Mishimas are hard on purpose. They are always going to be truly monstrous characters that need godlike pilots to show of their canon strength as well. Spot on Mishima analysis but duh it’s you. Thanks again.
Steve is super hard because you have to be precise with every input, due to his counter attacking nature. I never realized how much this is the case until I picked up Nina and matched my Steve rank fast simply by playing aggressive and spamming strings lol
It's so interesting watching you have crazy execution but struggling mega hard to do the akuma thing. When I came to tekken from street fighter I could do the akuma stuff with almost no issue because it's borderline exactly his sf4 combos, but then I spent 2 hours in training before I managed to throw out a single perfect electric as kazuya
Something nobody brings up is that theres so many kinds of execution and many struggle and excel at different kinds I can time elecs, but my sf6 luke is garbage cuz i suck at timing button releases for perfect flash knuckles, and theres apparently some pros who can barely execute charge moves, so ye, guess tmm cant do akumas bs well
@@HELLRAISER02 I can do Leo KNK cancels relatively easy, but i cant play mishimas because my finger gets tired after a few matches and i fail the electrics. not sure whats going on but thats how it is.
@@desgyulabalogh3429 well if crouchdashes tire yo fingers out then yeah, mishikas arent for you, tho if you csn do leo cancels thats cool cuz i barely know that char
As a Paul main since the 90s, there's absolutely nothing more frustrating than fighting a high level Steve because Paul's linear nature makes it really hard to fight someone with good timing. I usually carve through Kaz players like hot butter but fighting a really good (non spammy) one is one of the most satisfying experiences in the game.
@@jimjim435 It's okay but those moves are so well known and he has such a reputation that most players with a decent amount of experience can anticipate a lot of them.
Also a Paul main! When I play Steve mains, I try to out-time them. Read their jabs and try to df2 them, or Demo Man when they leave themselves open. On my channel, I have a vid of me playing a decent Steve. It’s all about timing and trying to refrain from being predictable. And yeah, every Steve main I play takes advantage of me every single time I throw out a qcb 4 lol.
@@Madheim777That's a really bad reason "Jin combos are harder because you have to think more and that's why he's harder than Kaz or hei" Jin's combos are not complex, he just has more wall-carry. The argument here would be that Jin's combos don't have a universal staple you have to do different stuff for every combo. You clearly don't play Kazuya because he's the same. Jin's combos are not complex in any way, shape or form. I play Jin and I can easily convert into the most damaging staple. Devilster does it, it's not hard you do get used to his attacks you have the whole arsenal in your mind. Why am I even trying to explain just watch the video and you'll understand.
@@ScrambledEggAbdullah calm down bro. Im actually a Kazuya main, just didn't explain myself properly. It was just an opinion, and if im wrong at least i prefer a proper explanation of why, without having to criticise me that harsh.
95% of the comments whining about TMM being biased towards Kazuya, although they also have their own mains, but whatever. 5% of the comments referring to the actual topic.
This community deslikes kazuya and always tries to gaslight us.. But they are beta males and sheep while we're lions, we should not bother about their opinion 🐑
Well you gotta be objective while making tier lists there is no room for biases. I main Jin he’s hard but I won’t go too far and call him the hardest in the game. He’s not Lee for example.
I hate this phrase "just side step left". Every time I meet Kazuya I play with that mind and got caught by hell sweep 7 out of 10 times while stepping left. Stepping left is way harder than just doing 50/50 on a vortex
You can reliably sw to the left to beat like 90% of kazuya's neutral. If what you're saying is true then 1 of 4 scenarios are happening 1 He's locked you behind heavy plus frames and you shouldn't sw 2 You're side stepping instead of walking 3 You try to punish too early and extend your hitbox so the sweep catches you 4 The kazuya mixes his timing and realings with you using wavedash before going for the hellsweep
@@vasvro3460 It's about okizeme. I don't know how much plus Kazuya has on every type of knocking me out. But I also cannot just lay one the ground because of pendal. So it's always a choice between getting flipped on the ground or got clipped by hell sweep because i don't have enough frames to side walk after getting up
@@VladislavSnegurov Try to tech roll to the Left and immediately move to the Left ... I get caught sometimes but this is helpful...that and staying in the ground
TMM, you should check out ChrishinTheLee he's arguably the best Lee in T7 right now. He discovered a way to improve Lee's 50/50 through a tech he called the Hitman Shuffle.
@@ronoronoronorono Well, since we're talking about character difficulty and this being Lee stuff, it won't be that reliable until you really got the hang of its execution and usage.
@@seed8325Bro exactly Kazuya is basically just 50/50 and some hard combo but not the hardest. He'll do anything to make sure his main doesn't get nerfed 💀
I understand Kazuya isn't safe, pewgf is very hard to do, lacks panick moves and doesn't have the most pressure tools but c'mon he is not harder than steve lool.
He is harder than Steve imo. I main Steve and only play these two characters. Steve has a lot of pressure tools and is easier to play because he's safe. A lack of good lows and standing launchers make him hard to open people up tho
The difference I think is that steve can be played very safe without much care for frames or learning matchups, most of his strings are safe, and he has arguably the best ch launcher in the game which can just be thrown out for free usually. Kazuya on the other hand has to change his gameplan drastically depending on who he is fighting, he is also very unsafe and doesnt have pressure or pokes, so relies on whiff punishing and block punishing. Its not a matter of execution but gameplan imo.
@@reebul8768 I think it depends. I have more fun playing chaotic with Kazuya. Steve isn't as fun unless I spam df2. B1 is boring too. I think the vortex makes it easier to force situations
Ok hahahha 24:43 I must say that I actually laughed badly when TMM said: "let me explain why Akuma is not top 5 difficulty" and then proceeds to struggle doing a single reset and says "Oohh it's really hard to do!" xDD
There are so much more Kazuya out there than Akuma online. You only really ever see Akuma in the highest tier of game matches. Need to further define what "Hardest" means here. Kazuya is easy to get into hard to master. Look at how many green ranked Kazuya's there are.
@@S0M3GUY778not even knee can get down akuma. You have to live and breath akuma and have better execution than knee to get down akumas staples. I have only faced one akuma in like 6 years who can do his shit consistent.
@@S0M3GUY778 My guy, you cannot tell me that spamming electrics are way more harder than inputting an EX move. Have y'all forgot that you also need to input the forward direction TWICE to cancel that move into a regular combo? Lmfao.
saying jin is one of the hardest expecially over heihachi jjust because of f4 ( when u dont need to do the hard combo the hard combo just has 0 risks) just because he has every move ud ever want ( the best version of those moves aswell) is like someone in the desert having to walk miles to one water source while jin is in a 18 bedroom mansion complaining about him not being able to get a drink because he dosent know which fridge to go to
Defense is the hardest part of Tekken, which is why Heihachi isn't a hard character. He never loses his turn and is very safe so he never has to play defense. The only "hard" part of heihachi is electric, which isn't even that hard. With his buffs and jab/df1 range increase he's incredibly easy to just spam and rush down your opponent.
Then again you also have to understand that he doesnt really have a while standing launcher thats good (Yes his WS3 , 1+2 is a WS launcher but its 18 frames). His hell sweep only knocks down on counterhit or on the 2nd hit of the sweep. Also he does have to play defence as well because he's still at -1 or -3 at most when using his DF1,1 or his 1,1 which means a jab will beat his jab which means you're now +8 no? I get that he has cheese but to say that he isn't hard is untrue compared to the rest of the cast.
@@YoshiSenX1 if you think being -1 to -3 means you have to play defensive then you don't understand Tekken. At those frames you can sidestep 99% of i13 or faster moves, therefore your opponent cannot check you and you are in a RPS situation. It just becomes a mind game. Hei has an i18 ws launcher and one of the best i13 ws punishers in the game (buffed from i14) so that point doesn't count. His hellsweep being weak doesn't make him "hard" either, that's an entirely separate point. In fact he can't check you with f3 after hellsweep without even having to think, so it actually simplifies his gameplay.
@@mlao1333So a WS move in addition to another move that pairs with it that equals to probably 45 dmg is better than a WS launcher? Also being -1 to -3 is just me saying that yes there is pressure there but you can out jab him because he is minus 1 and you are plus 1 therefore yes you can get out of the situation. I get that they can side step but so can you. Just like you said at those frames you can side step 99% of i13 or faster moves so then using that logic you can side step heihachis jab strings no? And yeah his hell sweep being shit doesnt make him hard but playing him and using his tools effectively enough to get to the point of like Fujin or above is goin to be a lot harder than if you were to take a character like Anna or Nina or Claudio there. My point is that he is hard compared to the rest of the cast as to what he has to work with. He has pressure yes, thats the mind game. Also if you can't react to DB2 properly then idk
When it comes to mishimas,If you are good at spacing,punishing,poking etc in generalities, All you need is just to master electrics and wave dash,Thats the only hard part,what else makes them hard?
in green rank maybe, they get countered so hard and you have to adapt while trying not to miss your execution which can get you combo’d for half your health if you miss just once, your neutral is hard you have no panic moves.
Their limited moveset contributes to their difficulty. Everyone KNOWS what you're trying to do as a Mishima. Unless you're a SUPER unorthodox player, green ranks will be hard for you because you're just learning the character, and the later ranks will be hard because most of the good players know how to deal with textbook Kaz, DJ, and Heihachi already.
@@OzirV1000 For eg i am good at punishing,spacing,Poking etc and now suddenly I decide to learn and play heihachi,the hard part is that I need to master the electrics and wavedash pressure..The rest are just his fundamental tool that require no execution.
It's a legacy input that is unecessarily tricky. There's a lot of awkward inputs that need to be executed really quickly. It's made easier in Tekken 8 for at least Law
in the highest level kazuya may be the most difficult but overall if we take every level in consideration i would place him at 3rd place, steve and jin are way more difficult to learn than kazuya
@@steponmeplease6217 I mean that's my take, I main bryan and kazuya, i have started play jin 1 year ago and have much more difficult time with him than kazuya but you can disagree with me. no problem ^^
@@BillyVorkutaAs someone who's main team was Kazuya and Jin, and then Jin and Armor King in Tag 2, and now being a Bryan main in T7, I think you're both partly correct. Jin at face value seems easier to play than Kazuya because he has a way more diverse arsenal and can be played in a number of different ways. Kazuya is a defensive vortex powerhouse that really excels at one particular playstyle. Like me, you started with Kazuya first, which is why you're probably having so much trouble with Jin. I'll add that I think Kazuya is harder than Bryan, but for me it's hard to say because I'm a way better Tekken player now than I am back then. I have a lot of success with Bryan and have completely dropped Kaz in T7.
Devil Jin should be on here since he’s now more difficult than the other mishimas in my opinion. He doesn’t have a really good mid anymore and i feel like hes the mishima that needs to use IWR for a decent mid launch.
@@sliceog710 idk man, launching hellsweep is pretty hard to argue with, and you can adjust the combo from his hellsweep to give good oki. I'll admit the mid options are weaker than Kaz's but he still has FF2 and B4 which is nothing to scoff at
I hope Tekken 8 has better netcode than 7, because I'm sick of being hardwired on PC and only running into Wi-Fi Warriors. It's so tilting to have every combo drop to lag, but they're all hitting their shit.
always refreshing to hear someone who's not a steve main, acknowledge that he's not only difficult to use, but he's the most honest character in the game. that's why i have a pocket Kat for scrub match ups. people still cry about b+1 like it wasn't nerfed lol. shut up & high crush.
I learnt this game as a mishima main, thinking they are the hardest in the game esp kaz. But the honest truth is once you eventually can ewgf consistenty on both sides which is tricky at first but honestly easy once u have it. Its wayy too good, I dropped mishimas because you can almost win off ewgf alone its so good, wayy too much range, massive hitbox, plus on block and safe on whiff. U start a match land ewgf 5 times and you have won all 3 rounds lol. Add the best punishment in the game, godtier lows and a more safe mid launchers.... kaz is defo not the hardest in the game im sorry but ewgf makes them(mishima) one of the easiest once u can do it well. Not sure who it is but its probably someone with not many launching properties in their move list. Out of this list akuma is by far the hardest and I will explain to all u who cannot do the big boi stuff. It took me months (almost a year) but now I have the same execution as superak. On paper is sounds op the fadc into b1, but once u can even do it u realise how close u have to be to land it, I can death combo on reaction but good luck being in clean hit range vs a player with half a brain cell and on top of that u are never sure whether to commit and waste bar lol. Tmm is a better mishima than me, but I reckon I can still win just off decent block punishment and being carried off ewgf alone sadly
I played Kazuya for years and all this "if you lose to Kazuya you lost to the better player" is complete BS. I beat plenty of people with 50/50 dogshit, i wasn't "the better player" they just guessed wrong.
@@mish5898bro thanks for being honest but mighty ruler is not tekken. No one knows shit there. Its the new green rank in the latest season. So yeah you ll get away with it as you said. But not in real tekken matches where both know the game
@@omargholam2514 well that's why i said what i said. I know people that think true blues are still kind of shitty. Here is the thing i notice about these videos though when talking about "real tekken" when it's defending a person's character people are like "ah yes but at the highest level..." but when it's accusing other characters of "having BS" it's suddenly talking points that would not really affect the best players anyway. For example here we might say "Kazuya is the hardest at high competitive levels! Real Tekken!" but then we will see "Asuka is brain dead low execution bullshit!" and then hardly anyone is really winning at a high level, certainly not at something like Evo.
I know that Jin has good and bad changes going into Tekken 8. But isn't anyone else really bummed out that his normal hellsweep doesn't launch anymore? I haven't had a chance to play the CNT but going from the news that I've heard from some of the fun things that I loved using with Jin (namely Zen stuff/canceling and hellsweep combos) have been removed or nerfed. Feel pretty bummed out despite the cool things we got in return (and lets be real, those cool things will be nerfed at launch).
@@fullmotivatedgamer8612 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Oo_cKQUY-7M.html (at 1:20). This is what I've seen that would indicate hellsweep doesn't launch anymore
I think Nina is pretty overlooked because of her cheese at beginner to intermediate level but at high level, execution is a must and she becomes one of the hardest character in the game
yeah, im trying to learn nina and i just drop it every time from the execution barrier on the ss cancels Edit: if someone wanna teach me how to play her im down to learn!
It's only at pro level, you can still reach high ranks with Nina with spammable strings and abusing that most people don't know the match up, and you can get so easily away with her and still climb to TGP with no big effort compare to other characters.
So what makes Kazuya cheap in your opinion? Omg he has an electric and his damage is really high from an unsafe mid ch launcher, oh he also have hellsweep which gives him oki, like no other character can do this from the roster, but 100 times better and easier.
I don't agree with Bryan being one of the most difficult outsides of taunt. The Hyashida is an issue with his backdash but it's something he shares with Nina and Paul which you never bring up with them. He has df1 substitutes like his df2 and his d2. The only characters that don't have df1 style mid check are Kazuya, Josie and maybe Marduk. His jab range is not bad. Most characters jabs wouldn't reach at the distances you were demeonstrating. He gets the whole of 1,2,1 or 1,2,4 on CH and is safe unlike characters that have to CH confirm their jab strings like Dragunov, Lars etc. His magic 4 has an easy option in 4,3 charged 4 which can be easily CH confirmed. 4,3 is -10 on block but the followups are a big threat to someone trying to punish that. His combos don't lose much damage when you go for easier options. It's not like Lee and Law who lose a lot of damage and carry if you can't do their b2 cancels/DSS.
I judge hard-to-play characters by how many players I see in tournaments get high on the leaderboards with certain characters. This is because a character maybe "easy" to pick up and play, but to play AND succeed is a different matter entirely. For example, I'd say someone like Jack isn't hard when you see many players like Anakin, Joey Fury, Noroma, and even Saint back then almost consistently get into top 32, 16, 8, etc using Jack. A "Hard-to-play" character that I don't find at all "Hard-to-play" is Akuma, and that's solely because of Super Akouma, Rickstah, AK, and basically every other Pakistani player that somehow has a pocket Akuma (Atif Butt, Awais Honey, Bilal, Farzeen, etc.) In the same vein, I find that someone like Kazuya is hard to play not just because of the execution hurdle, but because virtually no one consistently gets into top 32, 16, 8 etc. with him. You'll see occasional Kazuyas in the upper brackets like Shrimboo or Nene the Dragon (both beat Qudans' DVJ with Kazuya), but never anyone who actually is a tournament regular that consistently uses Kazuya nor wins with him. I'd have said that someone like Kodee is a tournament "regular", but we don't regularly see him actually get too far into any tournament. The reason why I gravitate towards tournament play as the ultimate litmus test for whether a character is "Hard-to-play" is because the tournament regulars are players who have studied the game so much and have gone through so many different character choices in their gaming life that they've figured out which characters are worth taking to tournaments for the express purpose of winning. Case in Point: In Evo Japan 2020, everyone was running Leroy. That's because he was the easiest character to succeed with back then.
I agree. When it comes down to it, it's about which character is easiest to win with, and that's the top tiers. However at the same time, there is also the difficulty of getting a character to tournament level. Most top players would probably get better results with Shaheen rather than Akuma at first if they started learning both characters at the same time.
Why do people never mention how kazuya's eletric input is way easier than every other mishima because he gets to skip an entire input? Its arguably the best move in the game and kazuya's design makes it piss easy to do, but no one brings it up for some reason. Also, kazuya has infinitely better lows than heihachi and oki but ok
Heihachi's game plan doesnt require good lows, he makes you not want to duck so his lows become free. He has a ton of pressure and amazing frames on his mids and highs, kazuya does not. Kazuya is a defensive character, Heihachi is an offensive character. Its silly to make a comparison like that.
His electric is more lenient which means you can either skip the neutral or the down, those btw are the inputs for perfect electric. Doing electric with those inputs is not easy and also these inputs can not be combined with movement, because you‘ll get df2. So that’s the reason you want to learn how to do the traditional input, which in my opinion is easier.
@@omargholam2514 damn, no need to be so salty tho, was genuinely asking. To be fair, many people rarely sidestep these moves correctly like Chloes cali roll, that's why many of the characters are catalogued as "cheap" or "scrubby". Or people that forget to duck certain high strings on reaction... So you can get away with a LOT of stuff in tekken that on paper is weak or easily avoidable, just saying. It's like Kazuyas df2, someone like you, hell, even I would say it's a good move but flawed since you can get punished, but I rarely get punished when I play Kazuya and throw it out, I lose my turn of course but it's still one of the greatest counterhit tools in the game.
I completely disagree with Jin, you showed the reason why he his one of the easiest character, you can play whatever playstyle you want or need, the hardest thing to do is to remember all these key moves. Learning to do electrics and f4 combo is hard and requires time commitment but that does not make the character and anyway you essentially need these only for keep-out, also ch f4 dash d2 is a decent chunch of dmg while you learning the hard stuff.
For e.g If i am a king main and For eg i am good at punishing,spacing,Poking etc and now suddenly I decide to learn and play heihachi,the hard part is that I need to master the electrics and wavedash pressure..The rest are just his fundamental moves that require no execution for eg F4 F3 etc..
Idc what anybody says Akuma is the hardest execution on the game. Akuma staples is 100% harder than Jin and Steve, only Bryans taunt is harder which isnt even needed
lol thats not even why akuma is the hardest, its because with ewgf for examepl u can just throw it out anywhere on the stage... whiff here, whiff there, blocked your plus, hit its half life, for akuma u cannot spam anything , u are never sure to let the cancel into fadc b1 go or not. That alone is probably the hardest in the game, nevermind the execution which barely anyone can do lol
@@fullmotivatedgamer8612 Tekken god prime with Lee, Tekken King with both Law and Anna. What’s your point?and what’s your rank since you wanna act “educated”.
The character difficulty changes with the rank you are Heihachi is extremly Easy until you reach fujin or a bit more Akuma is very hard until you reach the competitive level And king is Always hard and fun to play 🐯
Jack is good at low level but as you rank up it gets harder and harder. Your defense needs to be always in point, he has no side step, weak wall carry, and pretty meh combo damage. Ignore Anakin, he’s godlike.
The difficulty changes during the rankings. But it's true, I find Jin players one step forward and they loose anywhere, but they are better player than me ( red purple ranks)
I remember him saying that having a lot of moves makes your character easier because you have more options and you can knowledge check but this doesn't apply to Jin for some reason lmao
Framewhispers entire chat just got triggered. XD. I've been squawking on this channel for years now that Heihachi isn't that hard to play. So good to see TMM finally coming around. My house mate is a TGP Hehachi and the dude barely can do electrics consistently, and can't do Omens at all. He simply doesn't need them. Then you have the recent buffs to jab range, and online it get easier because then he starts to have some lows, the man here is right that I hardly ever see anyone block db+2 online let alone the rest. And haven't mentioned hellsweep yet. The chaarcter has great mids and pressure to more than make up for it anyway.
I don't think Bryan is difficult at all. Only two things are hard, proper KBD because of sway and Taunt jet upper. Lee is a counter hit character and wayyyy harder than Brian. In fact if you can taunt jet upper consistently you just get an 18f unblockable launcher which is broken.
@@fullmotivatedgamer8612tju isnt broken because its hard just like df2 pewgf. But all those easy taunt follow ups are broken af honestly he is overtuned.
@omargholam2514 all those easy taunts follow ups. Lmao then by your logic every unreactable hellsweep broken since they launch on neutral. It's such a bullshit mentality being selective with broken mechanics ics
I have 350+ wins with bryan, I can do taunt b4 (sometimes) but I can't get out of the green ranks. It is true that he doesn't have cheese and his optimal combos are so damn hard.
I think Akuma and Lee are the hardest but akuma is #1. Kazuya is a great character to learn defense and patience but also required great execution so hes number 3. Akuma is so hard he's not even fun to play as.
Im an akuma main with all the big boi execution and everyone always says its easy. I say okay screenshare me on steam and do the combo I landed.... Silence or excuses every time
Akuma is the hardest to play. Dude does almost no damage till u learn how to utilize his meter. Plus tmm failing to do even the basic combos with his meter shows how amazing his execution is and why in Pakistan he's a favorite because most play and try learning him to highest level and care about BS online ranks. Akuma is a 2d lovers dream in tekken. The only way to explain this to anyone who disagrees with this is that akuma can't be played on pad on the highest level while there are numerous players who play the other orthodox tekken characters on pad. With akuma u atleast need a stick or a mix box.
I have a Pewgf and 4electric into bound Kazuya but that doesn't mean dick if I don't have the matchup knowledge. You'll checked hard if you don't lab all characters.
Bryan being there is just a joke imo and most of the stuff he said about him like 17:20 is just false, most of the bryans you meet online like to mash with him and he does have a jab string that ends with either a mid or low, yeah this is just a subjective list imo
He literally got 1 low follow up out of all the strings and i think its seeable as well (not 100% sure). What are you gonna mash with bryan ? Its either unsave or punishable if u get spammed by a bryan u probably dont know how to play against him since he relies on counterhits (2* he also got 3-2-1-4) but if u compare that to 90% of the roster he lacks good low strings and its not even close
@@jddm38 am not saying he's easy but top 3 in my opinion is not real, he's got a high skill cap but he's pretty much a cheese character online, which is 99% of the playerbase playground, people still eat his snake edge even in higher ranks like TG and all, and the i10 string that ends with low is not seeable at all which is why it's a common round ender for bryan. i'd say there are characters harder than bryan to play, Like Miguel or Eliza but am sure many would salt over my opinion lol. and for the other dude who asked about my Rank i don't play that often but i reached Yaksa in season 2. and i did Lab bryan back then too and found it he's pretty much another case of an all rounder because of Tekken 7's systems. you can make the character work 100% without ever needing the taunt, you still have more than decent tools for wakeups at the wall. it's so funny that TMM himself said the same about Akuma how he can be hard but dosen't have to be, i think Bryan fits that exact criteria.
Sure mishimas are hard, but damn… today i tried Lee and steve fox and i got fuckt… and im overlord with Jin and destroyer with Kaz and heihachi, but i can do every combo with them… but Lee was just on another level
The hardest characters in the game require godlike skills from the player and still even the best players often gravitate towards the easier ones. Comparing Jin/Kazuya vs Kunimitsu/Noctis difficulty is just insane. In T7 the harder characters in most cases are not rewarding enough.
I will never accept Bryan as a hard character. He does not Need the execution heavy stuff. you play keepout and abuse stupid broken safe moves and you are golden the opponent has the pressure on them to open you up when you can launch them from 2 screens with f32 or 3+4 CH. Bryan is dumb as a rock. Kazuya and Lee and Heihachi are hard because you have to use the hard stuff to play optimal. block punishing with electric is nigh impossible, but with heihachi you kinda have to if you dont wanna accept 45 dmg knockdown + followup for a WS -15 launch(in case of Heihachi) or a -15 standing punish (for kazuya). With Lee its like this: to deal any kind of decent wall carry you need the back 2 loops, and you gotta learn the hard punishers to get the most out of the character otherwise its not worth playing lee. Lee rewards the fanatical masochism very much. Just frames and all that shit.
I have no idea how hard steve is but no steve i ever played was bad fundamentally above yellow ranks, so you probably have to be very good to climb with him there is no cheap flowchart that gets you a high rank.
Some of these people in the comment section really think Kaz is easy cuz he has electric and a basic 50/50 mixup, something that no other character has of course, I can't...!💀
Considering how overtuned Kazuya is he is borderline braindead. The only really difficult stuff about him is pewgf, but you don't have to learn it to be scary opponent. Ewgf is pretty easy to learn, you don't need it at all in combos (his bnb 3 ewgf b2,1 works with 3 wgf as well). His moves has decent tracking, not completely linear. iWS4 is easy. He has amazing lows. A lot of power mids. Some cheap strings that works if you use them once in lifetime (like b3141 and b3143). 1243 is dumb. d1+2 being safeish low ch launcher is retarded. He even has hitconfirmable 13f mid in df4,4. Yes, frames are a lot worse than generic df1, but who cares? His range on EVERYTHING is huge. And for 15f he still has dedicated 15f punisher in df1,2 ff4. As Steve main this is a lot better than Steve's f1+2,2. Heihachi is unga-bunga baby mode easy character. OTGF isn't mandatory to play him, and without it he has nothing difficult. He lacks safeish lows, his db2 is reactable only in offline (I trained it a lot, never could react online) and lacks 15f punish, but overall he is typical braindead rushdown char. Steve's difficulty is underrated. Amount of mechanical stuff you have to learn is absurd. !s into flicker jabs, shiro combo, PABf2 into sonicfang, ext duck iWS1,2 and ext duck -> duck f2 -> iWS1,1 sonicfang, PAB d1 iWS1 (really important stuff. If you can't do it, d1 on hit leads to unfavorable RPS for both sides). + Don't forget about lacking mix. Jin is really quite easy and mash friendly. Didn't deserve place in this video. Bryan is literally broken. Huge range, decent frames, can't sidestep him, EVERYTHING leads to huge damage on natural hit or ch, next to no risk at all. Taunt is illegal. I'm happy it got nerfed in T8, I'm sad it still exists. Akuma is built different. If you dedicate your time, he's manageable, but you can't use this skill to improve your general tekken skill. But I agree, really difficult. Lee. Absurd keep away and ch bait game. Everyone keep saying his combos are difficult, but when I was unintentionally smurfing last years I met at least 4 green to orange rank Lee players who did his optimal combos and I'm sure they weren't smurfing. Is it SO hard to do?
Eh, to me hard means bad frames and impossible matchups if the other-side has matchup knowledge. All 5 chars here have good to great frames... Like if you play 500+ hours of any char you should become competent enough to do all their hard execution stuff, maybe not the perfect stuff, but def the hard stuff... and honestly on hitbox/keyboard a lot of the hard stuff isn't that hard to begin with. Really weird to me to argue that chars with some of the best frames are "hard"....
Did he really moan about kazuya ff3 being "sooooooo unsafe"? The 20f fast, +1 on block, 3 active frame launching mid? Cos you can sidestep it it's unsafe now? He will seriously try and convince you of anything to make his main sound as hard as possible.. 😂 what a good laugh that was..
"Steve and Jin are SUPER hard because they have alot of broken or perfect moves that you have to learn how to use at the right time" "Yoshi is super easy because he has a big movelist that your opponent has to learn otherwise theyre going to get blown up, and you can just spam flash, its a broken move." Yeah there isnt a 2 hour video of every flash gap/punish in the game, 4 different kinds of flash, if you use it wrong you get killed or best case you get clipped by something you were trying to interrupt, Whereas Jin totally doesnt have a parry everything button thats zero commitment and has even more broad application than Yoshimitsu's flash. Yoshi Steve and Jin are all fairly offense/defence balanced characters with big movelists of moves, alot of setups, character, stage, position, or situation specific knowledge requirements to play well, but Yoshi is super easy because... what, he has strong unblockables? you mean like Steve's guardbreak? He lacks execution? Like his main staple that requires a precise delay of a motion input for full damage, his F1+2 which like Jin's F4 has a harder version for much more damage (Yoshi's hard version is not as hard as Jin's absolutely, but its still difficult to staple), dash flash combos, unbufferable 3~4 inputs, his awkward post balcony break ender that requires a quick SSL, f, U3+4, his very rewarding CD1 whiff punishment, his iWS4 pickups from FF4? Not LOADS but theres alot of harder stuff, just like Jin, but Yoshi gets less for playing well, and simply doesnt have any good lows aside from his snake edge speed full crouch locked unblockable launcher with no range, the rest are seeable, lack range, frames, damage, or all three. Im hardly saying Jin is easy or anything but you cant say he's hard for said reasons and then look at Yoshi and just downplay him because "you dont see him much online".
Sorry for massive essay, ik, noone asked, but still, i just wanna point out a bit of the hypocrisy in what TMM tends to say when it comes to character difficulty is all.
I totally get your point, and to an extent you are right. But Yoshi still has a lot of "party" stuff that everyone just gets blown up by unless they labbed the matchup. Yoshi is very difficult at the higher ranks, but in the low ranks he can cheese a lot. Definitely not at like Xiaoyu or Lei level, but still to a good degree. And don't get me wrong, I do agree that he's amongst the harder characters in the game, overall. But he is definitely not as hard as anyone mentioned in this video. Yoshi might be like top 10 - top 15 hardest, which is still considered pretty hard, but he's not close to top 5 imo.
He downplays Lei the same way too, saying that Lei is easy to play because you have so many options. He legit tried to say that you can spam Razor Rush to get to Tekken God when its super punishable. Its clear the list is subjective but fighting against Lei is always fair
It’s funny to see everybody here rating their mains on execution alone lol, I don’t even play the game but if you actually see the video , I believe the criteria involves strategy, cheese factor and adaptability…..reading comments here seems like a bunch of kids comparing who’s got the biggest bag of chocolates lol
bro thats the dumbest thing someone ever said. She is the easiest cheesy character with easy mode broken strings. Mainman got tgp with here by using 2 strings just look it up lmao. Her ws cancel is never needed.
Kazuya is 1 of my mains & yeah he is 1 of the hardest characters to play but to say he's harder then Akuma? Nah bro what are you smoking? After the nerfs Devil Jin got he's harder then Kazuya at this point. Really gotta work for your wins & have super tight execution to get good damage with him now.
Nah this is wrong If it were not for “””execution”””. Steve is most likely the only character to make it to this list Anyways, the real difficult characters are Drag, Sha, Zumi and Jack Steve could most likely still fit in my list
I really dont understand this most of the characters you are talking many Can pick them train and do pretty good with them even at the High level of play but for akuma it is not He is broken but why is he in the 5 less used character , why his win rate ratio is pretty bad Even in tournaments they are not many people who Can make him work For me it is the proof that he is literally the hardest character in the game
