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Yea you're right, and I think the reason for her call was because she noticed more spin than not. I think this is clean though, he was square and the ball really didn't even complete a full rotation.
First call was correct. The attack needs to perpendicular with the shoulders and go straight. The player puts it a bit to the side. Edit. and some also point to the spin on the ball which is another issue and can be an indicator of double touch.
That first call was tough. Ref could have gone 50/50 and Todd should have known it wasn't the cleanest contact. He wasn't exactly fully square and balanced when he made contact with the ball.
in professional volleyball, like the fivb, it doesnt matter whether you set your teammate, overhand receive or overhand play the ball to the other team. equally, in all cases, you can not hold/carry (lift) the ball or double touch it.also double touches may not be called just because of the ball spinning, the ref must actually see a double touch. one difference however is that an overhand attack hit has to be played in a line perpenticular to an imaginary line connecting your shoulders.
If you watch where he contacts the ball it's actually pretty low, as in he takes the ball below the level of his forehead and almost at his chin (which generally makes for a lift). On the other hand, the wrist action is really fast, he's square to the net and the contact is clean. Although the call is definitely debatable I don't think she was wrong exactly in calling it a lift. Anyways, he certainly seems to over-react although I guess we don't know how critical a point that was... (And the second call was just bs)
I have never played with a referee that wouldn't call a ball played with your hands under your chin a lift. Beach rules may be more lax than indoor but they're not non-existent.
To clarify - in beach, rules regarding how long you're allowed to hold the ball are more "lax". If you set a ball indoor like you set on the beach you'd probably by called for a lift. I realize that two-touch calls are way stricter on the beach. But you said "You can play the ball under your chin" - so I said they were more "lax" meaning sure you can contact the ball lower on a volley on the beach than in indoor, but you can't take it from under your chin, that's an exaggeration.
The spin of the ball has nothing to do with committing a double contact. It is clearly explained the FIVB referee handbook. I think it was called because the path of the ball doesn't appear to be completely straight with regards to the line of the shoulders or because a double touch was actually seen by the ref
Watch it again, she called a lift, not a double... and the rule for setting over the net yes is that the shoulders must be lined up but it has to be obvious that they are not for that call to be made.
agreed. but setting a ball over the net is different than setting a ball to your team. at least it is in all the tournaments & leagues i've played in. over the net needs 0 spin while to your own team you are allowed a slight rotation.
Calling hands is tough. The first one could have gone either way, but the line call was horrible. This lady is probably just some volleyball fan who was never good enough to compete at any serious level; so she somehow she certified as a ref. Let'a hope they keep her on the outer courts.
you are right the ref calls a carried ball but that actually seems a bit weird as the ball is immediately shot out by wrists motion. A double might have been a more acceptable call imho
I saw the ball come out with a significant amount of spin though. I know it's legal to do that but i don't think the ball can come out with that much spin. right?
Haha how could he NOT get a yellow for this? :D Anyway it was definitely a double hit, but not a carried ball, whats up with that call? :S Maybe she just got nervous when he started shouting so she wasn't concentrated.
That's how I would have set over the net and if it's a double for me...it's a double for Rogers. Setting the ball over the net requires 0 spin, he had at least 3/4 of a rotation
the first ball is an elemental fault for his volleyball level... it is pretty obvious his turning torso. The second ball hahahahahahaha ref took her chances hahahaha
