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TO MICHELLE STONE: What is the TRUE Eternal Abomination? HINT: It is NOT "Plural Marriage"! 

David Alexander
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TO MICHELLE STONE!: What is the TRUE Eternal Abomination? HINT: It is NOT "Plural Marriage"! The False Foundation of Michelle Stone's Deception, exposed! And the TRUE Eternal Abomination that Heavenly Father hates, outlined! Much love, David

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@davidmalvinalexander
@davidmalvinalexander 2 месяца назад
*"To all my wonderful Channel Friends...and Visitors also. Please note MichelleBStone's comment below...posted to my interview with Peggy about Michelle Stone's heresy a few weeks ago. Please also note Roburry's wonderful reply just below."* I couldn't say it any better than Roburry did. The Quote from Joseph Smith Jr. is wonderful and completely applicable to Michelle and those who follow her heresy and apostasy.* *“It is an eternal principle, that has existed with God from all eternity: That man who rises up to condemn others, finding fault with the Church, saying that they are out of the way, while he himself is righteous, then know assuredly, that that man is in the high road to apostasy: and if he does not repent, will apostatize, as God lives”.* *I pray Michelle Stone and all that are hearkening to her...instead of to our Beloved Prophet and Apostles...would heed Joseph Smith's wise and true words...and repent. Only the Prophet and Apostles have the God-given authority to rightly divide Heavenly Father's Words and Ways for His Covenant People....no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation if it contradicts what they teach us with their God-given authority. Only Pride fails to heed this fact. I will say...a big part of the problem here is this: at this time, there is no call or power or grace, to practice plural marriage in mortality. There is only grace to trust our Prophet and Apostles about these things, regarding our past and also our future. There is no grace whatsoever to try to sort this stuff out apart from them. When the command was given prophetically through Joseph Smith....along with a difficult command, if one receives it in faith...also comes the grace to obey the command. No such grace exists today, because no such command is in effect for current mortality. So it is just borrowing trouble....to do anything other than simply have childlike trust in our amazing leaders about this issue. My heart goes out, to Michelle Stone and all who are deceived by her, and also to those, that they in turn, are deceiving. This is a developing TRAGEDY in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints...the Most Beautiful Thing on Earth. But still, the Standard of Truth has Been Erected, and No Unhallowed Hand...can stop us bringing about Heavenly Father's Purpose and the End of this Wicked Age. Much love, David* ----------------------------- *@MichelleBStone • 1 hour ago "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" Matthew 18:15/D&C 42:88 "And if thy brother or sister offend thee, thou shalt take him or her between him or her and thee alone" This video was filled with falsehoods. David, I would have expected better of you than to have someone on to talk about me rather than reaching out to me, which you could easily have done. If you have integrity, you owe it to your audience to have a conversation with me so I can speak for myself. This woman has dishonestly made multiple accounts and comments all over my videos with so much venom and anger it is impossible to even engage. She is badly misrepresenting me. I will gladly either come on your channel or invite you onto my channel to discuss polygamy and my beliefs and the purpose of my channel. I very much hope you will take me up on my offer. I believe your response will tell us all a lot about you. @roburry • 7 hours ago @MichelleBStone - Brother Joseph stated “It is an eternal principle, that has existed with God from all eternity: That man who rises up to condemn others, finding fault with the Church, saying that they are out of the way, while he himself is righteous, then know assuredly, that that man is in the high road to apostasy: and if he does not repent, will apostatize, as God lives”. Your message in the comments is highly manipulative: “I would have expected better of you… “If you have integrity, you owe… “I believe your response will tell us a lot about you…” Attempts at reputation destruction? Really? Whose integrity should we be concerned about? You also seem to be pretending that this is an issue between you and David. It’s not. You have accused and marginalized God’s prophets publicly. Your channel’s name marginalizes our canon publicly. Sorry this is not a private issue, you made it public. I’m thinking 17 million or so people have the right to respond publicly. You call or imply brother Brigham, one of the noblest and greatest men to have walked this planet, a liar, an evil and wicked man, and then you get worked up about someone misrepresenting you and leaving negative comments on your videos? The cursings that result in lifting up the heel against the Lord’s anointed are pretty grim. See D&C 121:11-25 There’s still time, but time is running out. Israel, Israel (yes, you Jacob and all the descendants of you and your four wives) God is calling…*
@bartonbagnes4605
@bartonbagnes4605 2 месяца назад
You could also point out the story of Ruth the Moabitess, through whom came David, Solomon and eventually Jesus Christ himself. Though we are not told the exact reason that the near Kinsman refused to marry the foreign wife, except he says it will "Mar my inheritance." It definitely doesn't say it's because he was already married, though that he would have to raise up more children to subdivide him land even more. But it could also be because she was a Moabitess, which would "pollute" his descendants. Whatever his reason, he did not say it was because he was already married, nor does the text anywhere imply that that is an issue. It does make it clear that this is in accordance with the command in Deuteronomy 25: 5-10, in that he signifies turning over the right of a Near Kinsman to Boaz by removing one shoe and giving it to him. It also implies that if the wife of the other son had stayed with Naomi, she would also have been part of the packaged deal, so even if the near Kinsman hadn't already been married, he would have gotten two wives to raise up seed in the name of their husbands. But it does make it clear that the reason was TO RAISE UP SEED to keep the inheritance of Israel from falling into the hands of foreigners. Which happens to be the reason stated in Jacob 2: 30, though obviously that wouldn't include keeping the inheritance of Israel, since they were in the New World.
@Adam-ww8ei
@Adam-ww8ei 2 месяца назад
I think y’all are gonna have to settle this in the ring 🥊🥊👊
@Adam-ww8ei
@Adam-ww8ei 2 месяца назад
@SheriChampneys 😂😂😂 “LDS RU-vidr Backyard brawls”!!
@downsmath
@downsmath 2 месяца назад
When we read Book of Mormon carefully, we will note that it wasn't the Lamanites that were the genuine enemies of the Nephites. It was the dissenters among the Nephites themselves that did the most damage. The dissenters would stir up the Lamanites and real destruction would follow. The Book of Mormon warns us about this if we would but read. Great message, David!
@lindamartinez7006
@lindamartinez7006 2 месяца назад
I would love to see Michelle come on and talk to David on his show on you tube . Please do let Michelle come on and explain herself . She is getting old now . Putting down Brigham young and other prophets saying they are evil . I’m wondering why she isn’t called to a disciplinary council . David those were not children . They were grown 30 year olds who were actually murders .
@arielb4987
@arielb4987 2 месяца назад
I absolutely love Brigham Young! He was a very good man! A man of God who accomplished so much! I have many pioneer ancestors who practiced polygamy. I am SO grateful for their obedience, their faithfulness and their sacrifice! One ancestor was 19 when she married a widowed man who had 7 children. She mothered those 7 children while she had 11 of her own children. Her husband then took a plural wife and had three more children. When the plural wife died, leaving 3 young children, my ancestor mothered those young children. The sacrifice of these stalwart people is incredible.
@Kait272
@Kait272 2 месяца назад
"Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and put a javelin through both of them. You would be justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be received into the Kingdom of God. I would at once do so, in such a case; and under the circumstances, I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would do it with clean hands.... "..... - Brigham Young
@lindamartinez7006
@lindamartinez7006 Месяц назад
Wow she mothered 21children all together .
@HelamansArmy
@HelamansArmy 2 месяца назад
My fourth great grandmother married Archibald Gardner after they got to the Salt Lake Valley. She did so because he provided financial support for an otherwise single mother going at life on her own. I don't know many details of their marriage or their relationship but I do know that without Archibald Gardner, Abigail Sprague Bradford would have been entirely alone, with very little support. Being a single parent these days is difficult and i can't imagine how much more difficult it was back then. My ancestors are not, and never were, evil people. Certainly not perfect people but definitely not evil in heart.
@tennisgirl57
@tennisgirl57 2 месяца назад
Looks like we are cousins. I happen to think there are better ways to take care of widows than having them marry men that are already married. Seems a little bit like prostitution to me, give me sex and I'll take care of you. I seem to recall Christ asking us to take care of the widows and fatherless. I don't believe there was anything in there about marrying the widows.
@Luvtallhorses
@Luvtallhorses 2 месяца назад
I worked for a man, long time ago, who was he second youngest child of the third wife of Ammon Tenney who was an extraordinary man and missionary who had the gift of tongues and started serving missions to the Lamanites as a teenager. He served alongside the ‘Buckskin Apostle” . He was descended from polygamy as it was practiced under convenant and sanctioned by authority. He and his wife Sylvia were salt of the earth and they nurtured me as a new member as surrogate grandparents and I will always be grateful. Mesh (Meshach Adam’s ) Tenney said that he remembers his family as a very loving one and that he could go to any of the mothers and be treated the same as if he was their son. He was born in Colonia Dublin in Mexico after polygamy was abolished in the U.S. they had to leave when he was 4 years old because of the revolution. I feel very privileged as a convert to have that connection to such history and the influence of such amazing people. He was a racehorse trainer and i galloped horses for him. Singular experience!
@Luvtallhorses
@Luvtallhorses 2 месяца назад
So she is practising preistcraft which is an abomination! Ironic!
@Luvtallhorses
@Luvtallhorses 2 месяца назад
As soon as they begin to rebel against the authority of the brethren, intelligence departs and their mind belongs to the devil.
@lindagracecox4265
@lindagracecox4265 2 месяца назад
I just have to say, I’m with you David - and that means I’m with every Prophet in LDS Church!
@KaiJames44
@KaiJames44 2 месяца назад
Thank you, David, for courageously standing up for God's kingdom and his true leaders on this earth.
@KingMosiah
@KingMosiah 2 месяца назад
God bless you, David. Your tenacity to cling to the Lord's prophets and apostles is admirable.
@janjardine9353
@janjardine9353 2 месяца назад
I love this! I came from these stalwarts, and I am so grateful you’re proclaiming the truth about plural marriage! ❤
@janaosborn8268
@janaosborn8268 2 месяца назад
I know so many people in my own ward that believe Michele Stone! And then they don’t believe in the prophet and really end up going down a rabbit hole! Thank you for speaking up! I hear the spirit when you speak!
@vendingdudes
@vendingdudes 2 месяца назад
Only 24 minutes in and you have obliterated MS persona with your usual clear logic and humor. Such a gift David
@lanakila40
@lanakila40 2 месяца назад
Mahalo nui for taking the time to defend and sustain the prophets, servants of God and the truth of the Restoration. Because of your podcast and several others who feel motivated online to defend what really IS the greatest gift to mankind - those who could have been manipulated by "flattering words" (Mosiah 27:8-11) "seeking to destroy the Church and lead astray the people of the Lord," - hopefully many will heed YOUR testimony, knowledge of the Bible and history of the prophets! Hurrah for Israel!
@joshuadaddabbo1387
@joshuadaddabbo1387 2 месяца назад
David, this absolutely fantastic!! I too want to stand and shout Hurrah for Israel!! The first Presidency and Quorum of the 12 Apostles are indeed one. I absolutely believe what they teach is true, not only because it is in-line with the scriptures, but also because I can, and have received, personal revelation through the Holy Ghost that Russel M. Nelson is a true prophet and the things they teach are true. Anyone can receive that witness if they are prepared and ask.
@establishingzion688
@establishingzion688 2 месяца назад
Brother David, I LOVE your contagious defenses of the truths of the Restoration and defense of the Prophet and priesthood keys that you have searched for your whole life! Thank you, my good brother! I hope one day I can know the Bible as well as you do! Wow!
@chauncelynn
@chauncelynn 2 месяца назад
The reasons why MBS is so successful is because members are not doctrinally knowledgeable. Even bishops and stake presidents are falling for her historical documents angle because they don’t understand the scriptures. The scriptures are our standard, and doctrine cannot be proven or disproven through historical documents. Even words of the prophets, in various instances, do not qualify as proof or disproof of doctrine. So glad, David, that you are proving the truth of our theology in the only verifiable method available.
@davidmalvinalexander
@davidmalvinalexander 2 месяца назад
Well, actually...even the Scriptures are not the standard. The Prophet..together with his Counselors and the Quorum of 12...are what we are led by. That is a big part of Michelle's appeal...she thinks the Church should be led by HER supposed revelation of the Scriptures...her "right dividing of them. She is actually an evangelical Sola Scriptura Christian at this point....in the process of starting her own denomination.
@user-bl6cx4mw9m
@user-bl6cx4mw9m 2 месяца назад
It is a sad day when members ignore or chose to ignore the scripture and Gods dealings with his sons and daughters and deni the Holy Ghost and living apostles and prophets. Thank you David for standing for the truth in love. We all pray this sister will reconcile her will to that of our fathers.(:
@davidmalvinalexander
@davidmalvinalexander 2 месяца назад
Amanda, Michelle Stone has no authority whatsoever, from God, to sort out the Scriptures in a manner than opposes the teaching of our Prophet and Apostles, and to gather a schismatic following to herself in so doing. And you are a foolish woman...for buying into what she is doing.
@user-bl6cx4mw9m
@user-bl6cx4mw9m 2 месяца назад
Well said and that’s the Truth(:
@deborahpoulos5738
@deborahpoulos5738 2 месяца назад
You're completely right!! You are speaking Truth and unfortunately she ( Michelle ) is Wrong, and she doesn't know what she's talking about!! Maybe she is being led by a bad spirit, I really couldn't speak on that. I agree completely with David and my prayers are with all those who have been believing in her incorrect words. It's just really sad that so many in the Church allow themselves to follow foolishness and lies!! May God touch their hearts with the Truth of The Gospel of Jesus Christ and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
@Debbie62
@Debbie62 2 месяца назад
As we know, apostasy will start from within our own ranks and she is proof that this is starting to occur.
@establishingzion688
@establishingzion688 2 месяца назад
As soon as you become lifted up in the pride of your own eyes (whether it's because of what you think you know, obtaining wealth or prestige, or if you have s following or whatnot) then you are vulnerable to the evil spirits that will carefully lead you down to you know where.
@arielb4987
@arielb4987 2 месяца назад
Another comment….. I hope everyone knows who Don Bradley is. He is the scholar who became an anti- Mormon atheist while doing scholarly research on Joseph Smith. He came back to the church, was rebaptized and is a staunch defender of the faith. He wrote the book The Lost 116 Pages of the Book of Mormon. He knows more about Joseph Smith’s practice of polygamy than anyone. Michelle Stone needs to have a chat with him.
@Adam-ww8ei
@Adam-ww8ei 2 месяца назад
She’s had several
@lindamartinez7006
@lindamartinez7006 2 месяца назад
Really . I saw him .
@kimhaughton3771
@kimhaughton3771 2 месяца назад
She did interview him but Brother Bradley is not aggressive like her. He stated simple facts based on documentation which she immediately put down. She isn't looking for truth. She thinks she's already found it. She has an agenda that has nothing to do with truth.
@Adam-ww8ei
@Adam-ww8ei 2 месяца назад
@@kimhaughton3771 well yeah true historians aren’t aggressive. They aren’t trying to “win”. They just want true answers
@kimhaughton3771
@kimhaughton3771 2 месяца назад
@@Adam-ww8ei Exactly! Facts don't care how you feel about them, they just are what they are. I believe Don Bradley was stating facts but because those facts prove the opposite of what Michelle portrays, she won't accept it as truth. Thus true agenda is revealed.
@rconger24
@rconger24 2 месяца назад
My Priesthood line of authority goes through the Prophet Brigham Young. Thank *_GOD_* for Brigham Young!
@bishdizzle67
@bishdizzle67 2 месяца назад
You are definitely not wrong. She is and so many others are of a different spirit, and it's not The Holy Ghost.
@bryanbarton1153
@bryanbarton1153 2 месяца назад
Thank you so much for addressing this topic. I completely agree.
@jayx61
@jayx61 2 месяца назад
Joseph Smith taught, "The contention in heaven was - Jesus said there would be certain souls that would not be saved; and the devil said he could save them all, and laid his plans before the grand council, who gave their vote in favour of Jesus Christ. So the devil rose up in rebellion against God, and was cast down, with all who put up their heads for him." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith. Page 357. Printed in USA, by Deseret Book Company, 1976). For doctrinal clarity: The plan of salvation was God The Father's [Elohim] plan. Jehovah [Jesus Christ] sustained The Father's plan (he did not devise it). Lucifer [Saitain] devised to amend The Father's plan.
@rutht2023
@rutht2023 2 месяца назад
Another righteous man spoken of in the old testament (married to two women) is Elkanah, husband to Hannah. The two of them were the parents of the Prophet Samuel. Eli the Prophet blessed Elkanah and Hannah when they took their child Samuel to Eli. Later they had more children together. 1 Samuel 2:20 Elkanah was also married to Peninnah, with whom he had several children. It mentions "all her sons and her daughters". 1 Samuel chapters 1 and 2. If Elkanah had been evil by having more than one wife, Eli would not have blessed him.
@lindamartinez7006
@lindamartinez7006 2 месяца назад
Yes that is right . Hannah had the first prophet and her husband had another wife and children while Hannah had none . Eli was not a prophet . Just so you understand that . He worked in the temple but was not a prophet . Joshua was the last prophet until the boy Samuel .
@lindamartinez7006
@lindamartinez7006 2 месяца назад
I’m confused with what Michelle Stone believes . Is she actually saying out Prophet Russel M Nelson and our apostles are evil ?? Seriously ? Then why is she wanting to stay a member ?? Makes no sense .
@rconger24
@rconger24 2 месяца назад
​@@lindamartinez7006 seems covert not in the open.
@rutht2023
@rutht2023 2 месяца назад
​@@lindamartinez7006 You are correct. Thanks for the clarification.
@karenhyatt647
@karenhyatt647 Месяц назад
@@lindamartinez7006 Nah, she's never said anything like that. She wants people to know that God is constant and faithful - not capricious or changeable or in the habit of calling something an abomination and then turning around and making it a commandment. She just loves truth. This is one of my favorite videos of hers - I think it's absolutely beautiful: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fjyYTw8RFqk.html
@vendingdudes
@vendingdudes 2 месяца назад
Pride and selfishness. The undoing of billions since the beginning
@dannyrocket77
@dannyrocket77 2 месяца назад
Glad to have David in our camp! Thank you David 😊 ❤
@tgray747
@tgray747 2 месяца назад
Spot on David! Love your boldness!!!
@emilybailey4283
@emilybailey4283 2 месяца назад
In many cultures, emperors, and rulers were to ensure their royal line by having many wives and concubines. Gentiles, as far as I know, have not practiced it. Gentiles were also the last to recieve the gospel in the first dispensation, and the first to recieve it in this the last dispensation. I believe emperors and rulers, like King David and King Solomon, practiced it unrighteously. It was to be used solely to raise up righteous seed unto the Lord, as shown by the early Saints led by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young when the church was young and struggling. I still believe many err in their understanding of and talking about it, in the church. The scriptures read that it is a command by God for God's purpose of raising up righteous seed to Him. When practiced under the command of God it is a righteous thing. WHEN God commands it, it is right.
@shiloh_h
@shiloh_h 2 месяца назад
She sees polygamy through the lens of lust thats why it offends her to equate it with God. Some of these ‘members’ claim to have revelation that polygamy is evil. There are two types of ‘polygamy’. The worldly and unauthorised kind performed for lust and selfish fulfilment, and the one sanctioned by God for His glory. The Holy Ghost testifies against worldly polygamy. Truly in heaven the sons of Jacob are sealed to him through different women, much to MS disgust because she doesn’t have an eye single to the glory of God.
@Kait272
@Kait272 2 месяца назад
spoken like a true man.
@elizabethpeterson9914
@elizabethpeterson9914 2 месяца назад
I honestly don't understand why she hasn't had her membership withdrawn.
@KingMosiah
@KingMosiah 2 месяца назад
Bishops and stake presidents try really hard to be nice. But, niceness isn't love. John Dehlin, Bill Reel, and many others should have lost their membership long before they did, and would have, if their priesthood leaders weren't so set on trying to be nice.
@katelynmoreno1804
@katelynmoreno1804 2 месяца назад
I really wouldn’t mess with David if I were this Michelle chick 😂 the ONLY reason she gives two craps about what David says about her is because of her deep and abiding fear of it hurting her bottom line $$$. David is a powerful force of goodness. He has a gift for denouncing deception. More power to you brother. Thank you for always pointing your message back to Heavenly Father, Christ, and his ordained servants, your message is never about you. Let that be a lesson to anyone following ANYONE on social media with ANY accusations against the church. Their messages are about them, and their pride. Always.
@davidmalvinalexander
@davidmalvinalexander 2 месяца назад
Thanks for that, Katelyn...for your encouragement, and for your incisive concluding exhortation. Well said.
@StompMom5
@StompMom5 2 месяца назад
Why don't you tell your Master David to pull out the evidence that she has?? She got her material from church archives words from the mouth of Joseph himself. But go ahead and continue to believe he was a liar, adulterer, ped○phile, and murderer. As long as you're all okay with looking him in the face when you meet him knowing he's innocent from what he's been accused. Michelle defends Joseph and is trying to clear his name.
@StompMom5
@StompMom5 2 месяца назад
She could wipe the floor with him in a half a sec
@katelynmoreno1804
@katelynmoreno1804 Месяц назад
@@StompMom5get off the internet please. Could do you some good.
@erukred7528
@erukred7528 2 месяца назад
Thanks you so much for your commentary. It helps me deal with the apostasy going on in my home.
@stephaniesudekum7871
@stephaniesudekum7871 2 месяца назад
Thank you for this! I have always been amazed that society so willingly accepts men having several children with several baby mamas, but when he marries more than one it becomes an issue! This is an awesome explanation!
@kimhaughton3771
@kimhaughton3771 2 месяца назад
Thank you so much David, for addressing this topic!!! ❤❤❤
@-mostlyharmless-
@-mostlyharmless- 2 месяца назад
Amen! amen and amen! Thank You Brother Alexander!!
@jerry_phillips
@jerry_phillips 2 месяца назад
What’s even more befuddling is when she invites guests on who disagree with her and puts words in their mouths and eventually beats them into cowering silence.
@rutht2023
@rutht2023 2 месяца назад
I don't think it is cowering silence but instead exasperation that she is so sure of her own rightness. Why keep talking to someone who has set herself up in place of the Prophet and will not repent?
@lindamartinez7006
@lindamartinez7006 2 месяца назад
It is that she never lets anyone else talk . She talks so fast and irritating . She never shuts up . She just goes on and on and on whining . Most people would just walk away .
@godsoffspring4195
@godsoffspring4195 2 месяца назад
@@lindamartinez7006 LOL... That's what I found too and the frequency of her voice. Oh... a 'harem' full of that no man should suffer. :>)
@bbqbros3648
@bbqbros3648 2 месяца назад
You should have David voice on. He was just baptized and came from a lifelong Protestant background
@bbqbros3648
@bbqbros3648 2 месяца назад
Boice*
@wardactivity
@wardactivity 2 месяца назад
David. When I was listening to this video, I had a thought about how often we use our current reality to judge the past. This is unfair to them and certainly unwise of us. We know that the life expectancy for so many was very short. Many did live long lives, but when you are faced with loosing a parent, brother, child and neighbor consistently at a young age, your perspective on life changes. Life truly is short! It would make sense to me that if you were in a position to care for multiple wives, and you wanted a large family, you would go forward with that idea. We are taught now that our children are given to us from God and that they need to come to earth to experience life here. Do we think we are the only generation that was taught this from God? I have never had a friend loose their life in childbirth. I have had friends come close to death but only because they had state-of-the-art medical care, they survived. We look back at the past and forget that many women and children died and we think that the men they were married to just went on without needing children. We all know that families sacrifice for each other in almost a covenantal way. Having a large family would lift all in creating a higher standard of life where the survival of the family would be better guaranteed. We want to believe that sex shouldn’t be transactional, but it is very transactional even today. I try to remain humble enough to look at Abraham and not judge him for what I cannot understand. I do the same with Joseph Smith and others. I do know the abundance that I have and it’s only because of the restored gospel. Thank you for your faith, it is contagious in the best way!!
@Nikkiotero
@Nikkiotero 2 месяца назад
WE THANK THEE OH GOD FOR A PROPHET To guide us in these latter days We thank thee for sending the gospel To lighten our minds with its rays We thank thee for every blessing Bestowed by thy bounteous hands We feel it a blessing to serve thee And love to obey thy commands Russell M. Nelson is the President and Prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, not Michelle Stone who acts like she is. She thinks that she and others like herself can band together and force a change to doctrine(s) that they dont like, such as having sections of the Doctrine and Covenants removed to suit her fancy as evidenced by her own words which will come back one day to stand as a testament against her. What gall she has!! Well that's not how it works. She's messing with Jesus Christ's church, and look how well its worked out for other apostates. Why does she think she's any different? The same fate awaits her as it will to other apostates and that is that she will face The Lord and will be accountable for her actions. In the meantime, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will still move forward doing The Lord's will. Israel is being gathered on both sides of the veil, our missionaries will still go out,two by two, spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ throughout the world, temples will continue to be built, and Jesus Christ's return is imminent. Michelle and other apostates cannot thwart this work going forward. Hurrah for Israel!
@celesteskousen5882
@celesteskousen5882 2 месяца назад
What a bold declaration and defense of truth! You are so amazing, David. We absolutely love your strong spirit and testimony of the truths of the gospel. ❤❤
@garrymoss8021
@garrymoss8021 2 месяца назад
Wow, David. You did such a good job here.
@tamragoodrich6067
@tamragoodrich6067 2 месяца назад
Thank you David! God bless you!
@tamaramartinez8985
@tamaramartinez8985 2 месяца назад
I appreciate your song and I love your heart, David. I want songs for all of the Seminary scripture matter verses! Anything set to music can be easily committed to memory and embodied. (Which is why listening to the wrong kind of music is so spiritually damaging!) Truly a song of the heart is a prayer unto God. Separately, how fitting that Michelle's name is literally Stone. Her heart has a stone and she is verbally stoning the prophets. I sincerely hope she and her followers have the blinders lifted from their eyes before they fall so far they can't be recovered. Clearly Michelle has the spiritual gift of powerful influence, which is why Satan has targeted her as a top recruit. He is terrified of what she can do to promote the Lord's work if she recognizes him. I hope he gives her one push too many and she wakes up to his manipulations. We need her and her powers of influence on our side! 🙏
@jayx61
@jayx61 2 месяца назад
Before the implementation around the 1880's of clean piped water, and sewerage systems the mortality rate was half of all people born died before the age of 16, and half of them had died before the age of five.
@emilybailey4283
@emilybailey4283 2 месяца назад
Thank you Brother David.
@andrewolsen2711
@andrewolsen2711 2 месяца назад
Thank you for posting this video. I just want to add that D&C 28 was given long before any teaching on plural marriage and God specifically states how revelation will come to the church: 2 But, behold, verily, verily, I say unto thee, no one shall be appointed to receive commandments and revelations in this church excepting my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., for he receiveth them even as Moses. And: 6 And thou shalt not command him who is at thy head, and at the head of the church; 7 For I have given him the keys of the mysteries, and the revelations which are sealed, until I shall appoint unto them another in his stead. Teaching wouldn’t come from a member of the church with an agenda.
@lesliebarney221
@lesliebarney221 2 месяца назад
Very good David. I wish I was articulate as you are. The only thing I would add is to point out is that these people were in Joseph’s ( Jesus’ earthly father’s) patriarchal line. Jesus would never have suffered himself to be borne into a lineage of evil people. These people were his progenitors. And therefore righteous people. God bless you.
@ericwest6056
@ericwest6056 2 месяца назад
Jesus was born of a bastard linage, David and Bathsheba this is clearly stated this doesn't change the divinity of the Son of God. The Catholics say Mary was FULL of GRACE or she would have passed her sin onto her sone. They then start to worship Mary, This is misspelled today it is called Immaculate Conception it should be Immaculate Deception
@amandadangerfieldpiano
@amandadangerfieldpiano 2 месяца назад
Every one of Jesus’ ancestors sinned just like every person except for Him.
@joannewby5889
@joannewby5889 2 месяца назад
Ahhhh if only, we could all stay humble, and not think we know better than God! Let God prevail!!! I feel so humbled for all God has enabled me to be able to do in His name. I couldn’t have done it in my own strength. The opportunities he has presented needed his support
@cameronsmith5786
@cameronsmith5786 2 месяца назад
For those who are now aware, Michelle Stone isn’t just fighting against polygamy, she has come out in open opposition to our Temples and Temple covenants. She calls the Salt Lake Temple, a Golden Calf and then calls members of the Church to repentant for believing in the “false traditions” of temples. She was so bold as to even declare that NOT a single modern temple is approved by or commanded by God.
@Kait272
@Kait272 2 месяца назад
bull shit - She just proved that the endowment came from Brigham and not Joseph.
@katelynmoreno1804
@katelynmoreno1804 2 месяца назад
@@Kait272lol “proved” 😂😂😂😂😂
@cameronsmith5786
@cameronsmith5786 2 месяца назад
@@Kait272 she didn’t prove anything. There are dozens of witnesses who received their endowment personally from Joseph Smith. George Miller never followed Brigham Young and bore a consistent testimony of receiving the endowment from Joseph Smith. This is just one of many examples. Michelle Stone loves to play fast and loose with the sources and documents.
@Kait272
@Kait272 2 месяца назад
@@katelynmoreno1804 yes kate..... proved. like with evidence that would actually hold up in court proved. You know what i can prove - that the endowment isn't of God.... i can prove it with your own scriptures.
@carlatamanczyk3891
@carlatamanczyk3891 2 месяца назад
Plural marriage is still a higher law in Heaven. How many men and women on earth are sealed to more than one spouse??
@Brother-Jacob
@Brother-Jacob 2 месяца назад
I would say the “higher law” is Obedience and Submission to the will of God - plural marriage is not necessarily a requirement.
@elk2804
@elk2804 2 месяца назад
I think eternal marriage is a concept that is still not completely understood and will be one we won't until we need to. Yes, there are some who are sealed to more than one spouse. However, there are reasons beyond those times determined by commandment. We need to remember that there are many how have died who weren't able to marry or due to physical and mental disabilities weren't able to either. These people will be given that opportunity. It will work out in the wash.
@handson2022
@handson2022 2 месяца назад
Jacob's "wrestling" with an angel and then receiving a new name and then seeing the face of God is interestingly similar to the pattern of the endowment ordinance in the House of the Lord.
@user-wd3pw3je7x
@user-wd3pw3je7x 2 месяца назад
Joseph was commanded to institute plural marriage. Does she deny the angel and the drawn sword? Plural marriage was Joseph’s Abrahamic test.
@gingers5392
@gingers5392 2 месяца назад
Thank you for this!❤
@rconger24
@rconger24 2 месяца назад
But Sister Stone _knows better !_
@rconger24
@rconger24 2 месяца назад
For any commenters, I was being sarcastic. (sarcasm is difficult to detect in this form of media)
@freethinker1026
@freethinker1026 2 месяца назад
He ignores the fact that we believe the Bible as far as it is translated correctly and that we believe the BOM to be the most correct book. That the Bible doesn't call polygamy an abomination when the BOM clearly does is a strange point for an LDS person to make. And once again he twist the scriptures. God never once sent Nathan with a woman to hand over to David, he never commanded David to take more than one wife. He didn't personally give David Saul's houses or animals. David received those by virtue of the fact that God anointed him to be King. Technically all that we have comes from God, that doesn't mean if we have beer in our fridge that God literally gave it to us. Nathan was saying everything you have David is a result of God anointing you King, that technically, not literally, all you have came from God.
@joannewby5889
@joannewby5889 2 месяца назад
I believe the prophecy of 7 women being free of their reproach did indeed already come to pass. It was fulfilled and now 100 years + later… we should be mature enough to press forward in Christ!
@dianewyatt4242
@dianewyatt4242 2 месяца назад
I'm SO grateful for your straight forwardness!! So refreshing & NEEDED! Also, when you mention the old Mosaic law where a brother is to take his brother's wife unto himself (after his brother has died of course) most corrupted minds (mine included to some degree...so sad) automatically seem to go to sex ~ we need to broaden our understandings and REALIZE that a man taking a woman unto himself means: he takes on RESPONSIBILITY to provide & protect! ... a BIG JOB!! Evil attempts to masquerade & tout morality in its design to take down the directives/commandment & revelations of God.
@vendingdudes
@vendingdudes 2 месяца назад
28:05 Elijah! I love as trying to help you lol yelling at the video. Elijah having a throwdown with King Ahab and his Priests of Baal. Love that story! "Maybe you guys should pray louder!" Hahahahaha
@matthewsmith5967
@matthewsmith5967 2 месяца назад
"Baal must be sleeping, nerds."
@vendingdudes
@vendingdudes 2 месяца назад
David, remember the video from a couple months ago where you shared your epiphany about plural marriage? It would be a fabulous idea to attach a link to that in the description or a pinned comment.
@dallintheriault9747
@dallintheriault9747 2 месяца назад
Id love to know which video this is!
@user-wd3pw3je7x
@user-wd3pw3je7x 2 месяца назад
When God commands a difficult task, He sometimes sends additional messengers to encourage His people to obey. Consistent with this pattern, Joseph told associates that an angel appeared to him three times between 1834 and 1842 and commanded him to proceed with plural marriage when he hesitated to move forward.
@elk2804
@elk2804 2 месяца назад
I am still not convinced in eternal polygamy based on too many variables and yes I understand there are those who are sealed to more than one spouse. I am also not concerned because it will work itself out and be revealed. I do know it has been commanded by God at times during this mortality and am grateful for living prophets.
@kentwentzell6020
@kentwentzell6020 2 месяца назад
It saddens me that you would judge another without knowing all the facts first. I found this to be an unchristlike approach. Name calling is unsavoury. If you feel as though someone is out of the way you should love them and seek to understand their position. You hit the ground running but still need to allow for grace. Attacking others is not the way. Thoughtful engagement is a better approach. I really don’t feel the spirit from you, but a spirit of contention.
@davidmalvinalexander
@davidmalvinalexander 2 месяца назад
Kent, that is so one-sided of you. Michelle Stone is ATTACKING Our Amazing Prophet Brigham Young...even though he is not alive to defend himself, she is attacking the Trustworthiness of our Prophet and Apostles, and she is attacking the trustworthiness of Doctrine and Covenants...as unreliable...and doing so with not an ounce of humility or self-doubt or discretion...sowing schismatic heresy as far and wide as she can....rather than having the humility and discretion to submit her imagined "revelations" private to the Prophet and Apostles and trust God and trust them...and you think pointing this out...is somehow unfair? How fair is it for her to devote herself to the utter destruction of the legacy and reputation... of one of the Greatest Prophets and human beings the world has ever seen...Brigham Young? Michelle is FILLED with accusation about all this stuff....and you think I should "try to understand her"? There is nothing to understand. She just needs to repent and retract all her VICIOUS and utterly false accusations against the Church. Much love, David
@kentwentzell6020
@kentwentzell6020 2 месяца назад
I don’t think that’s your call to make. I understand your position but consider your approach with a bit more humility. All the best to you brother. God bless.
@joannewby5889
@joannewby5889 2 месяца назад
Calling out a wolf in sheep’s clothing is not a bad thing. Let’s not let our cheese fall off our cracker… by not supporting to David who is defending the faith!
@bartonbagnes4605
@bartonbagnes4605 2 месяца назад
We also have the story of Ruth the Moabitess, the ancestor of Jesus Christ, who was part of a package deal to inherit land. Not only that, it seems if the wife of the other brother had chosen to stay with Naomi, she would also be included as part of the packaged deal. So even if the near Kinsman or Boaz hadn't already been married, they would become instant polygamists. Which would have happened every time more than one brother married to different women both died childless.
@StandforTruth712
@StandforTruth712 2 месяца назад
Michelle If you had integrity, you would stop posing as a faithful Latter Day Saint who professes to still wear the garments of the Holy Priesthood. You bad mouth the Brethren; and you profess to be a prophetess sent by God to correct the church. You are not only leading people out of the Church with your heresy you are breaking up families and undermining your own with your apostacy. Michelle, I hope and pray you will have a change of heart for your sake and for the sake of others who have fallen for your rhetoric.
@Kait272
@Kait272 2 месяца назад
yeah- we cant have people around us who disagree with us...... that would be too christ like.
@charlesmof
@charlesmof 2 месяца назад
David, thanks for addressing this subject and denouncing deception. Just one thought. If MS is railing against plural marriage, she is actually railing against our Father in Heaven and she is actually sitting in judgment against the Most High God. The Most High God has more than one wife and one of them was upon the earth, who gave birth to His only begotten son in the flesh. Pure and simply, she is definitely listening to the wrong spirit.
@Brother-Jacob
@Brother-Jacob 2 месяца назад
I don’t think we know those things for certain, and I don’t think Mary is married to the Father. Just be careful with speculation. But yes, whatever God commands us is right.
@amandadangerfieldpiano
@amandadangerfieldpiano 2 месяца назад
I believe that there is only one Mother in Heaven. God gave Adam just one help meet for him. In the temple we are told to consider ourselves as if we each were Adam or Eve. And God raises up seed with polygamy. Besides Adam, there is Noah, Lehi and his sons, New Testament verse that say “the husband of one wife,” and the Family Proclamation says that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God.
@charlesmof
@charlesmof 2 месяца назад
@@Brother-Jacob There is no especulation brother. Just think that God the Father never gave mankind a commandment that He Himself would break. And, He cannot be called a Father to Jesus if He had not begotten Jesus as any righteous father has begotten a son in the flesh, inside the sacred covenant of marriage. Also, Jesus has experienced everything that a human being has, including the way He was conceived and born in the flesh. No need to especulate, just think with the help of the spirit. On the other hand this is really sacred so I will leave it at that, you draw your conclusions.
@anthonym2499
@anthonym2499 2 месяца назад
Something that I try to keep in mind, is that when Abraham was born Noah was still alive. When Abraham left Haran, Shem was still alive. Shem was still alive when Jacob was born. The covenant with God to Abraham was not a restoration, but rather was Abraham receiving the covenants and promises given to the fathers - from the living patriarchs.
@BTGordon
@BTGordon 2 месяца назад
Thank you David!!!!!
@jasonthatcher3685
@jasonthatcher3685 Месяц назад
Thank you for this, I watched half of a podcast with her and it seemed off so ended up turning it off. This was a great explanation for what I felt.
@freethinker1026
@freethinker1026 2 месяца назад
What's scary is that because something is prophesied you are taking that to mean that it is of God or that he wants it to be that way. No he is just telling us that 7 women will hold to one man just as he told us an apostasy would happen. That doesn't mean he condones or commands either, it means he knows the beginning from the end and everything that will happen. If she twisted it she was wrong for doing so just as you are wrong for twisting it to be proof that God condones polygamy.
@Brother-Jacob
@Brother-Jacob 2 месяца назад
David, I believe Jacob’s “wrestle with God” is exactly the same kind of “wrestle” you had before God, when you decided to follow God. You knew He was speaking to you, and you decided to listen even if He would “make a Mormon” out of you. You and Jacob both Let God Prevail in your life.
@freethinker1026
@freethinker1026 2 месяца назад
It's so cute how he thinks that if something isn't from God or is forbidden by God that it has to expressly say so in the Bible and has to be punished by stoning. It isn't expressly forbidden in the bible and people weren't stoned for having slaves. In fact just like with polygamy there were instructions given regarding those who had slaves. So by his logic he is saying that God condones slavery which is in direct contradiction to the plan of salvation just as polygamy is in direct contradiction to God's design for marriage. He is also assuming that because they were commanded to take their brothers wife if he died and it doesn't specify only single men that that means God is commanding them to enter into polygamy. God does not need to specify only single men as that is a given since God already established his design for marriage being between one man and one woman
@vendingdudes
@vendingdudes 2 месяца назад
I remember learning in high school German the verb for masturbate is "onanieren" (cut me some slack, we were teens). Now here is the story of Onan, the one who "spilled his seed". I jad never connected the two before, or even thought a German word would be based on a 5000 year old Biblical name
@AaronShafovaloff1
@AaronShafovaloff1 2 месяца назад
This video raises a question for me: When do Latter-day Saints feel justified publicly pronouncing a member of their own church an apostate heretic - even a wolf in sheep's clothing - when LDS Church leadership itself has thus-far refrained from making such a judgment on the person?
@Nikkiotero
@Nikkiotero 2 месяца назад
@AaronShafovaloffi The leadership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is one of order. There is a way things are done and processes that are followed. Discipline first starts at the local level through the local Bishop. If it cannot be resolved at the local level, then it moves to the stake level through their Stake President. The leadership in Salt Lake City will not interfere in the process that falls within the stewardship/jurisdiction of the Bishops and Stake Presidents of the members involved. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but what I just mentioned is for the most part how it is addressed. Disciplinary action is a very private matter and not generally publicized. If anything is made public, it is usually the disciplined party who will "spill the beans" so to speak. There have, unfortunately, been a couple of prominent people who have left The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and The Church's leadership in Salt Lake City hasn't commented on it because it is of such a private nature. Again, maybe it has happened ???? and Im just not remembering it, but I don't think so. Edit: But this doesn't/hasn't stopped members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in speaking out against those who are denouncing The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it's leaders and doctrines which are very sacred to us. We have a right and a voice to protect ourselves against slander and heresy, especially from those who claim membership in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Br Alexander has every right to address this and denounce this in his channel and I agree with him and support him fully in this. I have so much love and respect for Br Alexander!
@davidmalvinalexander
@davidmalvinalexander 2 месяца назад
*Well...obviously, I feel justified. Anyone who opposes the Prophets and Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints...is not truly a member of the Church, in Spirit and in Truth.* *Clearly, It is the very height of irony and hypocrisy that you have the nerve to even ask such a question in defense of Michelle Stone and her ilk; She who feels utterly justified in speaking ill of the dead...condemning one of the most amazing men who has ever lived,Brigham Young, the second Prophet of the Restoration, apart from whom the Church never would have gotten established, condemning him as an evil, lustful beast who made up D & C 132, out of his own lustful heart, and then passed it off, supposedly lying to the Holy Ghost by presenting it as being from Joseph Smith*...and also exalting herself as the "true prophetess" of the Church who is going to set the Church free from its dull and deceived leaders and the supposed "curse" it is under as a result.....(to quote you!) "when LDS Church leadership itself has thus-far refrained from making such a judgment?" And you think it is a problem...to say openly she is an apostate heretic? When she says the same about Brigham Young?...and all else she says that is misrepresentation and lies....IS MICHELLE STONE "WAITING"? IS SHE PRESENTING HER SUPPOSED "RESEARCH" AND "FINDINGS" and trashing of the reliability of our Prophet and Apostles and of Doctrine and Covenants.....to the Church, keeping this all to herself till they judge it? Or is she promoting her heretical lies as TRUTH..."when LDS Church leadership itself has thus-far refrained from making such a judgment", that her teachings in opposition to the Church..."are truth"? The Church is a very large "ship"....and often moves slowly. If ANYONE is going to exalt their own interpretations of reality and of the Word and Will of God...against what the Prophet and Apostles of the Church teach...of course I am justified to denounce that as apostasy and heresy and schismatic behaviour. Michelle Stone is just reaping what she has sown, in not trusting and waiting on the Prophet and Apostles of the Church...they who actually DO HAVE the authority from God to determine the truth of things* Much love, David
@godsoffspring4195
@godsoffspring4195 2 месяца назад
As far as I've seen over the years... Church Leadership never publicly pronounces individual members of the church. Even an old longtime years old adversary of the church like Aaron should at least know that much. :>)
@rconger24
@rconger24 2 месяца назад
Yep, we know about you @aaron.
@Lurker1979
@Lurker1979 2 месяца назад
She reminds me of tv evangelists who always put themselves above the prophets of scripture.
@Irvingdector
@Irvingdector 2 месяца назад
David, we don’t even know if we will practice “polygamy” in Heaven. An area authority of the Church told me that we will practice plural sealings, no polygamy (plural marriages) as we practice today getting sealing to our own family and relatives, that’s why we have Family History to get sealed to our family members and ancestors. Back in the Pioneer era, they didn't have Family History, which is why they tried to get sealed to the Prophet and expand the number of children born into the covenant.
@avoice423
@avoice423 2 месяца назад
What is the point of being sealed to more than one woman? What is the point of exaltation? It is the continuation of the seed forever, in other words, having spjrit children and creating worlds and populating them.
@troyallen4317
@troyallen4317 2 месяца назад
Thanks David
@rutht2023
@rutht2023 2 месяца назад
So, is M.S. still officially a church member? I saw a comment on a another video that said her membership had been withdrawn. Maybe it was speculation. Does anyone know for sure?
@jra9380
@jra9380 2 месяца назад
It should be a private matter and not for us to know unless she shares it. In which case she will probably go even more into the deep end.
@rutht2023
@rutht2023 2 месяца назад
​@@jra9380 In general that is definitely the case. I wonder though, if a person out of the church claims to be a church member, if people who know better would let it be known. It would be far better for her to repent.
@kimhaughton3771
@kimhaughton3771 2 месяца назад
(Forgive me David if I misspeak, please feel free to set me straight, but i can't help myself) To those requesting that David interview MS... David has better things to do with his time than to give airtime to a complete heretic. His channel is for the purpose of building up faith and denouncing lies such as those being spread by MS. The world has enough Korihors, we need defenders of our faith such as David.
@Nikkiotero
@Nikkiotero 2 месяца назад
@kimhaughton3771 Thank you for this! I completely agree with you!
@jenniferleon-guerrero634
@jenniferleon-guerrero634 2 месяца назад
I totally agree!
@andrewolsen2711
@andrewolsen2711 2 месяца назад
Agree. I don’t want to know MS’ point of view
@davidmalvinalexander
@davidmalvinalexander 2 месяца назад
I for sure would never interview such a person. I can't see interviewing ANYONE who doesn't fully trust our Prophet. And to debate her...would be ridiculous. Whatever she said...and she would go on and on and on and on with her foolish heresy...my only response would be "Trust God's Prophet!"...it would just be her talking for an hour...and then me saying, "Trust God's Prophet"...and then, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. Utterly Pointless. The woman simply needs to repent...or be honest enough to leave and start her own church....rather than do it on the fringes of the True Church of Jesus Christ.
@kimhaughton3771
@kimhaughton3771 2 месяца назад
@davidmalvinalexander I couldn't agree more! As you said, it would be Utterly pointless!
@godsoffspring4195
@godsoffspring4195 2 месяца назад
I bet if anyone asks Michelle and those others who are practicing priestcraft against the scriptures and the Lord's church, if procreation via artificial insemination outside of wedlock, and including married couples with another man's seed, if this is adultery or a lust based reality... she would not find it sinful or lustful at all. I might add, it's also not against the law and practiced every day all over the world. This exposes their hypocrisy, miss understanding of the scriptures and disregard for the righteousness regarding at least, the physicality of proper polygamy. They really don't know what they are talking about. IOW... I'm relating this to the old days when adequate artificial means was not readily available and God had one righteous man raise up many children unto the house of the Lord having multiple wives and even concubines. So where is the sin... where is the adultery when we remove the lust, adultery and the Lord wills it?? Deer in the headlights, they are. That's when the word salads come out. When will they wake up??
@jimoray3
@jimoray3 2 месяца назад
You are so spot on. Thank you
@creativegenecircle
@creativegenecircle 2 месяца назад
I sent you an email. Did you get it… it was about wolves in sheep’s clothing. I would love your thoughts on it.
@JudgeJunie
@JudgeJunie 2 месяца назад
Well said David….
@jacobsamuelson3181
@jacobsamuelson3181 2 месяца назад
I mean if you really think about it. We are to all take upon the name of Christ. This is essentially a polygamous practice of multiple people marrying one person to take their name upon them. Is that abominable? Isaiah stated and then repeated in 2 Nephi. 1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach. 2 In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel. Isaiah views this as Beautiful and glorious. Not abominable and wicked. I think we have a lot to learn from polygamy and a lot to be grateful for by not having to be the ones commanded to practice it. It is not right for Michelle to be so devoted to this idea that polygamy is so vile and to spread it.
@joannewby5889
@joannewby5889 2 месяца назад
I sure like that
@amandaparkin1718
@amandaparkin1718 2 месяца назад
And after Sarah died Abraham married Keturah and I think had 6 sons. Though not polygamous on earth, she would still be his wife in heaven!
@freethinker1026
@freethinker1026 2 месяца назад
Let's look at it. Michelle is speaking out against a man who was called not by Joseph but by the three witnesses to be an apostle which apostles were not what they are today, they were basically traveling missionaries. A man who was not called by God to be a prophet but who was voted in along with the rest of the 12 to lead the church after Joseph's death by the majority of the members and later when in Utah he was made the head. A man who we know lied, a man who we know altered documents, a man who taught false doctrines that the church has since denounced ie: blood atonement, Adam/God theory, blacks and the priesthood. A man who never saw God the father or Jesus Christ. A man who anointed himself to be a God. A man who had 50+ wives and didn't treat them well. A man who was proud. Vs you who is speaking against a man who saw God and Christ, was called of God to restore the church, who translated the BOM, who received revelation, who was called of God to be a prophet, who is the founder of the church, who had one wife and treated her very well, who taught pure doctrine, who was a humble servant and follower of Christ Let those who will see, see and those who will hear, hear. The truth will prevail. To say God has Nelson's ear? He had the ears of prophets for years before Kimball overturned the priesthood ban. Having Nelson's ear doesn't guarantee that God can get past human bias or that all 15 will agree just as they wanted to overturn the priesthood ban for years but because all 15 were not in agreement they could not do it. God is working on humble seekers of truth to exonerate an innocent man of accusations that he fought up until his death. He is working on all who will heed his voice to bring the truth to light so that the prophecy of good and evil being spoken of won't be fulfilled by the members of the church Joseph founded.
@GameDevFox
@GameDevFox Месяц назад
Michelle Stone condemns Jacob's family and labels their practice as unrighteous because their family was "dysfunctional". By that same reasoning, she would ALSO have to condemn Lehi's family (who where all monogamous) who where even MORE dysfunctional than Jacob's, to the point that two of the siblings repeatedly rebelled against their own family and even attempted murder on more than one occasion.
@GameDevFox
@GameDevFox Месяц назад
To some degree, Michelle Stone makes the assumption that affliction is directly correlated to wickedness. She has the same misunderstanding of gospel principles as those diciples in the New Testament who asked our Savior "... who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” (John 9:2)
@bcmountainusa
@bcmountainusa 2 месяца назад
What is it about children of 1970s popular LDS music people? M Stone is actually Michelle Brady Stone, and she is the daughter of Janine (sp) Brady, who was a huge name in LDS music a while back (lots of self-esteem motivational stuff for kids and one tune that actually made it into the Primary music collection). Dr. Julie (DeAzevedo) Hanks, of similar philosophy, is the daughter of Lex De Azevedo, another LDS culture musical heavy from back in the day (Saturday's Warrior). Not sure what to make of all these children of LDS culture themed music royalty now going round the bend. Musician's kids going into Social Work and turning on their theological tradition.
@vendingdudes
@vendingdudes 2 месяца назад
26:40 the claim that Brigham Young "made up" Section 132 can likely be dismissed by stylometry. Has anyone heard of this being done to the D&C?
@godsoffspring4195
@godsoffspring4195 2 месяца назад
Michelle's theory doesn't fly. Lamech's sin wasn't polygamy... it was homosexuality according to Moses 5. :>)
@tamragoodrich6067
@tamragoodrich6067 2 месяца назад
Then sad story, God had to give David's wives to another, after David, lost his exaltation.
@jerry_phillips
@jerry_phillips 2 месяца назад
Her message definitely sells. She has over 100,000 subscribers now.
@emjames9865
@emjames9865 2 месяца назад
Apparently a large majority are paid for. The views aren't proportionate.
@ericbyers235
@ericbyers235 2 месяца назад
Perhaps you might actually look at her numbers and where they are from before you jump on that band wagon. Facts don't take sides.
@bcmountainusa
@bcmountainusa 2 месяца назад
What evidence is there that such numbers are actually representative of reality? (Electronics and technology can now be used to create a lot of supposedly "very realistic" things). The Adversary is a liar, and can influence those who choose his methods and goals to do likewise.
@jerry_phillips
@jerry_phillips 2 месяца назад
I’m not on her side btw. I’m very much against her position. I’m just looking at the number of her subscribers.
@jerry_phillips
@jerry_phillips 2 месяца назад
@@bcmountainusa Are you suggesting when it says 108K subscribers that somehow that's a hacked number? Someone hacked into RU-vid like Farris Bueller and pumped up the number? I'd buy her bogus theories on polygamy before I'd buy that.
@larrywright1589
@larrywright1589 2 месяца назад
When used improperly, 26:12 plural marriage is an abomination, GOD uses it for proper reasons and is under HIS Santeion.
@tamragoodrich6067
@tamragoodrich6067 2 месяца назад
Elijah and the priests of Baal I think you are talking about.
@davidmalvinalexander
@davidmalvinalexander 2 месяца назад
Exactly right. Brain Freeze...talking extemporaneously for an hour...it happens now and then.
@justiningham187
@justiningham187 2 месяца назад
Good video, the only issue is that I'm pretty sure the Polygamist Lamech was a bad guy though. There were two people named Lamech one from Cain, the other from Seth. Lamech the polygamist was the descendant of, and successor of Cain, being just as evil as, if not worse than, his predecessor. "And Cain said: Truly I am Mahan, the master of this great secret, that I may murder and get gain. Wherefore Cain was called Master Mahan, and he gloried in his wickedness." -Moses 5:31 "And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah: Hear my voice, ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech; for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech shall be seventy and seven fold; For Lamech having entered into a covenant with Satan, after the manner of Cain, wherein he became Master Mahan, master of that great secret which was administered unto Cain by Satan; and Irad, the son of Enoch, having known their secret, began to reveal it unto the sons of Adam; Wherefore Lamech, being angry, slew him, not like unto Cain, his brother Abel, for the sake of getting gain, but he slew him for the oath’s sake." -Moses 5:46-50 "Wherefore the Lord cursed Lamech, and his house, and all them that had covenanted with Satan; for they kept not the commandments of God, and it displeased God, and he ministered not unto them, and their works were abominations, and began to spread among all the sons of men. And it was among the sons of men. And among the daughters of men these things were not spoken, because that Lamech had spoken the secret unto his wives, and they rebelled against him, and declared these things abroad, and had not compassion; Wherefore Lamech was despised, and cast out, and came not among the sons of men, lest he should die." -Moses 5:52-54
@magnashield8604
@magnashield8604 2 месяца назад
It's interesting, the entire story of Lamech sheds light on what his sin was. There is the obvious murder to for the sake of the oath he had made with Satan, but it also tells us what part of that oath was. Earlier in the chapter it says that Adam knew his wife, Eve, and that she bore sons and daughters. So the definition of "to know" someone is set forth in the chapter. Later we read: 51 For, from the days of Cain, there was a secret combination, and their works were in the dark, and they knew every man his brother. 52 Wherefore the Lord cursed Lamech, and his house, and all them that had covenanted with Satan;... 53 And among the daughters of men these things were not spoken, because that Lamech had spoken the secret unto his wives, and they rebelled against him, and declared these things abroad, and had not compassion; So Lamech, knowing his brothers is what he told his wives about. They were disgusted by it and told everyone about what Lamech had done.
@justiningham187
@justiningham187 2 месяца назад
@magnashield8604 oh, I never thought of it that way, I just thought they knew each other in the "We know who is on pur team and who isn't" kinda way. But you are right, that is so much worse than I thought.
@awiley8711
@awiley8711 2 месяца назад
That's something I too never considered. Not sure that's a correct translation, but if so, it certainly adds to the condemnation of homosexuality.
@sethstewart1566
@sethstewart1566 2 месяца назад
With regards to Michelle's ridiculous claim that plural marriage only ever causes drama and heartache: By the same logic, Lehi and Sariah's marriage was abominable, because just look at how their two eldest sons turned out. Same deal for Adam and Eve. Even the best families had drama, and yet they turned out alright. If there is drama on your family, take heart. God exalted some who came from, and were parties to such "drama".
@joannewby5889
@joannewby5889 2 месяца назад
This is why we have a savior… for all troubled Families.. God saw it, He knew no families would be perfect. Blessed be the Name of the Lord!
@Debbie62
@Debbie62 2 месяца назад
Granted, we are to follow the 10 commandments and not commit adultery or kill. However, Father and Son make the rules and They get to change them whenever they want to. The same way that the angel commanded Nephi to kill Laban. Moreover, Joseph fought against the idea, but an angel told him that either he do as he had been commanded or he [the angel] would slay him with his sword. I may be naive, but it sounds to me like Father was deadly serious, and He expected results, or He would find someone else to do the job.
@lindamartinez7006
@lindamartinez7006 2 месяца назад
After looking into this angel who was going to kill JS if he did but marry the young girl . That is only second and third hand accounts . We do not and will not go by second and third hand accounts . JS himself never says this story . Not his words and not his writings on it either . Supposedly one of his supposedly wives claims he says those angel story . There is no first hand account of it none .
@CrackedCandy
@CrackedCandy 2 месяца назад
Just wow
@amandaparkin1718
@amandaparkin1718 2 месяца назад
Abraham married Keturah and they had I think 6 sons. Though not polygamous on earth I am sure she is also his wife in heaven.
@Nikkiotero
@Nikkiotero 2 месяца назад
💥💥💥💥💥💪💪💪💪
@Kait272
@Kait272 2 месяца назад
Where did God command polygamy in the Bible?
@davidmalvinalexander
@davidmalvinalexander 2 месяца назад
Listen to the video...it answers your question. If you don't want to bother to listen to the video, don't expect an answer in the comments section.
@Kait272
@Kait272 2 месяца назад
@@davidmalvinalexander Chapter and verse would suffice.
@PeppermintZeal
@PeppermintZeal 2 месяца назад
God commanded Hagar to return to her polygamous lifestyle, that can definitely be seen as a command. God told David He gave all of His wives to Him, that could also be seen as a command. God doesn't condemn polygamy in the Bible. He sometimes calls for monogamy, but he certainly doesn't condemn sanctioned polygamy (like Abraham, David (before the Bathsheba mess), Jacob, Moses, etc...)
@Kait272
@Kait272 2 месяца назад
@@PeppermintZeal chapter and verse…… where god commanded polygamy? Better yet - where does he sanction it? Chapter and verse please. God also doesn’t condemn slavery and insest- does that make those things Godly?
@Brother-Jacob
@Brother-Jacob 2 месяца назад
@@Kait272 God did forbid marrying close relatives in the law of Moses. Of course, He didn’t forbid it from the beginning, or Adam and Eve wouldn’t have had grandchildren. I don’t think these things are as black-and-white as you’re making them out to be.
@tamragoodrich6067
@tamragoodrich6067 2 месяца назад
It was a spiritual wrestle i believe Jacob had with God or Christ.
@francoisrobillard3164
@francoisrobillard3164 2 месяца назад
i will sstand at the bar of god against that vwoman, god still today arrange mariages. ,enven to men that are already seal to more than one. i know im one of them.
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