@@Boiled_Pizza Darth Nox is very cool, and he's my favorite playable story (Even if his voice acting is not my favorite) But i do not believe Nox is on the same level as Wrath and the Hero.
@X-052 🗸 Lmao, I figured the dude was planning to consume a galaxy for a good 1000 years to become a God. A lightsaber would be the least of my concern when tryna become a Dark Side God.
Tulak was a big fish in a small pond whose only advantage was likely using Makashi before anyone was accommodated to it. Drop him in the clone wars and he’s bodied.
Can I just say I'd love to see more on Darth Marr. We really need a Old Republic tv show. The amount of heavy hitters during that time. Think Game of thrones in terms or length and seasons but it being about the Old Republic Era. It's literally a gold mine.
Marr is easily my favorite sith. Not outright evil, just ruthless and practical. He’s even willing to work alongside the Jedi from time to time. If he were in charge the sith empire could’ve become glorious.
The Exile founded the New Jedi order, the same order stemming all the way to until the Galactic Empire and also mastered several forms, and picked up these forms very easily because of their force wounding. Exile so underrated.
@@fantasticautism Let me correct myself. The Exile trained The Lost Jedi who were responsible for reorganising the Jedi under The Exile’s training, not Bastila. The Exile formed force bonds with the companions but also in game you can teach them physical or mental attributes or feats through dialogue. Though it’s said Bastila served as a Jedi Master after KOTOR 2, she mostly spent time raising her son and protecting him from the events of KOTOR 2 and other Sith threats. It was the companions of KOTOR 2 who rallied the order, with Brianna/Mical probably being the most essential of them all, as she’s the Jedi historian. It’s not definitively said what role Atton, Bao-Dur or Visas had in the order. It’s a shame too that TOR writers didn’t actually show the Jedi Order to learn Kreia’s lesson, which was her dying wish and what she taught The Exile. Obviously the events of the films wouldn’t of happened if the Jedi had learnt from their mistakes but they could’ve at least showed the Jedi to be slowly becoming incompetent once again.
If SWTOR is to be included, after the zakuul war the jedi seperated again and Master Gnost Dural reformed it into the jedi order 'that would live among the people of the republic and not hidden away'. So i think Gnost Dural made the jedi order re-live on Coruscant and reconnect with their old roots.
@@heggur2 Meanwhile everyone talking how op is Tulak Hord. He is not underrated. He can't be underrated then everyone talking about his omnipotent power. He is more like overrated.
Malgus definitely had Djem so in his fighting arsenal, his whole style revolves around strength oriented attacks, his style looks really similar to Anakin’s.
If you think about it, Malgus is the Old Republic version of Darth Vader when it comes to the cybernetic part, as well the fighting style, whereas Revan is the Old Republic version of Anakin, only difference is that he actually did it twice and survived twice.
@@billybobj9988 Well technically no, considering Anakin’s character and fighting form were introduced to us before the Old republic, but canonically yes Anakin’s style is similar to his.
@@kodaoda7772 the impact the story would have had if Ben got turned to the dark side on a legit way and Rey was dropped of by Luke because he and Mara were hunted by a new sith order and she needed protection were she wouldnt be found
@@dominiklange8382 hell, the impact it would have had if they just took the obvious route, turn Rey dark, turn kylo light, teamswitch. still don't get the hate for her sith saber though, it just isn't designed to be used folded, and it never would have been used folded. the temple guards had the Same thing.
Honestly if there was an old republic tv show or something, it would be awesome to see Mads Mikkelsen as Exar Kun and Keanu Reeves as Revan, who else do you guys think would be a good cast for the old republic characters
Tbf, just the Sith Wars on their own would make for an excellent live-action show, or Clone Wars style series. But getting the casting right for Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma would be so important. Their dynamic would be the core of the story. There would also need to be a suitably sinister kind of actor to play Freedon Nadd.
@@willisstillhere8846 yeah but they never would have met but legends grivous even with low force sensitivity would neg obi-wan, mace windu, anakin, sidious in a lightsabre duel (ofc them force abilities would beat grivous but you know what i'm saying)
He took on 1000 jedi and won, never lost a duel in his life, Kreia said he was the strongest at a time when true jedi masters were alive, and all new gen duelists seem like children playing with toys compared to Tulak.
@@SaintEthanbaronNusjurodelusional. If you think Legends Luke who has actual feats and has singlehandedly taken down armies of force resistant warriors is a "child" compared to old Sith, then you're delusional Sidious already scales past ancient Sith and Luke stomps Sidious
@willisstillhere8846 Luke was born 4/5000 years after Kreyia said that, so she wasnt Talking about him(they might be pretty close to eachother, maybe Luke a bit stronger)
@@willisstillhere8846in pure lightsaber combat tulak hord mops the floor with prime legends Luke. Luke might win on the force ability contest, although it is stated that tulak hord was exceptionally gifted in the dark side as well.
There’s some discrepancies: -The Exile used Shii-Cho, Makashi, and Soresu. -The SWTOR Encyclopedia stated sith warriors typically learned Shien/Djem So, Soresu, and Juyo; then gave Marr as a direct example of a notable Sith Warrior. -Arcann (while not confirmed) shows signs of using Niman (constant force integration) or Djem So (his more straight forward power oriented blade work). -Malgus also knew Juyo -Kao Cen was a Niman user who just happened to favor acrobatics, but his bladework is too balanced for Ataru and he is shown using force integration in his sequences constantly. -Malak is speculated to use more of a hybridized version of Juyo and Ataru. -Kas’im used Niman while in his double bladed configuration, paired with the emotional philosophy of Juyo, but notably swapped to Ataru when using Jar’kai in the novel. -Bane in the novel trilogy used Djem So/Shein, Juyo, and Soresu -Tulak only used Makashi since Soresu-Juyo were not invented. It’s stated that the Jedi and Sith didn’t use lightsabers for more then ceremony prior to the Great Hyperspace War.
I think that Juyo may exist at the time of Tulak Hord since Juyo is made of forbidden and abandoned techniques from Shii-Cho when this Form was developped. But that's only hypothetical since we actually don't know at what period Juyo was developped in contrary of every other forms from 1 to 6 Niman.
@@bastienbauvineau562 The Sith were said to have only treated duels ceremonially before the Great Hyperspace War with their main developments being in sorcery. Even when we see them in the Great Hyperspace War, centuries after Tulak, they preferred Sith Swords to lightsabers. Lightsabers did not become a main form of combat for the Jedi or Sith until after the Great Hyperspace War and the forms after Makashi were not developed until the gap between Sadows defeat and Freedon Nadds uprising.
Jedi developped Soresu after the Hundred Years of Darkness since the blasters became the most common weapon in the galaxy and that they met no other Dark Jedi or Sith until Great Hyperspace War. Then came Ataru, Shien/Djem So and Niman after that war I think, specially during the Old Republic Era and Mandalorians Wars. Whatever, I was just saying that we know, like you said, when the Forms after Makashi were developped. But we have no idea in which period Juyo was created. To me, it has no specific era since Juyo was more a state of mind than a real set of techniques. And the basics of Juyo's set of techniques were just the abandoned and forbidden one when Shii-Cho was developped. When only Shii-Cho existed, Dark Jedi by using dark side of the Force and their negative, agressive emotions, must have use a kind of variation of the now known Juyo. And maybe Juyo became a real thing only after Great Hyperspace War, alongside others but in contrary to the six others, Juyo was product over different period. @@AbsurdFalcon
@@bastienbauvineau562 The Jedi didn’t develop Soresu after the hundred year darkness, when we see them in Tales of the Jedi they are still using Protosabers. Modern lightsabers and the adoption of lightsabers as the main form of weaponry amongst the Jedi didn’t happen until after the ending of the Great Hyperspace War. Lightsaber combat was not developed prior because there wasn’t a need for it yet. The Sith before the Great Hyperspace War used traditional weaponry and the Jedi prior weren’t involved in direct combat.
yeah mb wasn't just clear, i meant "after hundred years darkness" like "i dont know specially when but just after that" but yeah basically the other forms were developped around 4000 BBY@@AbsurdFalcon
Darth Malgus is probably number 2. Bro he’s so skilled at lightsaber combat! Many other people are only on this list because they are strong in the force, but malgus has pure skill
@@MangoesAreLife so is Vader and doesn’t mean he was a great Duelist maigus himself single handedly put the Jedi on the verge of extinction palp needed preparation and couldn’t stop one Jedi himself while maigus personally killed the grandmaster and every single Jedi council member
@@JohnJohn-bz1lq palp in ep 3 killed mace and the two other Jedi masters in seconds but why are we talking about palp if this is a old republic duelists not high republic, clone wars or galactic civil war duelist
I know that malgus didn’t fight Kao Cen Darach alone, but when he killed him he was fighting him by himself, plus malgus was fairly young when that happened so I think that malgus should be a notch above Kao Cen
I just have one problem... where the hell is the Hero of Tython. He succeded Kao Cen Darach as the Battlemaster of the Jedi Order. Mastered all 7 forms of lightsaber combat. And as a Jedi Knight already was the best duelist in the Jedi Order (which includes Master Satele Shan) he bested Darth Marr (he even had Marr's complete respect) Darth Malgus, Arcann, and even bested Revan (including being told by the Emperor, the being that could ragdoll the likes of Revan and Tulak Hord or anyone on this list, that the Hero of Tython was his greatest foe) Note: I am not putting any shade or disrespect on Tulak Hord. I agree Tulak Hord deserves to be at #1. In an all out battle of pure lightsaber skill, Tulak Hord does have the Hero of Tython beat. However, in a true duel, including the use of the force then i would give the edge to the Hero of Tython. His force capabilities do exceed Tulak Hords.
I Created my own OC Legends RP Character And He Is Literally Using His Own Variation Of The Combination Of Form 5 And Form 7 Vaapad And Because Of That Was Called The Most Agressive Duelist Of His World Because he mastered Exactly Only Form 5 In 22 Years With Vaapad Combined In His Own Variation Which is OP, But He Is Pretty Bad In Defense
Kao(that guy) was exhausted after fight with malgus master. But i agree that this top is incorrect. Satele shan, malgus and arcann should be higher. Malak in my opinion shouldn't be here at all. Revan... Shouldn't be so high. He was good duelists, but he was more "mage" than "warrior".
@@TaliZenAvi he did master all seven forms and defeat mandalore the ultimate in single combat, but i agree. I would put him as #3 or 4 after exar kun personally
Revan at 5 malgus at 2. Old rebuplic data that supports his fighting style was brutal and the strongest sith lord the sith emperor had in recent times. Every time he seung it wasn’t a wasted movement but that every swing included power and intended to kill. An aggressive onslaught that left his opponents tired and defeated as we can see in the clips as well. Also used brute strength to his advantage with destructive strikes to leave you immobilize for seconds in the fight you’re currently in basically letting your guard down but the elite jedi were able to withstand his barrage powerful stuns but only for a bit before they were killed.
Man as much as I love Revan and I mean he's my favorite character in Star wars he couldn't hold Tulaks Junk when it comes to saber dueling. Tulak is on his own playing field.
Darth Marr is most likely another Ataru user due to being noted for his immense speed. Malgus is stated to use Djem So(stated to break through his opponents guard relentlessly until it was brutally broken, Ataru(stated to be acrobatic) Juyo(implied) and I'm assuming Juyo as well(based on deceived at the end of the cinematic where he purposely left his guard open being harder to predict for a finishing blow.And for Tulak hord he was only Mikashi with maybe Shii-Cho since there was only two forms at his time. (That and there's and item called something like Hord's Makashi strike in swtor)
My opinion is 1 Taluk Hord 2 Exar Kun 2 Darth Revan All 3 of them never lost duel. As my understanding from the vague details from Kotor and kotor 2 games.
Malak should be above revan in terms of dueling, drew karypyshyn has stated that malak was a superior duelist to revan whilst revan was a superior force wieldee
@@force_user however i think that was only on the end of kotor 1, who knows if revan became stronger in dueling, after all one of the main reason he is so powerful is becauso his battle iq and tactics
Darth Marr and Shatele shan are on the same level and this was confirmed, Darth Marr said it himself that Shatele was his only Equal not stronger not weaker, Equal.
I’m pretty sure Tulak Hord came from a time before forms 4-7 didn’t he? I’m still not doubting he’s number one, he never lost a duel and was skilled beyond the likes of most Jedi and Sith of any time period, but I’m pretty sure he was from an era where forms 1-3 was all that was known.
@@JT-ih2rx Yes they did. Many of them even mastered them. Something Revan did not. And it is irrelevant. Many characters know every lightsaber form. Revan couldnt apply all forms or made his own.
@@mrblack9968 Revan mastered six of seven forms and was very skilled in teh seventh, form V. he was also proficient in telekenetic lightsaber combat so he was a goated duelist. He definately deserves top 3, below tulak and perhaps exar kun
