Top 10 Worst New Systems and Gameplay Features Added to World of Warcraft 

Crazy how they never listen to players, and yet, dare complain that player never like anything. We literally keep telling Dev what to do, and they keep not doing it, so fuck blizz.

@@indeed2207 Yeah, and your ideas are even shittier than Blizzard's 99% of the time.

Amen, brother.

@@indeed2207they should not listen to you lol thats not their job. They should however take the feedback. It would be a shit storm if players just always decided the game.

@@deeepdish ​​⁠ I’m sorry but that is a laughably bad take. Look at other studios like Larian or GGG and how they listen to their communities and their games are better for it! I’m not saying there aren’t bad actors within communities, but devs shouldn’t have a “our way or the highway” mentality, you’re gonna push potential customers away or make veteran players leave (which many have). No studio is perfect, but there should be dialogue!

Number one on that lists gotta be pave badges given how much people demand them rn

Reforging for me. Never understood why it was not added back in after hit and expertise got removed.

Resilience rating :(

@@PelleLolWut count me too on that like. I believe it was because blizzard was about to add demon hunters in legion, where they gain movement speed by mastery and the reforging was 40%. my dh have 13,5 increased movement speed with just 167 ilvl, let alone when max it. Imaging the items that doesn't have mastery reforge the highest secondary stat to mastery.

@@PelleLolWut 100% reforging. "we removed it because we wanted to allow players to equip upgrades straight away without having to go to the city to reforge or enchant it" :(((( they shouldnt have done that

I hated all BFA systems, corruptions were fine but still pretty bad

Bfa tried alot and failed

@@patrickjin6610 corruptions were fine? lol it was the worst part of bfa

@@patrickjin6610 I agree. Corruptions were SUPER fun to do massive damage and risk the deaths, but realllly bad for the game as the randomness (and deaths lol) is not good for play/progression

@@treymadison4592 On one hand 450k dps and tier 3 orbital strikes and KAPOW! BLAM! SPLAT! Things falling over dead at your feet... and BZZZAPPP NYOOOOOM PSSHHH and firing giant laser beams. On the other hand? My savage Orc Fury Warrior in his bad-ass mog, dual-wielding his 2 bad-ass GIANT axes... and his literal rotation was Charge... and by the time I'd appear at the enemy I was targeting, not only they would be dead, but everything within 10 yards too... by a random Orbital Strike... And then, the _pièce de résistance._ The _cherry on top_ of it all? My fucking magical girl lovu-lovu-beamu. Stood in the middle of a pack of enemies... firing a fucking laser beam from his necklace. I'm not an RPer, so things like that normally don't bug me... but you've gotta laugh haven't you? But... I can't deny it didn't feel damn good at the time. Sure, being hardcore it made it a mundane grind of levelling up your cloak and staying on top of BiS essences and corruption rolls, but, if you look at anyone else remotely more casual, they're getting random items that blow shit up at the end of an expansion where it's like "fuck it... we might as well go nuts before the next expansion comes and strips us of our power, again." It's not what I want from WoW, put it that way... but, if it gets to that stage in Shadowlands and starts mimicking BfA where I lost interest from the start all the way up until the Mechagon patch, I'll be well glad for something _like_ (but not) corruptions.

More or less. Almost all of BFA's main systems were... flawed. (hell one were flawed due to the other being REALLY flawed) I personally found island expeditions really fun... And I liked the CONCEPT of the warfronts... (even if they REALLY needed to be balanced to be more interesting and be a PvP option) But yeah, every system in BFA had so, so many flaws.

But like he said, rather than being about exploring the island expedition was less about exploring and more about mass mob pulls which got old fast. I love to explore the game so islands were a let down because my group always yelled at me for wandering off.

BFA and WoD mainly.

@@ZombieSlayerTakashi WoD is nothing like BFA. The issue people had with WoD wasn't about systems it was mainly because of lack of content and the content besides raiding that you could do revolved around garrisons. BFA had multiple new systems and ideas and non of them worked out well it's completely different

pretty much when BFA launched i just had no drive to even start the expac. maybe i burnt myself out in legion but when when i would re sub thinking maybe if i play it might sweep into wanting to play but nope nothing. i'm back now and it's'fun i missed this game and i do feel a lot of regret for missing content when it was current.

I liked the weapon skills too! It makes sense that if you've spent 4 adventures with a sword, you'll be way better with a sword than a battleaxe. ...It needed some rework, admittedly, to prevent long AFK auto-attack farming

​@@saphironkindris its not realistic for a trained warrior to pick up an axe and literally being unable to hit anything with it lol

@@soleo2783 Yeah, As I said, it needed some reworks.

Original Lacerate at number 1!

Warriors rend in classic

Whole Frost Mage's rotaion at the release of Shadowlands LOL

@@HukarusHuko don't forget Fury, survival, Demonology, Havoc and assasination oh and last but not least frost dk

@@HukarusHuko I swear that when I played Frostfire Mage in the middle of Wrath it had been determined that Ice Lance was a net DPS loss even against Frozen enemies.

I feel like azerite armors wouldnt be too bad if they designed it with the same level of complexity and diversity as the legion artifacts. Essence is fine, just need better balancing and be shared ACCOUNT WIDE!

So... I dont see you explaining the problem or giving a solution.

Andres Viteri It really isn’t that hard to extrapolate what they thought the problem was, and thus the solution, from the comment. The Azerite traits were all boring for the most part and didn’t add all that much to the gameplay. They had the potential to be a lot better and more fun and game changing, but they weren’t. Solution is: shoulda made em cooler. There you go, happy to help.

This is the case with everything in BFA. It all had amazing potential but it was designed in the most boring and streamlined way possible.

And that where designed to cover up the broken mess that where base casses(which artifacts where aswell, the base classes are increbdly terrible which is still remaisn in sl's but bit lesser extent). Blizz just keeps designign 1expac onyl systems to throw away by end of it to fix their classes, isnetad of fixing the classes.

I mean, it's the worst expansion in WoW history. WoD gets shit but the reality behind it sucking is it had practically no new content after launch. BfA had a lot of content which consistently managed to suck, a garbage storyline, AND pruned, shitty class design. It is and always will be a joke and the devs should be ashamed it exists.

BFA was one of my favorites and ive been playing since WOTLK. I dont know why people hate it so much

@@nachochicken4636 I hate it so much because of the things I just mentioned above lol. The aesthetic/general thematics were not my favorite either. It especially disappointed me because they hyped it up so much and Legion was such a strong expac (yes even despite legiondaries). I genuinely think the only thing you could validly argue about BfA is decent raiding content, but WoW has never had a completely shitty raid in my opinion besides the super short ones and Dragon Soul. With all these negatives said, SL has been good so far!

@@legacy_moments thing is, WoD had potential to be an absolute blast of an expansion, especially since it was a follow-up to MoP and would get the people back who were pissed off about the pandas. And wasted potential is the worst kind of bad, not to mention the content that was there wasn’t very good outside of leveling and raids.

@@nachochicken4636 BfA top 4 exp for mee to. I dont known how people can not put WoD as worst expansion ever mayby because it was long time ago so the dont remember it. If BfA was to change spot in time with WoD so WoD was recent exp people will give it 1/100 rating it was that bad but they dont remember because of how much time left since that.

Ayo i was Right lol

Kind of a shame, I liked the idea of Azerite. I just didn't like the concept of artifact power in general. Didn't like it in Legion, don't like it now. It's just a lazy way to time-gate progression. I liked the lore-stuff they did with Azerite, that was pretty cool. But, that's a story element, not a game feature.

Titanforging was introduced in 2012 tho, not a bfa system. And people only hated on corruptions or azerite armor because they never got lucky. I got all my BiS shit pretty early in each tier (even my Getikku sword from +15) so i was kinda happy most of the expansion. Being one of the strongest damage classes as a warrior was great aswell. Specially in cleave fights, azerite armor gave you such a huge boost with 3 x Cold Steel Hot Blood. I enjoyed bfa and i play wow since 2005

@@capitaldcolon1795 I'm going to have to disagree with you on azerite. Essentially, since all the rings are randomly assigned each time, you'd have to reroll so many times that you're never going to get the actually optimal selection on every item unless you're very lucky. Now, WoW has always been luck based, but in the past there were lots of ways to get BiS gear quickly without relying on RNG. Even in Classic you can just grind money and buy some great gear. This loot system was terrible and I'm glad they realized it.

@@Nerobyrne What do you mean? The same item ALWAYS had the same Traits. They werent randomly assigned. WDYM? If you got the Shoulders from 2nd Boss Eternal Palace, the traits were ALWAYS the same. Same goes for the "Titan Residiuum" pieces. If you got "The Wardens Chestpiece" - it always had the same traits.

Why would it be free? That's exactly the king of crap that made wow so bad and casual. Before, you had to loot two different set, and that's how it should always be.

Battle of Dazar Alor was definitely the best raid they'd had for a few expansions.

Yet i'd take BFA anyday over SL.

Why? I loved BfA

Same. Just madly inconvenient if you didn’t keep up on it

amen, I loved it back then. It gave a feel of progression when you saw your weapon skill level with you.

still stupid it reset for stuff like shaman specing out of enhancement.

oh i'm wearing a 2h axe for the first time guys gimme 30 min gotta skill my weapon

Yet another instance of people slapping the "RPG" label on any shitty grind system to make it seem positive. RPG doesn't just mean "tedium", you know.

1-10 dont start

please tell me this is sarcasm you sick bastard lol!

Hirumaredx, do you remember the video in which you "analyze" random people's comment in WoW Forums. Lol. That's my favourite video of your making.

Or Sanguine Depths, the Tol Dagor of Shadowlands.

Literally never happened

@@joshholden9391 Iv had groups that were in fact dumb enough to not even attempt to protect Maiev, so it did happen on occasion.

@Nolan Booblackie no u

They didn't replace it, it was just plain removed

until you get to the covenant bullshit

@@IRedpunk Wdym?

@@akira7752 borrowed powers, forcing to choose between being competitive or cosmetics. Same shit with a different coat of paint

I love the lore from TBC - CATA

Same reason I don’t play Borderlands 1,2 and PreSequel online. Having to fight over gear is dumb and annoying and I can’t even imagine how annoying it was back in the day for WoW where you can spend 2-5 hours on a raid and not get anything just because of bad luck and having upgrades swiped by greedy players who don’t even need it

@@kakyointhemilfhunter4273 it wasn't annoying at all in first wow expansion. you were in a team, a guild, much like a friend group, not a group of random solo players, which is what made me hate raids in wow. You had to work all week for the guild, to help the other member, and most of guild were really serious about that, kicking instantly the players that were fucking around. If you wanted to play as a solo player, you won't enter a guild, that's not where you belong. You were gaining "fame" in the guild, and that how things were most of the time offered. You work well, you get rewards if you participate in big events like raids. Obviously, main healers and tanks were first for every loots, because they are the most importants. But then, most of the time, it was about how much you worked for the guild. Except main grinding guild that were fighting for world first, others guild were kinda chill and friendly, everyone had their chances, you just needed to help others. Main guild were obviously giving gear to the class that were doing most damages, to further boost their damages. Other were giving gears to good players, so they would help the guild more, and spread the word that the guild was cool.

Thank you!

same way with epic gear, these days it's considered starting level gear i remember when i got my first blue gear in wow, it was amazing, now, if you can't get an epic it's trash

Depends. Show me a warrior in Classic who still wears blue items in BWL. Or Show me a TBC mage who wears blue items in tempest keep. At some point, if youre not a total casual, only epics are an upgrade. And thats pretty early on aswell. Always. Did you guys even play wow back then or do you just repeat what others are saying? About the whole legendary thing: Yeah, you said it. They were extremely rare and almost no one had them. Which is also not the right way. I dont like EVERYONE having one either, but i prefer everyone way more instead of having the guild officer take the first one because he's an officer, if i had a choice.

@@vikkran401 and that's how e-peen became a thing

@@vikkran401 Bosses dropped the same amount of loot than they did back then - and considering my endless grind for SGC i dont think they buffed any drop rates. Your comment is just a good example of rose tainted glasses. No, the drop chances werent buffed and people back then frequently saw thunderfury tanks or shamans with Sulfuras in capitol cities. The game wasnt some magical dimension, it was pretty much the same as classic today except for the meta knowledge and 1.12 talents. The rest is the same.

That’s slightly different, you’re talking about your Artifact’s special ability. I do wish we got those back, but legion legendaries are still usable if you do Timewalking.

@@estrellanarvaez-reynolds7387 really? They keep the whole tree on tw?

Should have replaced the weapon skill tbh, much more annoying imo. Requires you to literally have no life for months just to get R14

@@gishathosaurus6828 Yeah, weapon skill imo is a fun flavor thing during leveling up, even if it's pointless at max level. The only truly BS thing about it is when you get a weapon skill by a talent, and every time you retalent, you have to grind the 300 levels again.

@@19Szabolcs91 wtf is that really a thing?

@@Rivexd Yep, I believe enhancement shamans for example learned some weapon skills by talent. And when they cleared their talent points, the skill level for that weapon was also erased, even if they picked the same talent afterwards. Edit: I actually looked it up now, and it worked like this until near the end of vanilla. So if you play Classic today, since it's v1.12, it's not the case anymore.

@@19Szabolcs91 must be the reason why I haven't heard of that, I've never actually played Vanilla, just Classic

I agree. Getting a Token would have been great. The way it was, i got my BiS legendary as the very first drop one the first dungeon i ran. My guildmate got the worst one and had to sit on the Bench on progress, just because he couldn't keep up with the dmg of my legendary. He than got a BiS legendary on an alt and stopped playing his main, cause he was so frustrated. Turning in a Token would have eliminated that. I mean everyone would have ran around with the same legendarys, but getting the shield neck as DPS while others get +25% more dmg was bad and frustrating

Far better than weeks in Torghast

How can there be a pug LFR? Don't you just queue up for LFR and get in a raid with random people? I know puging has similar thing, but for pugs, you need to form a raid group, invite people in to actually do the raid. Am I missing something here or am I thinking correctly?

Kiljeaden, Archimonde, n'zoth, the eyeball boss in ToT.

That was the biggest problem, though. You felt encouraged to play PvP because you got a leg up over people that play PvP as their main focus. The people that actually primarily wanted to play PvP got *discouraged* from playing because they were forced to slog through a bunch of PvE content they never liked... While you got a free pass because you were already doing that anyways. (And presumably enjoyed it, which is fine.) Previously when there was resil or pvp power, *everyone* started on ground 0 and had to work their way up for every new character. The only way to get better at PvP was to... Play PvP. The PvE players that felt "discouraged" by that system weren't really, because *everyone* had to go through the same thing, including PvP players. It was just they didn't want to put in the work to get better that everyone else had to do. (Not necessarily speaking about you specifically.) I don't see how anyone can call it fair that players that apparently didn't even really like the PvP aspect of the game got priority and special catering over the people that actually did like it and play it. Imagine if you were forced to do lots of PvP content to be competent in PvE... Sounds unfair, right? So why was it fair the other way around?

do you know the title to that piano music? The first one specifically

Shadow Satyr's Walk. Nerfed in the following morning. At least they stood on for a whole night like a man.

It's not worth the money it would cost them to flip the switch to turn it on

@@aaahzpervect5755 I want the allied races but i seriously cant be arsed to do that content.

They do? Since when? I remember going around in Legion 7.3 as Blood DK 2HKOing everything :D

@@bisalissy3846 Mobs scale to your level until you hit level cap where they start scaling to your item level. I know the item level scaling was most noticeable in BfA

Melee survival hunter currently in pve.

@@imadeyoureadthis1 Preach. Melee SV Hunter is the #1 answer. Replaced a fun, widely-popular, and effective spec. Consistently useless tier after tier. One of the very least played specs in the game for 5 years straight. Literally the only spec in the game predicated on taking away part of the base class instead of building on the base class. Explicitly aimed at people other than those currently playing Hunters. It's the biggest class design debacle ever. At least back in Classic they had "lack of experience" as an excuse for some of the shit they put out.

@@Bepples i stopped playing hunter because of that. I loved explosive shot.

@@DisastrousIntentionally "Old survival was literally Marksman but with Explosive Shot." Only to clueless non-Hunters who thought they were all the same because "hurr ranged weapon". We don't declare that Arms is literally Fury with Colossus Smash because both of those specs have some thematic overlap. So try to refrain from declaring similarly stupid nonsense about Hunters. Survival was significantly different from Marksmanship in both theme and gameplay. "Blizzard failed for years to give that spec a genuine identity that felt different from the other Hunter specs." See above. There was no failure. That's revisionist history to dishonestly try to make melee Survival look better. Ranged Survival was not only fine, it was a successful spec that appealed to a lot of people and provided a nice alternative to the other Hunter specs. This is why it wasn't being frantically changed all the time like the current melee SV; it kept the same basic identity and gameplay for 4 expansions. That would simply not have been the case if Blizzard was desperately trying to find an identity like morons on the online discussions like to portray it. If you want to see a Hunter spec without a genuine identity, look to the current melee Survival which is a clumsy combination of several different identities because Blizzard has no clue what they're doing with the spec anymore and are largely just playing damage control due to the disasterous initial melee rework. "It was only ever popular when numbers put it above the other two specs, anytime that wasn't the case it was barely played. Played more than modern survival probably but still barely played. " It was actually routinely a popular spec even when it wasn't the best, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and say you're just clueless and unaware rather than outright lying. In Siege of Orgrimmar the spec was actually below BM yet still saw more play. But just look to Blackrock Foundry. That was a tier where SV was more significantly behind BM. In the last 2 weeks of that tier, Survival got 7.6k parses to BM's 42.2k. A lot less, for sure, but still more than nothing. Now look to the current tier, Castle Nathria. Survival has about 500 parses for the ENTIRE TIER so far. That's less than BM gets on average per DAY and they do more or less the same damage. Using play rates and representation as an argument against ranged Survival is so hilariously hypocritical and out of touch it's not funny. Actually, it kind of is funny that people can be this delusional. P.S. In Highmaul, just before Blackrock Foundry, Survival was literally the most played spec in the entire game by a massive margin. And that wasn't the first time. So you can kindly cut the bullshit about it being "barely played", thank you. The only tier where ranged SV was barely played, since it was recognisably ranged Survival with Explosive Shot, that is, was Hellfire Citadel in patch 6.2, and that was primarily because they mysteriously flat out removed a core mechanic that made the spec work, making it struggle to compete with tanks for damage. I wonder why they would do that just a month before announcing it would be replaced with a melee spec... hmmmmmm.... "Let's not pretend Survival was some amazing spec before the changes, it was always the spec that had no real identity outside of PvP." I'm not the one pretending here. You're the one making shit up as you go along to desperately try to make melee Survival look better. Ranged Survival had a great identity as the utilitarian that used exotic munitions and tools to gain an edge in the fight. This was distinct to both BM and MM and meaningfully and sensibly built off the base class. Survival right now nonsensically tries to build an identity by taking AWAY the most core part of the base class. It's the only spec in the entire game that tries to build off a weakness, and as such most people want nothing to do with it because it essentially defeats the entire purpose of being a Hunter. Blizzard also can't decide what to do with it so it has 3 different identities competing for prominence in the baseline toolkit; the stock-standard melee Skirmisher like a Warrior (Raptor Strike, Carve), the utilitarian toolkit that would better fit ranged Survival anyway (Wildfire Bomb, Serpent Sting), and the BM Hunter ripoffs (Kill Command, Coordinated Assault). Speaking of which... "At least modern Survival tries to be it's own spec, Blizzard just needs to put some genuine time into it." Oh, really? Because last I checked they literally rebuilt the spec from the ground up twice and what they arrived on was a spec that leans heavily on the identity of Beast Mastery to the point where it straight up copies BM abilities with some adjustments. They at least bothered to rename Bestial Wrath to Coordinated Assault when they copied it over, unlike Kill Command. Oh, and they straight up stole Spirit Bond and made it the mastery; you know, the iconic part of BM that was there from the literal beginning. I don't recall ranged Survival copying Aimed Shot, Chimera Shot, and Careful Aim over; it had its own toolkit yet the fact that they both used a ranged weapon was enough for you to declare "Old survival was literally Marksman but with Explosive Shot". So are you going to admit to being totally full of shit or what?

@@DisastrousIntentionally I'm not the one who thinks the Hunter specs were the same because they both used bows. I'm not the one who thinks a spec that was routinely one of the game's more popular specs, and even at times the most popular in the entire the game, was "barely played" unless it was overpowered. I'm not the one who thinks a spec that sees less parses in a month than another Hunter spec sees in a single day is an improvement. I'm not the one who thinks a spec that rips off half the toolkit from another spec is one that is forging its own identity. You're the one that's delusional, and I have no doubt in my mind that you do not and have not played a Hunter and you're in fact talking out your ass.

its been pretty dissapointing with the current weapons thats for sure... kinda hate having reskins for each set

I love spec fantasy that weapons give, sad that my BM gun can be used by some stupid MM hunters that are out one shotting people with lightning, not weapon for snipe shooting!

Great way to get "Anyone order a knuckle sandwich" achievement

It's primarily the reputation grind. Fortunately it's already confirmed Shadowlands pathfinder won't have this, but it was having to mindlessly grind out dailies for several weeks to get rep well after you completed the storyline of that patch is what made it suck.

IMO BC and WotLK had the best iteration of flight, where you had to pay a somewhat expensive fee at max level to fly. BUT, there were actual perks to flying. Places you couldn't reach and quests/reps you couldn't access without flying (think the Netherstorm and Ulduar dungeons/raid, as well as the Netherwing and Skettis content), entire zones that could hardly work without flying (Storm Peaks and Icecrown). The usual complaint that flying makes certain parts of the game too easy and convenient makes sense, yes, but that argument is very much mitigated when flying is actually integrated into the game experience, rather than being there just for convenience's sake, as it's been after LK. Pathfinder is a bit of a lazy compromise, IMO. It is as if Blizz were saying "we're too lazy to design content tailored for flight, but since you folks still want to be able to fly and do stuff, here's some time-gating for ya. Enjoy your grinds!"

The initial idea is great, but they should really tone down some of the rep-related requirements. I'm all for mechanisms that subtly coerce players into enjoying more content, but the Pathfinder thing got out of hand. Completing the storylines and doing a couple of rep quests is perfect if you ask me, but having to collect junk in Mechagon and kill mobs in Nazjatar was really cumbersome.

They was upset because the idea had so much promise but they squandered it. It was so boring I gave up halfway through farming the Horde Plate set for my warrior which I really wanted. Island Expeditions were wastes too. A dozen or so Islands that actually encouraged exploration with hidden areas and secrets would have been amazing. But, no..... just mindlessly farm pulling and clearing trash mobs as fast as possible.

@@clintmcbride7830 Yeah warfronts as were first anounced soounded like would be av/winetrgrasp/ashran stye battles/zones with best of each and inspiration of wc3 (i wish they did more wiht you can control a special Unit in warfronts liek in darkshore the Mech suit, abomination or Banshee) And islands its stupid dint even alow exploration AFTER they where done.

...which is exactly why it was that bad, not sure what your point is

Those type of WoW players are always miserable about the state of the game and I make a habit to never listen to any of their complaints.

Im a World 200 raider. Currently at 7/10 mythic in Nathria. I didnt give a shit about titanforging in bfa. If i got a titanforge, nice. But i didnt try hard for it. And most of my guildies thought the same way. Nobodies going to spam +15 keys to get a 455 titanforging with a socket. You either got it, or you dont. So i dont know where these players are that youre talking about. Who would go crazy about a 445 item, just because it didnt titanforge into 455? I dont know players like this and i would say that i play on a high level.

Yeah, in theory, in practice your just pressing the Right mouse button on something and alt tab to youtube or something

This is a good defense of it, problem is they've been slowly diluting or entirely excising any meaningful roleplay aspects of stuff over time. In practice, weapon skill felt like you had to level up to max level twice.

@@Fabriciod_Crv this covers 90% of the in-game activities in wow. The other 5% is talking to vendors and the remainder is pvp and raiding.

@@o0Donuts0o yeah, but none of them that affected gameplay the same way as weapon skill, which was still very unintresting to grind.

Personal Loot wouldn't be as bad as it is, if you could at least trade all the items you get with those eligible to have looted it as well. I dont know how many of my guild got items they don't need but are BiS for others but can't trade them because they lack 1 itemlvl on that slot. It's just stupid.

He didnt say personal loot was bad, he said that the removal of master loot for top guilds was bad

Honestly personal loot has screwed my guild over more times than i can count *gets an item he doesnt need* "do you need that?" "Nah man you can take" "sorry cant trade" 5 ilvl upgrade for the guy who got it vs 35 for the one who wanted it

I think Hiru mirepresented the issue. Its not "world first guild" problem. Its any serious guild problem. Not being able to trade item to your buddy, even tho its not good for you, but gr8 for him feels super bad. And the reason they removed master loot doesnt exist in good, organised guilds. I cant tell you how many trinkets/rings etc. that my friends wanted badly I had to DE/sell in BfA.

It was nice to be able to earn them from lots of sources so it wasn't gating the best stuff behind only the most elite content, yeah. Problem was the totally random aspect of it. Being able to target the specific abilities like we can in Shadowlands means you have to do certain content for certain powers, which isn't perfect, but targetable rewards are always better than super RNG hoops you have to jump through and just might wind up with moderately defensive legendary powers or niche PvP-themed capabilities when there's one out there that makes a huge difference in your DPS.

Well its pvp.. so no one cares ;P

I'll be honest, I forgot about pvp

@@hirumaredx It's okay, even though I don't understand how you forget the BEST part of an MMORPG :^) Kappa

Cries* in shaman

I kindof liked weapon skill, but that definitely felt like a bug that should have been fixed rather than an intended feature.

Cries in hunter that likes guns over bows

@@greenchilistudioz4537 that... doesnt realy relate to weaponskill...

They did ultimately give a way to buy essences for your alts, but it went in too late.

i feel you, i quit my monk alt healer because i did not want to farm mechagon to exalted, if i remember correctly one of the strongest minor essences for healer were from mechagon reputation

If you raided they were awful having to grind them BFA just didn’t have anything good really same with WoD which is why they’re the worst expansions ever.

It creates the only real instance of pay to win in the game. That is kind of a problem, even if I personally kind of like it. As a healer I always got passed over on loot because its more important to give it to the dps, so now I dont have to wait for all the dps to get geared before I can start taking upgrades.

Being FORCED into Personal loto as ONLY option affects wya mroe then 1% of players , ti effects any guild/gorup that wanst to frreely trade gear and go for who its best upgrade for and not be pure rng. Not just world first, if want to trade loot you dont need wiht your friends? to bad cant. Its a small upgrade for you but a huge upgrae for fiend? to abd cant give ti. Oh its lwoer ivll then what have btu a different weapon type(say sword vs a staff) to bad aso cant trade it. Personal loot itself isnt bad, Being Forced as the ONLY option is the bad thing. Certainly with how terrible the trading system is. and even fi wher eno trade resrictions its stil just slwoer and more work/cumbersone then what sued to be able to do with ML.(which in fact the alrreayd ahd perfect system for with 80% guild group required)

The arguments against LFR are kind of out-dated or gate keeping. Like it did have some big problems on release, but they fixed the problems by removing tier set bonuses from lfr and delaying the hell out of its released in comparison to regular content. And the other argument is just a Gate Keeping one, where they feel you shouldnt experience the raid unless its on its hardest difficulty.