Alex Kurtzman's idea was originally coined the Shroom drive, but while the function and special effects remained entirely the same they changed it to Spore drive so people would be slightly less likely to bust out laughing every time they used it.
@@toddoverholt4556 Isn't the "universe spanning mushroom" just a living network in another dimension though? It's kind of like the idea of subspace itself really. When they jump they're hopping between two points through this dimension that the myceials live in. Which is why when the network was at risk of dying it would've screwed with our own dimension because they're all link more or less. Same applies to subspace as per trek lore.
I personally found the catapult to be the mostviable for the federation. On top if they used this technology they could strategically position them around federation space for future battles and would change the future, The discovery future, completely.
True though I understand it caused ships damage too Either way I'm sure voyager brought back downloaded computer specs and detailed scans and 31st century technology be very viable . though what was that Vulcan gateway experiment that worked but was dangerous . maybe was a prototype .
Actually Quantum Slipstream V2 from Timeless (10 000 Ly's per minute) seemed the most viable. Voy got it to work after all... in what a space of 4 to 6 months after encountering the original Quantum slipstream which topped out at 300 Ly's per hour. At any rate, Starfleet and UFP with their massive resources would have to be able to sort out the phase variance issue in at most a year after Voyager returned... assign adaptive algorithms into the mix, and problem solved. In fact, VOY also had scans of Tetryon reactors and a number of other energy generation technologies which did NOT rely on dilithium or Antimatter... so, the Burn never made any sense.. 800 years since the 24th century is a RIDICULOUSLY large amount of time for a space faring organisation comprised of over 150 different alien species to come up with FAR more advanced and better methods of generating power and FTL speeds. The Burn shouldn't have happened...it was just lazy writers not wanting to flex creative muscles to create a highly advanced setting in which they would actually have to THINK about how to use advanced technology and write compelling stories without duming stuff down (which is more than doable).
I read a theory somewhere that it was only possible because the Spheres in the Delphic Expanse had already distorted space so much. Once they were destroyed, the ability to use the vortexes diminished until it was outright impossible.
@@Restilia_ch that is what i suspect too. though IMO the federation may well have experimented with trying to get it to work every so often. it is also possible that vortex drive never stopped working, but without the Delphic Expanse and its spatial alterations, the result was just not any faster than standard early warp drive.
Come on people Cant go back an expect new story lines to match up with older ideas. Even the Xindi wasn't mentioned again in star trek. Different timeline? JJ verse to Cannon.
Borg assimilation is fake news, they call it the delta quadrant virus… can you believe that? I here that injecting bleach also kills the nanotechnology - Donald J Trump the 7th, president of the united federation of trump, circa June 2350.
There is another method of travel that Q junior used with Delta flyer when he tried to run away. He used that method at least three times; 1. He escapes and Icheb gets hurt, 2. He returns to Voyager to get help, 3. Q and Janeway return to the place of attack. It always bothered me that they somehow weren't able to get navigational and sensor logs to recreate it on a larger scale. Then there is a spatial trajector from Sikaris with a range of 40000 light years in few seconds ... And if we're counting experimental Quantuum slipstream, we should also count Warp 10 ... We are also forgetting the faster then light travel from Stargate; If we can count catapult from ST VOY, we should also count Puddle Jumpers going through the stargate, jumping wast distances in a matter of seconds (all depends on available power on the dialling side). And of course, there is Atlantis - the city-ship with a wormhole drive, that can achieve the same thing without any need for stargates on either end.
There was also the Barzan wormhole that turned out to be unstable, sending two Ferengi to the Delta Quadrant. They make another appearance in VOY and ruin the crew’s chances of getting home
Drive. We are talking about drives. Wormholes wouldn’t count. That would be like saying you have a very fast bicycle, because you jumped it off a cliff and went fast on the way down.
Star Trek really needs to make a comeback but then again video games and movies and basically everything right now is going to shit because of crappy writing
@@incogni-bro8276 don't have a problem with that writing in that game I just have a problem with the gameplay I'm more of a Star Trek bridge Commander Kobayashi Maru person Star Trek Online just does not have the feeling although admittedly I love the ships and all the cool stuff that they have in there like The Dauntless and weird nice ships from different stuff it's pretty cool I'll give it that but I want something more to scale something more fun something that lets me control stuff a little bit better more like a battle simulator
The concept of gateways into some form of FTL or launcher has always been in SciFi. I even wrote a short story during Elementary school about the discovery of an ancient alien gateway in our solar system.
I love quantum slipstream! I really wish that "hero ships" of Star Trek (Enterprise, Defiant, a new Voyager, etc) would be fitted with them. I always felt it looked exactly like *hyperspace from Star Wars*. It could literally bridge the 2 sci fi franchises if they really wanted to. They're sitting on a gold mine and they don't even know it. Subspace vortices and transwarp also sound like hyperspace drive, too. And I love underspace corridors, too 8-)
In the episode "Spock's Brain", they encountered an Ion drive. No mention of it... The Romulans use a confined singularity to power their warp core. No mention of that either.
British Ben, Great video. I had forgotten some of these non-warp means of FTL travel. As for my favorites: * Spore Drive - I love the spinning effect when Disco teleports across space. Also, the ship traveling via mushroom highway is crazy enough to fit in Trek. After all, the franchise has magic tech (replicators) and intelligent space jellyfish. * Bajoran Wormhole - Yes, the wormhole is scientifically plausible. But it's the LOOK of the wormhole that sells it. The opening of the wormhole is a stunning event that it makes sense so many races would flock to it. * Graviton Catapult - I forgot about this one until you mentioned it. The GC is cool because it's simple, but effective: load ship and then launch. It's a futuristic twist on old technology. So, that's my list. Keep up the great work.
The fastest any Star Trek ship traveled was in TNG, Season 1 Episode 6 ( Where no man has gone before), an alien from Tau Alpha C known as the Traveler takes the Enterprise to Outer Rim of the universe in a matter of a few hours, estimated speed of 100 trillion x speed of light.
@@gatecitten The spore drive is limited to where the network itself has expanded to. If it's a part of the universe the network isn't there, it's useless.
Actually we don't know the size of the universe. We can guess, and we have quite a range in the guesses (from equal to the size of the observable universe to a few sextillion lightyears). Also it took a lot less time than a few hours, it was more like a minute or two. Therefore the top speed could be as high as 5 octillion times the speed of light.
It's not made explicit in the episode, but I think the deal with the coaxial warp drive was that the larger the ship, the more likely it was to fail catastrophically (ship go boom), which could explain why Voyager never tried to integrate it into their systems. Their shuttles could've likely used it safely, but the writers probably never even considered that.
i agree with Star Trek Online technology progression with the drives. i think Trans Warp and Slipstream were the next best evolutionary steps needed for more exploration of the universe. Subspace distortions and Time Drives are what was needed in order of them to achieve what Q hinted at in All Good things, Humanity exploring alternate worlds and timelines.
I absolutely agree, but what Star Trek Online gets wrong is Subspace Vortex, which combined with the Gravity Well and Temporal Anchor trait from the Legendary Glenn, can pull 500K DPS in ISA run.
Unlikely the borg be able to invent when their orders are clear to follow instructions and not think on their own. They're community of communists where the foreman is the brain and you do not think without the foreman's approval. At the same time being encouraged to take intiative who is all about efficiency in working faster and better but not smarter.
I personally adore the Quantum Slipstream Drive. I loved "Hope and Fear" and that effect. It was just immensely stylish and I felt bad when they kept reusing the effect for different FTL systems after that.
Timeless greet ep. Awesome video and of course you cant include Q, I mean the dude is so badass he takes a break in an alternate reality and becomes Alarak the highlord of the Tal'darim. The dude is a beast.
John de Lancie also voices the Human President in the fourth Master of Orion game. His villainous counterpart, the Terran Khan, is voiced by Freddy Krueger himself
I liked the catapult because it seems like something the federation could realistically use if they set up enough of them. Also it reminds me of the mass relays in Mass Effect, and look how far those could take starships. I know that Voyager episode came out a long time before Mass Effect but still.
Then there was a crossover story with Doctor Who, which means that the TARDIS is the fastest form of FTL in Star Trek. While the story is not official canon (yet), there is the matter of StarFleet having access to Gallifreyan _bigger on the inside_ tech for some of its ships - particular Voyager's hangar bay and doors.
Wait...what? I have seen literally every episode of Star Trek (except the OG animated series) at least once, and I do not remember Doctor Who ever making an appearance.
We also have to include the Traveller into the mix. He showed Wesley Crusher how to phase a starship's engines to go to the limits of speed, and this could be used on any warp capable ship.
Quantum Slipstream was heavily used by citizens of the Galaxy in the 32nd Century Pre-Burn because of the scaresity of the supply of Dillithium Booker Ship has 3 types of Drive onboard, Warp Drive, Quantum Drive, and Tachyon Sail Drive but he mostly used Quantum Drive on the daily basis if there's no Dillithium onboard.
@@rwleif Not actually the case as in TNG and beyond they used a different warp scale as indicated by the TNG crew and I believe other manuals. And in either case the Voyager warp 10 is still much faster then anything in TOS as they still had traveling distance while Tom Paris claimed to be everywhere at once
@@rwleif True, was just commenting on the TOS faster than warp 10 thing, and even in TNG the Tom Paris warp 10 is faster as it was anywhere instantaneously but I'll have to watch both episodes to legitimately compare the 2
There was also rhe Traveler in TNG! At least I think this is what he was called... in the Italian translation it's Viaggiatore which means traveler... the alien who appeared both in seasons 1 and 7
@@starleighpersonal I'd rather be sitting parked right over the romulan senate building than being any where near a vidiian vessel. So I would take my odds with the Romulans. At least their ale is good.
@@starleighpersonal The Romulan Empire doesn't have ships fast enough to catch Voyager so that wouldn't be a problem. It was probably due to the instability and the presumed failure of the drive given Kim's calculations gave disrupted it.
Love how the aliens sent a superweapon who just make some markings on the ground and leave when they could had just launched a ball of iron with the speed faster than light.
What did the Caretaker use? It took Voyager all the way across the galaxy in a few seconds. The Borg don't invent anything. they assimilate it. What about the Guardian of forever? Neither alive or a machine? How about the transporter in All of Yesterday's? Probably the same technology of the Iconian's. The Iconian Gateway.
I think it’s also partly based on slipstream from *Andromeda*. It also requires an organic pilot, and the visuals from when they’re returning to the prime universe are very similar to *Andromeda*’s slipstream
@@no_one01-5 the show is based on Roddenberry’s idea for a Trek show set in a post-Federation world. It never got traction. He tried to adapt it to a show twice before it finally took off as Andromeda, after his death, of course. Federation became Commonwealth, Starfleet became High Guard, Klingons became Nietzscheans, Vulcans became Perseids (sort of, they’re very emotional about science), etc. On the other hand, the show has slightly more realistic physics in that all sensors and comms are lightspeed, so if you see something a light minute away, it already happened 60 seconds ago. There was speculation that Discovery’s third season would be an attempt to bring the concept back home, but it turned into something else
@@artembentsionov "Nietzcheans"? That's subtle. 😄 But like I said, it's premise sounds interesting and if I find it somewhere, I'm definitely going to watch it. 🙂
@@no_one01-5 they’re not aliens. They’re a genetically-engineered human subspecies. They practice warped beliefs based on Nietzsche’s philosophy and the works of Ayn Rand (their homeworld is called Fountainhead). Their main goal in life is to spread their genes as much as possible, thus their men seek to be as strong and cunning as possible to show their breeding to potential mates, and women seek out those qualities in them. It’s not uncommon for successful men to have multiple wives. Love is irrelevant in their culture. A typical Nietzchean introduces himself by stating his full name (first and last name, which are often historical in nature; one time there was even a guy named Genghis Stalin), then his pride (yes, they divide themselves into prides like lions), and then the names of his parents (e.g. “out of Victoria by Barbarossa”). Sometimes they’re asked for more details about their genealogy, as if they’re horses or something. The episodes used to be on RU-vid, but it seems they’ve been taken down since I last checked. If you have Amazon Prime, they’re available on there (with ads)
Old video I know, but, there was also the method the son of Q used when he stole the Delta Flyer. Though based on what he (and later engineer Reed in Enterprise) said it sounded like he used a similar or possibly the same method the Xindi used to open the vortexs they travel through as both methods worked by using the deflector array to create an opening in subspace.
In Star Trek: Prodigy, we're introduced to the protostar drive, which uses a literal protostar to achieve proto-warp and can allow a ship to traverse up to 4,000 light years in a matter of minutes.
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Voth Transwarp, casually blinked 30 lightyears in 3 seconds (including the windup and exiting animations), giving it a lowball estimate of 10 lightyears per second and a highball of 30 lightyears per second
Coaxial warp drive was "stolen" from Dune. The Holzmann effect was used to fold space, permitting inertia-less instantaneous travel over vast distances. The Navigators (or Steersmen) use Spice to provide a limited view of the future, so allowing them to guide the ship.
It could work if a ship is constructed around it from the get-go, which is what that race did. They tried to adapt the Voyager to it and couldn’t. The equipment and the geometry is all wrong. It would be like trying to adapt the spore drive to a ship without a spinning ring
@@artembentsionov True, but still one of my favorites and still holds potential for Starfleet(better than transwarp at least cause at least Voyager has everything on the drive still while the transwarp coil is fried)
Voyager's Warp 10 and TNG's Soliton wave didn't get an honourable mention. How many others didn't make the final list? The transwarp jokes were very funny by the way.
That claim was already thrown out in court, the game maker cannot hold copyright over a space-travelling tardigrade. Having similarities doesn't mean there is copyright infringement or a lot of films and shows would be in trouble. But I guess anything is good to poke at Discovery.
@@00784865 If the court had ruled in reverse you would have totally supported the judge, but not now that it doesn't support your narrative... You can't hold story elements hostage just cause there are similarities...like tons of shows would be sued, including other Trek shows...
it's interesting that some of these FTL's were used in other sci-fi's an example would be the spore drive something that gave the same results was used in the series Dark Mater
Stargate has the Atlantis Wormhole drive, and the Super Gate that allows star ships to gate between galaxies, the distance between our galaxy and the Ori galaxy was estimated to be between 50 million - 150 million light years. Using the time of an average gate trip would make the super gate the winner when we remove the improb drive.
In "Andromeda", they use quantum slipstream as well... BTW, that series was created using unused material from Gene Roddenberry and was produced by his widow...
The Starfleet had Transwarp drive in the future that was shown to Picard in the episode All Good Things. Q was moving Picard through time, putting in motion the series of events that places Picard on Captain Beverly Picard’s medical ship
and in Star Trek III Transwarp Excelsior (the one that Scotty sabotaged, but I don't think that was truly "transwarp" just a name to say Excelsior was "suped up" compared to Enterprise 1701 of the time.
I've long held the idea that if you can travel in time then you can travel to any point in space in an instant. Instead of moving forward or backward in time you move sideways. Given the Federation's understanding of temporal dynamics for ST:TOS Voyager should have been able to figure out a temporal manipulation based travel system relatively easily. But then you end the story too soon and the studio makes no money.
You definitely forgot one, the one that turned Janeway and the pilot of the ship to revert back into some lizards lol. The war drive allowed you to be at any place or point in time and space. I’m sorry I can’t remember the name I’m gonna try to find it. Lol
Kinda. Transwarp corridors, Subspace Vortex, Underspace - they are all largely artificial FTL networks. Star Wars hyperspace lanes seem to be simply easy to travel, often traveled, well charted hyperspace routes.
In Andromeda Ascendant , Roddenberry production, a human is needed despite the AI that runs the ship, in order go to faster than light through "slipstream".
What about in the Star Trek episode where these aliens from the Andromeda galaxy took over the Enterprise and installed a warp upgrade, which set them to Warp 25 ... to take them back to the Andromeda galaxy
The NX 21980 USS QED has an experimental drive system based on 58th century technology. The drive when active entangles the ship, crew, and everything else within the field's AOE to particles at the destination. With an effective range of 4,000 ly, the drive is capable of returning a ship from the Delta quadrant in 19 jumps or roughly 5 seconds. By entangling particles, folding space, then unfolding space; a ship can travel to any destination within 4,00 ly in just under 1/10 of a second.
On the second season of the Discovery series where they were on the 31st century, the Spore drive had been nerfed so it could probably only travel inside the Milky Way galaxy, as something aabout the galactic barrier acted against the micelial network as well.