TMac Thinks He should've won MVP in 2003...Shaq Disagrees | The Big Podcast 

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God bless you

Your good man. Thanks

Real MVP right here

Yet both *Kobe And T-Mac* had better seasons lol especially Kobe

@@Darius_Icewood nah fam cmon… 03 was Tim year.

@@Darius_Icewood Kobe yeah Not tmac

@Drew obv tim hes 7ft

Tim Duncan was unstobbale that year and even Shaq defended him immediately

Kobe played defense that's what separated them on the court obviously Kobe worked harder but tmac was more talented

@@marcusreed5862 Tmac was a great defender when he needed to be. The difference was Kobe lifted which made him last longer

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He’ll naw no top 75

he was older n bigger than kobe

Soft.

Naw that's a grown man bruh

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Only if he can actually learn to sit up straight I stead of laying almost completely flat.

@@zacflemo1994 KB uu

@@ignoblesavage5559 he can sit however he wants to sit

@@thatdidntagewell4689 good lord, is that what you took out of my comment? That I'm somehow seriously trying to dictate how the man sits? Can't believe I have to explain this. What I said had nothing to do with "telling" TM to do ANYTHING. It was an unserious observation based on the FACT that no host of any talk show or podcast is reclining to the degree that he does. I dont know, maybe you've seen shows where the interviewer (OR interviewee) is pretty much laying down. This wasn't even a joke per se...just a mildly humorous observation of his sitting habits. I notice it because I sit the same way, partly to keep various arthritic joints from hurting.

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Such a legend he ain't lyin

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Giannis

@@neworleans018 buggin

An also he almost got traded for Jason Kidd I think u year later! Alot folks don't remember that

Duncan was thriving because of the system tmac had to get it out the mud

This. Tony and Manu were pretty green and weren't All-Stars in 2003.

Tmac's team was the 8th seed in the East, he trippin. And btw, he only got 4th place in votings, it was Timmy, KG, Kobe then TMac. He didn't have a chance and no one was arguing for him at the time

@@quentinsowell3704 This is such an ignorant take. Duncan was the system. The Spurs literally played around Duncan during the early to mid 2000s. The reason why everyone found the Spurs boring was because they constantly played around Duncan just posting up and him deciding what to do from there. Ginobili was a rookie and Parker was only in his 2nd year in 2003. David Robinson was also at the end of his career. Duncan carried the Spurs in 2003. It was only until the later 2000s when the Spurs became that great all-around team with a great system.

Yea but tmac was right they still make the playoffs but Duncan gets them over when it's comes to winning a ring

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​@@nature-kv3xe not at allll. go back and what happened vs the sun's. ight then...remind me how that wasn't mono and toilet papers intro into the NBA and Duncan's double teams didn't make they lil 15 and 12 ppg

​@@nature-kv3xe who was going to make up Duncan's defense?? making them a top defensive team? or the double attention? the rebounds?? y'all straight wildin

@@nature-kv3xe the second option was a 20yr old sophomore Tony Parker. Not even close to being in his prime. Manu was a rookie averaging 7.8 ppg Robinson was a 37 yr old vet only averaging 8pts and 8 Rebs 40 yr old Kevin Willis averaged 4 points 37 yr old Steve Kerr averaged 4 pts And it just gets worse from there.

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He also mentioned he only have a car. Prudence and practical

Ok bro...cool

Why??

No playoff success is a huge black mark. Yeah I know no help but it was the East.

Just like shaq has a bias towards himself and other big men

Who's not going to be bias towards themselves

@@tubewatcher1979 right lebron had success without help d rose 🌹 made it no excuses for t Mac especially in Orlando and definitely should’ve won in Houston with Yao

Not given a chance? Dude never got out the first round like ever. And blew a 3-1 lead. He def had enough talent in Houston to get it done

Great comment SHAQ! 🤣

Wrong

Sure, take Parker, Ginobli and Bowen away and see what they do

Shaq just hatin. Ginobli and Parker were all-star players and would have better stats if Tim Duncan wasnt playing. Give them more touches and they would average 25 ppg. But with TIm Duncan, they're a dynasty.

@@zpacify They weren’t All-Stars in 03

I used to love watching the and1 mix tapes

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Two ball hogs who couldn’t make their teammates or team better, they scored a lot but that doesn’t mean nothing for rings.

​@@MrBallie1975AI went to the final with the sixers.

Kobe. Ai. Tmac those are my top 3

@@MrBallie1975you need your phone taken away sir

Man I miss early 00's Spurs vs Lakers. Those games/series were so intense. 05' finals of Spurs vs Pistons is my favorite of all time. I'm probably in the minority here but I miss me those 86-82 games. Back when playing defense mattered and you couldn't take 2.5 - 3 steps with the ball.

And in 2000 when Tim got injured for the playoffs it was a cake walk for the Lakers. Wasn’t even competitive.

Me too man this was awesome

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Shaq is wrong the spurs was always a playoff team when they got Tim they where a championship team 🤷🏿‍♂️

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Your bad

He's hilarious!😂

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why are you even talking about Playoffs when it's about Regular season MVP?

When the Lakers went on their 3 peat, David Stern and Tim Donaghy already knew they were going to win.

I think he would know he was there in the West and the east lol

Beef or no beef with Shaq/Kobe Pistons were winning that. Just wanna clarify that for you Lakers fans

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The players with gold chains, pimped up cars and 50k shoes don't last long after getting out of the league and their guaranteed contract money stops coming. You either grow up or you go homeless after a while because you can't afford to pay for your monthly car service and rent for your apartment anymore.

Huh how does tattoos have anything to do with being a strong figure

100% it’s not about those things but it’s nothing wrong with the people who enjoy having those things. Getting rid of jewelry and tattoos has nothing to do with maturing, it’s all a mindset type of thing.

I'm still jokingly waiting for T-Mac to make that promise that he was gonna be a school teacher.... Referenced in a short clip in NBA Ballers for the ps2

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Shaq got too much clout . T Mac would bring his numbers down. It is what it is though. I’ll still watch it.

Good idea man. I love spice and the lady is nice but honestly why do they even bother ? Just take them both out and let Shaq do the podcast alone. Is not like they're bringing anything to the show. Spice is hilarious but he's just out of place in a Shaq podcast. And I get the lady is just there because of politics

@@chiiknwaayne7705 tf you talking bout T-mac is loved just as much

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The appropriate name would be “In our day w/ Shaq & Mac”

He keeps it real dumb

Finally someone of relevance said the truth about Bill Walton. The dude had like 1 and a half good seasons in his career and made the top 50 player list, he's the most overrated player in NBA history.

@@commonsense3921 You're clearly a casual. Bill Walton in his prime was an unstoppable force. Won MVP, Finals MVP and won the NBA championship on the Blazers. Not to mention he also had a great run on the legendary 1986 Boston Celtics with Larry Bird. Bill Walton could score at the highest level, rebound, defend the paint, etc.

If he kept it real he would of said McGrady ain’t a HOFer

@@1ZosoLZhe’s not keeping it real though. Tmac is right. The spurs were good enough to make the playoffs and the mvp is a regular season award

Steph wouldn't be able to period

@@gravediggass what would happen then if steph is pulling from half court and the defense stretches out to stop him? The whole floor opens up when u have a Shooter like that handling the rock and most guys in that era were not that quick switching assingnements they were very hard headed when defending.

@@fillitesm you're delusional. He wouldn't even make it to the league in that Era shooting like that. He would be forced to play like a true pg ,score by getting to the basket and get fouled.

@@gravediggass and Curry would excel at that too. Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, Mark Price, Mamoud Abdul Rauf, Mookie Blaylock, Muggsy Bouges and other small point guards did well in the 90's and Curry is better than all of them.

well there is truth there, some players wouldnt even get playing time if they could not play defense. Giannis would not be the bully-ball-player he is today because of how many bigs there were, he might be how he was when he entered the league.

Difference is when Duncan was leader they won 5 rings when TMAC was leader they finished last in an extremely weak east

@@ACLA23 tmac didn't have the help he did have pop,David Robinson, kawhi,parker,green,Bowen even horry to help big difference

@@nature-kv3xe You included Bowen and not Ginobili. Kind of funny.

@@DrivenA111 I believe pretty much GInobili was the leader of that team, Tim was consistent but when the games were tough the one who never hesitated was Manu. And people who are not spurs fan wont ever believe it, but you have to watch the whole matches Ive seen Manu play and carry big time games, I believe thats why he is the winninges player In NBA History

@@sofarsogod You mustve didnt hear what Shaq said?

Same thing happen to me!

Same lol

From 01-03 it was all Kobe vs. Tmac on the school bus

Tmac better talent than kobe. Kobe just better work ethic

@@henryloves their career averages are fairly similar, with Kobe having a slight advantage in scoring and efficiency. Take out the championship factor (which is a TEAM accomplishment), and you could have a legitimate argument. Same could be said of Clyde Drexler.

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Facts!💯 Everyone present all over 40 years old talking about being a gangster shouldn't even be in her vocabulary as grown folk🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️.

@@Bo55edup yea it's alot of old folks especially black women acting like 8 year old out here. I've seen countless women in their 50s with the mindset of toddlers.

Tmac has been cloned 🤣🤣

One of my long time childhood ball buddies actually has a pair of his houston rocket addition all red adidas I love how they started selling those again and the Reebok Q's from Allen Iverson

Legit...

Me too bro I love tmac in Orlando magic

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also almost 3 blks per game...

Tim Duncan 2003 Season - MVP - First Team All NBA - First Team All Defense - Championship - Finals MVP

This is true but MVP is a regular season award and T-Mac was better in the reg season even though Duncan was better overall for the entire season.

@@gorkajames6475 yall forgot the runner up that year was jason kidd, regular season leader in triple doubles and got his team to the finals 2 years in a row

Defeated prime Shaq and Kobe. Who where 3 peat defending champions

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kobe didn't get injured until the end of his career. He was already a made man by that point. Not sure why you indluded Kobe on that list.

@@akwwalker8782 facts he prob a lil kid

@@akwwalker8782 Still... Kobe getting injured is pretty much like MJ getting injured for a whole generation .. so yeah . Lol T Mac was AI, VC , Barkley, (prime) Westbrook, (prime) Harden, Malone, Stockton, CP3 , level .

@@buddyboy4438 your comment is 2 months old but had to tell u to never compare TMac and Wrstbrook again please 🙏 😄

@@zerocal76 Yes please don’t compare Westbrook & McGrady One is a MVP with 9 All Star appearances and 9 All NBA selections

Cause the Women admits she in China’s pocket and just tries to overtake someone by stating something nobody cares about?

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Man I was dying 😭

Helps when you’re playing in the historically weak East, as McGrady was. Against the East that year Duncan had a 25-5 record. Against the West McGrady was 10-17

I remember he played super laid back in the 2003-04 season

Confidence never has to be loud or exagerated. It speaks for itself.

His ge is smooth like that too

His game was also laided back and smooth

@@mr.onehundon2946 I liked his game.

😂😂 shaq said “relax”

THAT WAS HILARIOUS!!!! I watched it literally 7x’s

Yes indeed!

It's sad, but part of the reason relatively younger players such as T-Mac think like this is because the sports media since about 2015 has tried to convince us that the Duncan-led Spurs were a superteam. A superteam that couldn't ever win BTB and went through a finals appearance drought until they got a young Kawhi Leonard to offset an aging Duncan. Shaq is correct here. The Spurs were a very good team and very consistent team but despite all the credit Popovich used to get, it all hinged on Tim Duncan. His presence made them a 50+ win team every season. But they were never a superteam. Ever. It's just revisionism due largely to the GOAT debate over which some people want to dismiss LeBron's losses to the Spurs in 2007 (wherein LeBron played poorly and lost two very close games in Cleveland) and 2014 (wherein the Heat were absolutely in the series until Kawhi outplayed LeBron the last three games of the series). They weren't THAT good. Tony became an all star, but he was never a superstar. And Manu was a 6th man who could be clutch but perhaps would've been exposed on another team as the primary option. They're probably going to be hall of famers because they won 4 titles with Duncan, but some people (I think disingenuously) throw that term around too loosely when assessing how talented a team was; there are levels and not every hall of famer was a superstar caliber player (maybe they should've been to be allowed in, but that's NBA hall of fame standards for you). And to address T-Mac's specific point on the playoffs, maybe the Spurs without Duncan could still make the playoffs in the weak east of those days, but not the west.

@@megavolt67 it's all about what narrative you want to create because the 07 spurs will be labeled too old by the jordan fans in order to diss lebron . see they really arent fans of the old school as much as they are jordan stans. check the hypocrisy though they get salty when you bring up the fact the pistons in 91 were on their last legs from the wars with boston and the lakers from the 80s . teams are only too old when bron faces them lol.They use the same logic against the 2000s Celtics

@@megavolt67 that’s what I said. I love Tmac but he’s tripping here. The west was stacked then. Orlando wouldn’t have made the playoffs out west.

@@ryanr20091 Like Lebron fans say the Heat were old in 2014 just an excuse because they got blown out by the spurs.

I was just thinking that the early 2000 NBA really changed basketball around the world

90s and 00s was the best in my opinion

Real facts👏🏻they say the 80s was golden age of basketball but for me it’s the early 2000s

​​@@camlovesjesus8872 2000's was the pinnacle of flashy and beautiful looking. You cant look better than the 2000's. Was better than a japanese manga

That Utah Jazz team shows that athleticism and raw talent doesnt win but IQ and team play. They played together for so many years and assembled good group of supporting teammates with good coach. If it wasnt for Jordan they would have 2 championships.

@@mrfatuchi you mean if it wasn't for Rodman.

@@patrickgrady7505 Rodman didn’t get his usual rebounds against the Mailman.

Rodman played terrible against Malone, especially in '97. They mostly were putting Toni Kukoc, Brian Williams and Luc Longley on Malone. '98 went a little better for Rodman. But he wasn't remotely like he was in '96 against Kemp.

Pop is like that. But hey, it worked.

@@johncarranza Comparing Pop to Darrell Walker is like comparing a Ferrari to a 1980s Pinto.

@@tevinsherrill5653 I’m only comparing the way coaches talk to their players. There’s absolutely no one compares to Pop.

You worked for the team?

Had Yao not broke his foot they may have won 2-3 in a row, they were outplaying the Lakers

Kobe owned that bopty

i think he got one with the spurs

@@calebd.1463 get real bro

@@chrisburns143 Did watch that series they were about to go up 3-1 and he broke his foot. Shane Battier, T MAC and YAO, there were a few more players also.

Well said.

no need to hide who u are or were as a person tho. i see alot of black men get money then start erasng their culture. its like they think they arent good enough to do everything

Mr.shmekel maybe that’s how You feel, but some people just like what they like and after so long of liking something it will get old

The man grew up! There should come a time in your life when you realize what is truly important. The girl on this show, (whoever she is) said she's attracted to a man with tattoos, so what! She acts as if someone should be swayed to think and behave a certain way because she's speaking for what women like. T-mac didn't want to be disrespectful, but who gives a f"*< what you find attractive. That man is more concerned about teaching his kids what's important, than to try and live up to your expectations. So your attracted to men v with tattoos, so I'm supposed to live my life according to what you believe is important? Go kick rocks. I like Shaq, but he is very immature. He will never understand where Tmac is coming from.

I swear only broke ppl say this. You can do all that and still be humble. You sound insecure about your own life lmap

Very interesting

Yeah and now everything player falls when they drive to the basket.....maybe curry is responsible for revolutionizing that too

I think derrick rose wouldve continued dominating if he learned that too. Everytime he lands it looked like his legs were about to break

@@siriusblack7714 its way better than landing on someones ankle and twisting yours in the process. Most of these injuries happen because the player is paying way too much attention to the ball in the air and not paying attention/prepping to land from their jump. D Wade was good at tumbling too. I think most players now days fall for a bail out foul call from refs...

@@Peampiin 100% they do and I just find it annoying

Preach brother! They did Kobe dirty many times over

2002-2003 TMAC averaged 32.1 points a game. Kobe witch is my man as well. Struggled to win against him. He had nightmares about TMAC. Kobe said himself. He was the only person he couldn’t figure out, because he changed his game so often.

Frl we missing so much would love to hear his take on this

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Incorrect! Just looked it up! Kobe averaged 24ppg in 2003. Straight up lie just like the war in Iraq and all the wars.

@@thedodger4886 idk why these small market teams dont secure they stars. if they ever go to a bigger market with structure and good coaching, ur done. thats self sabotage

@@RobinXlone That's what the supermax contract is for. It allows small market teams to keep their stars. The only downside is that some teams are forced to give supermax deals to players who haven't proven themselves yet.

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A generational talent. The big Shaqsquatch

Still, Tim didn’t MAKE them, they were great in their own regard

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@@JRMason-ri4ii both u and OP is true if we talking just 2003

@@JRMason-ri4ii the point tmac made was, you take TD off that 2003 team they still make the playoffs. That's not happening. They would get 9-10 seed at best. But shaq is also very wrong saying TD made those guys. They would still become all star caliber players without him in the next couple years.

Providing context makes basketball debates not fun because it ends arguments early. You should just go along with it.

i think they have old david robinson in 03 to nobody mention it like he is not a part of the team

Dirk in 2011 thwarts the rest

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@@florencesmith8879 i agree, he had good players around him but everyone was out of their prime by that point..

Actually Robert Horry choked out that seriez for the lakers. He was completely trash in that series. Ko Horry and Lakers beat the Spurs that yr. Look it up. 0-18 from 3. Garbage fg% terrible on defense fhat series and 0-8fg in the clutch.

East was pretty decent those early years

The east was not weak in the 2000s

@@quincytidwell5019 huh?

right thanks for putting things into perspective

Love T-Mac

I thought he was just me. He straight kept it professional though. So much respect for this man!!!

Lol from Steph Curry range

@@DrSwyts For sure!

@@venomous418 Lol

He didn’t even budge, when she did that. She barking up the wrong tree.

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@@gabrielalele8603 also Vince Carter cousin …

People who didn't watch prime Duncan play needs to understand that he was basically Rudy on the defensive end and AD on the offensive end.... also carried himself consistently as a leader like Jokic through 80+ games and winning the chip. Sorry TMAC but there's really no debate.

A “shell” of a HoF is still better than most players

@@spacebjorn Tim Duncan was leagues better defensively than gobert don’t ever compare them again

@@thatboylije7892 Tim was a legend...but Rudy will go down as one of the greatest defensive anchors in history. Nothing wrong with the comparison in that regard.

@@karimw.9954 stop

His prime was in Orlando not Toronto

@@sharrieflentz1035 I never said his prime was in Toronto...

@@johnkaasheuvel2860 surely u can see how someone would read that and think that it was atleast implied.

Don't matter Black mama even said that T-Mac physically was his match

@@rubenocasio9188 'Black mama'

Prime Grant Hill at the 3 And Prime Dwight at the 4

Or if Grant Hill was healthy.

Shaq , Hill, Hardaway, T-Mac unstoppable.

That's a terrible example because those 37pts were based on not playing in the triangle. The triangle was about ball sharing. We saw the same from kobe when he averaged 35 one year. As soon and Phil came back his numbers dipped.

You can also argue it can tougher to put up numbers on a bad team because there the opponents can focus more on that 1 player to take them out of their impact for their team. Sometimes it’s easier and sometimes it’s tougher

I don't think you are making the point you think you're making. Firstly the best year of Jordan's career was the 35 ppg season the year after that 37 point season. There are metrics that measure that. The 91 season was better than the 37 point season but not better than the 35 point season, which is probably the single best individual season in the history of the NBA... the fact it did not result in a championship is due to the talent around Jordan. Point is PPG does not indicate anything, you are 100% right about that, but In T-Mac's case though the 02 season isn't just about PPG, every advanced metric for example Box/+-, VORP, PER, Win Shares etc. had him ranked as the most impactful player in the NBA that season. Offensively by a country mile, and also overall... now it's also completely true that metrics we have now are fantastic at tracking offene but poor at capturing defensive impact soyou can absolutely make the argument 100% that Tim's defensive impact puts him on top of McGrady. But to disregard Grady as putting up big numbers on a bad team doesn't hold any water. His impact on the team was enormous. That Magic team could have been challenging for worst record in NBA history without McGrady, and that's no exageration. They had several key rotation players that wouldn't have been on the roster of 90% of NBA teams that year,.

@@kevinchavis2755 The thing is what "numbers" are we talking about? PPG is a bad stat, everyone knows that. But McGrady's advanced stats were insane that year, better than anyones. Those stats descriminate between bad players that put up big numbers on bad teams and actual studs stuck in bad teams.

Kemba Walker was putting 60 point games in the Charlotte Hornets and carried them to a bottom playoff team, when he went to Boston he quickly became an average starter