And there's a book out called the reporter who knew too much. the mysterious death of Dorothy that I'm listening to on Audible right now. She sounds like an amazing lady and she was super rich
Yeah, and generations to come will call the days we're now living in, the days when life was simpler, better. In the mid-1900's, simpler and better living was before them. Each era has its positives and negatives. For example, now there is overall less homophobia, but overall we have more young people who don't want to work. The bigotry was worse then, but the work ethic was much better than it is today. Just my personal observations.
Gary Thanks So much, During the current times, these Old Todman/Goodson Shows are so Nice to escape to! A time when Class and decorum were the Fashion.
@Michael Rube The smoking singers you cite as examples could not sing very well in their later years. All of them eventually suffered as a result of smoking. In addition to losing their vibrato voices, they developed major trouble with breathing. Have you ever experienced that? It sucks.
So glad we no longer have commercials for those cancer sticks...and there are no smokers on TV.....Wonder what happened to all those actors who did the ads on TV...I heard the Malboro Man died of lung cancer...
I've written it yesterday in another comment abot Edward Bernays' recycled propaganda and how he used it's principles for marketing. It's in the documentary The Century Of The Self. You can find it on RU-vid. Bernays also wrote a book titled Propaganda.
Salems were menthol cigarettes and menthal, naturally, opened the airways ;-) If you are not familiar with menthol, think eucaliptos or a strong peppermint. Personally, I thought menthol cigarettes were disgusting, Cool was another brand of menthol cigarettes, just like Salems, disgusting menthol smoke. I smoked for 40 years and was chain smoking 4 packs a day when I quit cold turkey over 20 years ago. Hardest thing I ever did too. Let no one tell you it was not physically addicting because it absolutely was. First week I was pale as a sheet, breaking into cold sweats and vomiting with withdrawal.
She was an alcoholic and drug addict who had been in rehab more than once. She died of an overdose, not killed for saying she would reveal the killer of JFK. She made that claim and 2 years went by and not a word out of her on the subject. If they were going to knock her off they would have done so 2 years before she died. I can't believe the amount of misinformation surrounding Kilgallen.
You mean when Tom Posten asked her, “isn’t Budd Collier poised next to John Daley?” And Dorothy never even looked at him, kept her head down with a lethal look on her face?
Dorothy showing a little bust! I saw a taping of 'Newhart" in 1986 - my mother was an extra and we had lunch with the cast. I remember Tom Poston really digging into the grub. Great memories.
LOVE to see this show come back! Even the ones who were NOT the real opera singer, were well informed on their subjects! JOSE ? that's a cute one! We're all out here thinking in Spanish-and She knew it was different in ITALIAN! VERY good!
I loved watching these shows with my aunt. When school was out I watched the night time shows. I believe that's why I love Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune.
Dorothy Kilgallen wasn't really known here in the UK but I am a huge fan of What's My Line and it is because so many USA editions exist as opposed to hardly any of the BBC, I gravitated here. She was a real TV star and personality and this is also a good programme. We too did several versions of this show with titles ranging from Tell the Truth to Cuckoo In The Nest. And I've never seen Mr Carson with dark hair.
@@dancegxy7757, wow..how? I just found out, nevermind. Hit job..it took them years, but they got the guy who commissioned it. Debts are onerous in more ways than one.
Wow. Dorothy Kilgallen and Mickey Thompson on the same program. Dorothy died in November 1965 .A death most people consider a homicide. 25 years later Mickey and his wife were brutally murdered. Each a legend in their respective trades.
@@skipeastport5529 I looked over the research after I heard that somehow she was involved with the Kennedys and had something to do with her knowing about who really killed JFK.
I was quite young in 1972. My old man co signed for me to buy a 1972 Chevelle Malibu. I remember so vividly how I enjoyed that car and my Salem's. I gave up smoking in 1992. The Malibu is still with me and runs pretty well. I regret smoking, but I have never regretted the Chevelle. She's in the garage and since she's old, I only take her out in nice weather. Like Salem's, I take the old Chevy out when it's springtime fresh outside!
I too had a '72 Malibu. Still the favorite car I had as a youth. Mine was "Forest Green" in color, with a 350 cu. in. V8 Well made, I remember seeing them still cruising around in the late 1980's!
I am shocked to see that I watched this episode 11 months ago - but it does make me feel better now about not remembering the details. This is a very lively episode, made particularly fun by both Dorothy and Johnny Carson. Tom was as cute as ever, and of course, Dina is always so classy and elegant. The contestants and impostors are all very good here. Thanks as always TTTT curator!
Glad you enjoyed it, Vicki! I never remember the details of these shows after the fact. I'm sure I've seen the vast majority of TTTT episodes already from when GSN was rerunning them, but they all may as well be brand new to me at this point!
What's My Line? I thought that might be the case due to the low number of views. It's not the first screw up I've encountered on You Tube. I just scrolled through the playlist, past all the private and deleted stuff and voila, there it was.
MarcBrewer Ah, okay, I understand now. Thanks very much for explaining-- I know what to do to correct this now. I don't want to make this video public until I'm ready to launch the new channel for To Tell the Truth (I expect within the next week or two). You got a sneak peak. :)
In this period, NBC announced that Johnny Carson would in October replace Jack Paar as the host of the NBC Tonight Show. He's was amusing on WML and very amusing here.
I remember, when Johnny is asked how long he thinks he'll do the Tonight Show, he answers, "Oh, probably a couple of years." I think he did it 30 years.
This is the point in TTTT history when Johnny Carson was a regular nighttime panelist for a few months and was still hosting the ABC daytime game show "Who Do You Trust?". He had already been named at this point as the next host of the Tonight Show (see his WML MG appearance of 2/11/62) but had to wait out the end of his ABC contract before he could start. "Who Do You Trust" had also at one time immediately followed the daytime version of "Beat The Clock", hosted by Bud Collyer on ABC (that show's run had ended in 1960).
At about 15:10 Bud says something about parting hair and I think he says - parting the hair in the middle and wearing it in buns curled around your ears. Princess Leia's hair style mentioned 15 years before Star Wars. Mickey Thompson and his wife would be murdered in their driveway in 1988 - his business partner being responsible and convicted.
Tom Poston's crack about John Daly went over like a stone shoe...he was looking for Dorothy to laugh or say *something* but she didn't flinch and there was dead silence. Kind of weird.
john p "isn't bud poised next to john daly?" lol, dorothy didn't even look at him. poston would be a panelist on wml 3 months later, they seemed to be very cordial, and no mention of the crack. i wonder if it got back to daly. poston would come back a little over a year later and they seemed to have trouble looking at each other, (my impression) upon introduction, who knows, dorothy had a lot of drama around her with her wide ranging newspaper column.
@@tomitstube ... it seemed to me that after Tom Poston said it, he did look toward her but Dorothy Kilgallen seemed to be focusing on the paperwork or whatever was in front of her. It just looked like Dorothy Kilgallen was concentrating and that she probably didn’t even hear the comment.
Mickey Thompson, the third guest here, was murdered along with his wife twenty-six years almost exactly after this broadcast, in a case that went unsolved until 2001.
@@ellemathews9840 he was sent to prison and he lost his appeal he still in jail today. His name was Mike Goodwin. He ordered the killing. He escaped the Caribbean
Twice during the peak of her operatic career, Theresa Stratas cancelled things and worked with Mother Theresa helping the sick adults and also specifically children who were dying of AIDS! What a wonderful lady!
It's so unbelievable that cigarettes were a considered a great prize considering what we know now about their dangers. Johnny Carson was quoted as saying about cigarettes, "These things are killing me" and later he said, "Those damn cigarettes," shortly before he died from respiratory failure caused by emphysema. Very sad.
Many comments about the harmful effects of cigarette smoking here, justifiably so. I've lost several friends, heavy smokers, to lung cancer. Not to mention the harm to others who had to live with them. However, as usual "there are exceptions to every rule"...my dear old Dad smoked constantly, ate meat and few greens or vegetables, drank liquor every day, ran a successful business...and lived to 96! But I still cringe mentally with every carton presented as a "prize." And I think Dorothy is terrific on this show!
Johan Bengtsson That's a remarkable coincidence! And since I see you commenting, I know that you know the new TTTT postings are starting on Monday. :) I hope you like the show well enough to be a regular commenter!
To Tell the Truth (CBS) Can't wait! :)It felt strange to watch when you're used to WML and, as I wrote in another comment, I wonder if the show wouldn't have been even better if the audience would have known the answers. I think so. And I took an instant dislike to Tom Poston! Not promising for the future episodes...
“These old game shows are so fun to watch! But the commercials were pretty funny: “Flavorful, soft and fresh”. I’ve never heard cigarettes described like that before.
Regarding the foreign language question, it might've been considered a "demonstration" question, since the contestant would be demonstrating her foreign language skills. TTTT never allowed contestants to physically demonstrate anything during questioning.
Just wanted to say thanks again for all your hard work so we can enjoy & of course I subbed your TTTT channel...:I'll be telling all my friends just like I did here :-)
Dorothy is good on "What's My Line?" but is out of place on a TTTT panel. They never caught on that the audience was laughing at the tiny "1" she wrote on her card with the first panel.
We don’t know the audience was laughing at that. Dorothy plays the game just fine. If she had trouble transitioning from What’s My Line to other game shows, why did Goodson-Todman Productions book her on so many of them? In 1961, Dorothy appeared on Play Your Hunch as well as the daytime Password. Both were produced by Goodson-Todman.
besides, she wasn't the only one anyway to write a small number on the ballet (I remember when one of the panelists did it too, and it wasn't even THAT long ago)
@@kristabrewer9363 The fact that she wasn't the only one to ever do that doesn't make it any less funny to tonight's audience. I agree with CrazyWedz above, it WAS cute. I even chuckled myself.
Teresa Stratas was so young here... & relatively unknown. Today she is retired but nothing less than extremely & deservedly famous. Arguably the best Violetta, dramatically speaking.
By the way, a Dramatic Soprano is the biggest voiced of the Sopranos and has to sing over larger orchestration in the works of Wagner and a few other composers. A Mezzo is actually a Mezzo-Soprano who is lower than a soprano...and sometimes sings the even lower women's parts for Contraltos.
My sister has a 1937 edition of "Time" magazine. There is an ad in it for Lucky Strike cigarettes. It shows a pic of a doctor (white coat, stethoscope hanging on his neck, saying "I recommend smoking Luckies....they calm the nerves and aid digestion"!
At the time, the show was sponsored on alternate weeks by R.J. Reynolds [Salem], and American Home Products- on behalf of their various subsidiaries, including Whitehall Laboratories [Anacin, Dristan] and Boyle-Midway [Easy-Off, AerOwax, et. al.]. Stan Sawyer speaks for Salem......
I wouldn't say entirely out of her element, but understandably when you're so used to one game, it might be a bit tricky to adjust, but she got it together and was "in the game" by the 2nd round.
@@kelloggs5473 She didn't say anything about her LOOKS! but no, I wouldn't say she out of her element either. Dorothy's like Betty White, I'll take her on ANY game show
I was struck by a couple of comments revealed here, which I had never considered before: 1. I had always thought that a good way to unearth an impostor who was supposed to know a foreign language, or several of them, was to ask him/her to say something in that language/those languages. Now I discover that this was verboten under the rules of TTTT. 2. Not being an opera fan, I'd never considered the fact that the name "Don José" in Bizet's opera would have been pronounced in the French way, instead of the Spanish, since the libretto was in French. (There is a long poem by Lord Byron called "Don Juan," and the title of that work is pronounced as if it were in English.) Regarding my first point, can someone tell me if the same taboo about foreign languages also applied to the other shows produced by Goodson-Toddman?
+519DJW Well, the name; "Vincent van Gogh" is pronounced differently in almost every European language, only Dutch people pronounce the name as they do...... believe me... anyway Don Juan in Spanish or in French sounds equally marvelous, and understandably enough. Cheers !
+519DJW I didn't know about the forbidden foreign language rule until I saw this clip either. It has me thinking of an episode featuring a stockbroker moonlighting as a Japanese singer, I found it curious that the panelists didn't ask the challengers the English meaning of some Japanese words, particularly Tom Poston who knew some Japanese. It turned out it wasn't necessary as the impostors knew nothing about the stock market while the panelists were all savvy on the subject.
Actually in the begining of this game show in 1957 the panel asked a contestant, if they could pronounce a phrase in spanish and it was allowed. I guess they made the rule about not being allowed to say words in another language later. And also when one from the panel knew a contestant, they still voted and were allowed to ask question of the contestants. This changed of course later too.
Thanks for this information about the change in rules. Do you have a link to any of the early shows that were aired before it became taboo to ask about foreign languages--or, even more surprisingly, when a panelist could vote for a contestant he/she already knew?
Kinda spooky that the 2nd slate of contestants were hairdressers, considering that one of the last people Dorothy K. spoke with before she [ahem] “died” a few years later was her hairdresser.
Why is that “spooky?” There were and are hairdressers - makeup artists, fashion designers, personal assistants and everything else around millions of people everywhere who’ve died having been seen in the same company beforehand. There’s nothing to draw any conclusions about with any of it.
That foreign language disqualification in game one was one of the more embarrassing Dorothy incidents on TV, live or otherwise; if the G-T production staff had been into editing videotape in 1962, it could have been deleted. The "What's My Line?" production staff had instruction-practice sessions available for guest panelists. I assume TTTT also had such sessions for guest panelists. Either Dorothy forgot the rules or [to paraphrase words of Gil Fates] was too busy to avail herself of a session.
At 27:06 the hug the mother gave the girl was looped to male it last longer. It looked very odd, a gif before it's time? Also, what was up with the audience? They seemed to be laughing at nothing. High on all that fresh Salem air I guess.
Johan Bengtsson I think they made the right call. Of the three major G-T panel shows, TTTT was the strongest as a pure game (WML wasn't much more than a variant of "20 Questions", and IGAS was hardly a game at all.), so I think it makes a lot of sense that this is the show where the audience had to play along with the panel. The fun of being in on the contestant lines on WML was in watching the panel get lost, or ask inadvertently silly questions with unintended meanings. That kind of thing doesn't really happen on TTTT, so knowing who the impostors were in advance wouldn't add the same the sort of layer of entertainment that being in on the secret did with WML (and IGAS, for that matter). All it would really give you is the ability to better gauge how good the liars were, and what would be lost, the element of playing along, is a big part of the appeal of the show. That's my take.
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