Mostly true but awakening had a pretty good story and good gameplay Echoes was pretty bad in both And the old games don’t have the best story but the gameplay isn’t the worst either
Aaron Hamilton it wasn’t as bad the maps required planing and strategy which is what fire emblem should be Echoes wasn’t strategy that can be fun, units summoning more units with no possible counter play is not fun nor stratigical
FE6 and 7 have pretty good stories and good gameplay imo. I'm midway through Thracia, and yeah there is some bullshit, but it's still pretty fun and the story is alright. PoR is super hard, but it has good story and gameplay too Edit: PoR is not hard lmao. Only Maniac mode is. It does have decent difficulty though
Matt It’s funny because whenever I played advanced wars, I always opted to play with rain on in custom games, because I LIKED that dynamic. For some reason, I’m not even exactly sure why, but I loved rain. Maybe it was because I liked using Lyn so much in Days of Ruin.
I actually like having fog of war, but the game needs to make it fair to the player. The reason fog of war maps are heralded as the worst is because the player isn't exactly given enough tools to properly navigate the unknown (they're often paired with restrictive terrain, such as the river in Radiant Dawn that halts everyone's movements and makes the Black Knight useless, the first gaiden map in Eliwood's story that makes the bridges connecting the map depend on enemy action, or Engage's castle where Grag will use Celica's emblem to hide near your units and one shot them with the super attack when you least expect and chances are even the Torch staff doesn't reach the one tile he's hiding in). That said, Radiant Dawn had a few fog of war maps that I much enjoyed, those being the Part 3 first two maps, where you start using the Greil mercenaries and the enemies do not represent a threat to you unless you go out of your way to put Mist and Rolf in the front without any care in the world, and the second one where you can have torches lit and a clear division between the two halves that allow you to position your ranged units to attack the enemies on the other side. The 3rd one I enjoyed, in Part 4, comes right after the game gives you Mist's promotion item, allowing you to use Torch to scout the area and return a few tiles to safety, plus Nailah is strong enough to deal with enemies on her own in one flank. You also have your campsite's bonfire, which covers a good portion of the top of the map, so you will never be caught unware of enemy spawns from inside the camp. Fog of War maps can be fun, it is all a matter of the game balancing vision as a resource with the terrain and resources the game gives to you prior, allowing you to strategize on how to best acquire vision.
In defense of the lone Cantor and his boat, that map is a good example of tutorializing. The map is simple, with a single enemy that uses a unique mechanic not seen up to that point. With the way the map is designed, it takes about three turns to actually attack the Cantor. This gives him enough time to demonstrate how his AI works: He prioritizes summoning terrors, but will not do so on some occasions (I believe it's based on the number of terrors he's already summoned, as the player has a hard cap of 8 for Genny's summoned units too). And lastly, while he will counterattack your party, I don't believe he will move or attack on his own, and instead chooses to summon more terrors or do nothing. Finally, even if the player does engage the revenants he summons, it's highly likely that they'll attempt to kill the Cantor before finishing them all off since he'll just keep summoning more. This reveals that when a Cantor dies, all of their summoned units will vanish. All of this information is vital to understanding how Cantors work, since they become much more frequent the further into the game you get, and in some cases are much more frustrating to deal with than a lone Cantor on a boat. The other boat maps suck hard, though. At least they're over quickly, though.
I'd have to agree. As manga said in his gaiden abridged, it's pretty ominous that there's only one unit, and it's genius how the tension builds so much because the summoning is paused until Celica and her party get close.
Yeah the map isn't that hard on normal but on hard mode nearly had to restart the chapter because I'm trying to not use milla's turnwheel that cantor 2 shotted my entire party with the terrors making a good job finishing the work so I had to set up a turn where I could one round ko him because he also has an ability that helps him recover hp every turn which combined with the supplies means a 10hp recovery per turn that I'm not attacking him
While I didn't mind boat maps at all (and was surprised to find out people hated them) I definitely hated that one. My frustration with cantors was never really the cantors--it was the terrain they camp on. Especially since in the early game it isn't uncommon to have your ranged units' Display Hit chance in the 40% range and melee units are swinging at around 70-%, and it becomes laughable when your opponent is sitting on a Tile, Supplies, or Gravestone. Magic is usually the best way to deal with terrain in the early game, but Cantor resistance is so bulky that Supplies can potentially heal back most of the damage you've done. So even hitting the cantor was basically "pick a god and pray," and it wasn't uncommon for me to spend my entire turn trying to hit him with nearly every unit and only hit him twice. And the units with the physical power to take respectable chunks off his health don't have the resistance to avoid losing even more significant chunks of their own health. And Valbar will suicide if you attack with him unless you're really, really certain the cantor will get hit and die. Hard Mode enemy bulk is just really weird, especially in the early game. The map is basically "Saber, I really need you to stop messing around and hit this guy." The part that really frustrates me is that later cantors don't present these frustrations. Your archers build accuracy and range, your mercs become dreadfighters and build resistance and start critting reliably, you gain forged weapons and do much damage, you recruit pegis and can even quickly promote one. But against the boat cantor you just have...Turnwheel, I guess. It's just a culmination of so many of the things that are minor inconveniences on their own, but they work together to make the first Cantor-on-Supplies a serious pain in ass. I wouldn't have minded half as much if they introduced him in Act 3 or 4 and just made him or his summons stronger. The fact that the cantor is the only enemy on the map isn't even a criticism in this case. It's a mercy.
Ok I hate just cause (RD one) with a passion but honestly the great bridge (PoR one) isn't that bad since most of the pitfalls are grouped together and pretty easy to memorize
I always hated the Ninja map of Birthright because the debuffs sucked as hell... Then I played Conquest Edit: Some people don't understand what I meant to say. I know that the birthright chapter wasn't meant when he talked about it. The comment was meant as... Yeah I played that one first but then I played conquest. And guess what that one was worse. Think Mark, think.
"Pair up invalidates arguments that Awakening has bad maps." ...Only if you view "bad" and "hard" as interchangeable, which judging by your comments on Conquest, you may.
I'll be honest, I don't think there's anything wrong with Celica's path map design, they're intelligently designed to favor the enemies you face, not you, which makes sense. Yes, the desert map has a bunch of archers. Why? Because they make incredibly good use of the terrain to provide a tactical puzzle for you to solve. How do you draw them out and deal with them? The single cantor on a boat, I honestly thought was incredibly well done. It's the first time they introduce that unit, and it vary easily shows you how much of a threat a singe one of these guys can be, and how much they influence the battle field. It drives home the fact you need to respect cantors, especially once you learn they can summon more then just zombies, and can vary quickly lead to a character's death if you're not careful. If he had 6 other mages on the map, it wouldn't really paint the picture of if it was him, or the mages + meat shields that was the issue, and it's a safe level to introduce a mechanic that could seriously trash a new player if they weren't expecting it The toxic swamps? Again, it provides a challenging situation. How do you safely get across, get your units a footing on the other side, and control the cantor spawns? It's the first map that really makes fantastic use of the cleric's healing aura, since it EXACTLY counter's out the swamp's damage output. Going through this list, I strongly disagree with almost all of your issues when it comes to map design. I don't know if you're just not looking for challenge when you play a tactics Rpg, but the point of these maps is to make you think, to shuffle up the situation and encourage problem solving. If there's a mechanic in echoes worth criticism, I feel it's the witches. The ONLY reason those things are tolerable is because the AI is too brain dead to be effective. They're a slot machine that can on a whim drop unit's with low resist with really no counter play beyond slowly crawling your way through maps until they're out of play. I really disliked them, mainly because they're not a problem to solve, or a mechanic to interact with. They'll teleport in, and when they do, you hope they don't kill someone and then kill them. Not really that fun.
The way I see it while the map design in echoes isn't as good as some of the other entries in the series, I feel it emphasizes class roles much more like a traditional rpg. I always found myself using (almost) all my units for different purposes to beat each map. This is why I don't consider echoes map design a bad thing, but I can see why others would. Like you said witches were not well designed and were too much of a gamble to form a strategy around to beat. You just had to pray they didn't one shot your low res units. Also maps like storming duma's tower and Nuibaba's abode I disliked but most of the game I thought was fine.
CanofArizona the map design in echoes isn’t good just because it exactly mirrors FE2 maps. they threw fe2 in a bucket of fresh paint and came out with echoes, besides the new additions (supports, full voice acting, weapon skills (SO GOOD) and milas turnwheel)
I really get the feeling from Gaiden (through the form of SoV) was really trying out different ways to work with the mechanics and wasn't just "Oops, forgot how to make maps." I think an early example that people will often point to as weirdly bad is the map where you're hanging out on the right side and way in the top left after looking through a bunch of empty space there's just 3 cavs. While at first this seems weird and obnoxious because you get the feeling you'll need to go over there, if you think about it it becomes clear that the idea is that these cav are meant to be reinforcements, they just didn't want to surprise you with them. They wanted to encourage the player to not turtle and deal with the enemies in front of them somewhat quickly without just making it a complete surprise 3 or 4 turns after the map started. It's not a very hard map, and I doubt even if the cavs did show up earlier it would change that, but it's also something like the 2nd or 3rd map in the game, so can't be too harsh there.
Happy Kanye Yeah, Echoes’ map design takes too much from Gaiden. At the very least, they could’ve changed a few things up, and changed some bigger mechanics to really change up the way you play (There are already huge things that change it up, but I think what I meant is obvious,). And I agree with the whole witches thing. They should’ve made them like Fates’ witches, where they can teleport adjacent to an ally, which is admittedly pretty easy, or hell, they’d still be much more fair yet somewhat difficult if they only were able to teleport within a certain vicinity of an ally, like a couple space range. It could give them terrifying mobility if your army is divided and fighting from multiple sides, but still keep it fair other than, “Hoho I can teleport wherever and kill whoever I want.”
Bloody cantors made most of Echoes' maps far more painful than they needed to be (particularly the ones that summon gargoyles), not to mention those self replicating eyeball monsters. Then you get to Jedah, a cantor who summons said self replicating eyeball monsters. He summons about 4-6 of them, then they start multiplying on their own! Jedah himself had that annoying skill that made 3 out of 4 attacks useless, forcing you to waste several unit's turns (who also still get counter attacked, regardless of range) just to get a hit in. Nuibaba ain't got shit on this prick
@@robertwatts7894 They were mostly annoying and tedious and made maps go for far longer than necessary, they don't need to be hard to still fall into that category
Gag1800 I don't know man you just have to work around there monsters and kill the Canter it's not that hard. Not to mention the monsters that are summon by Canter's are not that hard at all. I don't see the problem I always enjoyed fighting them.
@@robertwatts7894 I found them monotonous and boring, adding unnecessary padding. The only good thing was that when you killed one all their summons go with it. But to each his own, it's just not my idea of a good time
Is fun because Celica's route is much easier than Alm's one, and Cantors aren't very hard at all Can understand Jedah, but that boss is supposed to be unbeatable and annoying as hell at that point of the game
You know it's interesting regarding Celica's route in Echoes. The whole game basically just straight rips the maps from Gaiden, which seems to work really well for Alm, but for some reason neuters any fun in Celica's run.
@@maxrichards3881 "neuters any fun in Celica's run". Echoes isn't meant to be fun. FE games aren't meant to be fun,. Turn-based tactics RPGs aren't meant to be fun. Enjoyable, yes. Entertaining, yes. Satisfying, yes. But fun, no. They are for people who like using their smarts. "Fun" would be if we could turn on auto-battle, sit back and watch the mayhem as our units came through victorious. I love Celica's maps.
on the ninja map Saizo ended up killing the boss with a crit on lunatic, which was incredible to watch. I also got the special dialogue from Saizo killing him as a result.
Consider this criticism for future videos: -It takes too long to reach the actual list in this half-hour video. The beginning contains needless P5 references and weak jokes that could be cut to get to the main content. -Too many limitations. Why are optional maps excluded? A bad map is bad whether you have to play it or not. Eliminating Awakening altogether isn't well justified either, since abusing mechanics to cheese through a lame map doesn't fix the lameness. (On a side note, someone unfamiliar with your channel could infer from Awakening's exclusion and your avatar being Robin that you're showing favoritism toward it.) -Too much viewer-attacking. It's reasonable to want your commenters to be courteous, but starting the video with such ire against people who may or may not be watching isn't a good look. The attention span insults aren't really warranted. I didn't watch your previous video, so demanding that I know your typical rules isn't fair. -Gradual escalation to the point of absurdity. As the list goes on, you start cramming too many maps into single slots, which undermines the value of each slot. This video isn't a Top 10 Worst, it's a Top 50 Worst. I won't argue with your thoughts on Revelation and Echoes, but those should've been made into a separate video entirely. Come on: How do you justify calling an entire game and a half "the worst _map_ in Fire Emblem?"
I wanted to type something like this, but the OP's comment covers pretty much all my feedback. The actual 'content' was good, but you spent way too much time on tangents that weren't needed and frankly combative. This video no doubt has so many dislikes because before you even get to the list you've made excuses for it and attacked your viewers. I enjoyed the video, but if you're looking for ways to improve, I'd take this as honest criticism. All the best.
@@skinnermclane4467 You are a part of the main problem i have with RU-vid. Viewers get to insult the RU-vidr all they want, and the second they're getting called out, everyone is shocked.
06:00 Oh hello Git Also I think I am the only one who loved Kotaro's conquest map, mostly because of Saizo's gimmick. Pretty much the only rescue mission I played in my life where the ally isn't a complete weak ass
@@dmas7749 Funny thing is that the map after this (Cogs of Destiny) is harder haha. This one is a hard HHM map but it is not that unfair considering: A) to get a good rank in the campaign you have to skip gaiden chapters B) You can put the fast units on the left and the slow units on the right and have a better chance to beat this with the gaiden chapter (unless Jafar gets destroyed). Nino is not going to get attacked any time soon and there is a thief that is going to steal everything on the left. Or my favorite strategy is to go suicidal on the right, beating everything to grab Zephiel and just travel to the left to escape Ursula.
...Awakening gets totally exempt due to the Pair Up mechanic, but Fates _doesn't?_ Even though Fates has a way better implementation of Pair Up than Awakening has?
Can you really consider the gaiden maps in FE6 to be optional though? You can't get the true ending and last few maps of the game if you don't do them. I'd more say they're missable, because unlike FE7, when you get them it doesn't ask if you want to them. I don't feel like ignoring Awakening maps for this list was the way to go because there are definitely some maps that stand out. Like what about the couple of maps where once you get to a certain part of it, the every enemy on the map rushes you and you basically have to restart because you probably didn't expect it? And I certainly wouldn't say the Mila Tree can be mostly invalidated by pair up. The flier reinforcements from the sides arw actually unfair because they cover way too much of the map, and you probably aren't going out of your way just to pair up your healers. Conquest Endgame is a bit too hard for its own good, but that's slightly made up for by the fact that you can do it in one or two turns with rescue skipping the whole thing. Though I still agree with its inclusion on this list just because of having to waste your time replaying chapter 27 every single time. Everything else I have an issue with I can agree to disagree. Great video.
@TheDealSealer I get what you're saying, but by not doing them, you're not getting the bad ending, but a premature one, because chapters 23, 24 and the final one are never thought of as optional maps. I don't know if you've played it, but saying you beat FE6 when you stopped after chapter 22 is just like saying you beat SMTIV after doing the White ending. At least the ending with Fae gone or Roy not killing Idoun still requires you to get to the final map.
Honestly, Reason to fight isn't too hard. If Miciah is leveled up enough, she's a great heavy hitter. All your units can level super fast this level, and your allies work well enough most of the time to plug any holes you forgot about.
Necro but some of the other maps were more difficult, like the dawn brigade survival in the fort vs greil mercs. That one was scary and required some stats to block the laguz from climbing the walls. In addition to birds that can spawn in and in 2 or 3 turns fly in and give you a game over. That and the final boss just deciding fuck you your unit is dead and one shotting a character with nothing you can do about it. Rip Haar 60 dmg 😢
And ballistae can easily kill Reyson in one shot if they target him. Seriously: Reyson dying forced me to reset for ten times consecutively, and even then, I lost Stefan in that map
Now i love a challenging map, but the final map in conquest is too far! Omni Blade forgot to mention the maids, ninjas, and great masters. They are utter b******t. First of all, they have a skill called inevitable end (a very fitting name), which makes de-buffs stack. And secondly the great masters and maids each have an enfeeble, along with a skill called staff savant, which is a skill that prevents staves from breaking and increases the range to 10. Overall, despite how hard this stage is, i still love it.
"It took me dozens, upon dozens of tries, over the course of a week, to finally beat this damned map, get all the treasure, beat all the *souped*(?) up enemies, and deal with the waves, upon waves, upon ocean's gray waves if reinforcements." That right there, is some top-notch writing.
No. 1 should honestly just be 90% of Gaiden/Echoes maps. There actually some really good maps, namely the map with Rudolph in it and the other castle map where you enter from the right side if memory serves. All the other maps are either open, boring garbage, boat maps, cantor or magic filled bullshit, Bow knights behind walls so all you can do is slowly chip away with whoever you chose as your archer, filled with movement restrictions, one tile choke points, or if you're lucky, a combination of those. It doesnt help that hit rates are pretty bad and enemy groups are just 10 of the same thing being thrown at you. Its just plain bad design. oh yeah and Revelations is just dumb gimmicky garbage that makes me want to die. Plain and simple frustration
Wow finally someone that thinks most of echoes maps is trash and so frustrating. I like the game but come on atleast change it for some strategic plays
The final castle of Chapter 1 in FE4. Sigurd's horse brigade moves 1 square at a time through the giant forest, you have to keep a squishy healer up front to recruit Midir's Killer Bow, Lex doesn't have his brave axe, and has to take a side path that prevents him from really contributing to the enemies guarding the castle to get said brave axe, and the boss can't even fight back because of deirdre's silence, but has an essential Magic Ring that Alec needs to make magic swords work on promo, so you just end up waiting for him to finish off the boss after Sigurd weakens him since he has no way to defend himself after deirdre silences him.
Why is there literally someone else's video footage in this video and they're mentioned nowhere besides the comments from other people who recognized it
So, basically all of Revelations is your no 1? That route can be literally called gimmick emblem. And some gimmicks in the other routes did work, which makes the lack of any good gimmicks in the true route unforgivable. Almost like it was a paid ending made with very little effort to grab some more money...
I don't think they would design a whole game and make all those expensive cutscene animations with the intention of making a quick buck. I just think they tried to get freaky with the maps and it didn't turn out that well
@@CarbonMalite Yeah, if finally getting around to playing Fates recently has taught me anything, it's that while there certainly are some big issues, there was a real effort made to make something good. Even the story, while heavily flawed, had an ambitious premise that was ripe for narrative intrigue.
Great video! I do have to disagree about one map though. Radiant Dawn 3-6 is genuinely one of my favorite maps in the entire series. Maybe I’m giving the RD dev staff too much credit, but I think the fact that the Dawn brigade units are so bad was totally intentional. 3-6 is supposed to be a desperate struggle just to get by. There are plenty of choke points and none of the enemies can attack at range, so the map revolves around you managing your units that can just barely tank the Laguz coming at you, and picking them off slowly. It’s basically a glorified survive map until the black knight shows up, at which point you basically auto-win. I can understand your frustration with it, but personally I think they nailed what they were trying to accomplish with that map.
@@golfer435 That would have worked....if the enemies didn't hit so dam hard! In fact most of the enemies in this map can one shot kill most of your units like Edward in one or two shot. Hell even Jill can't survive two hits from the tigers. Also they are pretty dam fast as they can double most of your slower units like Nolan and Aran. Yes they even get doubled by the tigers.
In Defense of Echoes Desert Maps, Leon and Archer Atlas with Killerbow tear through the enemies on the maps like it's nothing aslong as they have a healer
@@Mattroid99 How does Palla and Catria destroy that map? There are literally ten archers, two of which are snipers, in the fortress. Please enlighten me on how can you possibly approach ten archers using two flying unit with a paper thin defense, because those two were useless for that entire map for me. The only way to play that map is to summon and while the archers are busy killing the summons you use your two archers to pick them off. On my first play through, using no DLC, that was the only way to beat that map. With DLC, it's still the same strategy, only this time I have mage rings equip so my mages can act like pseudo archer to reach the enemy without putting themselves in range for three arrow on the enemy phase, and the archers are using killer bow so that the map took 10 turns instead of 35. Without DLC, you will most likely not have enough resources to get the Killer Bow, which is why that "strat" isn't accessible to everyone since not everybody can afford to go through the pay wall.
@@mackv.4179 The desert map is also full of enemies in the sand, where Palla and Catria have no problem at all. You can simply attack, kill and retreat as long as you want, and leave the fort to Kamui, Leon and Saber (or even Mae or Boy thanks to Thunder) You can clear it in 7/8 turn consistently
@@Mattroid99 you mean the 4 mercenary and 2 arcanist standing outside the fort? That's only 6 enemies, you can literally just kill them with any unit as you are slowly crawling through the desert. Using Palla and Cratia isn't going to speed up anything, considering that they can't do anything aside from hovering on the side because the fort is the main part of the map. Saying that they destroy the map when they only get to attack the outskirts seems like an over statement. And like I said, you can easily finish any map in 10 turns if you have DLCs installed. The problem is not everybody can buy those DLCs and not everybody can get that killer bow and have Saber promoted to dread fighter.
Daein Arise is EASILY my most hated chapter. Way too big, unfair enemy advantages, enemies that are far stronger than most of your units, and asking too much of the player with a small and weak battalion. Edit: Oh, and thanks to Logan Logic, i was reminded of the nail in the coffin. You NEED to fight every enemy you can, or the Dawn Brigade will be so pathetically weak, the game pretty much hits a dead zone where you helplessly flail at the very fast and powerful Laguz once you regain them.
Sarasaland Subserviant The thing I hate most about that chapter is that if you don’t beat the overpowered enemies here, you’ll be under leveled the next time you play as the dawn brigade
You have the Black Knight and Nailah to smash trough and roadblocks and a dancer who can refresh 4 people, you have the tools to make the map easy. Also with the Dawn Bridage, you just drop all the trash units (Meg, Fiona, Aaron, Leonardo, Illiyana and an Edward with less then amazing level ups), and use Tormouds group sparringly. All you need for the Dawn Bridage in part 3 is Miciah, Sothe, Zihark, Voloug, Jill, and maybe Nolan, (Laura is nice but unnessessary) only two of which need EXP to be ready to go in part 3 (and honestly if your not dumping all your Bexp and stat boasters onto Jill then you aren't playing well).
@@davidgraziano6235 Using only few select units is pathetic and mindless game design. Scratch that, it isn't design. It is just throwing shit at the player and cornering them to playing EXACTLY ONE WAY WITH VERY SPECIFIC CHARACTERS.
@sarasaland But you do have those 2, you do have a broken dancer. Dein Arise is not unfair, it’s just hard. And that fits a final chapter. In my most recent play trough, I only needed Nialah to catch the thiefs and The BK as a rescue bot to counter the somewhat lowered accuracy (only needed him once).
Torch item is in Sacred Stones also. I consider bringing a Thief (better vision on Fog of War) with Torch a must on Phantom Ship. It makes it significantly more doable (but still painful).
@@aobayomi It literally took me 2 playthroughs, I just winged it the first time on Hard (took a long time because of course you will advance slowly if you don't take advantage of the wind) then on Lunatic I just jumped in the first try with the sole purpose of seeing if there was a pattern to the wind (no intention of actually winning), wrote it down and then simply planned accordingly the second try. Requiring that to beat a stage is much, much better than say, the RNG bullfuckery that is Battle Before Dawn on HHM where even if you do know in which turn shit happens beforehand you still have a high chance of failing anyways because fuck you.
IMO: 10- Unforgivable Sin (Radiant Dawn) 9- Lady of the Forest (Genealogy of the Holy War) 8- Passing the Desert (Genealogy of the Holy War) 7- Arcadia (Binding Blade) 6- Blood Contract (Radiant Dawn) 5- Battle before Dawn/Night of Farewells/Cog of Destiny (Blazing Sword) 4- Fluorspar's Oath (Sacred Stones) 3- Den of Betrayal/Kitsune Lair/Winds of Change/Eternal Stairway (Conquest) 2- Every Kishuna map (Blazing Sword) 1- Celica Chapters 1-4 (Echoes) As for why I clustered Certain maps that are terrible for different reasons, I feel the horrors of them are added to by them being nearly consecutive (with there only being one mission between the 4 missions listed for conquest and no missions between the three listed for blazing sword)
If you want a little Thracia for your list, try adding on chapter 24x. Imagine a chapter where fog of war hides the entire map *including* terrain. It is indoors so you cannot use mounts. Tight hallways. Enemies with siege tomes. Unmarked "warp tiles" that trap your units in 1 space boxes beside the map. All for the reward of a prepromote that steamrolled chapters 1-3, disappeared, and is now obsolete.
Haha! This is so fucking hilarious. I mean, maaaaaan we have opposite definitions of bad. I LOVED most the chapters you mentioned because they are the hardest chapters of these games. I Fucking Love Radiant Dawn and Fates Conquest for how batshit hard they are. The dificulty makes me try to find better tactics. For an example, on Radiant Dawn, I learned that it's a good idea to have Zihark and Nolan become best friends. They are both earth affinity, which means the support will give both of them a lot of Avo (I think it's 45 avo at max sup lv, idk. I know it's a ludicrous number), which goes a FUCKING LONG way in making the Dawn Brigade chapters easier. Zihark becomes nearly unhittable, and even if he does get hit, he is, unlike Edward, bulky enough to survive until he gets healed, and Nolan is just very hard to kill with the sup bonus + his natural bulk. And since neither of them have problems with attacking, I have myself a very reliable duo to frontline stuff. In "A reason to fight", for an example (A chapter which I love, btw), I usually have both of them take on the north end of the northern side of the battle. They turtle for a turn or two, until the bulk of the enemy attack is gone, then they advance. Sothe + the rest of the glass canon brigade can handle the east end. Before Poe's law happens, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be negative, I enjoyed the video, and I like your channel a lot, I'm just amazed about how people hate some of my favorite maps of all time for the exact reasons I love them so much.
I disagree with ninja hell you can litterally just park javelin xabder or promoted benny in front of choke points and put a bow unit behind them, for saizo you can trap him in the treasure room and for kotaro ypu can just use heartseeker
Honestly I actually loved the frozen sea map in revelations. It was a boat map but it felt like you had a bit more control over what was going on and even though you had restricted movement it only felt slightly restricted and you could do some screwy things with the enemy AI. Honestly a map I hated was the desert map in Sacred Stones when Eirika and Ephraim reunite. Mainly because the enemies feel like they kicked the difficulty up to 11 out of nowhere
Chapter 2 is just pain My personal favourite is the first turns cause if you are unlucky you literally can't save Lachesis It's normally fine but those Paladins are weak enough to drop down if you are unlucky
Chapter 2 too hard or annoying? Boo hoo. Sure it's based on luck to get the Knight Ring, but at least that's the first thing you do in the chapter. So that's an easy reset if things don't go well. Not fast enough to reach the Bargain Band Village? Then go faster. You've got Sigurd and Quan to rush right up to the first castle to Seize. Have to zigzag? Return Band is a droppable item in that chapter, and the Return Staff was available the chapter before. Plus, who the hell would send all their units to a dead end? Splitting the army is a thing. Erin being the only one to take care of the Ballistae? There's an easier way, use the other characters to take out the reinforcements and use Sigurd to defeat the boss and seize the castle. Messed up? Well... There's something called a Save Feature that can be done at any time. It's almost like a consequential Divine Pulse. Don't treat FE4 maps like other Fire Emblem maps, because FE4 encourages Macro thinking instead of the others in the series.
L1LE1 I understand your point but what’s the point of being upset over someone else’s opinion? Maybe they only played the chapter once or something and had trouble strategizing? I don’t know though so eh my bad.
@@mcihay246 alright, I'm gonna start to refuse some bullshit you just said: 1-First, you can't do that way easy, I mean, in order to get to the village you can surely send Holyn(if he has reached the castle) or Finn with a Brave Lance and Quan, that way you call the Mounted enemies attention and you have to first killing them(saying if you don't kill them in Enemy Phase, will, not gonna happen) and later, send Quan alongside the other unit whereas the Ruffians appears, and not only that, you are saying:"Send Sigurd", but, do you remember that Sigurd MUST seize the castle, therefore, being a little to far away?, that simplely does not work. 2-The Return Band does not work like you are saying, dumbass, and the Return Staff neither works as you are saying, that's the Warp Staff. 3-Well, and also you can attack the ballistaes with Sigurd, Quan, Jamke, Midir, Azel and other 2 ranged units that can attack a single ballistae, but after all, you can also simplely walk over the damn ballistaes leaving Aidenn and Deirdre behind. But yeah, most of the Ballistaes you need to kill them with Ferris. 4-Sure the Auto-save feature can work, but sometimes it doesn't work, but if you are good enough and save when is safe, good. But still, this is a bad argument. Also, FE4 maps NEEDS to be threated like other FE maps, not because they are bigger they need to be threated like other things.
@@AzumarillConGafasBv 1- The first castle, Heirhein, has to be seized within a certain amount of turns. That being by turn 9-10. If you haven't seized Castle Heirhein by that time, goodbye Bargain Band. Hence Quan and Sigurd needs to rush there whilst dealing with whoever is in their way. No idea why you bring up the Brave Lance. That weapon cannot be obtained until after Heirhein is seized. 2- I know how the Return Band works. If Ethlyn has both the Return Staff and Return Band, she can Return the characters going for the villages before returning herself. Makes it easier than going back around a spiral. Of course, one of these characters to return is Lewyn. Who you can use to recruit Erinys after Anphony is seized. 3- I am aware that Quan and Sigurd can deal with the first two Ballistae. Hence why I mentioned above that they can be dealt with on the way towards Heirhein. Super Canto exists, so hit and run tactics can happen. In regards to the group of Ballistae, Sigurd is the way to go. Go in, kill the boss, then Seize to get rid of the Ballistae. 4- It isn't a bad argument. The fact that you can save every turn is a tool the player can use, knowing that these maps are huge. If the tool is intentional, then it's not a bad thing to use it. But like any tools, it's only as good as the skill of the user. There are multiple save files. One for auto, and another three for backups. Use them.
I have been going through Conquest again. I was dreading the approach of Den of Betrayal, the ninja map. I had an easier time going for the Speedwing with Saizo because of one little trick. I didn't switch the stones/blocks with the Dragon Veins and instead blocked the initial chokepoint on the left side with enough units that I didn't want to level or use for most of the map so that Saizo couldn't get through with a 6 movement. I took the map slower and took advantage of a Niles+Camilla to lockpick and tank a lot of damage. Benny in combination with Beruka to out-tank ninja units and to retaliate with a javelin. It was a slow-go, but it allowed me to get through relatively easily. Since Niles was my locktouch user, I disabled the caltrops right next to the boss and used Shelter to immediately pull him out of boss-attacking range. I do find that fact that Kotaro has both powerful physical and magic options really tricky to tackle unless rushing him with damage from multiple units and getting lucky for hits. Benny, my hero, has an amazing personal skill for helping turn the hits in your favour (the risk is that if Kotaro doesn't die, then the Flame Shuriken will likely take him out). I understand the frustrations and if I didn't cheese my way through it, I would have had so much frustration with Saizo repeatedly putting himself in danger.
Tbh a lot of challenge maps dont make me mad, but with the Wind Tribe map? Its just blatantly tedious and a chore with an annoying gimmick. It doesnt feel rewarding to beat and there’s no real ‘puzzle.’ You go in an orderly line, you try to give everyone some experience with limited room while not getting squishier units killed. Its boring, its a slog, and it sucks.
Not gonna lie, I absolutely love the Ninja Cave, The Desert Wind Map, and the Conquest Endgame Map. I truly don't see what the problem is. It's hard yes, but that's the entire point of Conquest. It's supposed to be hard as nails. I guess I can see what you mean about the desert map even if I disagree, but for Conquest Endgame for example, all you said about it, was that is was super hard, along with having to do Chapter 27 over again, but that's not the Endgame Map's fault. I also disagree that simply adding gimmicks ruins maps. (Although the elevator map was pretty bad lol) I am a bonafide masochist though so I am sure I am in the minority. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good video, thank you for all your hard work. :3
I'd say that if you do not fail a map at least 5 times before getting it right, the map is too easy. Most of the maps he has on the list are perfectly doable when you get the gist of what you should do - by repeatadly failing. - That is, if you take notes and see the patterns.
@@PBoten That's bad game design, because that mindset starts to bring us back to Ambush Spawns, FoW, and a healthy heaping of annoying level designs. Beginners traps aren't good tactics design, Trial End Error is *not* good level design. Failure to caculate correctly, or just bad RNG costs you characters: Which is why you get replacements. Playing perfectly is not supposed to be in the game design. Not everyone knows about every location of enemy, and forcibly restarting a chapter because of factors not in your control, outside of RNG, is absurd.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Imo the ninja cave wasn't bad either. I experimented with reclassing in earlier chapters and happened to have Locktouch on one of my tanks.
I agree. I think a gimmick our two can make a map fun. Especially when it makes sense story wise, which is why the Mikoto map is one of my favorites. It was really satisfying to open the wrong door at the end of my normal play through, and still struggle to win anyways.
3rd comment on the video but I’m sorry to hear about the negativity. Do whatever makes you happy dude. Nothing is worse than doing something that you do not want to do. Hope things get better no matter what you decide to do
@@darthr0xas363 This! This is the strategy I use most. Also, while you may not know exactly where the pitfalls are, most of them are in pretty obvious locations. Mainly at choke points between sandbags.
Hey man, this is the first video I watched of yours, and watched until the very end. You keep doing what you do! What you have is inspiration, a scope of what you want this channel to be. Honestly? That's a lot more than many venturing into content creation can say. Please keep doing what you do. Don't let the negativity discourage you from what you want to achieve. Don't let them win.
you sound kind of salty during this video Omni. In all seriousness though I actually really enjoy your content. I originally came for the FE stuff, but if you want to move away from it we'll understand. it's a bit of a shame that people are going around badmouthing you though. I generally don't comment all that often on peoples videos whether I liked them or not but if I'd known (or taken the time to recognize) all of the negativity around here I would have commented more often. Stay safe Omni, and may Yahweh Bless you, and everyone who reads this comment.
i’m sure someone in the comments has already said this but in the swamp map you actually do fail the map if all of the villagers die so that makes it even worse
:( I liked many maps you mentioned in this video... Funny thing is that when I played some of maps you mentioned here, I just thought that they are difficult and I need to position my units better... I didn't think they were bad maps lol.
I agree with all of the criticisms for the bridge maps it RD and PR, there are ways to get over the pitfalls, they just involve you sitting a flying unit on it, hopefully you actually did something on your turn with it, and then any unit can pass through it without triggering the pitfall. yes this does involve prior knowledge, and a stupid amount of set up. But its the most reliable method i've found for beating those maps without ripping my hair out.
1-8 of Radiant Dawn isn't the best map, but I think you're too harsh on it. Jill doesn't participate for the same reason Tauroneo and Fiona don't - the Daein soldiers are forbid to by Izuka. Also, she'd trivialize the hostage aspect. But as it is, it's entirely possible to save every hostage without rescuing a single one, just by killing enemies instead. In fact, you can see me do just that on my channel. The only particularly tricky part is luring the wyvern. I use Vika for that, then Tormod kills him with Thunder, though he needs to be shoved twice to reach iirc. Even someone who doesn't see a way to do that is likely to figure out that Tormod is best suited to pick up that kill and look for ways to make it happen. And saving 4 or 5/6 is pretty easy even if the wyvern gets to one or two. Unless you insist on maxing combat xp and not clearing the left side with Nailah, in which case saving all the hostages becomes a very complex puzzle (but still doable).
I think the only map in all of fire emblem that I ever dreaded playing was that one fog of war map in Radiant dawn where the only 2 units you have are the black knight and micaiah and the game play loop just consists of you getting micaiah in a position where the archers that come out of nowhere (cause fog of war) cant 1 shot her. Radiant dawn was my 1st ever FE game and I fell in love with the series because of it. I played that game like a million times but every time I would start a new playthrough I'd have to debate with myself if playing the game was worth going through that level
@@ImmaLittlePip At least Awakening doesn't commonly throw infinitely spawning units in your face for 10-20 minutes and call it a day. The way they implemented cantors is such bad game design.
#6 you haven't even mentioned the other bs, in order to get the bonus chapter, you not only need to keep sophia alive, you are on a time limit too. A desert map where finding the hidden items are luck based on a time limit?
The desert items can be found easily with a reset trick. Reset -> check a character's profile -> return and move the character to the spot -> item found. Also the map can be beaten easily in 4 turns.
@TheDealSealer with that logic every map is easy because you can just know exactly where the enemies are and rngabuse in order to make sure you don't waste turns getting the hidden items. Those are not viable defenses for the chapter. On top of that, I never said it was hard or that you couldn't cheese it. All I really said was it's pretty bullshit. Also, I get he doesn't talk about optional maps. However I only mentioned the path to get to the optional map, and not the map itself
Just a random viewer that's deciding to comment after hearing the closing words of this video. I thoroughly enjoyed it over 5 years after it came out. I haven't checked out the rest of your content yet but I hope it worked out for you.
If you played FE4 it'd be this whole list. By far the largest maps in the series - check Moves the goalpost at least twice every map making you trek through miles of empty terrain to the other side to meet a flood of fodder mooks, making for 2 hour plus maps - check Randomly hidden items and characters on most maps that require the right character and space - check Like literally they throw the entire population of 2 walmarts at you every map - check The final chapter of the game has long range mages who can reduce your HP to 1 guaranteed and are surrounded by mooks looking to finish you off with a guaranteed 1 damage - check
A bit surprised Unhappy Reunion isn't on the list. "Hey, wanna defend against reinforcements galore? Don't worry, we give you turrets which can't finish enemies off. The balista is especially helpful because we all love placing our archer inside the enemy's reach. Oh, and bet you are in dire need of getting the items offered in these houses, well hope you like to go into enemy territory instead of the more easily defendable areas. And do be prepared for paired up fliers making a break for the defense zone, meaning that even if you kill one, you also have to kill the other. What's that? You actually managed to use the terrain to create an advantageous defensive position? Well we can't have that, so let's remove the water. And even if you somehow manage to make a break for Takumeme, he has point blank shot, so he will retaliate if you attack him." Port Dia is a bullshit map.
I think a lot of people have trouble with this map because they approach it in the wrong way. It's a defense map, yes, but if you turtle near the starting area, you're going to be overrun, period. It's better to be aggressive instead of waiting for the enemy to come to you. As the saying goes, the best defense is a good offense. You can also make this chapter easier on yourself by capturing Haitaka and an archer from the previous map, and grabbing the Nosferatu tome from the shop. Selena with a Beruka pair up can tank the entire left side, and Odin with Nosferatu and a few tonics and salves can tank the entire right side, with some ballista support from Mozu, Anna, or a captured archer from the previous map. (you'll probably want Niles manning the central ballista) It's a tough map, to be sure, but the game gives you all the tools you need to complete it effectively.
Not true at all that the enemies are unaffected by the pitfalls in the Tellius bridge maps. You can actually see them avoid them in their pathing in certain instances, or decline to attack one of your units because the spot is actually a pitfall. In fact, I suspect the devs intended for you to pay attention to that to mitigate the pitfalls. That said, the pitfalls are dumb, but unlike e.g. the FE6 desert map, a guide alleviates almost all of the annoyance. Also, if you are using a guide you can never be completely blocked, because you can put a flyer on the pitfall, which lets your units move through unaffected.
in defense of the bridge maps of tellius (maybe the poster is aware of this): you can put flying units on the spaces where the pit traps would be and then your own units will be able to walk over those traps without falling in (if they fell in it would force two units to occupy the same space, which is not an FE9/10 mechanic, unless they forced a rescue to happen or something) also, the enemy units literally do stop in front of pit traps and walk around pit trap locations (at least in PoR, i cant remember radiant dawn) which is contrary to what is stated in the video @22:22
Nope, on Hard mode it was the most exhilarating FE map I've ever played alongside the Great Wall map. Both were the perfect blend of fair difficulty if you take your time to plan your moves. Shame that on Lunatic the final third of the game is totally ruined by bullshit though
Yeah, I liked it. The culmination of everything I've been through finally coming to a close and with heartwrenching moments and satisfying deaths to accompany it (and finally curing my impatience after spending days finishing the support log and fully upgrading statues via Before Awakening and castle battles). After all I've heard of Conquest's monster difficulty even on Normal, I barely had any major problems, though I'll admit to soft reseting... it was on Casual, but I still wanted everyone to get as much experience as possible. But, it was still a great time for me. Finished Night Breaks Through in 10 turns (and this was my first Fire Emblem game, so I don't know if that's impressive or not). Nina is a goddess and I love my Cavalier family. Buuut I know once I finally attempt Hard and Lunatic I'll probably get my ass handed to me a lot more, even after all I've learned. PS: a General with a javelin in Pair Up is your best friend.
@@FriskyCrispies wow, thanks for getting back to me with such a long comment. You have done very well for your first FE game. It was my second after Awakening and is still my favorite even after playing the likes of FE 6 7 9 & Echoes.
I, uh, I like Echoes' maps. I feel more like a strategist overcoming the enemy's strategy on the flat maps instead of merely solving a puzzle with RNG. Not saying other FE games don't have strategy of course, but clever enemy placement will be more appealing to me than pretty map design (and I think Echoes has good enemy placement).
Think this guy sounds salty? Check the comments for even more entitled whining, accusations of foul play and incessant petty squabbles over whose level was slightly more obtuse. Omni isn't toxic, but his viewers sure seem to be.
low-manning Phantom Ship is a lot more consistent of a strategy than you gave it credit for. I'm playing through SS hard mode Ephraim route for the first time atm and about a week ago I beat Phantom Ship second try with just Seth, Berserker Ross, and Duessel carrying Ephraim. the trickiest part is keeping L'Arachel alive but as long as you block the bridge to her ship in time you're fine. the map is still complete ass but I think the low-man strategy makes it a really simple clear, highly recommend.
phantom ship: i disagree with fog of war being bad game design but the way this chapter uses it is definitely annoying since there's no real visible map hints that might give you an idea of where enemies can and can't be since most of em fly. battle before dawn: yeah its pretty BS on HHM but it's doable on other modes as long as you think your strat through. also i think you should give git some credit in the description since you used his clips here with the text and everything unwanted glory: hard agree, easily the blemish on FE10's otherwise amazing map design. especially since they restricted jill in what seems to be the chapter that would be explicitly made for the purpose of rewarding players for using jill. a reason to fight: the game gives you a beast slaying skill, a beast slaying knife for sothe AND the god damn black knight for this. every time i play this chapter i feel it ends *too* early because the laguz are free kills here and would be useful for getting dawn brigade some EXP before their more difficult chapters like 3-12 and 3-13. since all the enmies are laguz, that means you can 100% count on there being no ranged enemies and can place your healers more freely behind stronger units who are walling. conquest ending chaps: i dont think keeping up the perfect pace is that tough, i think these are great difficult chapters. tellius bridge chapters: pitfalls are more of an annoyance than an actual issue, if you're turtling anyone you send up to the front in this chapter is likely to be someone who could take the hits even if stunned by the pitfalls. if you're playing fast you're probably just destroying everything with paladins and fliers anyways, you also have the full guard by this point so the arrows areny much of a problem. everything in revelations and celicas route: whats the point of going out of your way to exclude all of awakening and a mass of echoes maps if you're just going to include such a massive general entry on the list anyways.
I've been playing FE since 7, I could not get into Echoes at all, I tried. Ended up trading the game for half a pizza to a friend. I feel I got the better deal as he spent most of the night texting me asking how to play the game before he sold it for weed money
The swamp chapter in RD could have easily been solved if Vika and Muarim remained transformed (they literally transform in the cutscene prior) and Jill could have been deployed!
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Meh, Celica was a horrible protagonist who's actions mostly made no sense. And tbf I'd rather a game with fun gameplay rather than a good story but terrible gameplay.
Honestly the Revelations snow map might be the least offensive map of the bunch. Also Valbar is worthless in Celica's army because not only is he essentially just locked to one resist his whole life in a route filled with mages, but he's an armored unit in a game with huge maps and the only maps that arent massive restrict everyone's movement. If you need a defensive wall in Celica's Route you already have Boey and Saber.
Idk why everyone hates Battle Before Dawn! It's one of my favorite maps in the whole series, even beating out tons of maps from Thracia, and that's saying something
Don't forget the other aspect of Sophia's map. They also give you a prepromote to help you in the chapter. A fucking horse mage in the middle of the sand.
How in the actual hell is Ninja cave on this list, where a sniper can just nuke the boss down, or a strong enough character can just laugh off his attacks, even if he dodges, but not Unhappy Reunions? The mission that actively punishes you for playing the game, and enemies can just win at any given point? Perfectly maneuver to handle the shitloads of fliers? Flier zips past, you lose. Move to focus down the fliers? Archer runs past, you lose. Sit on the defense point? Get zerged down by EVERYTHING. The only saving grace is the Goddess of Conquest shows up in that mission, but jokes on you, almost half of the enemies are archers!
Ninja hell is on the list because of the Ninja them self who are really fast and have the skill to deal damage just by touching you. Oh also they debuff your stats so...yea.
