majority of nay-sayers and disbelievers want to do only that, because they fear a recording being on the internet of them being refuted by a Christian apologist. If you wish to have any more of my attention it will be because you have contacted James at Modern-Day Debate (ru-vid.com/show-UC_cd4oF2phaIBD3WsU3f7Xg) and arranged a structured debate with me about whether or not fulfilled prophecies in the Bible provide evidence of it's divine inspiration. I am done here. Goodbye.

Oof. Please just pick up a commentary.

@@DigitalHammurabi Ezekiel 26:3 KJV Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up. Ezekiel 26:7 KJV For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. Ezekiel 26:3 MANY NATIONS. rab·bîm Ezekiel 26:7 MUCH PEOPLE rāḇ These aren't the same as you claim. The Bible is infalliable. Your argument against Ezekiel's prophecy is nullified. Seek for God and He will reveal Himself to you. Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

@@frankiehouse2364 Commentary

read Ezekiel 29:18-19 his argument is destroyed and I've confronted him with this and he wont take this video down.

Benaiah Tyndale Wyatt read Ezekiel 26:11, your argument is destroyed

doesn't the Bible refer to Cyprus as Kittim ?

Thank you for the citation! ☺️

@@DigitalHammurabi was looking through some old commentaries and this goes back a ways before McGhee apparently, as John Gill (18th century Particular Baptist) holds to basically the same interpretation. Now I am wondering who came up with it first.

We have asked.

Please feel free to email skylarfictionshow@gmail.com to come on live and tell us all about it.

Glad to have you, I hope you enjoy the videos! Have a great holiday 😂

Viced Rhino sent me here too. And, yes, he is right about this channel. It is great. I'm an ancient history buff, so I like the detailed analysis that Digital Hammurabi is dishing up. Thanks!

I have trouble understanding, so did Ezikel get it right or not?

His prophecy in Ezekiel 26 predicted the destruction of the island city of Tyre by Nebuchadnezzar, which did not take place. In that respect, the prophecy failed.

Thank you so much this viedo is 5+/5

read Ezekiel 29:18-19 his argument is destroyed and I've confronted him with this and he wont take this video down.

@@benaiahtyndalewyatt6326 Brainlessly repeating the same bullshit she has already repeated eight times.

The book of Jonah is not a prophetic book since it is literally a story about a Prophet. They’re are many clues in the story itself that renders the book of Jonah as a non historical parable rather than a book of actual historical prophecy. For example the city being so bug that it takes three days to walk through it (Nineveh was only 7 miles all the way around it wouldn’t have taken that long to walk through the city, Jonah never acts as a good man and the unbelieving polytheistic nations listen to God before the prophet of God does, the king of Nineveh is not named. If the King of Nineveh actually repented in the dust why didn’t they name which King it was? The story ends with a question from God which is another sign of a parable). The book of Ezekiel is an entirely different genre of book from Jonah.

@@Kevin-wb5jl the genre distinction doesn't matter. Literary tropes can recur across genres. God, or God through prophets, is shown as saying one thing as an unconditional and another happening (presumably because it was a conditional) in Jonah, without it being a failure, and so it may be that this happens elsewhere. I don't know if this is the case but it's a possibility

He says "40 days and Ninevah will be overturned" This prophecy happened. Ninevah overturned themselves by repenting and turning themselves over in humility to God.

Sounds like God giving an order, Nebuchadnezzar failing to carry it out, then God punishing him for failure, nothing magical...like how this same God issues orders for the creation of the world that are supposedly Him poofing something from nothing but read just like a foreman giving orders to the other gods under Him to create everything, especially that whole "let US make man in OUR own image" thing...

@@yaruqadishi8326 And what agenda is that, to justify and promote Mesopotamian conquest and cultural domination of the Canaanites? Because that's arguably one of the morals of the Greatest Story Ever Told.

@@yaruqadishi8326 1) Wasn't the Levant conquered by Mesopotamian empires such as Assyria and Babylon along with everyone else in the Ancient Middle East? 2) Isn't the Ba'al religion originally from Phoenicia, sailing across the Mediterranean to reach Canaan? 3) Which stories of Arabia? You mean the Mesopotamian stories since Mesopotamia was the heart of Arabia?

@@yaruqadishi8326 I came to this college-level channel to learn about Mesopotamia and the Levant, so I know there's more to learn and telling me that I know little doesn't work as a deterrent, and one way I learn is by asking questions and hearing others' opinions.

@@yaruqadishi8326 So the Phoenicians converted to Canaanite religion? Who did they worship before they worshipped the Ba'als?

And the amount of mental gymnastics Christians bring up in this video

Yeah, no.

YES! We're actually planning on having an archaeologist on to talk about basic methodology, but I think a hangout or group-discussion type thing would be fantastic.

@@DigitalHammurabi :) Keep me posted, Happy to cover top plans and provenance

read Ezekiel 29:18-19 his argument is destroyed and I've confronted him with this and he wont take this video down.

Sounds like the information is there, but you haven’t acquired it.

Which never happened. An island city that sinks wouldn't be turned into a peninsula. More failed Lieble prophecy

Do you disagree that the debate is primarily exegetical and not historical

@@ScrappyXGC Please pay attention next time, try again.

@@ScrappyXGC I have, guess what Came to the conclusion I dont understand other languages other then the one I was born with and am now trusting those who actually use logic and reasoning instead of this idiotic common sense these christians think they have like dude legit just explained his reasoning and everything and you go we humans are dumb cause we cant read or some shit fuck off with that bullshit xD

@@ScrappyXGC I didnt say that.I seemingly just came to a better conclusion then yours so yeah also "NPC" lmfao now christians are treating others like they arnt even real humans big suprise, get over yourself my friend xD

@@ScrappyXGC even if it did happen its not anything special if you understand anything about how tyre was attacked and how much and the reason why I disagree with this is because if neb couldnt win with a situation like that its just complete failure in my eyes and think you made an error, may you find your way from such false reasoning if this or any prophecys of the bible have convinced you. Have a good day or night my friend. Wont be able to talk for the rest of the night due to sleep hope you understand. Kindly Peek

@@ScrappyXGC Wierd it feels like the guy in the video adressed this and I dont like your accusations of calling him dishonest, If you wanna argue he's wrong all for you but to claim he is straight out lieing. That's just rude and you're better then that my friend. Rewatch the video I guess, cause he adresses what you just said and how this just isnt so in this case. I dont claim he's right but his explanation not only is very detailed but reasonable as well and so I have a reasonable confidence in what he has provided. It's Ezekiel afterall; he fails quite a few of his prophecys so no big suprise he failed this one and then the one after it.

True, but not only was Nebuchadnessor king of Babylon and many nations as well, the prophecy specifically says Nebuchadnessor; not Alexander.

@@davidhoffman6980 I think an argument can be made for Alexander when you read it in the original language.

@@samueldelgado1458 not really because the Bible says that this prophecy failed. It mentions that Nebuchadnezzar was unable to destroy the city so he would conquer Egypt (which he also didn’t do) and Tyre has been continuously inhabited which also contradicts what the Bible says.

@@bedlams9594 The Bible absolutely does not say that Nebuchadnezzar failed to take the city and Archeologists and historians agree... most of The city inhabitants fled to an island, when Nebuchadnezzar came he killed who was left, Alexander came and wiped the floor 500 years later.

@@samueldelgado1458 that’s probably the least correct statement I’ve read today.

Babe Root The problem is that what secular sources tell us and what Ezekiel reports match up well. Ezekiel says clearly that Tyre was not taken. I don’t think this is an issue of the historical reliability of Ezekiel’s account, but rather an issue of the inaccuracy of his prophecies.

@@DigitalHammurabi the tyre prophecy was just fulfilled by the pope

No response as of yet - and he downloaded the original paper some weeks ago, now.

tex959 Im still waiting for Mike’s reply to my Jesus’ genealogy question. He said it is through Mary and I pointed to Numbers in the OT where is clearly states house(lineage) is through the father .... oh well

@@vivahernando1 jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/issues-v05-n06/the-genealogy-of-the-messiah/ Merry Christmas.

The Bible says right, but ignore that, it really means left because is some other verse God is left handed

I'll take the word of an accredited scholar over some rando (you) in the RU-vid comments section.

It clearly said he failed and he didn't make off with all the gold and silver. Why are Christians so desperate to worship such a violent and cruel, rapey demon like Yahweh anyway. He NEVER does anything with Grace and finesse. He just hulks smashes everything like a useless Wookie.

@@paulnewberry8679 The pronoun switches to they when talking about plundering, as in the many nations. When it's talking about Nebuchadnezzar's destruction it only uses the pronouns he/his

@@paulnewberry8679You’ll get to feel that wrath. You’ll learn the hard way.

@@FreeNDeed777 save your threats demon worshipper

Oh my god. Did you even watch the video? Have you even read my book. Sheesh.

​@@DigitalHammurabi Sure thing, I carefully watched the full video, minute by minute. It is incomplete for me and unfair to treat this so easily saying that is immutable false. You are keep insisting on one point, but you do not take into consideration many aspects. Even the smallest detail counts in such an event. The Bible does not give us too many details on this (nor history), meaning that many things could have happened in between the important final events. As I mentioned, God let things happen naturally. He could very well destroy Tyre with His own power, like He did with Sodom and Gomorrah (no people involved). But, as verse 3 says, the destruction of the Tyre happened naturally, waged wars, until it got weak and, ultimately, it was eliminated from the face of the earth by Alexander the Great (part of the waves mentioned in vers.3 over periods of time). While I very well understand the the Old Testament is weirdly use the word "nation" to refers to people (and not as we translate it today), as seen in Genesis 25:23, this time, when it says "I...will cause many nations to come up against you, as the sea causes its waves to come up..." the key word is "waves" (a small detail that can change the whole perspective and understanding), it refers to a group of different nations, that come as waves from different places, because the waves of the ocean comes from all directions and this happens from time to time, intermittently. When we look at this metaphor in its context, we can understand that this refers to different attacks from different directions over a period of time. Sure, it is a metaphor to illustrate the idea that many will come against Tyre until it will be down. So, it is not fair to say that "many nations" here refers to one single army that is formed by many people. It is obvious that Nebuchadrezzar army is formed by many people, no one contests that. If verse 3 refers to he alone, then vers.3 makes no sense and you should eliminate it. In the Bible narrative, verse 3 has nothing to do with Neb and his army... You said that it was not possible for the people to retreat back to the main city. Well, many incredible things can happen when people are desperate in trying to survive. We see this through history. They could very well retreat. How? We don`t know exactly, but it could be possible because the Bible is not giving us step by step how the siege happened, it only explains superficially. I know, you will say: "well, look outside the Bible." Even outside the Bible, we can`t get a detailed image of the whole event, how things happened to speak with such confidence. As I said, the way you studied the aspects you are trying to demonstrate, study the other ones that may be against what you are saying or consider other possibilities of how they could have retreated back to the island city. Maybe they had scouts who notified the people way before the initial surrounding siege. Maybe they had spies inside the Nebuchadrezzar army, and knew about his plan to attack the main island, which in result, they retreated in time in there. Meaning that they only left a handful of manpower to the child city that was conquered by Neb, but failing to destroy the mother city. So there are many factors to be taken into consideration. It is not easy to take a fortified city, even if it is not so heavily equipped with manpower. Why would you ignore so easily the achievement of Nebuchadrezzar conquering the first one? I think it is not fair to assume that it was so simple. The fact that this can be interpreted differently, is because there are two Tyre cities, which Nebuchadrezzar conquer the first one, and the fact that we have verse 3 speaking about many nations coming as waves (a clear indication of an intermittent attack over a period of time). History confirms that, Tyre, was indeed, attacked intermittently until Alexander the Great (part of the waves) was the key figure in fulfilling the Ezk prophecy. The way you interpret this event doesn`t necessarily mean it's how it happened. The fact that Tyre was, indeed, destroyed (as Ezk predicted way before it happened), you should reconsider your interpretation.

​@@DigitalHammurabi Oh... one more thing. You stopped at verse 26, but the prophecy continues, and in verse 28:7 it says: "I will bring strangers to fight against you. They are most terrible among the nations! They will pull out their swords and use them against the beautiful things your wisdom brought you. They will ruin your glory." Who are the strangers (plural)? Wasn't Alexander the Great most terrible among nations? (he almost conquered half of the world in his direction). He wiped everything in his way, no one stood a chance. Alexander the Great may be one of the stranges, right? So, Nebuchadnezzar and Alexander the Great were two key figures in fulfilling the prophecy in two phases (like waves, as stated in verse 3...6). Tyre is down and never built again, as stated in the prophecy.

@@alexanderstephen1567 Hi Alexander. If you are genuinely concerned to get to the bottom of this (and it sounds like you are), I wrote a very detailed chapter on the entire prophecy and its historical context, citing scores of biblical and ANE scholars. www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B094RF3CF3/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1633591383&sr=8-3

​@@DigitalHammurabi Please, have a look at this short history video. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--WkWy47ighY.html&ab_channel=BazBattles It visually gives you a grasp of how the two Tyre cities were. At the Old one is where Nebuchadnezzar succeeded. Look. The fact that you wrote a book on this topic, doesn`t mean you can`t be wrong. Agree? Just take a closer look at the Biblical narrative. If you read carefully the whole context, all Chapters (not only 26) you will see that the Bible does not explicitly say that Nebuchadnezzar would bring Tyre to dust, him and only him. Nebuchadnezzar was just a part of it conquering the child city because the prophecy says: "I will bring strangers against you", and Alexander the Great is one of those strangers as well. There are other prophecies through the Bible that was were accomplished in two or more parts over a period of time. That's not something new. The first attempt to attack the main city failed, and in Ez cap 28 the Bible gives us some more important details from which we can draw a conclusion. It says: "Son of man, say to the ruler of Tyre, ‘This is what the Lord God says: “‘You are very proud! And you say, “I am a god." I sit on the seat of gods in the middle of the seas. But you are a man and not God! You only think you are a god...." The conclusion is this. After defeating Nebuchadnezzar's army when they did attempt to attack the main Tyre, their proudness increased even more to the point of believing that they are some kind of "gods" probably because they felt invincible. Tyre had formidable defensive tactics with big walls. A very proud nation due to its wealth and strategic point. No one would have thought that such a fortress will fall, and yet the Bible said it will fall, and, indeed, it fell. Tyre is gone for thousands of years. It is like I say now: "America will fall, or Russia will fall, or China will fall." Ezekiel said this at a time when the power of the Tyre was at its peak. At that time it was absurd to even think of that, not to mention to become a reality. So the fact that Tyre fell, you should give considerable credit to the authenticity of the Bible. I absolutely see no contradiction or failure in the prophecy. Again, the fact that Tyre fell, it must give you something to think about it in a more fair way and not be too conservative on one idea. And what about the other prophecies in the Bible? What about prophecies about Jesus? They are also false?

Did you watch the video?