Don't forget to watch my Top 100 Strongest Fate Characters: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-poKzfyZY7UE.html *1) SABER ALTER:* Saber Alter is stated to be equal to Berserker Heracles in CQC. In EXTELLA, Full Power Artoria was also able to fight Charlemagne + Tamamo + Nero simultaneously, and Charlemagne noted they couldn't move her an inch. He was so overwhelmed by her power that he said there was no risk of her getting captured and brainwashed by Rex Magnus, who had already beaten the likes of Karna (and later on Scathach as well). Saber Alter was also able to block a surprise attack from Cu Chulainn Alter without much difficulty. Furthermore, Saber Alter can fire Mana Burst nukes capable of bypassing Heracles' God Hand resistance and kill him Several Times without using her NP. Proto Arthur, who Salter should scale to, was also so strong that Mordred + Cu Chulainn + Arash (Suppressed) + Serenity (Suppressed) couldn't beat him. *2) PENTHESILEA (Rage Boost):* Penthesilea while enraged is powerful enough to match Megalos, an alternate version of Berserker Heracles whose size and power surpasses that of Regular Servants. Hector stated that he would need to use his NP just to match her and that if he did either of them might end up dying. For comparison, Durindana was able to kill Asterios and Heracles with a single blow. *TIED: 3) CU CHULAINN & SCATHACH:* Chulainn while Poisoned by Semiramis was powerful enough to kill Karna and Medb simultaneously. He later on fought Heracles and managed to kill him "Several Times" without using any NPs. At Full Power, Cu Alter can defeat Rama + Mash + Nightingale (all 3 of them empowered by Command Spells). He also considers himself the only man that can fight Scathach 1v1 (which places him above Karna and Arjuna). Scathach also considers the likes of Arjuna and Li Shuwen as "weak"/"entertaining" playthings. Scathach was able to survive a blow from Cu Alter's Curruid Coinchenn and Charlemagne admited that she was stronger than him. However, in the end, the combined efforts of Cu Chulainn + Charlemagne managed to beat her, so its not like she is omnipotent. *4) ASHWATTHAMA:* He is stated to be as strong or stronger than Karna. He was beaten by the combined efforts of Rama + Jinako (Fatigued) + Lakshmibai (Fatigued) + Mash. *5) KARNA:* Just in CQC Alone, Karna is stated to be equal to the likes of Sun Gawain and Cu Chulainn. He was also able to fight Charlemagne and Siegfried to a stanstill. Just like Artoria, Karna can stack Mana Burst on top of his already ridiculous base stats to increase his power. The buff in power is comparable to having aid from a 2nd A rank Servant, as before he used it against Vlad III in Romania, it was stated that Karna + Atalanta had a 50% chance at beating Vlad. When Atalanta leaves to fight Spartacus Vlad gains the upper hand, and it isn't until Karna starts using Mana Burst that he is able to fight evenly with Vlad. It's been stated that "any other Lancer" would have been overwhelmed by Vlad's Kazakili Bey, which should naturally place Karna at the top of all Lancers that can be summoned in a HGW as far as CQC is concerned. *6) ARJUNA:* Despite being an Archer, Arjuna is able to fight on par in CQC with Karna, although the latter has a slight advantage. *7) BRYNHILDR:* Brynhildr in CQC is as strong as Proto Arthur (who is equal to Mordred + Proto Cu + Suppressed Arash + Suppressed Serenity). She can also use Mana Burst powerful enough to burn dozens of Arash's arrows (which in Camelot could pierce Lancelot's armor). He can also buff herself with Runes which allow her to beat all 3 Valkyries simultaneously (1 of them on her own already being stated to be as powerful as Sigurtr, who was comparable to Siegfried). She was also going to destroy all of Tokyo with 1 Rune iirc. She could be above Karna, but I decided to give him an edge due to the statements about him being the only Lancer that can match Vlad. *8) BERSERKER LANCELOT (Arondight):* It was noted that even if Artoria didn't have a mental breakdown she might not be able to match Lancelot's strikes. *9) SABER DIARMUID:* Diarmuid stated that in his Final Ascension he is a match for Artoria. He also defeated Fairy King Abartach who was on par with Yagyuu Munenori. In another event she also defeated Miyamoto Musashi. *10) HERACLES (1 Life):* Heracles is immune to attacks ranked B+++ or lower. He can also block A rank Broken Phantasms such as Caladbolg II, and he is on par with Saber Alter (excluding nukes). This places him above the likes of Iskandar or the combined efforts of Charlemagne + Tamamo + Nero. *11) KING HASSAN:* Atalanta in Arcade stated that Heracles was a stronger swordsman than King Hassan, althought she admited that it wasn't an undisputted match. While King Hassan was a Grand Servant at the time, we must remember that it is heavily implied that Grands suppress their Saint Graphs until the threat they were summoned to fight manifests. This is pretty much what happened in Atlantis with Super Orion. No one could tell he was a Grand because he was waiting to arrive to Olympus to fight Koyanskaya. *TIED: 12) ALTERA & ISKANDAR:* Rusty Iskndar was stated to be EASILY on par with Karna, and Nero Claudius with 2/3 of the Regalia barely managed to beat him. This Nero should also scale above Li Shuwen at the time. At FULL POWER, Iskandar is shown momentarily overwhelming Altera in CQC. This same Altera was so strong that she defeated SUN Gawain, and Cu Chulainn admited he had no other option but to retreat or go full into defense to buy time. *13) MARTHA:* Martha is stated to be a better melee fighter than Quetzalcoatl and when the 2 actually fought, Coatl believed she was going to pass out. Had Martha not flinched in the last moment she would have sent Coatl's jaw "flying to Marseille." Martha was also able to KO Bradamante with 0 diff, defeat the combined efforts of Karna + Sasaki Kohirou, and defeat Beowulf 1v1. *14) YAN QING:* Yan Qing defeated Li Shuwen and had a slight edge over Quetzalcoatl. Coatl was pressed to use Xiuhcoatl against him. We know he is weaker than Ashwatthama, as he said his fists were getting burned just from punching Ash, and in Shinjuku he was constantly running away from Saber Alter. He is strong but not Top 5. *15) QUETZALCOATL:* *16) LI SHUWEN:* Li Shuwen as an Assassin is stated to be stronger than Cu Chulainn/Lu Bu. As a Lancer, his "basic performance" doesn't change, and he was able to defeat Beowulf in a fist fight. While he was defeated by Yan Qing, it was a competitive fight, and Li was able to match Yan blow for blow. *17) YAGYUU MUNENORI:* Yagyuu was able to fight evenly with Fairy King Abartach, who was stronger than Lancer Diamuid. He is also superior to his Saber of Empireo counterpart, who was so strong that Raikou/Shuten Douji would need their ALIVE Bodies to compete with. Empireo was also as strong or stronger than Inshun. *18) INSHUN:* He is stated to be tied with Young Lancer Li Shuwen and Saber of Empireo. *19) BEOWULF:* Beowulf is stated by Medb to be a "top notch warrior" just like Arjuna. In one event he had Karna and Sasaki go all out against Martha to judge whether she was worth of fighting him 1v1. It was being implied he was stronger than both of them. Going by Martha's Voice Lines, it is also implied that Beowulf is one of the strongest CQC fighters in Chaldea alongside Li Shuwen, Yan Qing, and Quetzalcoatl. *TIED: 20) LU BU, CU CHULAINN, RAMA, CHARLEMAGNE, ACHILLES, SIEGFRIED, & SIGURD:* Lu Bu and Cu Chulainn are stated to be equals in EXTRA. Sun Gawain and Karna are stated to be equals in CCC, Fox Tail, EXTELLA, and FGO. Cu Chulainn is stated to be equal to Karna/Sun Gawain in EXTELLA. Lu Bu is stated to be on par with Sun Gawain in EXTELLA as well. Achilles, Siegfried, and Karna are all equals in Apocrypha, and Sigurd is stated to be equal to Siegfried. Charlemagne fought on par with Karna in Link, and Rama is stated to be on par with Karna in FGO. *21) HECTOR:* Hector is stated to be as powerful an skilled as Achilles. Achilles managed to beat him due to slight edge in skill. *22) ARASH:* Arash is able to fight evenly with Saber Lancelot in CQC. Saber Lancelot is slightly weaker than Sun Gawain, and therefore the people tied in the 20th spot. *23) PERCIVAL:* Percival could fight Mordred and Gareth simultaneously. Wielding Longinus also grants his body protective properties powerful enough to tank Bradamante's NP with 0 damage. He is stated to be weaker than Lancelot, so shouldn't be higher than Arash. *24) BRADAMANTE:* Bradamante defeated Penthesilea (No Rage Boost) with a single blow. *25) ORION:* Orion was defeated by Penthesilea (No Rage Boost). In Atlantis he was also somewhat comparable to 30% Achilles. *26) JEANNE D'ARC:* Defeated Gawain and was slightly superior to Atalanta in her Agrius Metamorphosis form. This is the same Atalanta that tied with aftigued 30% Achilles.
*27) GAWAIN (Night Time):* Even during Night Time Gawain is powerful enough to fight Full Power Passionlip for an entire day. This Passionlip was so strong that Tristan admited he had no other option but retreat from her every time they fought. Furthermore, Gawain was rusty at the time due to not being used to the Moon Cell. He says that a fight of such "mild intensity" would never affect him if he was on Earth. In CCC he is also stated to be equal to Karna under a 3rd rate Master who scales above regular Passionlip and Elizabeth Bathory. Gawain also stated that he doesn't need the Sun Buff to beat Mordred. *28) CAENIS:* Caenis was clapped by Orion. She's still noted to be a really powerful servant, and her physical strength is high enough to kill 3 Olympus Guards with 1 blow. *29) MURAMASA:* Muramasa is stated to be tied with Heroic Spirit Swordmaster Shuten Douji/Raikou. Both of them scale above regular Shuten, who is equal to Kintoki. Kintoki was able to fight Tesla for a while while the London fog was draining all his mana and in Arcade he was shown fighting Berserker Lancelot. If Kintoki is equal to Lancelot, then Muramasa would jump higher all the way to Arash tier. Muramasa with his Sword Trial skill could also blow up Lancer of Purgatorio's spear, although Purgatorio's is equite a sloppy fighter compared to Inshun, so it's not a defeinitive feat to scale Muramasa to Inshun. Considering Alter Ego Muramasa (who is likely 3 times stronger going by the number of times he can use his NP) was equal to Caster Cu, it wouldn't make sense for Saber Muramasa to be that high. That's why I'm ranking Muramasa at the low end which is Tesla/Mordred level. If we get more concrete feats ranking him will be less subjective. *30) MORDRED:* Mordred was slightly superior to Chiron. She was also stated to be weaker than Night Gawain. Tristan accidentaly fired an arrow at her back once and Mordred didn't notice she had been pierced for an entire day. Mordred's endurance being so high is also consistent with guides stating that Antares Snipe wouldn't be able to take her down.
Only Close Range Combat. Noble Phantasms that need to be activated by invoking its True Name are not taken into account. Only abilities that come naturally with the servant when they are trying to hide their True Names. I hope no one asks in the comments "but isn't Gilgamesh number 1 though?".
"Gilgamesh doesn't have to say the True Name of his armor to use it, and with it he can tank several blows of Artoria, who has the same Excalibur that can kill Sefar" Gilgamesh ( Only with his armor )>Sefar, take it or leave it
Still of all the changes that Gilgamesh get in fate they had to make him weak at close range not that he is weak because I am pretty sure that he could beat many people in close range but they nerf his strength stats because Gilgamesh in his epic is pretty much a brute like Heracles but I guess they need to balance him.
Technically Gilgamesh for some of his Np, he dont need to say the true name(like his armor) , but i understend what you say, soo, Gilgamesh isn’t in this top..
@@guesswho8556 i dont agree, becouse i think in the end of all three route of FSN Gilgamesh lose only for trama, i explain why i think this: Route 1= Gilgamesh lose to a single attack of excaliburn, while in other works he resist to 20 attack of excaliburn, and also gilgamesh’s armor can hold several blows and have other feat…. Route 2= he lose in close combat to shirou(who is weaker than Emiya archer), but we know and see how gilgamesh is stronger than Artoria and Archer in close combat and we see he is equal to enkidu.. Route 3= the death of gilga in this route have sense(not too much but ok) Soo…, this is why Gilgamesh’s lose in fate stay night haven’t any sense, and, when i scale gilga i dont consider this feat(becouse i think it haven’t sense) Conclusion= his death in fsn happen only for trama(personal opinion), tell me if you dont agree
Seems good going based off of feats alone. Aside from Iskandar I for the most part agree. I do think Scathach and Cu Alter could be higher than Penthesilea if you include their runes but I guess they have never shown to use them. You should have also noted Karna grail empowered since in Apoc he was the exact same as Salter . Iskandar being that high is still hilarious, still hard disagree on that one but that is a losing battle. I doubt Yaygyu can beat certain individuals beneath him such as Siegfried and Gawain (Sun) since they are too tanky.
@@altirius Huang Feihu, he's from the same story as Taigong and has some insane feats like fighting multiple servants at the same time while holding back, one of said servants was Yagyuu. Sadly it's up for debate if he can be summoned normally.
If we don't take into account the noble phantasm people are missing Archer Gil, Enkidu/Kingu King Richard Artoria Lancer Minamoto no Raikou, Miyamoto Musashi, EMIYA archer Lancelot
Emiya: in a weakend state calls sun Gawain "sloppy and easy to avoid", after Rin/Rani turns off the sun, instantly, with a single blow, causes Gawain to fum over what happened to his body, forcing Leo to order retreat. Also Emiya: destroys Herc several times in succession with different methods. Also Emiya, right after defeating and sparing Jean D'ark gets attacked by Artoria and forces her into retreat. Brain dead ubwlees Shirou: manages to break Salter's spine before frying his brain. The game art actualy shows Salter using manabursts. Guess who: Emiya is not even top30. Imma beter put Iskandar in here, since he was shown exchanging exactly one blow with Altera. Also who remembers Medusa ? I certainly don't.
@@fruktoid6950 Also EMIYA "I can't beat Li Shuwen and Lu Bu unless I use my NP." Also BB "EMIYA Alter is a B Rank Servant." Also EMIYA: Not even Top 7 strongest servants in the Moon Cell.
1) Didn't Muramasa(Saber) defeat Inshun with one blow? 2) Isn't Altera equal to Scathach, after the duel she said that Altera is too dangerous? 3) Caenis is a character from Lostbelt, isn't he? 4) After all, Kingu fought with Quetzalcoatl in CQC approximately on an equal footing, I doubt that it differs from the one in Chaldea, in terms of CQC, why is it not there? 5) When did Arjuna and Karna show a sudden increase in strength through the use of Mana Burst? 6) So Lancelot(Berserker) slaps Lancelot(Saber) and Gawain(Sun)? 7) How high up on the list would Musashi and Sasaki be at the end of Shimosa? 8) Strange question, but why is everyone mentioning Gilgamesh in the comments, did he fight with someone in CQC?
1) Lancer of Purgatorio was testing his regeneration. He wasn't going all out. 2) Scathach was talking about altera being too dangerous compared to the ghosts they are supposed to be fighting. It was never stated they were equals. They might be, but it is impossible to tell with just 1 exchange. If they are tied then iskandar and altera would be way higher. 3) Caenis is from PHH. 4) Quetzalcoatl had faith from her temple. She was stronger by an undetermined amount. 5) Karna with mana burst is as strong as Karna + Atalanta. It is stated that no other Lancer would have been able to match Vlad III in Romania. 6) Lancelot as a Berserker is stronger than his Saber counterpart by 1 rank. Saber being his best class is likely due to Arondight Overload. 7) Musashi and Sasaki are on par with Yagyuu.
Lancer of Purgatorio doesn't fight the same way as Inshun.They aren't the same They think that Gilgamesh should be able to beat most of these servants. In my opinion he should be on the list considering his amazing armour and how easy it is for him to bombard servants with weapons from Gate of Babylon at nearly any range.
@@guesswho8556 1) I re-read Shimosa and yes he does rely on regeneration, however being fast and strong enough to dodge and destroy his entire upper body is enough to put him above Orion 2) Ok. 3) Ok. 4) It turns out that Kingu can be higher on the list? 5) Ok. 6) Does this mean that Lancelot(Saber) was not much lower than Berserker? 7) Ok.
@@tribalchief91567 So everyone in the comments is talking about Gilgamesh (Prototype)? If so, as far as I remember he won thanks to CQC and GoB, in my opinion, without GoB he would have been lower than Altera.
Nice top ! Well, it's a concept that existed ever since I came here, so I'm glad that it's finally getting a top on it's own. Music is nice, and give "fun" feelings. Cuz I guess that's the essence of it. Even if you did go insane, pretty sure it was insanely fun for you XD. Anyways, as always, giving my support. And i can't wait to have a fun read for the list justification!
@@knightofthelake8112 Tristan is as SKILLED as arash. No one said he was as strong. Tristan is weaker than RUSTY Gawain WITHOUT the sun buff. His arrows can't damage mordred either.
Hessian Lobo was stated to be stronger than Saber Alter with a Holy Grail supply? I didn't know that. I just didn't want to include all the Phantom/Alter Ego fusions. I wanted to keep the list simple.
@@guesswho8556 well if you are including that Salter, you can also include Super Grailed Culter from America endgame and Mana Buffed Karna from Extella Link
@@altirius There's a difference between being connected to your master and having another servant (rex magnus in this case) buffing you with their NP. Including that version of karna is silly. Cu Alter with the Grail buff was getting deleted by the singularity. He was actually weaker than before. We never saw him at full power.
Confused here. Shouldn't king hassan be a lot higher? Gawain said his power rivaled the lion king and he could've stopped her when they built the holy city. I read in one of the comments that he is less skilled than heracles in swordsmanship. But swordsmanship alone aint wining since in that case kojiro would be number 1. Speaking of him he should be honoured into the list bcz of his np-less np. I like arjuna and all but i feel he lacks feat in cqc. The only solid one he has was in America but one could assume he only did so well bcz he was very familiar with karna's combat style due to their history. Just like how chiron did well in cqc in apocrypha against achilles (not just their final fight but also the one in the forest). You took salter's strongest variation than wouldn't it be fair to include lb4 karna? Pretty sure super karna or even post hyperbolic karna with shiva buff >>> Salter grail. Do justice to best dog. Hessian lobo is a servant variant in chaldea.
The list I'm pretty sure was not including LB variants which was what lb4 karna was. King Hassan isn't grand on this list, he was using the normal variant we see for a bit in FGO arcade where he was indeed noted to be below Heracles. They not that Arjuna was performing exceptionally well against Karna despite being at a class disadvantage, they the attribute this to his skill and prowess not because he was "familiar" with Karna's fighting style. Karna in Apocrypha had the grail buff as well when he fought against Sieg which is being used here but Salter showed far more power in the fact that she was able to take down Heracles multiple times over despite him gaining tons of resistance while Karna wasn't even able to kill Sieg even once, we further see that Cu Alter easily defeated Karna in cqc while poisoned but when it came to Saber Alter, he needed to be healed and use his np to defeat her.
@@danielguardado4574 pretty sure it says fgo main story up to lb5. Regarding king hassan, my original point still stands. I dont know how you concluded salter showed far more than karna whilst being grail boosted when the later was fighting on a 5 minute time handicap against sieg who mind you could only survive karna's assault bcz of his buffs that he normally wouldn't have. He showed better what hes capable of in extella link when given a battery but i digress. Anyways, point is lb4 karna could have been on the list.
King Hassan in Camelot was either alive, or a grand servant, or both. King Hassan isn't "less skilled" than heracles. He is weaker period. Why would arjuna be familiar with karna's fighting style if karna never fought using a spear when he was alive? Either way, that would apply to karna as well. How do we know the reason karna does so well against arjuna is that he knows his moves? It's a 2 way street. Karna post training was tied with Ashwatthama. Why would he be above Saber Alter? A much stronger ashwatthama in his final ascension was beaten by rama + mash. And including super karna doesn't make any sense. He is a fusion of multiple beings. I'm not including fusions and LB servants.
@@guesswho8556 i doubt heracles is stronger than king hassan. He was comparable to lion king who herself should be above regular artoria. Are you basing this opinion from the fgo arcade statement? Regarding arjuna, i said it may be a possibility he did well against karna even with class disadvantage due to him being familiar to him. And what makes you thing karna never usee a spear in the past? They were both renowned as veteran martial artist in various disciplines in their myth. For karna it aint a two way bcz his class gave him better cqc advantage. Anyways just saying its a possibility nothing concrete. Ash 3rd ascension stronger than karna with shiva buff? Feat wise the latter went toe to toe with arjuna alter (weakened) and survived a round. The former lost to mid tier and fatigued servants... Karna post training + Shiva > Salter.
@@bluemoon9683 As I said, King Hassan in Camelot is alive/using his Grand Servant powers, as Chaldea quickly dtected his grand status as soon as he appeared. In Arcade where he isn't using his grand power he is stated to be weaker than Herales. I am not including fusions. Stop bringing up karna after absorbing other deities.
Love the background music Why are Arjuna and Arash this high? Shouldn't Siegfried be higher since his skills and stats are already Karna tier add his armour and his Balmung nukes and I think he should be a bit higher. You might've forgotten these guys but the Valkyries should be here.
Arjuna and Arash can and have fought powerful servants in CQC. Arjuna was even with Karna, and Arash with Lancelot. Siegfried is equal to Karna without mana burst. That's where he's ranked. He shouldn't be higher.
@@guesswho8556 Ok thanks He was compared to Karna(armour). The statements comparing Achilles to Karna only mention strength and skill. In his fight against Gawain in Foxtail Leo mentions that Karna's armour is an unfair advantage, this was the fight where Karna and Gawain were equals. This shows that Karna's armour even if it's only used for a few turns like in Foxtail is a massive buff to Karna. If Siegfried has similar strength and skill to Karna just like Achilles then giving Siegfried Armour of Fafnir should be a big buff. Siegfried also didn't use any Balmung nukes in his fight against Karna. But we know from the Turas manga and the Solomon movie that he should be able to use them.
@@ranonjyke53 there's no such thing as "balmung nukes". NPs are not being taken into account. Having a good armor is not a huge buff. It was stated that Siegfried could have dicapitated karna if he dropped his guard for even a slight moment. Gawain with the sun buff and Cu chulainn are stated to be equal to Full Power Karna with his armor.
Why is Berserker Lancelot so high? He lost against Kiritsugu's Artoria when she had no will to fight, weak legs and eyes covered in tears. Diarmuid should be on par with a Full Power Artoria, so why is he below Lancelot? Is it because Artoria had to use Mana Burst ( i don't know if she had, i'm assuming )?
Best case I can think off, Kariya's dying making him fighting with a dying Mana Supply and is drastically weakens himself is a factor compare to Artoria
Lancelot was fucking thrashing Artoria about it in their final fight. She barely survived. As Excalibur is the Sword of Promised Victory, it will always shine as long as the wielder seeks victory, but in that fight, Excalibur was just a bland sword, no light at all. Meaning, Artoria didn't want to win. She had accepted death, but the strike that should have killed her, Lancelot was frozen like a robot. Kariya died and severed the pathway of mana, and so Artoria took that moment to kill him. Artoria wouldn't have won. Zerkerlot is a physically better Lancelot which would make a big difference in power, using Cu Alter as an example.
@@See-BeeBee123 But that's only enough to prove Lancelot ( Berserker )>Kiritsugu's Artoria without will to fight. So how can one prove with this that Lancelot Berserker>Diarmuid who is on par with a full power Artoria + her will to fight?
I don't think he should be in the top 30, but I would like to make a comment about how much I like Archer EMIYA close combat style, the guy goes and with two short swords he fights against a Lancer even though he is a Archer, all a kamikaze the EMIYA
Struggle? Stated Medusa can only last 2 minutes against her normally and that it was a miracle she even lasted 12. Salter also needed to hold back her firepower to avoid destroying the cave they were in. Stated in the VN. I don't know where you got the servants below Salter would have done better against Medusa in those circumstances
@@guesswho8556 those excuses dont work when you have grail buff giving infinite mana bursts. Salter is overrated. her cqc is hot garabge carried by grail.
@@yagabeat2864 unlimited mana doesn't matter if you need to hold back your output to avoid collateral damage. Salter is stated to be the strongest servant in stay night in straightforward attack power and to rival serious Gilgamesh. She's as physically strong as Heracles even without firing Mana Burt's nukes as well. She also blocked a surprise attack from Full Power Cu Alter in FGO. The same Cu Alter that while Poisoned by Semiramis and Robin hood could one shot Karna. Salter with her MB is several times stronger than that. She's the undisputed strongest.
Take them in an opened space and Salter will ragdolled Medusa harder than she did to Heracles. The Grail Buff doesn't work since her Stats doesn't get boosted at all
I believe Emiya should be 10 or 9 (2 if saber alter rlly used prana burst against Shirou in their fight) Since you believe that saber alter = Heracles in CQC Shirou with archers arm is capable of beating saber alter in a duel and this shirou if I remember correctly is inferior to Archer and Archer has taken half of heracles Life even when he got injured and his swordsmanship is so great that Heracles himself acknowledge it
I don't "believe" salter = heracles. It is stated in the Visual Novel. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. Shirou used the Triple Crane Wings to defeat Saber Alter. That's EMIYA'S ultimate Noble Phantasm. NPs aren't taken into account. If they were, Sasaki Kojirou would also be top 10 or so.
Grail empowered servant feels like a cheat in the list, like giving two pilots two different cars, one from 10 years ago and one with modern engine and ranking which one drove best and faster
Kind of funny how these some of these Servants are from a Human History that can put up a decent fight to win against ones that are basically God lineage and is still enjoyable. Not like a certain series I won't say the name off
He took the strongest version in cqc.If he had put Artoria instead of altria, she would be top 1 also . Altria is a bit stronger than Artoria in cqc thanks to Sakura.
At least the cu's have different classes and abilities. Artoria and saber alter are just the same. Having them tied or one placed right above the other one was lame.
Grail buff seems like weird to put on a list. I would have just added normal Artoria/Salter to keep it simple. Y is iskandar that high Also where Berserker Hyde
The Grail buff is just mana supply. If salter is that high is due to her power, not having unlimited mana. Even if you gave everyone else a grail the ranking wouldn't change. Iskandar even while rusty is on par with Karna. At Full Power he is equal to Altera, who claps Cu Chulainn and Sun Gawain.
Rewatching this, idk why you don’t have Kojiro up here. If the list is excluding NP’s, then he should still qualify right? He was putting full power Artoria on the ropes and while yes, he’s weaker on average with even ground, that’s about the only time he can use Tsubame Gaeshi and Saber is explicitly beneath the full technique so it shouldn’t matter.
It was stated that artoria as shirou's servant would beat him if he didn't have a high advantage. He shouldn't be above Mordred, who even chiron couldn't take down.
@@guesswho8556 yes, that’s if he doesn’t use Tsubame Gaeshi, which he only does when he is on even ground. So even if he loses the advantage in basic swordfighting on the stairs, he still beats Artoria with TG which is not even an NP.
@@myspacebarbrokenevermindif9892 ok. I wasn't taking tsubame gaeshi into account since that is his pseudo noble phantasm. If you take it into account then yes, he would make it to the list.
@@myspacebarbrokenevermindif9892 In a closed space he could be 8 or 9 but he has bad compatibility with a ton of people like Achilles, Herc or King Hassan who would just tank his attacks no diff. If the battlefield is an empty void he would be lower because his opponent wouldn't be pressed to face tsubame gaeshi and could just nuke him from affar or overwhelm him with superior speed. Although I'm not sure if that would still be considered CQC...
Idk man, didn't Bryn's lore state that sigurd already beaten her once while they were alive? But then again,they really much feats to go around with most servants in fgo.
Brynhildr never lost to sigurd as far as I know. In fact, Brynhildr is the one that killed sigurd. We have already seen brynhildr beat the valkyries, who were equal to sigurd/siegfried already.
@@guesswho8556 nah, she did, although to be fair it was maybe on uneven ground. The part in the volsunga saga where sigurd who has lost his memories and was there in the form of his brother in law, he was asked by said brother to defeat her using his appearance so that he can marry her, since brynd will only marry the one who can best her and yeah she did lose to him.
@@vartner8051 I don't know if that has been referenced in fate, but it doesn't change the fact that it was ALIVE Sigurd, and that at the end Brynhildr ended up being the one who killed him.
@@guesswho8556 they were both alive imao. "Gudrun's brother also desired to marry Brynhildr, so he and Sigurd rode off to meet with her, yet she still loved Sigurd and said only the one who passes the trials shall gain her hand in marriage. Gunther knew he could not do it, so he had asked Sigurd for aid. The one she loved the most in the world; disguising himself with runes in the guise of his brother-in-law's shape. Sigurd rode forth with his steed Grani, proposing to her again in the guise of his brother-in-law, however Brynhildr knew it was Sigurd. Challenging him into a fight, although this was sophistry as Sigurd was already much stronger than her. As a result, he won the fight from the combat skills she provided to him from their time together, presenting her as his brother-in-law's wife."
@@vartner8051 and later on in their lives sigurd was killed by byrnhildr. As servants sigurd is equal to siegfried, whereas brynhildr is equal to proto arthur and can beat 3 siegfried level opponents on her own.
Artoria said that even if she regained her full power, she still can't imagine someone that is actually able to beat Heracles. The only advantage that she has over him is Mana Burst, but since Diarmuid doesn't have one, he should be equal to an Artoria who thought that no one could truly best Heracles. So i'd say Heracles=Diarmuid in CQC
@@guesswho8556 We saw Prince of Lanling in SIN lose to Mordred + Spartacus + Jing Ke, then Yu's interlude confirmed he's actually way stronger than what he showed during the Lostbelt. (In your SIN ranking video you mention Mordred would have a slight edge over him with CBA and that's LB Lanling) Yu's interlude even has him defeat Nezha+Spartacus+Jing Ke+Red Hare+Mordred+Mash solo (Well, with Fujimaru support) and it explicitly mentioned how he dodged all of their NP, while this is mainly bc the others had Yu as a master, who's one of the shittiest masters in the franchise, I'd argue he should at the very least rank higher than Mordred considering he can keep up with her + 5 other Servant. We also have his own interlude where Yagyuu is disappointed he can't have a proper duel with him.
@@banjo1919 My bad, I mixed up qin Liangyu and prince of lanling. Just realized now. Prince of lanling had help from qin shi huang's soldiers in LB3 iirc. He never fought the chaldea servants 1v1, and he had max fame, as opposed to the good guys
Giving a person with a weapon like Excalibur and a mana battery with a Trillion mana. If Altria Alter had more time to charge, she could have likely wiped Fuyuki off the map.
Her attack potency should already be up there. Ozymandias' Dendera is on par with a Solar Flare, and Ea is stated to be on par with the movement of tectonic plates. Excalibur scales to both, so it should have Continental Attack Potency.
@@guesswho8556 I saw that you posted in the community about the speed of fate and some servants, but I have a doubt based on the travel speed, what would be the speed of God Arjuna since he has that ship there of the Hindu gods.
@@hajundeushadou3931 Vimana had trouble catching up with the storm border, which moves at 90-200km/h iirc. In zero, Gil's Vimana had no trouble keeping up with lancelot's jet which should be moving at least at Mach 2.
@@guesswho8556 Should God Arjuna's combat speed be at least the speed of light or close to it, since Arjuna Regular has already reached speed of thunder ? do you disagree?
@@hajundeushadou3931 arjuna alter should be faster than light. Even regular arjuna already scales to achilles, who is faster than caenis, musashi, diarmuid, and Artoria, all of whom have been stated/shown fighting at relativistic speeds.
There is some Servants I'm surprised to not see in the list - Alcide (I think he's different enough to Zerker Herc to have his own placement, is it because you put them at same place ?) - Enkidu (Do you consider that when using AoB it's not really CQC ? I don't remember if he need a TNR to use AoB) - Lobo - Roland (featless I assume) - Kriemhild (she has enough feat to be top 30 imo but since she needs 2 Grails' backup you probably didn't include her) Also, it's probably a tipo but why restricted to FGO up to LB5 ?
@@yamifoene7534 In this list there are Chaldean Servants and PHH ones. Alcides ( at least the version with feats ) is not from PHH and is not present in Chaldea
@@thehunter2093 Alcides is Archer Herc corrupted by mud or whataver Bazdilot used to change him (I don't remember if it was mud + CS only or if he added something else). It's basically same shit as Salter, so yes if Salter or even CuAlter are considered from PHH, Alcides should be too But I agree that since it's Chaldea servants only, he shouldn't be in this list
