Top 10 Worst JRPG Party Members - Part 5 

Yosuke in P4 did the all around character way better, so good in fact that the original 4 were one of the best team compositions in the game. Need physical damage? Yosuke uses Brave Blade! Need magical damage? Yosuke uses Garudyne! Need buffing? Yosuke uses Masukukaja (Not even getting into his special buff in P4G) Need healing? He uses Mediarama. Ken is goddamn useless in P3 when you look into other characters stats and abilities. The only thing he has going for him is that he hits slightly harder than Mitsuru. HP SP etc are all inferior

Just try a party Yu, Yosuke, Kanji and Either Ted or Yukiko or Naoto and enjoy slaughtering everything.

Akihiko is a better all around character tho. Good damage output, can take hits, can heal in emergencies, and has access to debuffs. He's basically just a worse Akihiko, only saving grace is Mediarahan and a somewhat less exploitable weakness

@@ephemeralbro Also, akihiko has better magic and strength stats than ken, ken has only single target attack and mudo skills are useless against boss. He being weak to mudo skill is instant kill.

Ken isn't really all around. He's a healer that doesn't die as easily as Yukari. He does other things, but the main reason why he would ever make your party is that one. Healers don't heal well if they dead and then it can pretty much be a death spiral. And that major issue is why MC often gets relegated to it for safety. I HATE HATE HATE Ken. I usually love spear users. But, I hate hate hate Ken. Nevertheless, he gets playtime from me. I dunno exactly when, but there's a point where Yukari gets gibbed super easily, and I often find myself switching to Ken for the safety and I tend to not go back. Yosuke in P4 is pretty OP as a hard-hitting fast mage. So I dunno about using him as a measuring stick. I think he hits too hard considering his turn priority. I found the random battles devolved into the main and Yosuke wide-area nuking everything before they could act.

Character's who "can switch their stats and abilities" don't count! But seeing how he's the only one you can directly control in Persona 3....you have a good point there! (Especially if the A.I. which was alright in that game fucks you over! Best Healer is the one YOU can control and decide when to heal or not....especially in a game where you don't want to expand "MP" too much!)

@@paulman34340 p3p is like the same exact game but you can control everyone...lol

No kidding. When I tell Yukari to heal, I didn't mean for her to waste her SP on a big healing spell when someone has taken only 8 damage.

@@ln8496 Yeah, but it nerfs a lot of other stuff, like the fusion spells, and more importantly, the ability to use any weapon you want. I like that you can control everyone in later Persona games, but Persona 3's battle system had some strong points that I wasn't happy were changed for P3P. I would have preferred if it added in the best additions from Persona 4 without having to take other stuff away.

I would personally rather use the protag to attack for bosses, Yukari healing too much was always useful, and Ken never was bad for me (I have only played P3F on hard mode).

This confused me as well. Ken is definitely not a healer, and when you get him he's got access to some of the more important spells you'll need.

I am currently replaying Persona 3 on the PSP. He knows Diarahan, Mediarahan, and Samarecarm, but not Me Patra like Yukari.

Akihiko is more of a Jack of All Trades than Ken.

And a master of none. He has low attacking and magic power, his Hama spell is situational af, he’s forced to learn Spear Master, which doesn’t even really do much to fix his damage output, and lastly, Akihiko, Yukari, and even Aeigis have better utility in the last half of the game than Ken.

Ken has skills in a lot of things, but yeah not great at any of them while other characters are way better. And that mudo weakness is a huge liability. Oddly enough, Koro is weak to light, but it doesn't seem to snuff him out nearly as much as darkness does to Ken.

How about both? Arumat from Star Ocean 4. He's an absolute beast in combat, but he's also an annoying edgelord.

Sebastian Abele FFtactics Calculator. So powerful, but a long investment, and so damn slow

Great idea. We are up to 50 worst characters now, why be always focused on the negative?

Wouldn't that be really subjective? Some characters are garbage unless they're used in a specific way, then they're great.

Louis DellaLucca it would be just as subjective as Worst Party Members. Besides this is David’s channel, and he can have an opinion on something that’s just for amusement.

Because of the way weapons work in P3, Ken is actually a decent physical attacker too solely based upon spears as a weapon type. His moves that do extra damage to downed enemies are very relevant, as well, and not really having a weakness is a huge deal, too. But I agree that sharing zio with Akihiko is a big drawback, even if shock is one of the best status ailments in the game.

I just like him since unlike Yukari, he doesn't share a weakness with Aigis.

I prefer Ken much more than Yukari. His extra bulkiness is awesome. Also, unlike Yukari, if the enemy nullifies the character's element, Ken doesn't stay like a sitting duck since he has better physical attacks. His weakness is also much rarer than Yukari's so he does his job as a healer. I don't see sharing Zio with Aki as a problem since I made sure protag-kun could cover all bases. So basically for the final fight I had protag with personas very good with agi, bufu and garu, Aki for debuffs, Ken for healing and Aigis for physical attacks and party buffs

Finally someone who said it! Ken is even better than Junpei & probably koromaru too.

Shinji* Ahem.

They dont give a Pip about him :(

Top 10 worst Jobs sounds like a good topic

Don't forget the FF Tactics games. Some of the Dragon Quest games have classes.

The jester from DQ3 should be on this list. And before I hear, "but you can turn it into a sage," you can do that with every other class.

I think a top 10 worst secret/optional rpg partymembers. Could be better

@@alexninten8818 These lists cover those.

Himi's issue is how absurdly late she comes into the game. She's the final party member, and you get her at the tail end of the game...right before the final dungeon. She's fine as is (Golden Sun party members don't tend to be bad because of how the Class system works), but her late availability kills any chance she'd have of being good in the main game. If I were to give a worst character for the entire series, it'd probably be the non-password squad in The Lost Age. They come with 3 Djinn each, bad equipment for when you get them, and the real kicker, Level 28. When your party is ~Level 40. That's way worse than Himi could ever hope to be. Dark Dawn fans tend to put Amiti as the worst character though. He comes right after you get Rief, and Rief is a better spellcaster than Amiti is, and you already have two physical beaters in the party in Matthew and Tyrell. Best character's Sveta by a country mile though, her werewolf form is bonkers strong.

On top of that, his weakness is harder to get hit with in the Full Moon boss fights because Mudo skills are rarely used for them. He is essential for the Hermit battle because Yukari is weak to lightning and Hermit is all electricity all the time.

Yep i hated yukari she had good healing spells but since u couldn't control them she was always a wild card especially with her weakness in trh answer she smuch better but i like the different team build ups and my main always had a banging healing persona or 2

I have not played Persona 3 yet but in Persona Q and Q2 Ken is with the right build pretty overpowert. Who would think that an absurd high luck staat would lead to an broken build.

@@sofaris576 I don't know if it's the same in Q2, but in the first Persona Q, the hit rate of status effects was greatly influenced by the users Luck stat...which Instant Death is grouped into. As such, Ken and Naoto are excellent for dealing with generic Shadows, ESPECIALLY if you get the Impure Reach skill on them (Koromaru's luck is kinda middling, so he's tends to have issues hitting reliably with Mudo, at least for me anyway).

@@SSBBPOKEFAN Yes I knew that but since Bosses and FOEs are not immun to status effects it makes those 2 amazing not just against generic shadows. Even the Velvet Siblings are succeptable to status effects. In Persona Q2 you get instant kill spells much latter. I actully dont know if Aliements arts effects those. Either way status effects and binds are still really good.

And because the characters get tired he can be a good substitute

Yeah exactly I even brought him with me into the reaper and nyx fights, totally had no problems with him

Akihiko is very versatile too and he is much better than Ken.

@@eriochromeblackt3021 except ken is the better caster in a series where casting often outshines physical damage. P5 fixed this however.

Ken Gets Some Really Good healing Skills In The Middle Of The Game, If You Don't Like Yukari You're Probably Going To Use Him

Same here. 😆

And honestly, who wants to keep playing as the third Isaac in a row?

It helps that, unlike the specialists (Yukari, Aigis), you can bring Ken into a battle and be sure that he'll at least do /something/ to the enemy. There's bosses in Tartarus that Aigis and Yukari can't even touch because they resist all their damaging elements, not to mention just regular enemies. P3's got enough options to cover weaknesses as is, even if it's just burning through Homunculi, so having a weakness isn't as big an issue as it is in a game like SMT: Nocturne.

I love Ken's character, but I never used him much. I prefer the 'pure class' types rather than the jack of all trades types. I tended to bring Ken for mobs or particular mini bosses, then switch him out for the proper boss fights. Even then it was only some of the time. It's not like the game's all that hard or punishing, so it isn't as though it matters one way or the other anyway. Definitely one of those characters I wanted to love but just couldn't get there. Same with Naoto in P4, Kimahri in FFX, Shana in LoD, Vincent in FFVII etc. Looking forward to playing Vincent in FF7R at least.

Yeah but if you just use the ideal party (which is argue are the best characters plot wise in persona 3 as well) being Yukari,Akihiko,And Aigis you’ll steamroll everything as they provide buffs and great damage as well as making it so the protag doesn’t have to specialize in every element. But I can see where you’re coming from and I respect your opinion!

@@user-eu3xh6tl1h likewise

"Shana can't use additions so she must be super weak in the game!" *Is the strongest CASTER in the game*

Azure Neko Ya, Rose is good too. Honestly the only bad character is Kongol. I like the game, but the story is mediocre at best. It starts off great but drags real bad at the end, which is too bad as it has potential.

@@wschippr1 Kongol is the heaviest hitter and has the best physical def, his additions have the least hits to them. And if you use the infinite use speed up item his speed is decent. The only enemy whose magic is a threat to his massive hp is the optional boss Faust. So I'd have to respectfully disagree.

Scott Rauch And you’d be wrong. Kongol doesn’t actually hit that hard (because the multiplier on his additions are so low) and physical defence isn’t that important, magical defence is. He’s too slow (that infinite magical item only lasts for three turns and is better used in someone else) so even if he did hit the hardest (which he doesn’t) other characters would still out damage him due to getting more turns.

Scott Rauch Oh, he also needs constant healing because his Magic Defence is so low (even with the casque) that magic attacks do major damage. So more wasted turns and he needs all the speed equipment (because he’s stupid slow) so no equipment to reduce magical damage or heal every turn. Plus, you’re denying the use of those items for a better character (like Albert or Haschel).

Yeah, I gave them the MP regeneration ring and BAM! Infinite healing and MP to spare for attack spells that pack a punch. Plus, the dragon summon takes the second position in damage, but it also HEALS the party. What more do you want? When hunting for cash for the best equipment in the game, I also found out out that she's the second fastest character in the game and the most accurate. And they also have the second highest magic defense stat in the game, which is vital. The worst character is Kongol. It doesn't matter that he has the most HP of all the caracters, his abysmal magic defense will have him die to every big magic spells from the bosses (they're not shy about using those). It also doesn't matter that he has the highest strength stat in the game, his last Addition has the lowest strength multiplyer of all the ultimate Additions in the game. And his 30 speed, the lowest in the game, is just horrible in a battle system where speed matters. It's never his turn. And his dragoon spells are all attacks and no support, so they suck because he has the lowest magic stat in the game.

@@claude-alexandretrudeau1830 Kongol's really good if you can compensate his issues. I ground enough Gold for the Legend Casque and Dancer's Shoes, now his speed's on par with Dart and is practically magic-immune. Conversely, I snagged the Armor of Legend for Shana/Miranda and Meru. Now they're mages who are pretty much immune to physical damage

Legend armor and casques are for everyone and truly overpowered. Grinding for those means you essentially won the game. As for the speed items, Kongol's speed will only reach Dart's, which is average. In other words, it takes investment to keep his head above the water, while the same effort will net much better results in another character. Now, if only his awesome strength had proper multipliers from Additions, he'd really feel like a giant muscle guy and have something the other characters don't. From his total of 3 Additions, to his 4 Addition Dragoon attacks instead of 5 and unimaginative spell selection (all attacks that use the lowest magic stat of the game), Kongol feels awfully nerfed. I want to love the big guy. I really do. But everything is stacked against him and the only solution to make him viable is to use the game breaking items.

@@claude-alexandretrudeau1830 I don't grind enough for both on all toons. That's just plain madness.. I just grind what's needed to set those toons up right.

Your son is my persona god

I appreciate that!

Most bosses are weak to light as well. While Meru is good her additions are like playing DDR on the highest difficulty.Meru getting her Dragoon stone last doesn't help matters.

It also helps that OOPARTS can easily skyrocket her Dragoon Leveling.

THIS AIN'T A SCENE IT'S A GAH DAH ARH RAH Meru also weakens Dart’s special and Dart weakens Meru’s special. Though, Meru is the best character hands down. Though Shana is still one of the best characters in the game for boss battles, but for random battles she’s dead weight.

@@wschippr1 Keep in mind that the items you use are affected by your Magic stat. So Kongol using an item that casts a spell will deal significantly less damage than Shana doing the same thing.

They made the White Dragoon magic completely amazing. Too bad about no additions though. I was always disappointed about that.

Apparently this is worthy of a heart.

The mages have range. And magic isn't effected by defense. And it tends to hit more times than melee characters

In Shining Force 1, any level 4 spell hits harder than any single physical attack on enemies with high defense, and even late game there are still enemies that Blaze level 4 can one-shot. Alef's the only one who doesn't have enough MP to last through most battles. (And Domingo is a flying, TANKY mage.) Kazin as a Wizard in Shining Force 2, and all mages in Shining Force CD, are the ones with the "enemy HP increases faster than magic damage does" problem.

Dragonite Gaymer you could make an argument for most of the Dawn Brigade.

@@justinmorrell3446 Indeed, although Fiona and Meg are in their own tier of Dawn Brigade "craptitude". Leonardo is pretty close behind, but at least he does chip damage in one or two chapters.

@@justinmorrell3446 The only good Dawn Brigade characters are the two leads, and Nolan....Edward is at least decent! But as Davned pointed out, the rest are garbage! Characters who are not "official Dawn Brigade" don't count other then Fiona and Meg (I kind of treat the Priestess and her Childhood friend the Soldier who is NOT my Valkyrie Goddess "Nephenee" as members by default despite joining later!) as the Wolf Queen is OP and returning PoR character's in Part 1 get their bonuses if you transferred maxed stats for them....and even then they end up good with the stats RD give them by default (except the kid mage & his pet Tiger man......their late game return is inexcusable! especially since they still have their stats from Part 1 where you left it! What were the developers "thinking!")

Fiona is a heavy flip of the coin unit, where most of her growth rates are between 40% and 60% (only magic is below this being at 15%). Her best benefit is her affinity (earth) as it has the highest avoid bonus. She isn't typically worth the effort, but honestly I don't think putting most tactics rpgs on here really works to begin with.

Fire Emblem is more of an SRPG than a traditional JRPG, and you could make a whole bloody top 50 worst Fire Emblem characters pretty easily.

I prefer the original Wild ARMS over its remake because at least you don't have crappy and useless characters like Emma throughout the game. Never played Lost Odyssey because of that Xbox 360 exclusivity so I can't say anything about it. I agree on Noel being useless in Star Ocean 2 and Ken in Persona 3, though the latter is kinda required in the early parts of The Answer until you get access to everyone. One thing I ALSO agree on is the stupid idea of devs giving us new party members very late (like Himi) or just right when you start the final dungeon (like the aforementioned Emma) because they're pointless and no one wants to waste their time building them up. Another great list as always, David! Keep it up, man! :)

Sophia from Fire Emblem 6. Literally designed to be dead weight. You get her in the worst chapter in the game, she's so weak even at the start of the game she'd still suck, Raigh/Ray exists, Niime comes later and is a powerful prepromote with great staff untility, her growths aren't good enough to be considered an Est and you can't even let her die immediately unless you want the bad ending while you're already trying to protect Roy's worthless ass.

Tink from Disgaea 2

davidvinc PLEASE make a discord server you amazing man

Finally... Shana/Miranda is on a fricken list... *No additions = sucky archer...* Even Rakion's Chaos Archer does multi-hit... aside her basic archer form only shoots 1 arrow at a time...

And compared to the other 1 turn characters he really falls flat. Big can go through poison on the map and is a tank that can take a lot of punishment, Cream is the best support in the game and Omega is a powerhouse that can take a lot of abuse and then tear enemies apart in return. Battles would be over in seconds if he got two turns.

Gj exposing him wtf is he talking about 😅

@@willamdafoe9300 Some people only look at the initial low hp, low physical damage, and lack of additions and write her off. She's easily the best/second best character in the game. It's stupid since no one whines that the white mage/black mage has low hp and does low physical damage in other games.

She is definitely one of the best in the game. I use to think she was bad, until I played the game again. In the Japanese edition, she is a must have in bosses. In American, just having meru is fine, but I still use shana or miranda for heals

@@eddiemeddie2018 Meru is pretty good even though she only has a Healing Breeze spell instead of Healing Rain like Shana/Miranda. In certain situations Meru's healing spell can be better since it restores status effects as well. I usually always have either Shana/Miranda or Meru in my party depending on how I'm feeling for that particular playthrough. Maybe Rose if I want a little more challenge.

@@ZeredHeizien What I remember is that Shana's white dragon spell also restores stats effects. I remember I was facing an enemy that poisoned dart and I used her spell and removed that effect.

Saw one RU-vidr steamroll through bonus bosses by spamming this technique. Can't remember who though.

Zed worst party member.

I also just remembered that Mariel was playable and pathetically weak. The game practically punished you by putting her in your party . Fortunately, you only have to put up with her for only a short time.

@@true-omegaid8467 Hey! Don't diss Zed! How could you possible call him the worst party member, I mean it's ZED! How cool was it that you could play as him. 😍

@@SomeRPGFan he's just cool.

Here's the problem with Himi though - she joins when the game is 90% over. If she joined sooner (like Mia or Piers) she probably wouldn't be on the list since you have had time to use her. By the point Himi and Eoleo join, you already have an endgame party ready to go. Sure, you can argue the same for the OG 4 in Golden Sun the Lost age, except they had their own game all to themselves.

@@Terestrasz I guess the main issue regarding Himi and Eoleo would be just how late the Sea Navigation gets introduced, having them joining early would be weird, it could've been much better if there were a few more dungeons so they could get a chance to catch up to the rest of the party before jumping at the final dungeon, I mean, the super-bosses are still there, but I doubt they may be able to help there

@@Kelm_Kisaragi Yep, that's really the problem - they join too late.

Admittedly hard to give a party viable moveset to an animal. At least we have the likes of Red XIII and Repede.

@@ArcCaravan Don't forget Blanca from Shadow Hearts 2! He was pretty awesome, and worked just as well as any other character you could play as.

@@ArcCaravan Sad, but true. They were good along with the dog in dragon age 1. He had a pounce ability where he'd go for their throat and pin them for a short period. ​@BYERE Haven't tried Shadow hearts 2. Ill have to try to find it and give it a look!

@@BYERE Can't forget a game I never heard of. Nothing against the game, I just never heard of it.

Morgana in Persona 5 is a great example of an Animal Mascoot who is also a great Partymember. Now it comes down to ones playstayle but, Joker aside, he and Ann are my best most useful partymembers. From the second battle in the game all the way to the twins. Morgana is my favorite Persona 5 Character in Persona 5. One of the reasons is that he is so dam useful in both story and gameplay. Small things like telling Joker to wear different clothes to not stand out, big things like helping the team to cross a dessert. Healing, exploting wind weaknesses, becoming a crit god latter, his incredible useful Infiltration tools, he turns the Super boss against the Twins in to a cake walk. Okay that is not a particular dificult super boss in the first place but I still apriciate his contributions. In Persona Q and Q2 Koromaru was a pretty cool animal teamate aswell and Morgana was pretty good in PQ2 aswell. I have not played Persona 5 the Royal yet.

Or put Claude, Dias Ashton Chisato or Oprah in your party and achieve better results witha third of the effort. And Noels best spell doesn't work on flying and Juggled enemies. As much as I love Celine and Leon as characters, Magic users are kinda left in the dust by fighters at endgame in Star Ocean 2. Second Evolution removed the Spell mixing from the original version too.

@@Fighter600 They did? Son of a...well, at least Noel remains the worse.

​@@AkaiAzul Noel can equip armor that Rena can't so he does have some utility and as said above about star ocean 2 Opera > Fighters with quick midrange multi-hit attacks > Fighters > Healers > Mages

True.

Yukari doesn't even get the dyne versions of Wind, while Ken has pretty good Electrical and Physical attack, while also having Hama and Healing spells as a bonus

@@adachisans5664 Actually, I don't know if you made it that far into the game but Yukari does actually learn Garu/Magarudyne via via Persona Evolution. The main thing is, even though Yukari has the highest base Magic stat of all characters (92 compared to Mitsuru's 84-82 I forgot which), she does not learn Wind Boost/Amp so her offenses are almost entirely worthless besides knockdown in the endgame.

@@viggy1637 oh wow, you are right, i actually don't remember where that came from, but, i didn't use Yukari in my final team, mostly because i don't like her as a character

Eff you. The Princess was at least remotely useful.

He's only really useful in battles where melee is required, otherwise I totally agree with you.

Even then you have much better Immortal characters who can hit just as or even harder then he can.

He's terrible on his own for sure, but it's great for Kaim and Seth to finally be able to learn some good melee abilities from someone.

Answer is an Optional Epilogue mode! I believe he's talking about Ken "main story Presentation!"

@@paulman34340 Y'know, the main game is also optional.

@@damthatssick Honestly my friend. "All game's are optional to play or not!" (I know what you're trying to say in that you can play the Answer at anytime you wish! But again this is Ken being analysis's as he is in the main story. Answer plays slightly different then the main story with it's functions meaning some character's end up more useful because of circumstances! It's kind of like How in the DLC side story in Three Houses, some character's from the main game have to be seen and reviewed differently because you don't have the option to freely pick any class to put said character in. And with the side story functioning like Fire Emblem's BEFORE SACRED STONES/ NOT GAIDEN! but like the Radiant Games when it comes to inbetwen chapter functions. You have to play it different then the main game! Same with The Answer to Persona 3's main story!)

He was meh in the Answer imo. There was this one boss (forgot the name) that threw around Mudoons/Hamaons with insane hit rate whenever a member was weak to death/light. I had to switch Ken out and grind out Akihiko for that reason.

Kiwi is situational, he is a physical tank but he has a small HP pool making him weak to magic. I think I remember him getting some good attack and HP stat boosters can make him much more durable by affect of him taking one HP from most everything. Also "He is shivering, will you name him?"

He's a pretty worthless character. "Fighting tires me. Talking tires me. I'm tired."

Zed worst party member.

Vinasear Still my favorite Turn Based RPG.

@@kainzilla5 it was my first old style rpg, so it was the game that got me into JRPGs

At least Thief becomes Ninja with the job rank up.

I only go for the Thief so I can have a Ninja later on.

Wasn't the Thief somehow really good at running from battle if placed correctly in the party?

@@g40rc378 could also work as an item specialist due to being fast and when becoming a Ninja oh man I heard it gets fun

He has some uses, and is completely in line with the other classes for every remake of FF1, so it wouldn't be an impactful entry on a list and many people might disagree.

Absolutely wrong about Shana/Miranda. They're easily one of the best characters in the game. Their high speed alone makes them amazing but they have so much more to offer than just speed. They have the best magic stat in the game and the best Dragoon Magic in the game. All of their Dragoon Magic is good, and their final spell is not only the best in the game but the only final spell worth using. They also level up their Dragoon Level super fast since they themselves are super fast and every time their dragoon level increases the amount of SP they get per attack increases as well, meaning Dragoon Level increases even faster. They don't even require much effort to be good, their only real weakness is the low HP. The Therapy Ring obtained on the second Hellena visit will recover 10% HP every turn which is a ton of free healing since she's so fast, combine that with a Defend and that's 20% HP recovered per turn with the added bonus of 50% damage reduction. The Dragon Helm obtained on Disk 3 will increase their HP by 50% which removes their low HP problem. Soon after you get the Mage Ring which recovers 10% MP every turn and is a good replacement for the Therapy Ring. This will make sure she always has a ton of MP due to how fast she is so spell casting will never be a problem. Honestly whenever I see people try to say Shana/Miranda are not only bad characters but the worst in the game I can't help but think they never used them beyond the required moments and they have no idea what they're talking about. Kongol, Haschel, and Rose are all far worse than Shana/Miranda.

You might want to check out my "most annoying characters video" for my take on Vaan.

Vaan may suck as a character, but as a party member he's pretty much the BEST character, dude literally has like no weaknesses, and is great at pretty much any role.

In a sense, he is not the protagonist of the story, but the character from whose perspective we experience the events unfold. It was an interesting idea, even if Vaan is a little too whiny.

I agree about Adam, but I think Arthur's other gimmick is that his stats also get higher than the other knights after his promotion.

Adam does have low starting viability, but the game lets you freely level up characters and he's actually got good stats with some work in him. Arthur is kinda the same way too, but he actually ends up with the best stats among your centaurs during late game, you just have to really put in work before it starts paying off

@@shikadude95 If you want to talk terrible characters from Shining Force 1, it's hard to beat Hans. He's extremely fragile as a character and never really makes much difference in battle, aside from against flying enemies perhaps. Once you recruit a second archer then there's no real reason to keep him in the party.

@@Gurasola agreed. Honestly most of the archers in the game are terrible, they just have the advantage of attacking from afar while other units are in front. But it's a poor payoff for their lack of damage. Hans is definitely the worst of them, though 😒

@@shikadude95 Lyle has great attack power, but that centaur movement kills him sometimes. Especially since his first battle after he joins, is the fight to Mishaela's castle.

Michael Lewis/Gaga for Saga. How are you?

@@egregiousarts6088 I'm doing well.

Koromau got buffed too, Guilliotines everything

Kongol is seriously one of the worst party members in JRPG history. Speed is arguably the most important stat in the game and his Speed is so awful most characters, enemies included, will get 2-3 turns for every 1 of his. His Attack stat, while the highest in the game, doesn't mean much since his Additions are horrible and everyone else will out damage him anyways since they're faster than him. His Magic Defense is so horrible that 1-2 Wind element attacks will kill him even though he has the highest HP in the game. He is terrible in every conceivable way.

Already did community poll for the parts 1-4.

I can come up with more infamous one. Icicle Disaster

He stinks. I see no reason why the Valkyrie would recruit him.

chocobros1 So many Fire Emblem archers should be on this list, but as he says, he likes archers, which.... stinks. Gordin, Wolt, Wil, and Rebecca are even worse than the likes of Virion in my eyes.

@@godcloakburmy1480 Say, I've also seen H'aanit from Octopath Traveler suggested for these lists. Seems like you could make a worst party members list of archers alone.

@@godcloakburmy1480 Considering this vid, David seems able too look past personal preferences if a character is legitimately bad.

@@chocobros1 Haanit? Why? I don't think any character from Octopath is outright bad. All of the base classes have their use, and every base class can be put on another character if you want access to it. The only reason certain characters might be considered better is if their base class combines particularly well with one of the end game classes, but the only superb combinations I can think of are combining Tressa or Olberic with the Rune Knight class.

@@seanfisher6904 That's just what I've seen in the comments so idk, I dropped that game after a dozen hours or so

I've played Ys Origins, 1, 2, 3, 4 (all 3 versions), and 7 so far.