Is there an argument to be made that he actually would've gotten more money by leading the turn? After it goes check check on the flop, Dwan could be leading out with really any pair, then Ivey could be the one raising. Then Tom could either come back over the top or better yet, check the river to Ivey and then go for the check raise after Ivey goes for value?
@@joelavalle7313 this assumes Dwan has the same information you have while watching the video. There are a lot of hands that would check back the turn, as Bart mentioned, which would subsequently lead to a significantly smaller value bet on the river. Checking the turn planning on check-raising the river is obviously not going to happen, so I would say leading out on the turn is Dwan's best bet.
Bart's mistake was that he was looking at the 21k bet as a percentage of the pot including that 21k bet (48k) rather than what the pot was before the bet (28k).
Remember when Ivey and Dwan created the biggest pot and they both had a straight? I'll let you watch it and not tell you who had the longer straight xD
@@Pokarface7 Ivey lost that hand. Really unlucky for Ivey and really lucky for Dwan. They both hit a straight in a heads up pot, so an All-In was inevitable.
Hey Bart, back to the preflop call from Dwan. I believe part of the logic behind a 3b/fold strategy results from sims done for a 100bb eff. high rake online environment, and this is a 200+bb eff. no-rake game with an ante. Do you have any insight into how that change in structure affects preflop strategy from the blinds? I think that with better pot odds due to ante+no rake shifts the strategy to where playing some calls makes sense. OOP is also incentivized to generally keep pots small this deep, and it also doesn't help that the IP player is Phil Ivey 😂. Any thoughts?
I have no idea whether you're right or not but your logic makes a lot of sense. Its situations like this in which I dont think the poker world has learnt how to use solvers as well as say the chess community has with engines.
Its a pretty slick check raise here. I actually like Dwan's river sizing, because he cannot really polarize his hand at this point. He wants a call from a Myriad of holdings
Suited kings are a problem hand, because of this type of situation. You make too many costly second best hands. Here it is trips with the weaker kicker. Often it is the second nut flush. These hands lose a ton of money when they are beaten but often can’t get full value when they are ahead.
Imo all cards not containing an ace, is a pocket pair, suited connector, gapper or suited broadway is a bad hand, and is more often than not dominated by a better hand, and struggle to make a premium hand.
Yes!I think the rule of having to 3bet or fold marginal hands from SB is too simplistic.These days people aren’t raise folding much pre. You’ll end up out of position in a bloated pot with a mediocre hand,not good
@@andrewmcvey7696 durr is certainly capable lol i do think Ivey can be raising with almost any two suited cards from the CO with no preflop raises. 77, 99, 86s, etc
Based on the line and Ivey’s bet and call after Dwan raised him on the turn, I like the bet by Dwan on the river. Ivey could’ve easily had a full house or pocket 7’s etc.
Hey man, i hope you‘re allright. I usually enjoy your videos and your analysis. You come across kinda emotionless on this one. And please try saying ‚here‘ less often. Anyways, interesting hand. I think post is fine. Was surprised by the call from the small blind. Would have been interesting to know who was in the BB. Maybe Tom tried to keep him in.
