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Top 10 Best 5 Star DPS Characters for F2P in Genshin Impact (2024) 

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- No 5* cons or weapon
- No battle pass weapon
- Penalty if the char need a niche C6 4*
- Penalty if the char need a niche 5* teammate
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TGS Top 10 F2P DPS
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@Nilotpala
@Nilotpala Месяц назад
Like for zajef cat girl cosplay
@jevarth1060
@jevarth1060 Месяц назад
Wtf
@mrlazypencil
@mrlazypencil Месяц назад
Oh hell no
@7Jfry
@7Jfry Месяц назад
gyat
@arik.3745
@arik.3745 Месяц назад
He and zyox should make a maid outfit stream like those weird TikToks
@toli7176
@toli7176 Месяц назад
zajef thirst tiktoks when
@minatol2713
@minatol2713 Месяц назад
I like how everyone agrees on the Top 3 (Neuvilette, Arlecchino Alhaitham). All arguments start after that 😂
@kuraresacupcakes
@kuraresacupcakes Месяц назад
The starter Pokemon are just too strong
@jfree672
@jfree672 Месяц назад
my main issue with comparing hyperbloom raiden to nilou as dps roles is that raiden is just a EM electro bot that you could swap out for kuki with similiar results sometimes even better. nilou is irreplacable
@natti8212
@natti8212 Месяц назад
they were compared for the sake of being in the context of 5 star dpses, not for their actual overall value
@stryfer1989
@stryfer1989 Месяц назад
After reading all the comments on his video and the stuff here, I think we're at a point where "best DPS", even with F2P limitations, has so many variables in play that it's impossible to make a fair ranking. Now, highest DPS *comps*, would be another story.
@LateefA519
@LateefA519 Месяц назад
I want to see this video more tbh. 8 cost team which teams are the highest dps
@luminous3558
@luminous3558 Месяц назад
What are F2P limitations? They don't exist. CCs do not have any clue how F2P players spend their primos. A lot of them go for cons and weapons and most ignore the unintuitive account building stuff like grabbing the 4* cons for the 1.0 supports whenever they are in the shop. So a F2P tierlist assuming that the players looking at it(mostly new players cuz old f2p players are effectively whales through the resources provided by time) have all the 4*s as well as cons on some of them is just flawed. Alhaitham for example is a terrible character for a new account unless you pulled a kuki. Childe is useless without c4 xiangling. Hyperbloom in general has issues without xingqiu cons to supplement his application. Clorinde needs fischl at high con and a competent dendro. Add to that that hoyo runs some crazy weird banners where the 4*s do not form a team with the banner 5* whatsoever and you pretty much have to pull 3-4 banners for most of these F2P teams to even function.
@ngasalaja2839
@ngasalaja2839 Месяц назад
Yep the definition of "best" in here is so varies
@zed60k47
@zed60k47 Месяц назад
@@luminous3558 it's impossible to make a list that takes into account every possible pool of characters every single account has at any point in time, these lists are only looking at what has value for f2p accounts in general not what's the most optimal way to spend your primos on a new account.
@stryfer1989
@stryfer1989 Месяц назад
@@luminous3558 To answer your question - TGS made a list of criteria he took into account for the list and Zajeff showed it in this video too. It's not all encompassing, but nothing can be in a gacha game.
@ShinySwalot
@ShinySwalot Месяц назад
best DPS is obviously my C4 Qiqi onfielder in Hyperbloom team...
@aratakiittolover22
@aratakiittolover22 Месяц назад
True
@deathmetalalchemist5861
@deathmetalalchemist5861 Месяц назад
duh
@cleod7439
@cleod7439 Месяц назад
True and real
@beriazim
@beriazim Месяц назад
Eula in disguise
@ibrahim5463
@ibrahim5463 Месяц назад
Only c4? You gotta pump that number up
@thatoneartist24
@thatoneartist24 Месяц назад
The way only one of them is cryo 😭 ayaka ganyu has fallen billions must hyperbloom
@marqkc
@marqkc Месяц назад
Hyperbloom isn't to blame here. Ayaka and Ganyu have always been mid, once better options came out they were inevitably left in the bench.
@omarbirkdar5536
@omarbirkdar5536 Месяц назад
​@marqkc ayaka isnt mid, she can be one of the top dpses in the game, but hoyo screws over freeze in almost every abyss, making her a suboptimal option
@dinispedroso8151
@dinispedroso8151 Месяц назад
The real culprit is Hoyo, for giving them the Venti treatment, Abyss tries as hard as possible to counter Freeze. Bet we will have to wait for Snezhnaya for Freeze to be relevant again.
@dinispedroso8151
@dinispedroso8151 Месяц назад
@@omarbirkdar5536 exactly, would be even crazier if Tsarizta ended up buffing her too some Day.
@wuaduhsiapa
@wuaduhsiapa Месяц назад
​@@dinispedroso8151maybe tsaritsa can make freeze viable to boss 😂
@MrGshinobi
@MrGshinobi Месяц назад
navia deserves to be as high as zajef put her, she's so f2p friendly, super versatile in team building and gear options, doesn't need extremely high investment to do good damage, really solid and reliable unit
@wuaduhsiapa
@wuaduhsiapa Месяц назад
Plus, with navia you dont need pull specific c6 niche char like gorou/faruzan thing. She work well with common char like bennet xiangling, fischl, yelan, xinqiu, furina etc
@jacobgym
@jacobgym Месяц назад
Fair enough but her very limited amount of viable 4* options kinda weigh her down
@Kim_Imyoung
@Kim_Imyoung Месяц назад
​@@jacobgym You can literally just use a sacrificial greatsword and be done with it
@tavinhoo
@tavinhoo Месяц назад
​@jacobgym the new natlan claymore will be her best f2p weapon
@budisoemantri2303
@budisoemantri2303 Месяц назад
​@@tavinhooIs it going to be better than Melusine claymore?
@CM_684
@CM_684 Месяц назад
Yae over clorinde and removing childe, hmm don't quite agree on that one mr jef. He's been very relevant ever since his release so long ago and that's for a reason. If anything he's more f2p than some of the other units mentioned. Also, I disagree on xianyun being a niche support, she is good for xiao, gaming, diluc, bennett, hu tao, wriothesley, yae, navia, synergies very well with furina who's one of the best units in the game and she makes even the weaker characters deal big damage making them more relevant than ever, like plunge xinyan, etc
@yuosufsarayjee6365
@yuosufsarayjee6365 Месяц назад
@@CM_684 wriothesley and navia in xianyun teams is something 😭😭😭
@CM_684
@CM_684 Месяц назад
@@yuosufsarayjee6365 clearly you have not seen them in action. TGS even mentioned navia plunge what're you on
@yuosufsarayjee6365
@yuosufsarayjee6365 Месяц назад
@@CM_684 sure body I can't wait to clear the abyss with plunging wrio or yae trully a team
@CM_684
@CM_684 Месяц назад
@@yuosufsarayjee6365 be a non believer then. I literally cleared triple kenki with lvl 60 Charlotte plunge on xianyun release as I lost 50/50 on wrio.
@Nawrwhale
@Nawrwhale Месяц назад
​@@yuosufsarayjee6365 lol navia's strongest team is actually with xianyun. her skill already hits similar number as the other team but instead of 40k NA you do 100k+ per plunge which is unbeatable compared to the older one. besides the ones the other person mentioned, itto's best team is also plunge. instead of 50k CA i'm doing 140k plunge (without plunge collision) and the cleartimes are simply just better.
@MalcolmDao
@MalcolmDao Месяц назад
Poor Zajef, still stuck with that 1 fav sword😅
@apanaama3703
@apanaama3703 Месяц назад
I understand since I have one r4 Fav sword for 2 years. Its on Furina despite having her sig. Its that much better for the team and I can put her on any team as solo hydro.
@waitwut420
@waitwut420 Месяц назад
Ayaka not being in top 10 is crazy. Meta has shifted so much.
@yue_river
@yue_river Месяц назад
dendro really did change everything
@usmanya5110
@usmanya5110 Месяц назад
@@yue_river dendro yeah though i thought it's not just dendro but also due to how the abysses are these days with new enemies. and how her budget options don't feel as good as the other dpses budget options.
@yue_river
@yue_river Месяц назад
@@usmanya5110 the way they set up abyss definetely is a factor
@NobleLaika
@NobleLaika Месяц назад
Its probably because she needs specific 5 star to be strong
@waitwut420
@waitwut420 Месяц назад
@@NobleLaika I suppose that’s fair but I was running Mona, Sucrose, Diona and it got the job done
@StanTheWoz
@StanTheWoz Месяц назад
To this day people underrate Navia so much. I dunno if it's just because she's not that popular with speedrunners but most people are not speedrunners and can't get their results out of a character like Hu Tao or Childe
@TheJuicyTangerine
@TheJuicyTangerine Месяц назад
Navia's kit doesn't have anything about it that mechanically makes her broken. Geo doesn't have flashy reaction. Navia's definitely a very good F2P friendly unit, but she's carried by her numbers alone
@francescoettwedda-1875
@francescoettwedda-1875 Месяц назад
I thought she was good for speedrun for her massive froantload
@vladdyru
@vladdyru Месяц назад
If you "can't get results" out of a character that uses one singular combo - it's nothing but a you issue. Saying that a 60k DPS character is better than an 80k one because of your personal skill issue is just wild. This isn't a fighting game, it's not even Zenless Zone Zero or Wuthering Waves - there isn't a single mechanically difficult character in this entire game to justify that kind of thinking.
@StanTheWoz
@StanTheWoz Месяц назад
@@vladdyru The amount that this community has used "skill issue", something that affects literally 100% of players at some point or another, to justify judging characters purely on sheet performance with no regard for anything else is ludicrous. In this game where a huge percentage of the playerbase is very casual, plays on mobile, or both. People will be like "I'm a speedrunner and I talked to my five speedrunner friends and we all agree this character is the best because we all play this game for a living and have time to meticulously learn every enemy's patterns so their lack of ability to dodge or avoid damage or slot in a defensive character doesn't matter in practice". Or any number of other ludicrous takes that don't function for 99% of players. Zajef thankfully doesn't do this nearly as much as a lot of other CCs do which is a lot of the reason I still watch him.
@isgonnabeagreatyear
@isgonnabeagreatyear Месяц назад
childe my beloved 400 retries per chamber dps
@bloomiii7481
@bloomiii7481 Месяц назад
CO Wrio over Childe!?! Also, personally feel people underrate Raiden considering flexibility of teams. She can be used as E bot in hyperbloom, quickbloom, quicken, hypercarry, and national, which means she can deal with enemies with various elemental requirements (like SIMON, dendro peacock, and multi-element inquisitous baptist). And she has pretty good interruption resistance during burst, which is something so many DPSes lack. Also, Clorinde instead of Keqing is a bit questionable, I really don't like how she is locked into a stance and can't really move.
@isoteric1212
@isoteric1212 Месяц назад
1)its a dps check, childe isn't a dps but an enabler 2)its a dps check, raiden hyperbloom , quick bloom etc doesn't matter. (if it matter then so does nahida e) 3) clorinde is better keqing because there is no dps loss to clorinde from kequig if not better and she had delf healing which is the problem with aggravate teams
@crazyformyself7296
@crazyformyself7296 Месяц назад
@@isoteric1212 the thing is c0 Wrio isn’t dps in his best f2p team either
@bloomiii7481
@bloomiii7481 Месяц назад
@@isoteric1212 he said he was including raiden in her hyperbloom teams, and in all those other team she is a DPS. And he also included Nilou, who can be considered as much of an enabler as Childe.
@sekaiomiruhitokaminoyume5426
@sekaiomiruhitokaminoyume5426 Месяц назад
@@crazyformyself7296😂 what are you talking about ?My wrio just finished abyss and imaginarium 😂…. I solo abyss with wrio , where or when did he stopped to be a dps ?
@vertarix
@vertarix Месяц назад
because tartaglia is a waste of primogems when you can just run sucrose national or put xiangling with most of the other top 10 DPS and play an easier team with a higher damage floor
@hellofriend2799
@hellofriend2799 Месяц назад
4:35 This is something that's been my concern for 4 fkin years of playing genshin, ADD BUTTON CUSTOMIZATION FOR MOBILE! !
@grqfes
@grqfes Месяц назад
damn 4 years to stack yo bread and you still playing games on the phone..
@rubin5826
@rubin5826 Месяц назад
@@grqfes xd
@hellofriend2799
@hellofriend2799 Месяц назад
@@grqfes That is the reason why I don't play on mobile lol. I only use it for claiming rewards or condensing resin :1
@_ddoraemon_
@_ddoraemon_ Месяц назад
Childe is 10000000% more f2p friendly than hutao. I struggle a lot with her
@pocketmonster6437
@pocketmonster6437 Месяц назад
Really? It was pretty easy for me to
@silentrhymes7490
@silentrhymes7490 Месяц назад
How ? just slap dragons bane on her and play her with Xinqiu and Zhongli or a shielder
@Ne.p9
@Ne.p9 Месяц назад
⁠@@silentrhymes7490 oh really I think you forgot to add c1,staff of homa,yelan,pc or any thing other than mobile
@thiccychiccy1157
@thiccychiccy1157 Месяц назад
​@@Ne.p9c1, not needed homa, not needed yelan, also not needed a certain 4 star exists. what are you on about 💀
@Rodhy-
@Rodhy- Месяц назад
At dolphin levels he feels like shit to play, no matter what I give him his dmg falls short
@crimsonmoon123
@crimsonmoon123 Месяц назад
Another L take by zajef. Childe is more f2p friendly than many units in his list. And his team clears all abyss, single and multiple target as well as element and dps check.
@berry2386
@berry2386 Месяц назад
it is kind of high investment tho, making both bennett and xiangling have their er needs met and have decent stats too…. and also you said it, it’s just one team too, he’s not that flexible
@Ублюдокматьтвоюануидисюда
@@berry2386 does he really need to be versatile if his only team comp destroys absolutely everything on his way?
@NaMe-zg9qs
@NaMe-zg9qs Месяц назад
i think he's including versatility tho. the fact that tartaglia can literally only be good with kazuha xiangling bennet (extreme cope if you replace xiangling with nahida) is kinda yikes. also he's only like 40% of the damage there. only in really short fights does he actually out damag xiangling and its not by much.
@NaMe-zg9qs
@NaMe-zg9qs Месяц назад
@@Ублюдокматьтвоюануидисюда if that team comp takes bennet kazuha and xiangling from the other side of abyss then for a lot of people having another team option for childe is pretty would be convenient
@berry2386
@berry2386 Месяц назад
@@Ублюдокматьтвоюануидисюда yeah because unlike other dps you can use other options if you don’t have xyz character, but his are limited (limited as in it’s only them) 😭
@crazyformyself7296
@crazyformyself7296 Месяц назад
Don’t agree with removing Childe from this list because I’ve played him on my friends totally f2p account with mid artefacts as well and still managed to 36 star abyss cycle But I’m too biased anyway because he’s my favourite character
@grimnotes7885
@grimnotes7885 Месяц назад
Xiangling is the main dps
@crazyformyself7296
@crazyformyself7296 Месяц назад
@@grimnotes7885then Wrio shouldn’t be in this list either because his melt team includes XL too
@grimnotes7885
@grimnotes7885 Месяц назад
@@crazyformyself7296 but wrio actually pulling numbers and he can be played without xiangling and still do fine
@crazyformyself7296
@crazyformyself7296 Месяц назад
@@grimnotes7885 Childe is part of international/National (with Sucrose) not only for his hydro but nuke too Idk I still disagree with ya
@grimnotes7885
@grimnotes7885 Месяц назад
@@crazyformyself7296 how u gonna nuke without xiangling is what Im saying . Like wrio use Thoma with furina
@colinrichardson9537
@colinrichardson9537 Месяц назад
GUYS
@ponderingfox
@ponderingfox Месяц назад
That's all for today.
@fnfssfbsfb4397
@fnfssfbsfb4397 Месяц назад
GYZE
@joeljpenabetancourt7640
@joeljpenabetancourt7640 Месяц назад
As a mobile user, I refuse to claw for a game like genshin. Leave that for the moba's 😂
@Yelan-n8d
@Yelan-n8d Месяц назад
Fr
@SageRuffin
@SageRuffin Месяц назад
What do you mean by "claw"? You mean like claw grip or something else?
@zauberkugel2963
@zauberkugel2963 Месяц назад
​@@SageRuffinusing 4 fingers for buttons (index and middle) and other to hold your phone
@CM_684
@CM_684 Месяц назад
As a mobile user, I refuse to claw for any game*
@joeljpenabetancourt7640
@joeljpenabetancourt7640 Месяц назад
@@SageRuffin its what swaberkrugel said. Its a term generally used in moba's where the character is so technical you need your other fingers or for better aiming you pan the camera to skill shot the enemy. In other words, its a pain in the fingers and Im ok with spamming Hu tao's NA's 😅
@legendnbg97
@legendnbg97 Месяц назад
TGS focused too much on sheet damage here, and forgot that navia specifically, just performs better than sheet damage would suggest, relative to the competition. There is no world in which raiden, rizzly and clorinde clear faster than navia, even at f2p investment. Only issue with navia is that she doesn't really have an above average f2p weapon.
@mickysaif
@mickysaif Месяц назад
it's not just about dmg, raiden and wrio are more versatile and have so many team options compared to navia
@legendnbg97
@legendnbg97 Месяц назад
​​​@@mickysaifThat's not true 1) Navia, bennett, furina, chiori/albedo/zhongli/ninguang/GMC 2)Navia, bennett, furina, xiangling 3)Navia, xianyun, furina, chiori/albedo/zhongli/ninguang/GMC 4)Navia, bennett, xiangling, chiori/albedo/zhongli/ninguang/GMC You can even go with double hydro navia, she is pretty flexible as long as you are careful about her ER depending on which team you are using. I've also had good results with charlotte instead of bennett or xianyun, cuz she can hold TTDS, and add 20% atk for navia's passive, and 20% noblesse/tenacity if you can manage 250% ER on set.
@alexleet348
@alexleet348 Месяц назад
@@mickysaif its just not true, u can play navia + any elements(passive)+almost any geo, even with anemo like Xianyun for plunge navia.
@bao1964
@bao1964 Месяц назад
​@mickysaif Navia can literally be slotted in any team, except like Nilou and Chevreuse teams, what are you on?
@Matthew-qt3jk
@Matthew-qt3jk Месяц назад
Wriothesley's placement was very questionable considering he has literally no offensive advantage such as frontload, aoe range over anyone in the list and is pretty average in damage even with Furina Xiangling.
@THESocialJusticeWarrior
@THESocialJusticeWarrior Месяц назад
Sad that my Ayaka has fallen so far. [pats her head. Try to pat Shenhe but she glares at me for not getting her cons. Really wish I had her cons.]
@yousefthefarmer2810
@yousefthefarmer2810 Месяц назад
@@THESocialJusticeWarrior maaan I burned my f2p acc for nothing 😭😭😭 three years down the drain
@bibekbro4812
@bibekbro4812 Месяц назад
Doesn't necessarily mean her team potential is any lower than others. Just unfavorable conditions and her ideal team is very expensive, which is pretty much her only team
@D4C_267
@D4C_267 Месяц назад
Wriothelsey=boss of cryo👍
@drhighh
@drhighh Месяц назад
Idk why but I still use her even in floor 12. it's fine😭 people over exaggerating her 'uselessness' she's one of the easiest and most fun characters to play, and also very strong. I don't have kokomi too, I just use Mona/layla/kazuha again it's FINE
@THESocialJusticeWarrior
@THESocialJusticeWarrior Месяц назад
@@drhighh I find it too frustrating to get everything inside her burst. Something always leaks out and then I can't 3 star.
@apoorvjoshi2383
@apoorvjoshi2383 Месяц назад
As zajef said, this tier list whilegives you an idea of who does good damage...but it is indeed dependent on a lot of factors. Nilou is much easier to build compared to all of them here. Or rather her bloom team is very low investment for the huge damage that it can dish out. SO that makes nilou better than all if that's what you are interested in. Neuvilette with high enough investment is good enough to run solo or with subpar invested team mates(they are just extra bonus over his already massive damage)..so in that regard he is the best. Raiden is arguably the most value out of one character pull since she can be slotted in a lot of teams for both her on-fiedl and off-field damage/electro application....in that regard raiden is the best even though building her is a little tricky(not tough, but if you arent going for her weapon and not running hyperbloom, you gotta fish for her best in slot, and then balancing her stats also isn't the easiest thing) If you don't have Yelan and Xingqiu(double hydro core) both, Hu Tao might fall off or not feel comfy enough to play. Xiao falls off if you don't have C6 faruzan(and if you have xianyun, c6 faruzan, furina and primordial jade winged spear..he becomes soooo good) Navia is amazing for her front loaded damage and the fact that she can make use of the reactions unlike other geo..AND she scales off atk. So she has much more flexible team comps than lets say, Itto. Alhaitham does a lot of damage even with a subpar build and he only really wants electro application from his teammates to do his thing, but his playstyle has a learning curve if you wanna make full use of his kit. If you can do it, and have a good fischl or raiden or even kuki, he is a good option. Arlecchino and Chlorinde also are in the same boat, as they also employ a skill mechanic that you need to be aware of to maximize damage. If you can do that, arlecchino might be the one for you. So yea, the tier lists are by no means the final verdict of which character is good and which is not. It ll depend from person to person. Same with akasha rankings btw. You with your top 20% Hutao might be doing more damage than me and my top 2% Hutao due to the skill difference and the investment in our supports.
@alexanderericson8628
@alexanderericson8628 Месяц назад
I agree even tho I think they are going to put a ton of cryo shields in Natlan, which is some what cruel to be announcing her now
@MrHav1k
@MrHav1k Месяц назад
I could easily argue for Nilou being no 1. Although Neuvillette as the top DPS with her at 2-3 makes sense.
@apoorvjoshi2383
@apoorvjoshi2383 Месяц назад
@@MrHav1k that is true. Nilou is lowkey very strong, i feel its the consts and the fact tgat neuvilette can solo a lot more content that puts him at the top
@alexanderericson8628
@alexanderericson8628 Месяц назад
@@MrHav1k Neuvilette sure but he kind of wants Kazuha and Furina on the team which are premium units, so the same argument can be made about him. What speaks for it being Nilou is the incredibly easy team building only Nahida needs EM 4 pc rest basically wan't HP only.
@aquamerman
@aquamerman Месяц назад
I don't think removing Childe is fair, if you look up abyss usage rate he has barely ever fallen below A-tier if ever. He's always higher than Wriostly and Navia at the least.
@briecarla556
@briecarla556 Месяц назад
Isn't this list about f2p though? He doesn't really feel good without the select units in international but he's great with more investment
@xyippee
@xyippee Месяц назад
abyss usage rates aren’t really a reliable source for picking the right units to pull for
@aquamerman
@aquamerman Месяц назад
​@@briecarla556it is f2p friendly, only Kazuha is additional 5 star character who everyone has. For weapons Catch on Xangling, favonious on Bennett, and countless 4* good bows for childe.
@cleod7439
@cleod7439 Месяц назад
That's also cause not a lot of people have childe. And the one's who have him, is cause they like him, hiper invest into his team, and use it in every abyss
@aquamerman
@aquamerman Месяц назад
​@@cleod7439like you said, there's a reason why people who use childe are fond of him and don't abandon him. And it's not about being faithful to the character, the team is just that good.
@DotaChan-1
@DotaChan-1 Месяц назад
Can any of these characters do a 2 cost run as good as childe ? How the Fk is he not f2p You literally only need kazuha to get a team that works with every scenario (And yes, xingqiu can work instead of childe but as a f2p account, leaving xingqiu or yelan for other teams is really comfortable)
@CM_684
@CM_684 Месяц назад
Exactly what I'm saying, he's more f2p friendly than most other characters on this list and he still removed it. I could clear triple kenki in 20 seconds with a mostly f2p childe team. Harp, kazu, freedom sworn, sapwood, catch and that's it
@DotaChan-1
@DotaChan-1 Месяц назад
@@CM_684 exactly Less cost and better dmg And they can't use the "he is not a real dps" argue when the list has wrio & shogun & alhaitham & clorinde who are also drivers in their f2p friendly teams
@CM_684
@CM_684 Месяц назад
@@DotaChan-1 yeah saying hyperbloom raiden is a dps and nilou being on the list as a dps too (TGS also did and I don't understand why) and he also put yae in place of him and over clorinde like what.
@mayukhmondal5552
@mayukhmondal5552 Месяц назад
2 cost run with 2600 retries? Yeah gaming can . doesn't mean anything. Cost is a shit criteria which doesn't mean anything. R5 BP weps are 0 cost. A lot of c6 4 stars are 0 cost but cost more as an f2p to get ? Like its total rubbish mate
@DotaChan-1
@DotaChan-1 Месяц назад
@@mayukhmondal5552 you completely missed the point I'm saying that childe only need kazuha to create a team that is stronger then most of those who in the list and yet he is not there
@niquitozzosullivan3377
@niquitozzosullivan3377 Месяц назад
nah c0 wriothesley over childe is mad
@rcd3118
@rcd3118 Месяц назад
Sadge
@pepita2437
@pepita2437 22 дня назад
Agree. Childe is still relevant, and widely used regardless of how long he came out.
@BadMenite
@BadMenite Месяц назад
Hu Tao is eternal, despite the hate. She released nearly 3.5 years ago in 1.3, and honestly I think a lot of the hate is simply because of that. She just keeps getting upgrades that keep her planted in the highest tier.
@sweatymobilegamer784
@sweatymobilegamer784 Месяц назад
She has never been in the highest tier. Xianyun's release is the only thing that has kept C0 Hu Tao from falling further down.
@kurotsuki12
@kurotsuki12 Месяц назад
No, the hate is because the gameplay is clunky af, ain't that deep.
@raphaelmillion
@raphaelmillion Месяц назад
@@sweatymobilegamer784 you mean Furina
@sweatymobilegamer784
@sweatymobilegamer784 Месяц назад
@@raphaelmillion No. I mean what I said. I mean, she is a major contributing factor, but it is the introduction of that plunge playstyle and XY's stronger buffs that really make the bigger difference. Non-plunge Hu Tao/Furina teams aren't really any better than her old teams.
@Zythroxes
@Zythroxes Месяц назад
​@kurotsuki12 tbh I enjoy jump cancel hutao personally, on mobile it'd be a different story probably
@br3d9
@br3d9 Месяц назад
childe not being top ten is wrong and crazy. 3rd best team for aoe on this list and every abyss has aoe chambers since 1.0. Also uncounterable from shields due to hydro pryo beating all shields.
@stewie_
@stewie_ Месяц назад
Neuvilette no.1, I knew it even before clicking the video.
@TravelerSaniar
@TravelerSaniar Месяц назад
Cyno benched as always
@ShadowBlade1994
@ShadowBlade1994 Месяц назад
Cyno needs 5 stars supports very expensive
@franklinfernandes5593
@franklinfernandes5593 Месяц назад
​@@ShadowBlade1994 Not even this, he just does not synergize well with most good supports (vide the Best dendro, Nahida)
@saimfaisal6795
@saimfaisal6795 Месяц назад
Sethos should've been a Cyno support. So sad that my boy is treated like this
@franklinfernandes5593
@franklinfernandes5593 Месяц назад
@@saimfaisal6795 I don't even know if having Sethos as a "hyper-support" would be enough, as they would need to be better than the Almighty Fischl A of-field Dendro would be better, i think
@StanTheWoz
@StanTheWoz Месяц назад
IMO if you're excluding battle pass weapons you should also limit gacha weapons from standard as well, maybe to anything above R1. A lot of people don't pull on weapon banner or just have bad luck so you can't assume everyone will have whatever random weapon you want. For example, I didn't get a Dragon's Bane for over two years, including from the first weapon banner I pulled on where it was in focus. This isn't a criticism of Zajef, it's not his criteria, just feel like it needs to be said with how a lot of this gets thrown around. People don't realize how much bad luck can screw you out of things that seem "standard" to others for anything that isn't actually guaranteed.
@soroushkowsarian3364
@soroushkowsarian3364 7 дней назад
I'm f2p and have most standard banner weapons, it's not about how likely it is, he literally says it's not specifically f2p, but f2p avaliable
@nolouhs
@nolouhs Месяц назад
The Zajef curse hit Neuvillette. RIP Spin2Win players.
@Arcwise
@Arcwise Месяц назад
aaand we‘re back
@nolouhs
@nolouhs Месяц назад
nvm
@D4C_267
@D4C_267 Месяц назад
Feels good to see big guys like zajef and tgs agree that alhaitham is still number 2. I don't know where people got this idea that arlecchino is better than alhaitham or is even on the same level as neuvillette.
@wynaut2136
@wynaut2136 Месяц назад
They're all really good. Alhaitham has access to quickbloom which is arguably the strongest archetype and is compatible with some of the most powerful supports (Nahida, Yelan/Furina) so of course he's great. But any other team ain't really good (spread can be on high investement iguess?) While Arlecchino is kinda more flexible and not locked to one team that is highly superior than the others But it doesnt matter who's stronger, both of them are some of the best characters in the game and for sure the best in their element
@Matthew-qt3jk
@Matthew-qt3jk Месяц назад
There's no number 2 or number 3. It's all subjective. Someone might care about how fast a character clears so they'll prefer units like Arlecchino, Lyney, Navia, Childe with frontloaded damage, on the other hand if someone doesn't care about how fast a character clears but how consistent they are then they're prefer characters like Alhaitham, Xiao, Raiden (pre C2), Wriothesley who do mainly sustained damage and are easy to play. Neuvillette is just a different character who can do fast clears with his vape team or do consistent clears with his hypercarry team. So he's liked by almost everyone.
@lxlYukilxl
@lxlYukilxl Месяц назад
He's vetter for f2p players. But for whales, arlec beat him
@D4C_267
@D4C_267 Месяц назад
@@Matthew-qt3jk There is no subjective. It's objective facts. Alhaitham at is the best dps in the game at f2p/mid investment. His teams have the highest dps in the game. He s number 2 it is objective.
@OktavianusCelestialine
@OktavianusCelestialine Месяц назад
because many people only compare the Personal Damage of the DPS character and not the Team Performance of the DPS character, the strength of characters like Neuvi and Al Haitham is how strong and flexible the teams they can create. if people only care about Personal DPS on single immovable dummy target, then Hu Tao beats them all.
@poochycosme
@poochycosme Месяц назад
4:21 Hu tao works great on mobile but a mobile is not a keyboard, you shouldn't use 1 finger per button (that can be optimal if you're Bowtae but not otherwise) instead, move you your thumb between the 2 buttons, it took me a few minutes to 8N2CJ when I got Hu tao and later 11N2CD with C1 even though I'm not particularly good with execution in games in general, I'm just used to playing games on mobile (like most people who play on mobile) so you can't say that she feels bad on mobile from playing her once especially since I'm assuming that you don't often play games on mobile Personally, if I tried playing on keyboard, it would take me days to feel somewhat confortable and weeks to play really well Why would charge shoting be an issue with Childe ? It's not like his charged shot are any different from charged shoters like Lyney and Ganyu, I often do the charged shot on him when I play him 8:01 sure but he is still great if you have to dodge once, which is usually not even the case because you can walk backwards a bunch, especially if you place your bennett circle correctly and you can burst to not waste time when the enemies are attacking, for exemple, I was able to one-rotate the triple Kenkis last abyss by doing 2 charged shots Q 2 more charged shots E, no dodging needed Charged shots let you move freely so you can dodge a lot of attacks just like Yae 12:00 I am, generally
@kawizy
@kawizy Месяц назад
Zajeff loves his favs omg 😅 18:33
@impostorsyndrome1350
@impostorsyndrome1350 Месяц назад
I wouldn't listen to the guy who glazes Xingqiu over any other character
@makar_halaman
@makar_halaman Месяц назад
He still better than TGS delulu clown through
@impostorsyndrome1350
@impostorsyndrome1350 Месяц назад
@@makar_halaman both are clowns
@yue_river
@yue_river Месяц назад
why would you actively click on a video of his then?
@impostorsyndrome1350
@impostorsyndrome1350 Месяц назад
@@yue_river I am clicking on an unnoficial clips channel, not his video
@yue_river
@yue_river Месяц назад
@@impostorsyndrome1350 it’s a video of him either way though, he’s literally on the thumbnail
@DavidSilverthorn
@DavidSilverthorn 9 дней назад
"oops all favs" would be such a dream. Its kind of crazy how in Inazuma the debates were all about Ganyu vs Ayaka and now both dont crack top 10. Cryo needs something new for it so badly, even Geo has Navia, and Xilonen coming too.
@sekaiomiruhitokaminoyume5426
@sekaiomiruhitokaminoyume5426 Месяц назад
I saw wrio on the list 🤩… mmmm few can appreciate my boy so I’m curious…. Dmn, they ditched my boy 😢
@deltaspecies1697
@deltaspecies1697 Месяц назад
Personally, i wouldn't put Raiden anywhere near top 10. Her only team where she isnt a straight downgrade to other units is Hyperbloom but even the best hyperbloom teams (such as Alhaitham qb or cyno qb) dosnt run Raiden as the trigger. Raidens other teams have way better options to use than her (national - Childe and Sucrose, Overload - Arle and Clorinde, Double hydro- Hutao, Arle etc).
@ruy7164
@ruy7164 Месяц назад
You're not wrong, however if you factor in value, Raiden can do all of that while most units have waay less teams.
@deltaspecies1697
@deltaspecies1697 Месяц назад
@@ruy7164 agreed, but then again, u only need 2-3 teams for abyss. So imo, versatility is not that big of a point for her to be on top 10.
@cuwu60
@cuwu60 Месяц назад
⁠@@deltaspecies1697well we also have theater now so versatility could be a little more important 🤔 though some people can beat it with random teams anyway so 😂
@hadeesumbra9435
@hadeesumbra9435 Месяц назад
@@cuwu60 I don't think versatility is that big of deal for the theater, since that mode focus waaaaay too much on characters with self buffs and personal damage. For example, Nilou is extremly versatile with her teammates, but the next theater is Hydro, Cryo and Anemo, so she is basically useless there (same for Alhaitham without Electro availabe). Characters that can solo bosses with their own kits (like Neuvillette and Arlecchino) are way stronger for this mode.
@bhellzeboss7541
@bhellzeboss7541 Месяц назад
Fav sword... Took me one year to get the first one as a day one player. Now I have 2 R5 lvl 90, and once a week I'm thinking about leveling another.
@feelshowdy
@feelshowdy Месяц назад
I believe in the Zajef curse, expecting Sigewinne and Baizhu side-by-side reruns with Oops! All Favs weapon banner in 5.3 second half.
@biscy03
@biscy03 Месяц назад
I feel Alhaitham being up on 2nd just doesn't make much sense when Nahida exists. like sure, this is about "dps" charas. But if you're having Nilou bloom & Raiden hyperbloom in the mix, you might as well have Nahida hyperbloom in the mix too & everyone knows that is much stronger than Alhaitham's teams + a whole lot easier to build.
@lucasayabe
@lucasayabe Месяц назад
this is my point every time when i see Al Haitham as a "top 3 character", i always though that Nahida just fits better for almost every argument used in pro of Al Haitham
@makar_halaman
@makar_halaman Месяц назад
Nahida just fun service, only good thing about her, that she unlock burn melt, in most even dendro MC will be better, especially in multi wave content
@biscy03
@biscy03 Месяц назад
@@makar_halaman You are highhh on copium, that's crazy 😂 The only multiwave content Nahida wont be ideal for is those limited time events where you get a whole lotta mobs one after the other. & even in those content, Nahida is good in Nahida hyperbloom as the on-fielder, just not as an off-fielder.
@biscy03
@biscy03 Месяц назад
@@lucasayabe She does fit better in every situation & MORE where you'd use Alhaitham xD Like the only thing he's better at is when he's in a team WITH Nahida as the subdps.
@lucasayabe
@lucasayabe Месяц назад
@@biscy03 yeah, i think the same, i only have Tighnari for comparasion of spread and aggravate, so i might be wrong, but in Quickbloom teams, the carry doesn't make that big of difference, C2 Nahida and C2 Furina carries much more than the carry used, there isn't much difference for my Raiden + Kuki, Clorinde + Fischil (this is a bit higher than the rest, but Alhaitham lose Fischil damage and get as personal, so not that big of difference), or Keqing + Kuki in the electro side.
@walter1824
@walter1824 Месяц назад
Did he say Multi wave f-s over Ga Ming ? Last day I saw a f2p clear 12-1 in less than a minute (with Rosaria and Sucrose) Clip was called "Free Weapon could not even stop Gaming stomping the abyss lmao | 92s continuous run top half 4.7"
@nagualnazgul3101
@nagualnazgul3101 Месяц назад
On mobile aiming suxx and looking around you suxx too so I like characters with good auto targeting, Wanderer does that and you feel your back protected when you're up in the air versus a melee character
@Samu.i
@Samu.i Месяц назад
Did you try gyro aiming? It's pretty good
@nagualnazgul3101
@nagualnazgul3101 Месяц назад
@@Samu.i I've tried it but moving the phone around it's not my cup of tea 🙂 and is more useful for bow characters that I rarely use
@ruy7164
@ruy7164 Месяц назад
Speaking of tier lists, I would like a most to least annoying idles tier list.
@impendio
@impendio Месяц назад
Also whats the meme, zajef only has one fav sword R2? I don’t really understand how, I only pull for weapons like once a year and still have two fav swords r5 and another r4…
@KagamineNachy
@KagamineNachy Месяц назад
God gives his toughest battles to his biggest prophets
@damselettefan
@damselettefan Месяц назад
i have an r3, r2 and r1 fav sword but i also pull on the weapon banner a lot😭
@briecarla556
@briecarla556 Месяц назад
My current favorite unit is Clorinde and I agree that she wouldn't be a good f2p without the select characters that made me enjoy her teams
@jonmorel4645
@jonmorel4645 Месяц назад
Yo. Ayakas just dead. Cryo is dead. It wasn't even mentioned. Hell navia is there and we say geo is the worst. Cryo is literally forgetten at this point
@crimsonECH1DNA
@crimsonECH1DNA Месяц назад
It's because Ayaka is basically a hypercarry and damn near every hypercarry falls off at F2P level investment. For hypercarries getting their dedicated supports and 5 star weapons matters a lot more. Ayaka now has a better F2P weapon in Finale of the Deep, but that's still one piece of the puzzle. And that doesn't account that she gets walled hard by Abyss cycles that put cryo checks on both sides as the Fontaine abyss cycles illustrated. lol
@thiefpotato2759
@thiefpotato2759 Месяц назад
If you have Yae, then you should have Yelan tbh. I wont add Furina since shes a dps support hybrid, but Yelans buff is not enough to justify her being a support.
@KingNBubby
@KingNBubby Месяц назад
I know you said her rank was interchangeable w Navia, but dropping her to rank 6 on her birthday is so sadge
@kuroha231
@kuroha231 Месяц назад
Where is xinqiu
@boringfactor8792
@boringfactor8792 Месяц назад
Dead
@edimasv4581
@edimasv4581 Месяц назад
In his basement
@HuH22132
@HuH22132 Месяц назад
"5 STAR DPS"
@luminous3558
@luminous3558 Месяц назад
Too dependent on C6 so he would be competing with c2 5*s.
@CM_684
@CM_684 Месяц назад
*DPS*
@ardaoguzhan8181
@ardaoguzhan8181 Месяц назад
Nilou makes kaveh usable so she's number 1 for me
@___..Blade..___
@___..Blade..___ Месяц назад
Got my Furina to C4 as an f2p, now everyone's a dps 🤣.
@boxjosh95JS
@boxjosh95JS Месяц назад
Lyney nation rise up
@stooroosk
@stooroosk Месяц назад
I have a feeling nobody even remembers he exists ☠️
@MuhaamadAreeb
@MuhaamadAreeb Месяц назад
I haven't ever played genshin on pc so I dont know what to compare to but on mobile, i can pretty comfortable jump cancel with 2 fingers by just moving my thumb fron charged attack button to the jump button And i don't own her, so my only practice is from events C1 is way better though
@KagamineNachy
@KagamineNachy Месяц назад
Why no Childe?
@dramorian4486
@dramorian4486 Месяц назад
Cause he's Xiangling's slave
@marykozakura4609
@marykozakura4609 Месяц назад
All of this people about to be powercrept by Natlanis LMAO
@saimfaisal6795
@saimfaisal6795 Месяц назад
My list would be (in no partocular order) Alhaitham Arlecchino Ayaka Childe Clorinde Hu Tao Lyney Navia Neuvillette Xiao
@peytonsharp6159
@peytonsharp6159 Месяц назад
4:40 I've never understood why ppl hate playing Hutao on mobile?????? It's fine for me, and I even play her with Xianyun too so the combo is CA -> J -> P. I just have gotten used to it. (on both iphone and ipad). I can't do spiral abyss on PC. I just can't.
@AnhKhoa-zf4cm
@AnhKhoa-zf4cm Месяц назад
Like how Zajeff go for fav, I'll go all in tomorrow just to get my first Xyphos Moonlight. I don't want Key nor the Axe, but for the xyphos I'm gonna risk it even though I'm at 50 pity.
@wuaduhsiapa
@wuaduhsiapa Месяц назад
Which char you have who really need siphos? I think kazuha is fine use iron sting/favo. I mean you dont need to take a risk pulling banner, especially if dont need both 5 star weapons
@tk-ox4ol
@tk-ox4ol Месяц назад
the banner is so fucking bad I wish you all the luck you can get. GOOD LUCK
@hiimapop7755
@hiimapop7755 Месяц назад
Honestly, I've been rocking my R1 Xiphos I spent 20 pulls on for Kazuha for a year now. People say it's not good at low refinements and other options are better, but I honestly can't see the difference in practice. I've already optimized most of my builds, so ER is not an issue. In cases like Raiden and Emblem users, it's even a slight dps increase from other options. Favonius is only great if my teams need the ER, but it's not necessary anymore, so it's straight up just a dps loss.
@48_subhambanerjee22
@48_subhambanerjee22 Месяц назад
i just use neuvi(with eternaltomes) furina kazuha 1st half and navia(with verdict) double pyro second half... i never miss 36 stars.. genshin is easy if u build meta characters and play with them.
@kawaiimika7974
@kawaiimika7974 Месяц назад
All of you are literally insanse for putting Wriothesley over Lyney. I don't care how hard he is to play for y'all, HE'S NIT THAT HARD EVEN ON MOBILE! And he deals WAY more damage than Wriothesley.
@lenfent
@lenfent Месяц назад
Cope
@pops1cle187
@pops1cle187 Месяц назад
lyney with 4 star weapon is dogshit
@Matthew-qt3jk
@Matthew-qt3jk Месяц назад
​@@pops1cle187Still better than whatever Wriothesley can do lol
@MO-zk8qs
@MO-zk8qs Месяц назад
the playstyle cripples him he’s honestly Hu Tao in a different font. dmg potential is there but the conditions needed to meet it are a pain in the ass wrio dishes high dmg without nearly as much hoop jumping, and him being a cryo catalyst only helps his case
@rcd3118
@rcd3118 Месяц назад
Simp
@jayd8701
@jayd8701 Месяц назад
Hutao at c0 is just painful
@wilburforce8046
@wilburforce8046 Месяц назад
I never understood why Alhaithem is seen as above Nilou when they are very similar and cover ST/AOE respectively. Like Alhaithem is ew in massive aoe and the same goes for Nilou against big bosses. So why is Alhaithem better? His niche is far more crowded as well.
@pops1cle187
@pops1cle187 Месяц назад
I think single target currently has more value than AOE content, especially when the other two dps's on the list, arlecchino and neuvillette beats Nilou in AOE
@wilburforce8046
@wilburforce8046 Месяц назад
@@pops1cle187 arle doesn’t really beat Nilou in aoe with white tassel but alright. She uses single target hydro appliers. And why is ST more valuable? Navia commonly clears faster then alhaithem in boss runs and Nahida hyperbloom is a cheaper team that does almost the same thing. Jamie was kinda cooking when he responded to TGS on this.
@pops1cle187
@pops1cle187 Месяц назад
@@wilburforce8046 she doesn’t have to vape
@wilburforce8046
@wilburforce8046 Месяц назад
@@pops1cle187 if she’s not vaping and she’s using white tassel that is not going to do more AoE damage lol
@youraverageguy4930
@youraverageguy4930 Месяц назад
​@@wilburforce8046I've been using C6 Candace with Arlecchino in single target and she actually performs better than Xingqiu or Yelan a lot of the times, especially in the boss event a few months ago with the 'roided up Millenial Seahorse. Against the Triple Kenki C6 Candace hits all the three stooges consistently with good positioning. Al-Haitham + Nahida Quickbloom can use Furina to buff both of their high Spread damage while never running out of Quicken aura. Nahida Hyperbloom with the current popular Double Hydro (Yelan + Furina) can't make use of Furina's buff as good because of the low Quicken uptime.
@feelshowdy
@feelshowdy Месяц назад
As a Hu Tao semi-main who plays on mobile and 300+ ping, I can do jump cancels just fine. I get 8N1CJ + burst in double hydro + Zhongli team. And it's about to be better once I snag Xianyun on her rerun since I recently got Bennett C6 and Furina!
@gonzalodiez6336
@gonzalodiez6336 Месяц назад
bro doesn't know about using a shield with lyney
@MorhafDawod
@MorhafDawod Месяц назад
In fact , you can do charge attack cancels with hu tao on mobile with only thumbs you just need to move you thumb🙂 I've been using her since ever and her team with furina xianyun feels as good as neuv you just need to get the momentum with your thumb
@oatsandtoast
@oatsandtoast Месяц назад
"Move Wriothesely, no I don't think so." Wrio being a top 10 dps that TGS and Zajef agree on is so validating.
@cybot1483
@cybot1483 8 дней назад
I think zajeff is flawed in the way he compares wriostley and childe: Assume we considering a kazuha, xiangling and bennet core Xiangling helps wrio deal more melt damage while childe helps xiangling deal more vape damage We can definitely say that xiangling is a better dps then both of them so from this we can say that chidlr is a better dps "Oh but then its just xiangling dealing the damage." Just as we considered nilou's blooms damage nilous damage, xiangling doesnt get this damage in aoe outaide of childe teams (ik xinque does work for single target tho) But what about wrio freeze teams, well freeze teams dont always work, they often feel clunky and no xiangling and no melt just means the team dps is lower so why even compare it besides when talking about comfort (which i do think childe international is an extremely comfortable team)
@MrGshinobi
@MrGshinobi Месяц назад
Zajef could just post this on his main channel
@jonmorel4645
@jonmorel4645 Месяц назад
Lyney is high risk high reward. Lyney is like Eula. Reset galore. He might get the best speed run. But it's not a comfy clear. To me meta. Isn't about how fast you can clear. It's how consistent you can clear with as minimal effort. And that's what makes neuvillette so broken. Ease of use and comfort. Especially on mobile, is invaluable
@Zhonglily_99
@Zhonglily_99 Месяц назад
Finally someone Aknowledge the control problem on mobile. Hu Tao and Childe were my first 5* 3 years ago, I am on mobile. I genuinely hated their gameplay even if they were my favourite characters. I managed to learn how to play Tartaglia but I did struggle a lot with Hu Tao. I even built her for years and get Homa for her but I just couldn’t jump cancel. Now I’m finally at peace to accept that I just do the full animations and target in a way I have to run the least. But when you think the fact that the c1 helps with the stamina, it almost feels like paying to fix a bug on mobile. She is still good tho !
@bonk8311
@bonk8311 Месяц назад
i'm on mobile as well and never had this problem lol, i would always play hu tao/xingqiu/yelan/zhongli one half and international the other. maybe it's a ping issue?
@mtmartian7252
@mtmartian7252 Месяц назад
I would argue Furina does more dps even off field than a lot of the units here same with Nahida
@bangerangandbalderdash
@bangerangandbalderdash Месяц назад
Hu Tao definitely feels terrible on mobile, I chose to pull for a Yoimiya over Hu Tao for that exact reason
@trlwaifulover7593
@trlwaifulover7593 Месяц назад
i think we can replace alheitham for nahida dps, not reading cries
@corduroytm
@corduroytm Месяц назад
i hope they make a fav only banner that'd be so godly
@Eillis
@Eillis Месяц назад
This list feels cursed, because its only 5* list, also not putting yelan there is a crime.
@koiphishy
@koiphishy Месяц назад
learning to jump cancel with hu tao on mobile is not for the faint of heart LMAOOO
@konplayz
@konplayz Месяц назад
Hu Tao is astronomically clear of Arlecchino 😂
@ihabjml1302
@ihabjml1302 Месяц назад
More accurate to say "Top 10 5 star Hypercarries for F2P", not strictly DPS
@Heatranoveryou
@Heatranoveryou Месяц назад
Naw most of them are doing like half the teams damage not 90%.
@Kusho12
@Kusho12 Месяц назад
Crazy that Ganyu is one of the best f2p dps and they didn't put
@bullseye1056
@bullseye1056 Месяц назад
Lol i didnt even realise u were there ohm denthead
@toli7176
@toli7176 Месяц назад
Navia is top 1 dps because she is girly pop
@NaMe-zg9qs
@NaMe-zg9qs Месяц назад
is this assuming c0 4 stars? with c6 faruzan id put xiao and scara above navia and hutao
@darkdude1996ify
@darkdude1996ify Месяц назад
Navia can use Sac, right? Doesn't seem like that's much more difficult to get than DBane, so I don't really understand the argument for accessible 4* weapons
@Daverf1f
@Daverf1f Месяц назад
The thing is navia's premium options like serpent spine or her 5 star options, compared to her f2p options are just miles ahead, DBane on Hutao is not that far off though and navia is mostly a "hypercarry" when hutao have teamates that shares the damage of the team like xingqiu/yelan/furina, etc so the damage drop off matters much more in navia teams
@lili_yaps
@lili_yaps 27 дней назад
Hu tao is not that bad on mobile. U just need to be quick with ur thumbs and stop playing with ur fingers. Support the underneath of your phone with your pinky fingers If ur a long time mobile player its not hard, but I get that casual mobile players it will be hard. I struggle a lot with the flight mechanics in Inazuma/Sumeru, and I play games like IDV lol.
@SageRuffin
@SageRuffin Месяц назад
I never noticed this before: Zajef's out of pocket for that signature.
@eula7113
@eula7113 Месяц назад
Ayaka got down so bad, like a queen no.1 best dps since release, then dropped down for even not in the list at all
@elmyr-1442
@elmyr-1442 Месяц назад
How is xiao not even top 10. With a proper team he will surpasss most of the dps here.
@tomabo4400
@tomabo4400 Месяц назад
Best f2p dpses. Xiao in his max invested teams perform very well, absolutely surpasses a lot of the teams there. But his "proper team" is expensive as hell. Faruzan c6. Furina and Xianyun if you really want to lament that much. Same issue as Hu tao with the lack of accessible free or non-event locked weapons. Not really ideal for f2p.
@lenfent
@lenfent Месяц назад
Imagine using xiao without c6 faruzan
@dazaiosamu7184
@dazaiosamu7184 Месяц назад
He'd still make it to top 10 with a c2 faruzan ​@@lenfent
@KeldeCharmsmith
@KeldeCharmsmith Месяц назад
I have to say you and tgs are one of my favorite' theory crafter. Just wanted to inform you whenever you speak there is a fan sound, and when you stop speaking it's total silent the sudden changes every time you stop speaking really annoyed me. Secondly, I think hutao charge plunge is not that hard to play if you played enough, personally I am a 70%pc and 30%mobile player, and I beat all the spiral abyss with my phone, and hutan is awesome. Anyway good stuff
@jorgelaborde376
@jorgelaborde376 Месяц назад
I dont get why nilou is so high up when she needs a 5* support in nahida
@serenth8310
@serenth8310 Месяц назад
She really doesn't need nahida though. It's just far more comfy.
@jorgelaborde376
@jorgelaborde376 Месяц назад
@@serenth8310 she doesn't lose damage by replacing her?
@Nephale
@Nephale Месяц назад
XQ not even in that list? Is that even a real Zajef tier list?
@sinlos2484
@sinlos2484 Месяц назад
So i put the ten wishes from Neuvilette Into a abandond ar 18 account and got Nilou, Who is the most balanced 5 star dps for a second team?(non Hydro/Dendro) Balanced = fit in many teams! I didn´t have Al Haitham and Kokomi in my other account so I want them too and nahida is locked anyways. mostly Free to Play maybe Welkin moon from time to time and one or two BP weapons.
@azix2915
@azix2915 Месяц назад
fadyaka, goneyu and sucklee ALL on the floor 😭
@vortex5537
@vortex5537 Месяц назад
LETHIMCOOK 🗣🗣🔥🔥
@nilamelody
@nilamelody Месяц назад
I feel like you are judging something that shouldn't be judge. Whether or not a character should be valued based on their ease of play in different platform is not a valid point. Each player will have their own expertise in the way they control a character on their playing platform. You think mobile control is hard, because your muscle memory is lacking in that department. The same is true for those who only played on mobile but never on PC before. I started on Mobile and I primary play games on mobile, so when I tried the PC version, my playing skill dramatically drop. But it steadily improve by the day as I keep practicing and playing on this new platform. Now both Mobile and PC feel exactly the same to me. If you have any real experience and training at all in this department, I don't think you will ever judge this point to begin with. Given that, I think there is a lot of bias put toward this opinion of yours. Which is not great for this type of video.
@michaelharis9962
@michaelharis9962 Месяц назад
Nah i disagree. Expertise on mobile is still a higher bar than pc due to the button setup. On a pc keyboard, you have a wide range of area to utilise alot of your fingers and thus distancing buttons like dash, skills and basics. However on mobile, the majority only uses their thumbs, where one controls the movement wheel but the other is in charge of basics,skills,dash and jump at the same time. It's a fact that c0 hu tao feels worse on mobile due to the fact that you have to quickly alternate between two buttons with one finger.
@mptyalln
@mptyalln Месяц назад
skill ceiling and learning curve are valid points here tho, pre-furina Hu Tao was player skill reliant since learning jump cancels (skill ceiling) was easier to learn in pc (since you have two options to dash which is rclick and lshift) and thus lessened the time to learn jump cancels (learning curve). Although the learning curve is subjective, the point still stands because the list encapsulates the majority of genshin players generalizing the player experience. Just because your experience was positive doesn't mean everyone's was. People might devote the same amount of time learning a highly technical character which can be rewarding and enjoyable for some but i can assure you that majority of the genshin playerbase focusing on meta would rather play easier units than higher techbical units that deal the same amount of damage , that's why it's META (most effective tactic available)
@HotPepperLala
@HotPepperLala Месяц назад
What does feeling bad on mobile have to do with how good a character is as a f2p...? 4:42
@yue_river
@yue_river Месяц назад
because many people play on their phones and if a character is diffiicult to play on mobile it means they probably cannot be played optimally, which then lowers their dps
@HotPepperLala
@HotPepperLala Месяц назад
@@yue_river that has nothing to do with whether a charc is f2p friendly or not. He is answering a completely different question.
@yue_river
@yue_river Месяц назад
@@HotPepperLala there are f2p people on mobile too lol
@HotPepperLala
@HotPepperLala Месяц назад
@@yue_river and there f2p ppl who aren't on mobile too. I don't get why you dont' get my point. The topic is "best f2p" not "easiest to play". He is literally judging how good someone is based on the latter and so are you.
@yue_river
@yue_river Месяц назад
@@HotPepperLala he's not making content exclusively for pc players, he has to consider everyone and and genshin has a huge mobile playerbase. i already explained how ease of play on mobile affects dps, which affects the list. not sure how else i can explain this
@dnyaneshkale9540
@dnyaneshkale9540 Месяц назад
Seeing raiden that low hurts
@TravelerSaniar
@TravelerSaniar Месяц назад
People just don't see her as a dps anymore. She's just a hyperbloomer in their eyes which is easily replaceable by kuki, which is a sad fact
@greenjellybean577
@greenjellybean577 Месяц назад
Wym? At c0 Raiden is ass as a dps compared to the other characters on the list, and the only reason shes on here is bcs shes amazing in hyperbloom and is easy to play on mobile
@JustChill_6
@JustChill_6 Месяц назад
​@@TravelerSaniarhows that sad
@dnyaneshkale9540
@dnyaneshkale9540 Месяц назад
@@greenjellybean577 I mean yeah, this list was very specific - f2p dps. This ignores character versatility if that were the case raiden would be unbeatable. She isn't just a hyperbloom trigger, she can be dps sub dps electro support heck she can give shit ton of energy to the whole team all that even at c0. But just as a 'f2p dps' I get it, she wouldn't top the list. It's still sad tho as I main her since her first banner and got her to c3r3 along the way. Never disappointed me. Using her in every single abyss. Even when she was c0 I used her as hybrid-hyperbloom trigger only one time in 3.7 abyss since I didn't have kuki that time.
@stryfer1989
@stryfer1989 Месяц назад
As a DPS Raiden's true numbers come out with C2 and having Sara at C6... That's not very F2P friendly.
@farezahmadqodillah6915
@farezahmadqodillah6915 Месяц назад
The falleen of ayaka😢, I hate this game
@WonderTheMoon
@WonderTheMoon Месяц назад
The fact that Lyney isn't here is shocking to me, even with the chance of him losing a few shots here and there, i think people severely underestimate him, his damage is just incredible, to the point where losing shots doesn't matter.
@lyzeon5334
@lyzeon5334 Месяц назад
Who's dps list is he talking about?
@yue_river
@yue_river Месяц назад
tsg, he's another genshin theorycrafter
@JosephAnthony-rw3uc
@JosephAnthony-rw3uc Месяц назад
Nahida where?
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