Yes the original Tongans were black look up pictures of Tonga from the 1800s we are not from Lapita but we did mix our DNA with them..I am Tongan if you know our true history then you will know that the colonizers and missionaries hid our real identity from us and where we come from. We were the world's greatest navigators that went around the world and mixed with south east Asians to palangis from Europe and that is why we lost our true melanin skin tone. We are raised to hate dark skin because it was taught to us by the missionaries who were already racist and white supremacists and that is why we love light skin and worship a white Jesus
Just bcoz yr DARK IN SKIN COLOUR DOESNT MEAN YR BLACK..THE TEMPERATURES IN THE ISLANDS BACK THEN WAS HOTTER/ MORE SUN.ALL ANCESTRAL POLYNESIANS LOOK DARKER THEN NOT JUST TONGAN.BUT IF YOUR POLYNESIAN YOUR DNA IS NOT AFRICAN.PAPUANS & ABORIGINALS ARE CLOSER TO BLACK THAN YOULL EVER BE!!
y'all weren't great navigators but were lost in the middle of the Pacific ocean. All the bigger land masses with vast valleys and rainforests in the Pacific were occupied and populated by Melanesians. The tiny atols were left for your ancestors to call home.
@@ilove100times Originally their are pictures from thex1800 hundred were tin cans where black after they mixed with the Euro colonizers. Like someone said: some of you need to look you itself in the mirror. 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
The problem with the racial structure is that it oversimplifies the diversity of humanity. Ethnicity is far better suited for defining differences between people.
Yes, people often simplified it to Black or White... meanwhile the people that they consider black or white itself have a whole different face and body construction. Whole different genes but same skin color. As a melanoid, we do have dark skin but our genes were closer to southern east asia than to African, and african closer to caucasian than to us. Another example, Siberian people are closer to mongoloid than to caucasian. Arabic closer to Caucasian than to Mongoloid. Even though we and them have quite similar skin color to each other, but we are a whole different people. That's why we should define things by ethnicity more than skin color. Because defining things by skin color makes no sense.
@@HonestPerson-qt3dewho were the people? I know, but Black and White… are “modern” racial constructs, much of it was written into law during the colonial/ slavery period… when slavery has / had existed for centuries, globally. Nearly all indigenous people have an admixture of different ethnicities. Of course there are obviously outliers. Interesting thing for me is that the moderator stated the high percentage of Mormons in Tongan culture. Let that resonate for a second… Also a noted fact, anywhere that was colonized, and religion instituted, much of the original history was erased~see one of the more famous examples ~Diego de Landa… Colonialist were well known for attempting to bred out the indigenous and destroy all indigenous cultures records, etc. then rewrite and start a new history. Black and White are purposeful, and it’s a reason why it’s “oversimplified”
No it’s because Tongans are really not black, Melanesian means Black Islander for a reason. Tongans were never seen as black or they would’ve been labeled Melanesian. Tongans are Polynesian
😂😂😂😂. Tongan and Samoan here. Nothing black about me!!! Stop misleading people with this nonsense. Black people have their own beautiful culture like us Islanders.
Better take a look back 200 years ago no thy self the missionaries did some really fucked up shit in the islands, But they could not get that shit off in Melanesia they were too fierce so they just said fuck it and continued to corrupt the bloodlines and minds of the rest of the pacific don't feel bad they also programmed 80million aboriginals in north America telling many that they were descendants of African slaves when only 5% of the 12 million Africans taken made it into North America ..smh
@@ilove100times What does Afrocentric have to do with remote Pacific Islanders. You are not Africans, and it’s delusional of you to think You figure in Afrocentric discussions. Be proud of who you think you are, and don’t malign other people because of your misplaced sense of superiority.
So my foster parents were Tongan and yea some Tongan can be mean to darker skinned people but most of them love and embrace people of color. The only time you see black Tongan is if they are mixed. Now Fijians are the black people of Polynesian people. Me growing up around Polynesians alone of people thought I was Fijian but I'm actually Cuban African American. I love my Polynesian brothers and sisters and hope to go to Tonga one day. Cheeeehoooooo. Malo
As a Pacific Islander, Fijians fall under the Melanesian category. Fijian don’t fall under the Polynesian rim. They’re three categories that are considered a Pacific Islander 1. Polynesia 2. Micronesia 3. Melanesia
I am from Papua New Guinea and even some Papua New Guineans from the coasts and islands do look like Fijians, Vanuatus, Solomon Islanders, Torres Strait Islanders, New Calendonians or the Aboriginal people of Australia and so on. Melanesian are dark skinned. Micronesians are more like the Asian and Polynesians are light skinned, most are tall and fat. Fijians are Melanesians and are a part of the Melanesian Spearhead Group.
The world is confused so much!!!being black is not crime, black nation are very rich with mineral resources, Gold, diamond,oil, Tanzanite, so much wealth,so people's who still think about race history things, that won't exist anymore,human is human,that is enough.
As a proud foundational Black American,I can't relate to melinated people arguing about white racists scientific terms to describe diverse people who are blessed with the original pigmentation of the planet,they love to use science to prove origin, people need only to do the research and work to know what they've known since the beginning,it all started in AFRICA❤❤❤ those are scientific facts😊
We need to get over calling everyone "Black". It has no meaning. I don't care if the world forced it on us. We don't have to accept that empty label. People associate themselves with a culture and a land place, not a skin color. The idea of putting color labels on people came from the "West", from Babylon. We don't have to keep supporting those labels anymore. I am falsely labeled "Black American", but in reality I am Chatah-Cherokee on my mother's side, possibly Alabama Creek and "African" on my father's side. These names mean much more to me than just "Black". Let's stop telling other people who we think they are.
lol and world are sick of you trying to feed force what your white masters to us! polynesians! and i will tell you leave us alone! unlike you african american we got a culture a history! our faces! stop trying to tell us we denying something we never are..
Well said, my father’s family is Cherokee and Saponi-Sioux from Florida and Georgia classified as Black/AA by the fed. While my mother is Chinese-Jamaican. I was raised as a Black American and feel no need to identify with “Africa” as I have no ties in my family tree that I can find, what’s the point? It’s not self-hate to be happy in your identity, quite the opposite in fact.
People with Black skin are all over the world especially near equator. Doesn't necessarily means its the same race (Whatever race means) Even in Africa no one will tell you I am black.We Identify with Nationality, Region,Tribe ,Clans and Family names. Its when we go outside of Africa that we all become blacks. In my country The European,Chenese, etc are all White people and of course they are not the same but we call them awhite just for their skin color.
People need to understand the difference between being "black" of sub-saharan African and phenotypically "black" like Aboriginals in Australia and the Negritos of Asia.
he is not saying that all sub-Saharans are of the same ethnicity, he is just saying that the "black" phenotype or genes of sub-Saharan Africans is not the same as that of Australian aborigines and Melanesians, even in India there is a black native people, the "jarawa" but they are not the same as black Africans, the shape of their nose is different, their face is different, and their blackness is greater than that of native Africans. Every continent in the world has ethnic diversity, even Europe, but little is said about it in Europe, because nowadays Europeans are not interested in discussing ethnicity, people, especially Africans and Asians, must stop wanting to fight over racial and ethnic issues. this still generates enmity between many ethnic groups in Africa. People must know how to cultivate peace and not strife.
As a Papua New Guinean, I look at the label of "black" as being an African centric term. I am a Melanesia Pacific Islander or Black of other origin. I can also not classify myself black because of the historical connotations associated with it.
I understand what you said I do respect your choices. However, that's not what most of us Black people mean when we call ourselves Black. Most Black Americans are what Africans would call Colored. I haven't seen anyone on this video who doesn't look like Black Americans. Besides many people called Black have no African DNA.
@@chiefvirgobleu6744 how tho? Amerindans are native americans/indigenous people of america and black americans are generally of african decent primarily though the transatlantic slave trade in the 16th to 19th century. Black americans often have a heritage connected to various african ethnic groups and tribes
I’m Tongan/ American. Both parents migrated from Tonga to U.S. ( California) back in 1970. You should see my grandpa . He looks like he’s from Nigeria. Proud to Tongan. Proud to be black. 🇹🇴 🇺🇸
DNA tests do not reveal Subsaharan African ancestry with Tongans, Samoans, Maori, Cook Islanders, etc. It shows Polynesian and maybe Asian ancestry. ADOS /FBA people (American Descendants of Slavery /Foundational Black Americans) need to understand that just because another ethnic group has broad nostrils and full lips does not mean they are of Subsaharan African descent. There are some white people with Type 4C hair that have no Subsaharan African ancestry. DNA is complicated. Take a genetics class, take a geography class, and stop trying to force United States man-made pseudo scientific racist standards on the rest of the world.
Why impose the European crayon ideology into a group of people who has their own identity and don't subscribe into that nonsense? Be proud of your roots, cultures, languages, ethnicities, and tribes. I don't think the yorubas, huasa, igbo, and many other ethnic group throughout Africa go along with this european/american identity crisis nonsense. It's true the european did this in the past in order to divide and separate others from themselves just because of different skin color and never took into consideration the many beautiful and diverse cultures that they helped to exploit and destroyed.
People from the US will never be happy unless they can trauma bond with the whole world in order to spread the ideology of the good ol' US of A to the entire planet. It's called Imperialism.
I appreciate you saying this. This color caste system is just that, a "system" of social separation and cultural isolation that is intended to spiritually and psychologically weaken us.
Tongans are polynesians , Genetically Asians and Austronesians . that is all, WE do not like this colour identity nonsense that is going around the you tube . We love people as they are ,white ,brown ,black ,red etc .
@@knowthyselfinstitute that's correct.They're not us.If they were us,we would be obligated to accept them into the holy fold of Almighty God's true chosen people.We are a set apart people.These tougans ARE NOT!They are heathens.No way am I sharing my devine heritage with them.We are so close to being redeemed and receive God's promise to His people(that is us only).HalleluYah!
I'm an African or Blackman in America, there's only one black man, the man in America (us) stop trying to get other people to join us, you don't need too!. We are unique, that we can't be associated with anyone else, we are on our own. So stop trying to have other people in our crew.... We are unique
They are Black or they are not black we don't care and we are not asking them to be black or Africans. What I love is my beautiful black skin which is phenotypically and genetically superior over white skin and which also protects me from harmful Uv rays from the sun. Am melanated African and am very proud of this.
@@ilove100times so true! in fiji they know doing hula dances and Samoan tattoos.. i bet you those blacks convinced they are native Indians doing the same thing lol
But they still practice racism against the darker hue Tongans!! So this is no different than India or any other country they weren't even colonized what makes it even worse!!
Eugenists educated ppl all over the world. They are responsible for what we all believe about the past. War Against The Weak by Edwin Black touches on some of the players. They built all the libraries and published all our school books over 100 years ago. They haven't been running shit for400 years, that's a lie they tell
The further back a person’s DNA goes, the Blacker it gets. However, we live on a beautiful planet with rich, diverse cultures (like Tongans). I wouldn’t want to live on a planet where everyone looked and acted the same. This is an opportunity for me to learn about the Tongan culture. Appreciate the video.
@@ilove100times These people are doing the same garbage to every culture all over the world. They spread their lies trying to claim all cultures as their own. Pissing everyone off. Jada, pinkett Smith tried it with that series on Cleopatra and pissed off Egyptians all over the world.
They are who they are they don't have to justify or explain to anybody These people who want to insist they are one thing or another need to address their own obvious issues.
One thing I have noticed about history/ educational videos is they will give everyone credit in ancient times for having great navigational skills except for Africans and other dark melanated ppl
"The genetic survey, produced by a collaborative team led by scholars at Cambridge and Anglia Ruskin Universities, shows that Australia's aboriginal population sprang from the same tiny group of colonists, along with their New Guinean neighbours. The research confirms the “Out Of Africa” hypothesis that all modern humans stem from a single group of Homo sapiens who emigrated from Africa 2,000 generations ago and spread throughout Eurasia"
I'm SAMOAN&TONGAN I would like to say God made Heaven on earth already that is us SOUTHSEAS Islanders we all started from the heart of the Pacifica ❤ & RESPECT is the key to dis 🌎 we are the Greek God of WAR WARRIORS extinction Cheeehoohoooo💪🏾🇼🇸🇦🇸🇹🇴💯🥥🔥👌🏾
They are not African they are southern Pacific and they belong to the dark skinned Americans and South Pacific family group. This is why y'all should research. They aren't Pan-Africans
Unfortunately education has failed the majority of the world…whiteness is not synonymous with Europe…blackness is not synonymous with Africa. Variation in skin color and phenotypes are synonymous with geographical locations.
Sub Saharan Africa . That is a eurocentric white supremacist lie, gas lighting, ideology & talking point. Black is just a false label & a diabolical misnomer created by you europeons to steal the land, history and identity of the aboriginal indigenous people of the planet.
Once the guy said "I believe they are blak based on possible treatment and skin tone," it as all over with. It is clear that they are mixed blak and mongol. That mixture seems to be found point to point around the earth - including the Americas.
Black Americans need to stop going around the world and trying to collect all the black people from other countries. It's clear that some of them don't want to be black and they want to identify with the country they live in.
If someone says you are black why get mad? Nothing wrong with it. Tongans are just a mixture of Ancient Africans crossed with Ancient mongoloid people who went into Southeast Asian. Simply put.
@ilove100times She may have been black. Egypt is in Africa and waa originally a black derived civilization before Europeans, Turks and Arabs came and overtook the region.
@@firstnationfall5451 Because some people don't reduce their identity to a mere color, rather they have an abundance of pride in who/where and which tribe they came from...and that's ok. There's more to the story of a person than just saying you're blk. It truly is a place of cultural belonging that outsiders, and those who never grew up that way, may not understand.
There are a lot of Polynesians and Melanesians who present as phenotypically “black”, and Aboriginal Australians, Tasmanians, “Negritos” all over Southeast Asia. In the Americas many American Indians in the United States were relabeled “negro”, “colored”, “free persons of color”, “black” and now “African-American” by both federal and state governments. This is publicly documented. No one in Tonga 🇹🇴 or any other part of the world should let their history or identity be colonized or absorbed into some esoteric global identity, ethnic differences, cultures and identities should be respected. Both from within and without.
There are a people in East Asia considered Oceanic, that could be 'black' but not African. Studies of other Asian 'blacks' with dark skin and peppercorn hair, living on an island in India, confirmed that they aren't African as well.
Whether they are called black or not that’s their preference. Everything came out of Africa and migrated outwards. Nothing originated in Tonga or Samoa
Polynesian isn't African, it's its own race. They have white colour and brown colour in their families. Definitely not African though. No-one has ever mistaken them for African or black.
I’m not sure I’ll buy into that cause if we go back to some of the other tribes and stuff that are from Africa, they look like them except the skin is lighter. And some of the Polynesians that are in this film, look like relatives of mine. And I don’t have any Polynesian ancestry. I don’t have any Asian ancestry. And these are people that you can track directly to my bloodline. I think people need to understand that we’re not trying to group you with us. We’re just saying that you have ancestry that links us together you’re not the same we’re not the same as some of those other groups that you mentionedare however similar and I’m pretty sure if we start looking at histories you might find more similarities there too. But we have to look at the history of all people that currently live in Africa as well.
Fefehaka, I've lived in Tonga for over 10 years, interesting history and culture, learnt a lot about the history of South Pacific, Tongan should be amongst the richest people financially period ... I was told by some intellectuals that Tongans roots and origins came from the middle east, mind you that , missionaries have convinced Tongans that they belong to the lost tribes of Israel !!??? As for racism, indeed, 20 years lived and worked deep south USA, never encountered racism till I lived in Tonga ☺🙏
Tongans are not Melanesian so they aren’t classified as black. “Black” in that region refers to indigenous Australians and Melanesians, including Torres Strait islanders
@@briantakoboy5173 I’m not the person who classify Melanesians, it’s Europeans who always viewed these people as black. Furthermore, no where in history have tongans been classed as such. In particular Melanesia means islands of black people in Greek which emphasises their blackness even further.
I am a black South African and I find it beneficial because I don't have to worry about the hot sun'$ rays affecting my skin exposing me to skin cancer, I can thrive in these conditions exceptionally well. In that case this is the territory for my kind
I as a Black Woman that must get used to referring myself as an Israelite would call them Tongan People. They remind me of the Hawaiian People. I think the Women r Beautiful qnd the Men Handsome. I'm not offended by them not referenced as Black People. 😊
@@ilove100times Trust me, Black people are not thinking about Polynesians like that. The internet is not the real world. The only Black people that really know about Polynesians are the ones on the West Coast.
We were dark skin yes. But lapita DNA genetics actually has more relations with South Asian than African. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Even the melanesians DNA is more similar to south Asian than African.
I struggle with the fact that "the Rulers" seem to always know the truth and we somehow seem to not know the truth. My question is this, how do they get to know the truth and "we" somehow seem to not know the truth? Another question is this, what are "we" doing with our time to be distracted to not know "the truth".
Tongans isn't a race. I'm responding to some of the replies where people are saying that. Tongan, Samoan, and the Hawaiian natives are the same but just different to similar cultures and nationalities. Tonga is a nationality. Not a race. I reside on Westcoast in California. The Tongan and Samoan look very. Some look more Asian. Some look mixed with Black African. Others, i couldn't tell if they were Black or Tongan. The same is true with Samoan. There were certain things that stood out that made me ask. Even more so with the Fiji people who look even more Black African. And I've met my share. And their looks can vary, too. I used to go to school with this Black girl back who could pass for Tongan. And a lot of Japanese and Black mixed people can pass for Tongan and Samoan. It's funny because i saw a Samoan lady agreed with me when I'd said that this Japanese and African mixed woman could pass. The Samoan lady said that i was right because the Japanese and black mixed woman looks like people in her family. It's also possible that Asian aka mongoloid people aka Denisovan people mixed with Africans aka homisapiens some centuries ago and created a different type of genetics that makes it hard to tie directly to African and Asian mongoloid. Especially when I look at the people from Papua New Guinea who look even more Black. Anything is possible when we look at possible travel during the ice age, and each group, including the Neanderthal people, encountered each other and eventually copulated. The people of Solomon Islands look like a mixture of all 3. And for all that we know. There could be other groups nit related to the 3 that played a role.
@ilove100times I'll state it again. Denisovans possibly mixed with homisapiens. Similar to Neanderthal and homo-sapiens. No one really knows. As I'd stated already. I've seen my share of Tongan and Samoan, where sometimes I couldn't tell if they were Black or the other two. But they'd identified as the latter two. Again. I wouldn't be surprised if the two crossed paths during prehistoric times. No one really knows. But like the Papua New Guinea and many Fiji people, I have seen many who could pass for Black African and have been mistaken for Black.
Tongans and Somoans do not consider themselves as "balcks". They'd rather be white or Asian. As for us Melanesians, we are Black no matter what. And. regardless, of the DNA haplogroups which can be manipulated by our oppressors so they can keep us separated, there is a deep connection with other blacks in America and Africa..
@@apin.zwazob4564 we ain't white or Asian either, we Polynesian. Boy your people left Africa 60,000 years ago, these africans are closer related to white people than they are to you. We're closer related to you than you are to the people of Africa. We are our own people stop worshipping other cultures when you've got a great one right here.
@logoutofmyaccountweirdo Go believe the Whiteman who told us tonnes of lies just to keep us separated. Even their own genetic reports show variants of African Y-Chromosome E-M2, E35, E-M78 in PNG, and E1B1A. Yet, they choose to ignore these and instead discuss the P & S variants, which they classify as Australoids.
@@logoutofmyaccountweirdoonly reason some African related to some whites because white folks enslaved blacks Africans Afrikans tribes are not related to whites gtfoh 😂😂
Why is the basis of this video trying to see if we’re “black”? Black is not a race. If you are trying to see if the place of origin is Africa, that is a whole different topic. Trying to throw people together in a box without taking into account cultural differences, or traditions is a disservice. As a Tongan living in America, I know some “black” people that don’t associate themselves as African, and some Africans that don’t associate themselves as “black”. So if you’re trying to find a place of origin, I can see that. But to just dismiss culture, tradition, and ethnicity just to say people are “black” is lazy.
@lulibalumu no resentment. That’s because I know who I am and that is TONGAN 🇹🇴🇹🇴 if your little mohe mimi brain only sees skin tone, then there is something wrong with you and not me.
Tongans are not black, we’re literally on the other side of the globe from Africa. Europeans are genetically closer to Africans, Polynesians settled the most remote region on Earth our geographic isolation caused genetic isolation therefore we aren’t related to anyone but other Polynesians
Afros weren’t even touted by Africans historically, the “Afro” is a hairstyle first introduced to the world by American icons like the Jacksons, Pam Grier, Fred Hampton and others during the Civil Rights era. Yet the “Afro” can be seen in the earliest photos of aboriginal Fijians, Hawaiians, Tasmanians, and even modern Solomon Islanders, Papuans, and Andaman Islanders. Some of whom have naturally blonde hair, calling it an Afro at this point is ridiculous in hindsight with this knowledge because it’s not a hairstyle originating in Africa or from African people.
@@ilove100times Someone seemingly is trying to group dark skinned people with black people. I identify as Polynesian. I also relate to Samoan, Tongan, and Tahitian with brown skin. There's many light skin Polynesians. Capt Cook came to Hawaii and was surprised seeing some white Hawaiians. I think it's the same we are Polynesians with brown skin. I am not a black. No offense to black people. Just stating there's no proof we are black or come from black people.
PNG is proud of our Leoshina, she is of a mixed heritage of Papuan and Bougainvillian. Highly intelligent human being and good will ambassador for our country, Papua New Guinea. Well done girl.
In NATURE... There are many species who look similar but have genetic uniqueness, like the KOALA Bear is not a Bear, looks like a Bear......but it is a "Masupial". There are plants who can look like insects like the Bee Orchid. The Dolphin is not a fish.. they Mammals. The Platypus is not a Duck, they are Mammals. Geographically Polynesia is on the opposite side of the world from Africa, so just because a people look something similar to YOU...they still have nothing to do with being BLACK, which is not a race in the first place. Black is not a Race, its a color. Melanesians are lighter than Africans and have genetically Blonde hair. They have been in the Asia Pacific for thousands of years and just because your political needs want Polynesians and Melanesians on your side, we are not. We are Independent people and none of your concern.
melanesians and africans look alike while tongans are good looking people I mean how come black people in those countries are not as beautiful as people in tonga???
@katalinawhite1524 Being the chosen people of TheAlmightyMostHighGod comes with being naturally despised by ALL others who are NOT US.Needless to say,that of course includes you.We know we are the true chosen just by how triggered you get from us simply stating a truthful fact.😌
The true Nation of Yisrael representing!HalleluYah!Peace and blessings to all 12 tribes of Yisrael scattered amongst these heathens baests who hate us just for being Most Hish Yah's precious jewels and apple of His Eye!💪🏿✊🏿!Shalom!!
If you’re talking about race aren’t they considered Asian.They all look very different to me from dark skinned,curly hair to white skinned with straight hair.I think it would ignorant to say they’re blk.
You'd always know that classifying people as black, would come from African Americans. I feel like they do this so other african americans wouldn't feel lonely or ashamed for being black. Like they are trying to normalize being black. While black people on other parts of the world wouldn't even care about all this, we haven't been through the same indoctrination and black-shaming like black people in the US did. It would be great if everyone stopped identifying people according to skin color. We are all of the human race and every culture has something to be proud of.
Tongans rock with blk ppl...i had to do a paper on Tonga while at Hawaii. A girl cooked a dessert for me and came to class for my presentation...she was tall, thick, and nice. Some of them have afros, but they are mostly Polynesian, versus Micronesian or Melanesian even though their island nation sits on the edge of Melanesia. (Genetic Diversity). The word Tonga actually means South and they still had a King.
No they don't!Look at the comment section!😒These Toongan heathens hate ⬛️ ppl,as much as wiithe ppl do,if not more!I'm not seeking their acceptance,validation nor"peace".In the famous words of Kendrick, "They're not like us"
I am so amazed and amused by the ignorance of people” when someone asks what race are you” they are not asking you about where you are from or your ancestors” it’s more of your current genetic makeup, you can be light skin and have slightly straight hair and still be be black, black doesn’t mean that you are from Africa or have connections with Africa.
