I think the _deletion_ of the smoking lounge skylight was *also* inspired by the Lusitania, because apparently the Lusitania's drew complaints of making passengers feel like they were in a fishbowl.
The ending of this video is awesome, with the included bloopers . Just before the bloopers started I was thinking how " slick " your presentation is , from the drawings , to the editing , the way you articulate it all , and even your dress code to fit the era . Well done !
What would of made it lot better to fit the dress code is if he used an old school microphone. Like they did back then. But then it comes down to sound quality so the dress code is irrelevant to me when there’s modern items thrown right smack dab in front of the early 19th century clothing styles.
@@OceanlinerDesigns I make videos of training materials for my company to more efficiently train in Six Sigma. I have lived that blooper reel over and over...right down to the external noises as I live 11 mins from Minneapolis-St. Paul airport and I could almost guarantee that the moment I started recording, a jet would pass over the house. It is also weird how you suddenly can't pronounce words the minute the recording starts!! I did not know the clap thing was an actual 'thing' - I started doing it to help me speed up editing as I could eliminate the whole section between claps. Cool! Oh, and I am a complete Titanorak.
I am French and I speak and understand very basic English but you have a pronunciation that is perfect for me and I can understand everything you say and what you are talking about without using subtitles. Thank you for your work on the great ships that always made me dream. You are doing a very good job of accuracy.
@mrcat5508 Australian. Mike is from Australia. Don't be too embarrassed. I thought he was British too. In a Titanic video, he confessed to his family immigrated from Ireland.
I'd love to see another version of this video detailing the differences between the 3 separate Ships; Olympic, Titanic, and Britannic. I'm aware that the differences between the first two aren't as drastic as with Britannic, but I do know there were quite a few so it'd be interesting to see them all.
May I just say, I study linguistics and phonetics and when I hear speech like yours , I am beyond impressed. You are beautifully well spoken and I don’t think I could extend a more respected Compliment.
This is a huge compliment! Especially since I have always been cognisant that we Australians are not renown for our enunciations. Much appreciated! ~Mike
Was never aware of this design concept for the Olympic-class. I thought it was only the rumored three funneled one, but knowing what I know about ship design now, it makes sense that there'd be multiple drafts before the final version. Also that one blooper with the decks got me. I need to grow up. 🤣
Theres a previous Olympic class designs with four masts and pretty much oldysh looking.. that was the original designs ... also three funnels ... Design D was the pre final template for the final design
Good point! Given the design is labelled Design 'D' we could assume there were designs A-C before it that were considered. Unfortunately nothing remains of these and the three-funnel concept is based only on contemporary magazine artists' depictions. I'd love to cover these in a future video but the design is purely conjecture and not at all official H&W to my knowledge. ~Mike
@@OceanlinerDesigns It was very likely a 40,000 GRT version of the S.S. Statendam (32,000 GRT), construction of which began in 1914 for the Holland America Line (like White Star, part of the IMM). S.S. Statendam was completed as a troop ship named Justicia in 1917 and sunk the following year. She had 3 funnels and a superstructure looking similar to the Titanic and Britannic. Many interior features were also intended to be quite similar to the Olympic Class ships.
@@DSGNflorian They also recycled the 3 funnel design for Red Star Line's SS Belgenland, which so closely resembled a scaled down Olympic that the company officially advertised her as such.
Over and above the fascinating subject matter, I must comment and commend you on your invariable superb presentation skills which are nothing short of superb and really make the presentations come alive - friendly, relaxed, well-spoken and downright pleasant, you are certainly among the top 1% of RU-vid presenters.I commend and thank you for many hours of enjoable entertainment and education - thank you so much !
I remember serving on a cruise ship that was one of a small class. I worked with a lot of people who'd worked on the other ships and quickly discovered that almost every ship of the class was different in some way. Doors that were only on one ship, corridors that simply didn't exist on other ships, completely different layouts of lounges, different numbering of cabins, different crew areas etc...
I've been thinking about this. So, if design D was the basis for the Olympic Class, what were Designs A, B, and C? Rejected concepts? Designs for other ships? Do we know what ever became of them?
Maybe rejected concepts, because (from my limited knowledge of civilian navy stuff, esepxusllt from the early 20th century), they likely had more than 4 designs at that time. So perhaps A,B, and C were rejcted concepts, or they just chsnged the naming conventions
Mike, you need to add bloopers about every month. They're hilarious and show you've got quite the funny side to you, including shaking your head, making noises.
I think this design would lead to a pair of perfectly functional and comfortable ships...but it isnt totally what white star was looking for, they wanted the Olympic class to be EXTRA luxurious
Haha, love the bloopers add!,lol but there something I was searching your videos for about the 3 blade central prop add that was done on titanic to test the performance of the 3 blade central prop on her maiden voyage, all her sisters had 4 bladed central props? Would love your take on this as I've been seeing more n more of this lately, thanks and cheers!🍻
I'm new to your channel, and thus far I've watched several of your vids about various wrecks you've covered, not just Titanic (although my years long interest in the Titanic was what caught my attention). I'm enjoying your videos and your commentary. Keep up the great work.
You mentioned the wireless range being reduced if the Olympic class elected to do away with the aft main mast. I’m interested to know if this design feature hadn’t been altered, on the night of the Titanic disaster what sort of range would her wireless have had? Certainly not able to communicate with as many ships as she did. Would the Carpathia still have been in range of Titanic’s transmissions? And would Titanic have been able to communicate with Cape Race? Maybe if they couldn’t would Jack Phillips maybe have listened to Californians final ice warning instead of brushing him off. Would that have made any difference I wonder
Wasn't the very first design for the Olympic Class supposed to only have 3 funnels? I thought the fourth was added later, because Ismay didn't want the Olympic class to seem superseded by the Cunard ships, both which had four.
The deck plans don't show C deck down, so it's hard to tell where many other differences would be, but it's quite easy to see that the first class dining saloon was planned to be a sumptuous multi-deck experience like Lusitania and Mauretania. The squash court and "spa" area (pool, Turkish Bath, steam/electric baths, sauna) aren't shown either. The lounge still has a dome in the final, but barely - might the original one have had a skylit dome perhaps not under the compass platform?
Very interesting! Just now found your channel. I enjoy those might-have-beens and what-ifs. During the video I was reminded of a picture I saw years ago of how the Queen Mary might have looked: the drawing or painting showed hull 543 looking much as we know it now as the Queen Mary but the last third or last quarter of the ship looked like aft portion of the Aquitania including the counter stern. I'm going to check out the website you mentioned.
One of the few men to have ever lived that cause knowledgeable people to utter a "boo,...hiss!" at the mere mention of his name , let alone his picture as presented here: J. Bruce Ismay. I will have to check and see if that artwork is still being offered.
@@OceanlinerDesigns Contemporary documentation about his encouraging Captain Smith to not be so cautious and how he got a place in a lifeboat (setting aside for a moment how even seeking to get into a lifeboat when there are still women and children waiting is an automatic disqualifier for being considered an honorable gentleman) is pretty convincing to me that he deserves to be reviled. It will be interesting to see the future video with your rationale for why he deserves to be cut some slack.
"The Helicopter"... That happens to every RU-vidr. When I record a new song, it can run flawlessly before the recording, as soon as the camera is rolling, you always play something wrong... And when you think after 50 takes that the recording is in the can, an ambulance drives by, the clock is ringing , or the disk space is full...
Dome, no dome the location of the dining saloon (Mauritania and Lusitania as well) was ideal. Low midship is the most stable and we can't have wine and Champaign spilling everywhere
Actually, this was (probably) not the ORIGINAL design concept: there is an illustration of the "New" OLYMPIC and TITANIC in the New York Times in March 1909 (don't remember the EXACT date; it might have been March 5 or March 9, or even another date. I used to have a copy I made from microfilm, but I lost it YEARS ago). This design shows THREE funnels, and a profile very similar to an enlarged CELTIC class. It also has a size comparison with the LUSITANIA. Now, admittedly, I do not know whether this illustration came to the Times from White Star, or whether it is the conjecture of a Times editor\illustrator of the time based on a CELTIC-class ship (which would have been the biggest in White Star's fleet at the time), but I think it is significant to consider that, if there was a "Design D", it must logically have been preceded by "Designs A through C".
Hi Todd, Design 'D' can be considered the first concept, for now, since it is the only one to survive. My understanding of the early illustration of Olympic in the NYT is that it was pure conjecture, an artist's impression of what the upcoming WSL liners might look like eventually. That design is worthy of a video in itself! ~Mike
@@OceanlinerDesigns I always kind of thought it was an "educated guess", because of it's great similarity to the CELTIC class. That Times illustration looks almost exactly what a "Super-CELTIC" would look like. Most likely they simply took the CELTIC's profile, and kind of "upgraded" it a little in view of the lack of info. they had at the time.
Many more things need to be added in this video like double storey dining salon topped with dome, addition of swimming pool and turkish bath and squash court, reduction in third class facilities or engines and many more things which make a list.
The horizontal wires where not the actual transmitting and recieving part of the Antenna. They formed what is called a capacitance hat. They are a vital part of the system though.
I am glad they added the second mast. My first thought (besides that it looks worse) was "how would they hang the wireless aerials?" Most people don't realize what a network of cables there was up there. I would assume they would angle them down to the railings near the stern, maybe a big V shape, like how they would go from wingtips to tail on aircraft.
@@unclejim3536 it would have been amazing to see what white star line would ahve come up with to rival the queen mary and normandiie. Oceanic 3 would ahve made a great troop ship too. sucks the government help subsidize the cost like they did with cunard.
You can see in the thumbnail pic that the engine ventilation shaft just above the first cylinders is the weakness in the superstructure that caused it to break In half. There was also another stairwell next to it that likely contributed to this. I call it Barclays Theory.
After binge watching your videos.... Your today's set up is better, I love the greeting, your mic makes your voice sounds nicer and I dislike the massive mic at front of you Overall I love how you create your video with in-depth research and sources
Smoking room's should be dark wood paneled spaces..dimly lite. Daylight pouring down from above would illuminate all the smoke rising up into the skylight..unless extracted by suction fans. Dark, dim, and luxuriously furnished!
I thought the original designs called for only three funnels, with the fourth one being added as part of the modifications requested by Ismay to make the ships look grander and to provide smoke escape for the galleys and ventilation for the 1st Class cabin passages (at which it seems they were not successful). Yet this 1908 design shows four funnels from the start. What gives? Yet another long-standing Titanic myth being debunked?
Not easy being the performer, the cameraman, the sound recordist and the director, and as they say about miss-speaking: 'A horse may stumble that has four legs.'
I'm sure I saw another design that was drawn up by a newspaper based on descriptions of the Olympic class they had at the time. It had 3 masts and only 3 funnels.
G'day Michael, I admire people who let their audience see, from time to time, their mistakes that usually end up on the 'digital floor' of the editing program. Apart from anything else it's an admission that 'blooper reels' are popular with viewers and that you're comfortable enough with yourself to let people see the real side of you, in the real world where everyone makes mistakes. Only a few people in a thousand have the ability to speak in proper sentences. I've worked with a couple of these people in radio broadcasting. To be frank, it's a bit intimidating to be opposite a broadcaster who speaks as if from a script but never sounds like that and you imagine that, compared to them, you're sounding like a mumbling idiot. In fact I learned a few tips and tricks from these people, the first of which was to relax and always be aware that you're not talking too quickly. So, Michael, thanks for being 'human'. Cheers, BH
The dining room was originally intended to have a dome above but this was unfortunately removed. For much of Olympic's career passengers noted the saloon was stuffy and hot - given all the burning electric lights - that could have been rectified if they included the dome as intended! ~Mike
@@OceanlinerDesigns Thanks for your reaction. I texted you on Facebook. Any idea how the Plan D dome would have looked like? Was it as the Adriatic with colorful stained glass or some other design?
@@Titan10able Unfortunately, we do not know the answer to this question as there’s virtually no information about the finer details of the earlier designs. We can speculate that yes, it could have looked very similar to the dome that we see with Adriatic and the rest of the Big Four since Harland & Wolff reused a lot of the same designs in many of their ships.
@@thejagotishow thanks for your answer, in that sense the Olympic Class liners were indeed an improved copy and paste version of earlier White Star Line liners. The lower one floor without dome dining room was in my opinion a downgrade, also when we compare this to other contemporary liners which were built palatial high dining rooms (Lusitania, Mauretania, France, Ballin Trio etc.).
Sooo, as soon as you paused because of the helicopter flying overhead, there was an actual helicopter flying over MY place!! (I live in Southern California so that’s not an unusual thing) 😆 Great video as always!!!
The design you’re referring to only ever came about as a newspaper sketch that was produced without official association with Harland & Wolff and/or the White Star Line. As far as we actually know, the design for the Olympic class always called for 4 funnels.
How in the world do you get all this information and prints and everything? Ive geeked out on this stuff since the early 90s and never was able to find this information.
If you can contact Titanic historians, and also the many Titanic museums around the world, especially the Belfast one, you can access nearly every detail about Titanic.
