I have to agree with almost everyone's individual lists. The RAP4 468 definitely should have been on the Defcon list. The Lok-Bolt anti chop system and anti ball drop system put it in the top 5 for sure. This is not coming from a sponsored bias but it's honestly my favorite marker. I was using the 468 before RAP4/MCS ever signed me.
Honestly, they probably wouldn't have sponsored you if you hadn't already been a huge fan lol. I'm a huge Milsig fan, but I think the 468 should have been on the list too. Probably remove the t8.1 rather than the TMC though. 8.1s are super annoying to maintain.
Qaeta I don't think the Tippman TMC should be on here either, it's probably the lowest of the low when it comes to magfed. Not even FSR compatible. The new Valken magfed gun is in the same price range, and it's FSR compatible.
Hey!!! I watch ur vids. I think the reason the mcs 468 is not on here because of the price. The lowest i can get the ptrwith air in stock is still 900 and the t15 is only 500.
I got a Tippman TMC, only been in 2 or 3 games with it, and I absolutely love it. The only thing I didnt like is I had a big air tank, so I couldnt aim it effectively. Other then that, I love this marker.
I was a little sad to see 2 pistols here (would have been nice to see the TGR2 up there!) but solid review nonetheless. Definitely agree with the M17 in here.
A shoutout for the Tacamo Hurricane. I've been using mine for quite some time now, fantastic marker. Uses helix mags which are reliable, cheap and durable. Mine has E-Grip so it's 15bps full auto, and best of all it uses the awesome Phenom flexvalve!
I’m sponsored by Mcs and I almost always 3D print t15 mag wells for all my guns the helix and d mags have to many parts when you need to clean or just take apart it’s a pain in the ass and they break super easily
A plus with the T8.1, (or a negative, depending on your personal preference), is mounting the 12-gram CO2 cartridge in the magazine, rather than the body. Fresh mag = fresh gas.
I used to own a T-15, I sold it and replaced it with the TMC, mostly for the reason I didn't like the air canister being in the stock of the marker. However I never had an issue with either marker performing poorly on a course.
I am Cave Man why not both? Most firearm enthusiast have more than one. I play almost every weekend so a marker thats much more reliable and shoots betteris a good buy imo. I bought the cqb however which is 850 and much more affordable
I am Cave Man well with real firearms, you can't shoot ppl for fun. I don't understand your logic. those are two completely different purposes. Just saying bud...
Great review, the only thing that I would like to know in a more extended way - is which part metal and which is plastic in both First Strike and Milsig rifles.
I would have pick the 468 or any tacamo markers over the M17. especially the CQC wich is a pain in th ass. it shoots full auto but the air tank runs empty really quick. ans it's fragile. when it came out, lot of player broke the pistol grip or the handguard in a normal use just by squeezing it a bit too much. but what i like about Milsig is that they go out of their confort zone and try different style like they did with the SMG.
You beat me to it lol of course of course also don't get me wrong the tacamo vortex thier both empressive ... Note: Rap4 changed to Mcsusm.com for those that don't know
I my self have a Tiberius T15 I haven't used it yet cause I've been busy, but I know it's going to perform great! And before I use it i slowly buying the aftermarket parts that I want to use and make the gun my own unique paintball weapon of choice :)
what you could do with the tcm is to take a remote line and mount a smaller size tank up to 12 oz on the bottom rails to make it look like an underbarrel shotty or GL, just an idea for you.
if this list was for cheaper options (because of the absence of the DAM) then I would have put at least one Spyder MR series marker in there, probably the dual-feeding, first strike ready (FSR), fully automatic E-MR5, which can use an FSR rifled barrel to make it into a versatile sniper rifle.
also a few days ago, mislig announced a new rifle to their m line: the m5. its does everything the smg does AND everything the cqc does, plus allows for custom furniture not unlike the First Strike T15. including the stock mechanical full auto
Definitely should have only had one pistol. The 8.1 is amazing but the tipx is just overall more upgradable and popular. I was expecting and feel like a better list would be the tipx, m17, t15, 468 and hurricane
My t8.1 shoots at 30 joules which is about 2 foot pounds of power, broken bones, internal bleeding and stuff like that. With that said I wouldn't use it on a paintball field unless I tune down the power a little.
Just like Alabasterslim I love the t15 and the m17. I have both of them the only problem I have with the milsig is when you shoot first strike rounds and you get a misfire the air leaks.
you forgot the tacamo kits like the storm, blizzard, thunderbolt etc. I can only speak for the storm personally because that's what I own. it is so freaking durable it will blow your mind. it's basically a Tippmann 98 with a new shell though it is nice to have a magfed marker that works 100 percent of the time
Got a TGR1, love it and has been my main marker for nearly 2 years now. Would love to be able to find spare parts easier, not wanting to retire it due to one bad part. Oh well, working fine now.
Literally just getting back into this after 25 years, what is he referring to when he said the Tippmann TMC doesn't shoot 'first strikes'. What are first strikes?
How popular is magfed paintball catching on? Got out of paintball because it was all about Speedball. "Recreational" paintball was no longer in fashion it seemed. Was considering Airsoft, but too easy to cheat, plastic pellets don't wash away, and like paintball, not a fan of the 100 plus rounds. This is much closer to reality. Biggest exceptions being range and a sheet of plywood actually provides cover instead of concealment. This is something I can get into.
I'm in SoCal, and the majority of the fields here are mainly Woodsball. I never truly realized how amazing paintball is until I played magfed. It's so much more satisfying having to line up the perfect one shot, instead of slinging 40 balls praying one clips your target.
Kevin Sanders check out Socalpaintballmeetup.com for a great group of players that play at just about every park. Also, I play "outlaw" woodsball on the northern side of the valley of you every wanna come out.
Nothing by Rap4/MCS on this list made it a bummer, probably should have made it a top 10. Not to late of course to make another top 5 mag fed paintball guns video, just a suggestion.
The 468 is a great gun, but the price point makes it out of reach for a good amount of players which is why it isn't on this list. I mean you can buy a M17 with all the mags, accessories you need for under $600. The T15 a bit more but it has a lot of upgrades and features that justify its price better. The PTR 468 is $980 which is very high for the amount features you get.
How about: Tacamo Bolt Tacamo Blizzard 468/PTR I agree with the Tiberius/First Strike markers, but only if you have the money and are willing to drop $85 on a box of 250 FSR. I think a lot of people get into magfed because quality options are significantly cheaper. As for the TMC, I'd never recommend it to anyone. It's the Hi-Point of magfed; cheap but not great.
The tgr2 is so convenient, super smart design, and has a great feel to it. Doesn't feel like cheap plastic, and is reliable like a tippmann. Highly recommend. Wasn't a fan of the M17. But again it's completely up to the user of what fits their profile and play style. But take it from me, owner of one it's a great choice.
I've owned the Milsig cqc and the elite. I'm not sure which model you had, but honestly, I sold the cqc very shortly after buying it because the air efficiency was just terrible and the barrel...idk what they were thinking with the barrel. The elite is a great rifle though. You can make it through like five magazines off a 13ci and I've replaced all the polymer rails with real steel G36 ones. How's the accuracy of the Maxtact? I'll admit that the mags definitely look better given they went with the collarless design :)
The accuracy is great haven't try first strikes yet. But yeah I've had the same problem with my previous cqc. Had two and both leaked air brand new too. Returned those and got the tgr2 directly from manufacturers. Very nice guys there with bundle deals to get exactly what you want. Mags are great. Gun one in a blue moon jammed but that partly was because of double cocking the marker but an amazing gun for the price can't go wrong.
Ok, sweet. I'll definitely check it out in the future :) The M17 elite hasn't leaked air once on me so maybe I'm just lucky. If it could shoot like two more magazines, it'd be perfect, but that's mainly my only gripe about the rifle. Most, if not all barrel breaks and jams are a result of the magazines jamming (but it's mainly due to poor paint anyway, 99% of the time it works flawless) It's also accurate as hell.
I have the tipman m4 paintball gun, it jams and the mags don’t work, I’ll be sending it to Tipton this summer and see if they can’t fix it, it seems like a good gun but I think they just need to work on the mags
Cool. Anyone who argues is just giving an opinion. Imo, hurricane over m17. I know to many people with complaints about m17. Complaints about hurricane/mkpII are are rare
We knew when we made this we would be flooded with comments on "wtf why is this thing here and not this!?" and honestly that was kinda the reason it was a top 5 vid and not a top 10, we like the comment discussions. As for the hurricane, up in Canada they are exceptionally rare, so we just honestly had no idea how well they performed, and if we could even get one to do the video on. I'm for sure gonna check one out if I ever see it at a game.
I have the tmc. it's good for what it is. Any ideas, I am looking at going into a better magfed gun. why is the dye dam matrix so overpriced? what about the tiberous t15? or m17?
This video made me buy the M17 for my Animal Protection Agency We ordered RIOT BALLS. For when we have to STOP ANIMAL ATTACKS or when we have to put some sense into animal abusers. Also we keep 1 mag of paint and 1 mag of Riot. So if we to ID 1 specific attakcing animal Thank you
The T15 pretty much sucks out of the box. I had to get a dozen games in before I worked out the quirks, mostly because of poor reliability due to crappy magazines. But, with a little patience, testing and ghetto rigging it turns into a solid marker.
funny thing is I have the milsig m 17 which I've tried with the regular magazine and now have the novatech dmag magwell, and it doesn't work right compared to my spyder mr5 which is super reliable and also shots fs.
im with you, tank in stock makes the marker heavy and takes up room to collaps the stock for tighter cqb games. tank on the bak gives more weight distribution and often a larger tank for more games between fills.
It's kinda obvious that they don't have a sales contract with MCS as far as the 468 and Maxtact R-Series goes, but limiting the video to 3 brands is weak for a "non-bias" Top 5 list. Especially since there wasn't even any mention of runner ups
in my opinion it is a better woods ball gun than a mag fed gun, as it has a very limited magazine capacity (either 6r or 10r mags), which would be fine if you were mainly using the hopper and switching to the mags for first strikes if someone is far away. but if you were only going to use the mags then you would be reloading far too much for my liking.
they are actually the same size, but they are shaped like a bullet and have fins so they spin like a bullet. They are essentially shaped paintballs that fly a lot further than normal spherical paintballs.
Just out of curiosity, why did you not include the Tippman TCR? Any major issue/complaints? Out of all the mag fed paintball guns I've seen, it's been my favorite; just wanted to known your opinion (or anyone's for that matter).
Thomas Akins The TCR is just an upgraded Tipx with less customization. The TCR was my first paintball gun, and it was extremely hard on paint, and it was way too time consuming to take apart, due to the clamshell design, when you inevitably broke paint. I did love using it, but I prefer my Tipx over the TCR any day.
