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@@mjak993 No I don't. This show was as about as good as episodic TV ever got.

Did you get that time right? Because it's a horrible analogy. The Taliban didn't try to exterminate the citizens of Afghanistan.

@@Stolpmeister The part with "terrorism always fails" also looks dumb as hell after afghanistan

​@@Stolpmeistertake a closer look at the superpower who created the Taliban in the first place

@@johnbowden4761 Even then it was dumb as hell. The Good Friday agreement was 3 years old.

@@omnibeet true! very good point

Don't be too quick to thank them. These little nuggets are an attempt to generate new interest in the series and get people to buy a season, or the entire run.

@@tomscott4438 ok

Exactly, thank you for that reminder. I was not a fan of the West Wing, but did catch that episode. The short version for others that are unfamiliar with this story, it’s from the Book of Genesis. Abraham (Abram) was childless. His wife Sarah (Sara) was around 77 years old, in the words of Scripture, “well past childbearing age”. Sarah felt that God prevented her from bearing children to her beloved husband. Sarah had an Egyptian slave named Hagar. Sarah told Abraham to “visit” Hagar after which Hagar bore Abraham a male child who was named Ishmael. Ishmael was the apple of his father’s eye (American slang) and Abraham doted on the young boy. Because of this favoritism, Hagar became more bold with Abraham’s attention. When Abraham was 99 years old God sent and Angel to tell Abraham that he will bear the progenitor of a chosen people, however, that will not be the descendants of Ishmael. The Angel told him that child will be borne of Sarah who was already 90. Abraham didn’t believe that, neither did Sarah who overheard what was said. Sarah laughed at the notion, hence the name Isaac. Sarah grew jealous of Hagar and Ishmael within their household and demanded that Abraham send Ishmael and Hagar away. This trouble Abraham because he loved his son. God reassured Abraham that Ishmael would also be the progenitor of a great people of great numbers. So Abraham sent Hagar and Ishmael into the desert with only a few containers of water. When the water was gone, Hagar pleaded with God to save Ishmael. God reassured Hagar and opened a huge well and oasis for them. Ishmael married an Egyptian woman when he became of age and his descendants went on to become the Semitic people of the MidEast (other than the Jews). Abbey Bartlett, the First Lady, explained this story to the young interns (much shorter version). She concluded by telling them the fractious relationship between the Muslims and the Jews boils down to basically a family feud. Both great people (the Christians being the “wild branch” of Judaism - Romans 11) have Abraham as the original Father of their Faith. That, my Friends, explains the great hostility and might give those that NEVER went to Sunday School the historical context of today’s events.

JFK said it as "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

It’s getting harder and harder to see it that way.

It is not.

It didnt even age well when it aired. Terrorism is wildly successful. As an Irishman, I would point to the fact that 100 years ago we lived under british rule and now do not.

The whole episode was written from a "rah-rah America" point of view when, in fact, terrorism was successful multiple times and not all gang members were consenting of being in a gang or proud of doing so (i.e. Charlie's little speech).

@@realitycheck8321 As a result of the Irish War of Independence, not terrorism per se. Granted, the IRA committed acts which could be characterized as terrorism both before and during the course of the conflict, but then again so did the RIC (and later the Black & Tans), and to a far greater degree. Even as an Englishman I would call it an example of a successful campaign of asymmetrical warfare waged by irregular / paramilitary troops against an occupying force, rather than terrorism as we understand it today.

@@Simian-bz7zo When this "asymmetric warfare" was taking place, what do you think the crown referred to it as? That's right. They called it terrorism.

​@@realitycheck8321 Probably, but then again they also called the entirety of Ireland British Sovereign Territory. Strange that you, as an Irishman, should so readily accept the labels the British Government applied to those who fought and died to secure the independence you enjoy today.

The aqueduct's pretty nice

Less inconsistent than one might think. I’ve come to know several people with doctorates with notable blind spots like that. It comes with specialization sometimes.

There'd be a lot less risk if the ?pizza place" wasn't built on land taken from others by force.

@@ZekeUlreykind of an interesting perspective, commenting on a video about terrorism …

@@hexistenz what is colonialism if not terrorism carried out by a state?

The Crusaders could hire the Assassins because they needed money to defend their Shiite sect (the Nizari Isma’ili) from the main Shiite sect(s). They still exist. They are now notorious for running hospitals in the Islamic world and their previous leader/Iman marrying Rita Hayworth.

Why?

Nor should it...

the secondary story is even worse, showing Leo being prejudicial against and arab man who works in the white house and just happens to have the same name as a person of interest.

@@potterpotty01 And as with Josh's single final comment to Billy that's supposed to excuse his earlier bad behavior, Leo's line "Way to be back at your desk" is supposed to make up for his (out of character) racism and xenophobia. If Sorkin's point was that, under the circumstances, people react irrationally, I don't think it worked particularly well.

They are students selected to meet the president and the Whitehouse is on lockdown for some reason concerning terrorism. So they are just learning different perspectives on terrorism while they wait for the lockdown to lift and meet the president.

Not all Palestinians are Hamas, Palestine is more than Hamas.

"... Americans are protesting in favour of Hamas" - the fact that you don't even have the balls to accurately describe what it is they're *actually* protesting is proof in and of itself that you're absolutely full of it. Israel is murdering foreign aid workers, denying food and medicine to woman and children and bombing civilian infrastructure and you wanna call them "peace loving" lmao. Legit clown-tier take.

it's quite possible to be anti war, anti netenyahu, anti kidnapping people but still believe the Plalestinian people do not deserve what is happening to them. tere are just as many anti hamas Palestinians as there are anti war Isrealies. your statement of saying america is protesting in favour of Hamas is false and inflamatory. the one thing Sam says is right, the more they try and eliminate Hamas, the more civilians killed by Isreal, the more they will embolden support against Isreal.

@@ohpurpled Palestinians in Gaza are Hamas. they voted for them. Teachers, doctors and UN staff -they hide hostages in their homes. HAMAS.

Yes, there was, and in this very episode. That was the whole point of Leo's scenes.

If the KKK had the means to terrorize larger groups of black people, I'm sure they'd relish the opportunity. It certainly helps that there weren't enough black people to fight back. Islamic Terrorism is rooted in an interpretation of the Quran the same way Christian terrorism is rooted in a different interpretation of the Bible. The historical context of both are too entirely different to talk about in a meaningful way. But just because the KKK was "targeting small groups and individuals" doesn't mean they weren't using the Bible as justification.

"Never used against entire populations"? You've clearly never heard of the Tulsa Massacre.

I am not that knowledgeable about ancient sicariis but it modern history terrorism itself has 100 failure rate. In your reply u somewhat miss the point that thing 1 happening after thing 2 doesn't mean it happened because of it. Al qaeda and its subsidiaries terrorized pretty much every part of the globe and achieved nothing. Isis did the same thing and achieved nothing. But those who transform themselves from the ways of harm and become politicians instead of murderers can than build more or less functioning society. Like they did it in Afghanistan. Ireland btw is not good example imo. To much fringe groups battling not outsiders but themselves inside the country.

Doubtful.

No, the state of Israel was founded by Jews from Israel and many other countries fleeing persecution. The British were warned about the bomb in the King David and chose to ignore it. And YAWN... always the historically incorrect Dir Yassin citation. The only thing that is "utterly preposterous" is your flawed statement.

Exactly the opposite of what this episode was

Not even close, and this clip (like this show) have aged very well. They weren't bashing islam, just pointing out that ANY religion (when radicalized) can be dangerous and destructive. Look what's being done in India and the radicalization of hindu, or America with the radical Christian right. Justifying violence in the name of god, is timeless.

you are so wrong, and you can see by the first example they mention the KKK. They talk about how muslims are good people but the radicals are the ones doing these acts.

Clearly never seen the episode lmao

watch the episode again. you've forgotten it.