Tomorrow's World - Compact Disc 

Whether it will take off remains to be seen....the man says....lol

4K Blurays, anyone?

I have some.

Physical media can't be hacked, it can't be made a victim of ransomware, a virus can't take it down, a hacker can't delete it, if the company goes under, no worries, your music and movies are still going to work, and the physical act of touching and playing it makes the music seem more personal, more real. Now, don't get me wrong, Music in the cloud is great, you can take it anywhere, and you don't have lug around discs and tapes, but to rely 100% on it is dangerous and stupid. About 4K Blu Ray's, if you want the best, uncompressed images, they're it, you just can't get the same via broadcast.

I use streaming services cause I love them because you have unrestricted access to millions of songs with a low subscription price, but for my most precious music I still buy CDs and, as vinyls got into fashion, I'm toying with an idea of buying them in that format as well. It's as you said reality and satisfaction coming with them that's the best.

I'm a giant and I find that they make excellent sequins.

Also in some countries people believed that it can reflect speed radars if hanged on the mirror in the car. I'm not sure if it worked.

@@toddblanks the lead singer of the group M covered himself with them for the 1989 remix of 'Pop Musik' on TOTP. I always remember that

Ot you can use them as frishbees ,ahahaha.

I remember those words. Pity the damn things were so expensive in those days. Things changed in a later time, and it became a case of "how many copies would you like?"

TheLegendaryDoc was there ever a market ?

Nearly 40 years later and even with the internet CDs are still selling pretty well

@@mrcaboosevg6089 yes, they sold 12 last week alone.

@@RB747domme I know plenty of people that still use them, they're older people sure but they still buy them. Supermarkets wouldn't still carry them if there wasn't a market

I agree. If I'm paying to listen to music I want hard copy.

Couldn't agree more .

sounds as good as it did the day it was printed.

Now the idiots are blaming cd rot for their cds not working. I have 3,600 cds and not one has cd rot.

@moonage daydream Bollocks. Vinyl depends on a diamond-tipped stylus to read the sound, so no matter _how_ preciously you look after vinyl, it degrades a little _every time it's played_ simply by the process of friction and erosion.

I don't have to worry about scratches. But I'm careful about how I handle my discs.

I worry

Exactly, which is why I view the resurgence of vinyl as a mug's game. It's not as good as a cd, never was, never could be.

I also have some pre-recorded cassettes, vinyl abums, 7 inch singles, 12 inch singles and a couple of mini discs but a lot of CD albums and singles (including enhanced ones that had extra content if played on a PC, see ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RkUAd5muUs4.html).

if it hasn't lasted that's down to mishandling it, you should always hold them at the edge, never let the surface touch anything, and they'll last years, my dad does this and has had some CDs for over 30 years he still plays often and they're in mint condition

One of the first CDs I got was 10cc Greatest Hits 1972-1978 which must have been in the early to mid 80s and the disc still plays fine today.

The is probably only in the plastic layer which you can just get resurfaced.

With CDs the label side is the vulnerable side because (usually) the label is the only thing protecting the CD's metallic layer. If the label gets scratched the actual CD data can be damaged. That's why I think part of the CD standard should have been to provide a protective coating on both sides of the CD. I still have my original CDs and they play just as well as the day I purchased them. Like others have mentioned, I only handle the CD by the edge and/or the center hole. I also avoid CD players that pull the CD into itself (like most car CD players). With those types of player, I prefer to play a burned CD rather than my original CD since I can always reburn it if it gets damaged.

I only once had a CD or CDROM become unreadable due to scratches, and that was when I let someone else mishandle it.

Unfortunately, not everyone has 20-gigabit/s (not Gigabyte/s) internet connections yet. I myself am sandwiched between Comcast/Xfinity and AT&T, both of which cost an arm, a leg, and a head with ancient connectivity (compared to that of South Korea, of Japan, and of the Netherlands), piss-poor customer service, and a bunch of packaged shit I just don't need (nor would I ever want to pay for) anyway; TV subscription packages - i NEVER pay for TV... EVER.... i believe i am a rebel in that way. I actually ended up with a lesser-known provider, which isn't as bad as either of those two.... but still offering me nowhere near the GOD-LIKE speeds of the other 3 countries I just mentioned, and nor offering me my currents service at anywhere near a comparable price. For this reason.... this BIG reason, I still opt for buying things locally in stores...... and as an absolute last resort: online (waiting for the truck to deliver it to my front door). I mean, it's not so bad when my pizza delivery happens to come at around the same time as the packages I've ordered...... THAT is a very good day!

@Blob B Dowloading a 1080p Mp4 is roughly 1.7gb in size. This usually takes a few minutes. Upgrade that dial up modem Mr Blob! 😂

Bisphurok Baruah asked about the track three weeks ago and I replied with the same answer, so I don't know why you did the same thing!

@@LarryDors LOL...For good measure, just in case. No harm in that. Great song.

I chuckled at that claim. Back then---I remember some idiot saying, ' you can jump up and down on them, spread jam on them too, etc ' Even fine scraches cause missed recorded material, and, oily finger marks. Obviously, being a BBC prog--the idea , staring them in the face, that this breakthrough in sound recording---lacked any commercial value, what-so-ever, was entirely expected, and nobody challenged that.

Until blu-ray

Yeah. I have some scratched so bad they wont play

@@p.g.j6323 Have you tried any of the tips at electronics.howstuffworks.com/repair-scratched-cd.htm? If you get a scratch on vinyl disc you really can't do anything, though!

😂😂😂

Oh, indeed. I could not agree more. Do yourself a favour and look up this video: Errors aren't forever m.m.v. Stan Baggen,Jack van Lint. It explains a lot of the techical processes and designing that went into the compact disc. Another person whose name is also associated a lot with the development is Kees Schouhammer Immink. Enjoy !

Mans low-key disrespecting the best audio format out there today.

Back then, even I thought it was the real future. As for 'Scratching them', along with other ludicrous claims of abuse. CD's need just as much care as Vinyl.

@@MrDaiseymay If you take a scratched cd that skips and wash it under the sink with some warm water and soap, it would help. Always seemed really weird to do like you would ruin it. But once it was dry it would play a lot better.

i hope so, these modern wonders of science can i buy one now ?

Because you treated them right, unless the lot of silly commentators which always sprout when discussing CDs.

They must have been smoking the good stuff, a cassette of the time would have put CD durability to shame

CDs are pretty durable and you have to scuff them up bad to render the useless. The main problem with CD's are the el cheapo players and will inadvertently skip for no seeming reason at all.

Well, you're half right. Small scratches won't affect the sound on a CD as much as it would on a vinyl record, but do you think record companies would reduce the price of albums that people would buy on CD to replace their vinyl versions? They are out to make money, not help the consumer!

@@LarryDors Haha, well I know that now, don`t I? When they came out we had no idea that they simply wouldn`t play if they were scratched. The average person had no idea how they worked. And no, as an adult I don`t think they would reduce the price. But, that is how they were marketed. That`s all I was saying

@@LarryDors That's because the laser focuses past the clear outer layer to the digital pits on the metallic substrate.

@@yixnorb5971 I would hope that we all know that CDs are read effectively from the inside out as the data is bounced from the innner layer out through the clear layer to the laser pick up (as Kieran sort of explains in the clip). The problem happens when the scratches on the surface causes the light to bounce back at an angle and not hit the receiver acurately, or not hit the right part of the data in the first place, both causing a drop in the music. I know that's not the right terms but you know what I mean!

That’s what I’ve heard. They were marketed as being nearly indestructible lol.

If you want one, Reverb.com have one for sale at only £491.16 plus £80.95 shipping from Annapolis, Maryland, USA!

It was the first CD manufactured so they didn't have much of a choice.

Better than the crap in the charts now. Even if it does sound like someone got kicked in the balls.

@@flecktarn4110 Well put

Is your vinyl collection any better?

@@LarryDors no one said vinyl doesn't scratch

They got scratched because of careless handling and storage probably. Same with vinyl records.

So you already have the vinyl album (stereo and mono versions), 8-Track cartridge, cassette, minidisc, remastered edition, blue vinyl, white vinyl, limited edition, DVD Audio, 5.1 surround mix and blu-ray formats?

Men in black!

Please read the description for this video and see my page at orchardoo.com/TWCompactDisc.htm before talking about jam. TM demonstrated the new compact disc only once and did not use jam, but a breakfast TV spot used honey (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-112oO3brDJo.html).

Source?

LP stands for Lonely Person.

Only because downloads, and latterly streaming, overtook the CD. Digital music is massively more popular than ancient analog.

I think a good proportion of my CD collection are best of/greatest hits compilations.

Doesn't it depend on how long the audio content is? Early discs were up to 72 or 74 minutes, then later CDs increased this to 80 minutes (and sometimes more). The bbe Gees album shown was called Living Eyes and was just over 46 minutes long. It was first released in 1981 but didn;t appear on CD until the 1988 reissue.

With none of this computer graphics stuff either!

Look around you. esque.

not actually true but that is what the labels want you to believe to hype up vinyl because they are making such big margins on the over-inflated retail prices. vinyl revival is still really a relatively niche market but yes sales are growing but worldwide sales of cds still far outweigh vinyl sales. in Asia in particular, cd sales are still very healthy. the big joke where consumers are being mugged/hoodwinked by the industry is that you're paying big bucks for new vinyl which, in over 95% of cases, is being pressed from a digital source.

Back when I was a kid, a CD album was about double the cost of a vinyl album. Now it's the opposite, at least. I read, and have no reason to disbelieve, many vinyl albums sold today are never played. Used to only be hard-core collectors that bought records not for playing.

LarryDors Many thanks for uploading this. Yes, I'm wondering about the jam smearing too.

+LarryDors i always thought the jam smearing was on the tomorrows world program in fact thats why i watched this thank god we never had to worry about scratches though eh :)

+LarryDors You know there is so many sources on the web that thik Kieran spread Jam on the CD on Tomorrow's World, both Wikipedia and WhatHIFI say this. Funny eh how these misconceptions can get so engrained.

there was jam spreading on a program i watched it with my own eyes always thought it was tomorrows world but maby it was another platform

+LarryDors I have uploaded a clip featuring part of the breakfast television clip (which featured honey, not jam) at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fiOFOJWtyGs.html.

Now if only they could do the same with vinyl...

That's the part everyone misses. It's not like you can mishandle them like a brute (or a kid, which is about the same).

Well, MS-DOS first appeared in that year and that wasn't simple, neither was the first IBM PC, but Raiders of the Lost Ark was good!

Ain't that the truth

Not all old CDs suffer from disc rot as it depends on the manufacturing process. The first CD I got (that came bundled with my player) is 10cc Greatest Hits, and it still plays fine. Some vinyl records can be mispressed and not play properly. The original NOW That's What I Call Music albums had 8 tracks per side and did not sound the same as the same track on the artist's album as they might have only 5 tracks and so the grooves were wider apart. People have just thought it sounds better on vinyl.

Vinyl gives a much better sound. Let's face it, CDs and pro tools and all the digital stuff that comes with it kinda made the music world stale and repetitive

​@@dales616 that is technologically not true, the dynamic range and audio bitrate on a CD is much higher and lossless, analog audio data is actually much lower quality, and honestly i think the resurgence of vinyl now a days is just a scam by record companies to get young people to pay more for music

This is bullshit... pressed CDs (the one you bought pre recorded) will last way longer without any issues.

I have CDs from the early 80s that sound perfect

Would have been funny if they were actually singing in falsetto.

@@kyleswartz7268 Robin did get a pair of 'falsies' later on if that helps? 😂😂😂

Vinyl never fully went away, an enthusiast would play music on no other format.

www.salon.com/2018/02/10/the-cd-is-dead-not-so-fast/

I don't know if you are just trying to be funny, but let me say this one more time. This is from a programme transmitted in 1981, that's (at the time of writing) over 39 years ago. The last player was a prototype by Sony, called the Goronta and was never released. Their first player was the CDP-10 which played discs horizontally, like the first one (a Technics SL-P10).

@@LarryDors I typed that comment using a smartphone so yes, it is a joke. 😂

Not a helpful comment. I can't send a private message to you as you don't have any content on your channel, but have you tried any the methods shown in ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gNeIa-hqnuY.html to clean the CD?

That'll be the Technics SL-P10 released in 1982. See www.technics.com/global/chronicle/sl-p10/.

MrJ0mmy back then cds were a lot better and stronger then the mass product ones now

Now, yes, but back when it was originally transmitted it wasn't. If you look at a clip like ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cwHib5wYEj8.html where kids in the 1960s talk about what it will be like in the year 2000 they guess about over population and global warning but robot courts haven't happened yet!

Are you sure? Have you see my page at orchardoo.com/TWCompactDisc.htm which explains the jam myth? Tomorrow's World may show similar technologies (like the video disc mentioned in the clip, which could have been Video CDs) but they don't usually show the same technology more than once.

@@LarryDors That's really interesting. I suppose it could be a Mandela Effect thing, but I have very clear memories of someone on a TV show spreading jam on a CD and then playing it. It was an old clip shown on some other show, so I couldn't say where it was from.

@@ninjaconor86 Could have the clip featured in this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fiOFOJWtyGs.html.

I remember it well and it’s the reason I’m watching this vid. 🤣

I remember the jam demo then it wouldn't play .it must have been live he said it worked in rehearsal. Sure it was tomorrow's world.

not far from religion

Wha-, are u moses?!

Come the Zombie Apocalypse those of us with CD's and vinyl will have music! The cloud will be gone and cassettes will be degaussed 🤘

What's your point?

@@LarryDors This was just commonly written on the back cover of CD's of older music when I was a kid. There was usually also a three letter code AAD (analog tape used for recording, analog tape for mixing, digital for master recording) ADD (analog tape used for recording, digital for mixing, digital for master recording) DDD (digital for all three).

@@benjaminshelley450 I know about the SPARS code (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARS_code) on compact discs, but that only started in 1984 (by Polygram I believe). The Living Eyes album by the Bee Gees featured in the clip came out in 1981 and looking at a scan of the back cover of the CD they didn't use it then. The first album I have with a DDD on it is Jean-Michel Jarre's Zoolook from 1984 on Polygram.

It would be cool that people stopped leaving comments that pretend that things we know have happened have yet to happen. CD-Rs started in 1990, but the recorders were only really affordable by 1996. That's 15 years after this clip first aired on television, but nearly 19 years BEFORE I posted this clip!

OoOooo buuurn

@@ArchangelExile haha, "burn". I see what you did there.

Tascam made the DP-008 in 2011 (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Wgcw-S4KzJY.html and www.soundonsound.com/reviews/tascam-dp008) but you can only record on two tracks at a time.

Yep and almost 40 years ago.

In theory yes But I guarantee the vast majority of people don't have the equipment required to take advantage of its superior sound

@4m05, it is highly unlikely that Tomorrow's World would have featured the compact disc a second time unless there was some significant improvement or change to the format. CDs did get longer running tmes, reduction in 'disc rot', and of course the development of CD-R, CD-RW, CD-ROMs and the precursor to DVDs, the Video CD. The proof would be finding the footage of this second feature. I doubt any disc would be able to play if was dragged along a road by a car as some light scratches can cause the disc to jump. People always think there was jam spread on a disc on TW (see orchardoo.com/TWCompactDisc.htm) when it was actually honey on a piece for Breakfast TV or jam on an unfound episode of the Oxford Road Show. CDs were shown on many other programmes at the time and they had different methods to show how much better they were than vinyl. If you can find any more information on this appearance I would be interested!

@@LarryDors I remember the clip it was definatley after 1985 because I was living in south africa and did not come back till 1985, I agree with you about the disc being dragged, I cant say for sure if they did do it or not it was such a long time ago and I was in my teens, if I find the clip I will let you know.

Yeah, that auto-loader thing was sweet :)

+magna59 The only boat one I remember was a wave powered boat, shown at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UWpxtfmpVD4.html. I have other TW clips but they are on Betamax and I don't have a working machine to transfer them to PC. I'm pretty sure I didn't have any featuring boats though, sorry.

The first player Kieran uses was a Technics SL-P10 made in 1983 ($1000, one recently sold for $1110 on eBay), the second was a Philips prototype, which later developed into the CD-100 with a wedge front (one listed on ebay for £1150, which is about $1481), and the third was a prototype by Sony, called the Goronta and it was never put into production.

@@LarryDors think I'd much prefer to go modern for that money.

For those who don't read Portugese, Omega Man says: "For those who don't know, this song played is called "Paradise", by the bee gees. The song belongs to the 1981 album "living eyes". This was the first album made on CD in the world (it was not published, it was only made for demonstration purposes. The first album to be released on CD actually was by Bily Joel )" Actually, the first test CD was pressed in Hannover, Germany by the Polydor Pressing Operations plant in 1981. The disc contained a recording of Richard Strauss's Eine Alpensinfonie, played by the Berlin Philharmonic and conducted by Herbert von Karajan. Whilst the Bee Gees album was made in 1981 to demonstrate the compact disc, it was released in Japan a few years later. ABBA's The Visitors was produced in 1982 and Billy Joel's 52nd Street was pressed later but was sold in the same year before ABBA. Bruce Springsteen's Born in the USA was the first music CD released in America in 1984. Dire Straits' Brothers In Arms was the first CD Single, released in 1985 and the album was the first to be recorded entirely digitially.

@@LarryDors thanks bro

Wait until he learns about CD rot.

Doesn't that depend on when and who manufactured the CD? Out of the hundreds of CDs I've bought over the years I've only experienced CD rot on one of them (and it wasn't the earliest one I had either). Same with it's cousin DVD rot, where I've only experienced it on two out of the many I've bought. You can get poorly pressed vinyl as well badly made casettes, so no one format is perfect!

@@LarryDors i was referring to scratching.

Of course in those days it was thought you would store your CDs without cases in boxes full of pebbles or small stones and it would be at least 11 years before scratching really took off on CD (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xYaw5DzXiT4.html).

@@vinesauceobscurities I have many CDs from 1983. Only one of them has "rot".

I have a page on my site dedicated to Strawberry Jam myth at orchardoo.com/TWCompactDisc.htm. You are remembering the honey demonstration on breakfast TV.

As the first two words in the description says.

Hmm, might have been an early piece on microwave ovens. I found a piece from 1989 that highlighted the fact that they don't cook evenly, at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gnbXcwfYzak.html.

Agree almost as bad as vinyl.

@@VincentRE79 You can polish a scratch out of a CD and make it play like new. Polishing a record destroys it.

I'm sure this was the only feature on TW about the introduction of audio CDs. The clip mentions a video disc, but that was the LaserDisc whch came out in the UK around 1983. Video CDs, which use similar technology to audio CDs didn't come out until 1993, ten years after. I haven't seen any clip about drilling into a CD anywhere and I don't have it on any of my old tapes as far as I know. The BBC only have a small archive of the programmes at www.bbc.co.uk/archive/tomorrowsworld/ and I emailed them to ask about other programme clips.

Paradise by the Bee Gees. It's the third track from the album Living Eyes which is featreed in the clip.

@@LarryDors Thanks dost

I missed the first few seconds of this piece when I originally recorded it, so he may have called it a compact disc then. I know the BBC have the original in their archives, but they don't featured it on their archive site www.bbc.co.uk/archive/tomorrows-world/zrkpwty.

I bought the War of the Worlds CD secondhand and my copy still plays fine. Of course you only the full size booklet with the paintings with the vinyl edition and the cassette version had a voucher which you sent off to get it. The Jaws VHS probably doesn't have a full 5.1 surround audio mix and the picture quality is not good compared to the DVD or Blu-Ray editions, which you can pick up for less than a tenner (or a fiver if you go for the standard DVD). Some discs play fine, some do not. It depends on how they were made.

I think from a compact disk shop place. I may be wrong though as it is only being trial at on of them round black vinyl shop places. Called a record I think. Lol

+splodge they probably never caught on.

+funkg Mine from 1982 still play love. You must be mishandling them. All 1,000+ of mine play perfectly though.

I've bought several used CDs from Amazon, some manufactured as far back as 1985, and they play perfectly.

The older CDs are more resistant than the new ones.

Dr_Kachu san Yeah, they make the plastic really cheap these days to maximize profit, because CD sales aren't profitable anymore so they have to figure out how to squeeze as much as possible from the CDs that do sell. Replacing jewel cases with paper folders, not including a detailed booklet, having minimal artwork on the album, having a cheaply made label with cheap adhesive on the disc that peels off easily, and the worst of all is omitting songs that have been put aside for the "special edition" which every album has these days and which sells for an outrageous price.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot The reflective layer on a CD is a metal and metals corrode in contact with air, light, liquid, anything really. As folks have said, a good CD will last forever because the reflective layer is fully enclosed in plastic on both sides, but a cheap CD has plastic on only one side as the reflective layer makes up the other side, these are very temperamental to incorrect storage and will gradually decay.

The Dollar Guy Scare the shit out of him!

Good luck demonstrating its use with an IBM 5150/ PC-XT! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oa_hiLXLbTc.html